Oddly enough a bunch of "Hardcore Punk" and Metalhead kids influenced by Jazz. I used to gig with them back in the DIY show days in Firehalls and basments
@@KelticKabukiGirl So, pretty accurate. Nice. That must've been ear-opening. I've been pretty obsessed with these guys since I discovered them post-break-up, and narrowly missed seeing them in Glasgow on their last tour. Still, though, it's taken me about a decade to appreciate the majority of their catalogue, so I wouldn't have enjoyed them THEN like I would now (please, Ben and Greg - sort out your differences and give it one more go. If it's shit, don't release it, though. We want you guys to go out on a {reasonable} high with Dissociation).
@@paulgreen2401 they are reuniting for Calculating Infinity with Dimitri in Brooklyn late June but I can't afford to go or find someone to go with me I'm in MD now. I am certain either Ben or their first guitarist used my Tubebworks Tweed 4x12 cab. A LOT of bands did, Unearth Definitely
@@paulgreen2401 also, Ben and I were both into Björk and Radiohead, as well as other electronic music, Jazz, Metal and Hardcore. My old band Since the Fall had similar stage presence and similar more Converge /Botch style stuff like them, we just were the first HC band to add 80s ballad intros mixed with Emo parts and added more melody than Dillinger as I was Very Iron Maiden and Carcass influenced, as well as Overcast. Who when on tour with Shadows Fall and we gigged with them I gave Mike the bassist our EP and CD, and was happy to have new music on tour. Then the first Killswitch Engage recordings came out and noticed we influenced him. We also got Unearth to go harder in the Metwl and melody after taking them on their first mini tour in like 99
Excellent point! I think I also need to get more "in the he zone" before tackling stuff like this in future. I don't know.. like short some Adderall or something. 😂
I lived in Nashville in the mid 2000s. Wore a Dillinger shirt to the grocery store and a guy in the deli line asked me if I liked the shirt or the music! Of course I said "the music" and he said okay then we went our separate ways.
man this record really blew my mind when it came out. I was a young guitarist and was mostly playing punk and metal and they turned what I thought the instrument could be upside down. This record really set the stage for a ton of copycats who never quite captured the magic. I still think my favorite records of theirs are Miss Machine and Ire Works because as time went on they worked in much more melodic and "traditional" songwriting. Their live shows of course were always as wild as you imagine. I first saw them in a small church in Kentucky and it was packed and the guitar players were jumping off of EVERYTHING and climbing the drop ceiling and people were losing their minds.
I know far too many guys that will straight up fight people for putting any DEP album ahead of Calculating Infinity. They're all wrong. Miss Machine, Ire Works, and Option Paralysis are all better albums, mostly because they refined the chaotic fury into something more musical and accessible. That's also probably the first time someone has called Miss Machine "accessible" lol.
Great reaction! Dillinger is definitely one of my fav bands ever, not only because of the chaotic energy but because they have such a unique sound and a wide range of songs. If you want to hear something a bit more "normal" (or harmonic) from them, I recommend Widower, Unretrofied, One of Us Is The Killer, or Mouth of Ghosts (my fav song from them). Milk Lizard is their most radio friendly song that still has that unique DEP dissonance. They have no bad albums, and especially Miss Machine and Ire Works are absolute gems from start to finish. 43% Burnt is without a doubt a great song, but it does not represent DEP as a whole, and for me it isn't even in their top 10 tracks.
Great! This is exactly the kind of comment I appreciate. This channel is guided by fans of the bands pointing me in different directions. I appreciate the info mate.
Watching people discover bands that I've loved for decades has become my new favorite thing. I get to live vicariously through them for that few minutes and it's as close as I'll get to experiencing it for myself that first time.
You nailed this summary really well and right off the bat. Interesting you picked up on the chip tune thing, Squarepusher and other electronic producers were a big influence on the main songwriter.
very rare to find a good "reaction" video with a creator that seems to actually care about what they are listening to, good job man! On the nuance thing i think the majority of listeners see the entire song as a build up to the breakdown hahah, definitely need to be in the right mood to listen to this stuff & the songs seem to click after repeat listens for me :)
It's interesting to me to hear you talk about the chaos of it all. I'm a fan of improv jazz and all sorts of crazy experimental music from some of the early industrial acts (Throbbing Gristle, Current 93) to "high art" like Philip Glass to noisecore (DEP and Melt Banana) to noise (like Merzbow). I've always said that with this sort of stuff there's beauty in the chaos. You've just got to let it take you over. I can understand how that's not for everyone, though.
I should probably clarify.. the chaos is an illusion. There is extraordinary amounts of order in this chaos. The timing, composition, and execution is stunningly clean. I think for me it's more interesting when focusing on the how! As I believe I said in the video, dissonance doesn't come naturally to me musically, so I find it fascinating. I really just need more exposure to this kind of chaos.
@@PrymalChaos Oh, of course it's an illusion. Even in a more...fundamental sense, as everything that exists within these tracks is planned. Someone has decided what to sounds to include or exclude, where they sit in the mix, and all sorts of production decisions that are over way my head. True randomness is a rare commodity in the universe. I wonder if that's the secret, or at least part of it? Since I'm not a musician I can't understand it in that way that someone with the musical know how can, so for me (and perhaps other laypersons like me) it's about letting it wash over me, letting the hidden structures reveal themselves? I dunno. Just spitballing. xD
I deliberately started you on this album to throw you a curve ball. At the time there was nothing remotely similar to this when it came out and if all the albums is by far the most “deliberate” written album that was hard to listen to for the average person. It’s also the only album with Dimitri on vocals who left after touring this album in early 2000. They then did an EP with Mike patton from faith no more before finding their permanent singer Greg who brang a very different angle You will be taken on a very different path listening to their catalogue Enjoy it!!!!!
Thanks Jay. Excellent recommendation. If I take anything away from this it will be their remarkable use of dissonance. I suspect that a lot of it is edgy intervals like minor seconds. It's really the only way to make something sound so disconnected. It's a bold choice and it seems to have generated an entire cottage industry of noise metal.
17:00 this part is ELBOWS lmao, pure elbows, concentrated, and its unstable, its very tongue in cheek, but also not at the same time its totally schizophrenic, its an assault and its amazing and the pits were great but not quite as dangerous as you might think, the ones I was in at Dillinger shows were "robust" but not dangerous, like smaller Ladies could survive the pit with a little assertion and bravery, but they were still pretty wild, but in a really kind of safe way lool Good pit is always more play fight than real fight IMO Also the nuance being "somewhat lost" is part of the fun, its music that expresses madness in a safe way , that's how I have always looked at the whole Mathcore scene to be honest. Its the musical equivalent of punching a pillow, or in this case elbow dropping the pillow , and then punting the pillow across the room with your foot, to stretch the metaphor (I saw them in the UK in 2000 and 2003)
@@PrymalChaos I first heard this not long after the album came out. I was like 16ish at the time, 38 now. But I was in the metal section of the cd store at my local mall and one of the employees, never met this dude before, ran almost full speed over to me and says “have you heard the Dillinger escape plan?” And when I said no he ran to the back room and got his discman out of his locker and proceeded to play it for me in the middle of the store. I’ve been hooked ever since. I’ve been fortunate enough to see them twice, incredible.
Please check out One Of Us Is The Killer by these guys or Farewell, Mona Lisa. I promise you won’t be let down. One Of Us is the absolute antithesis to this and it’s phenomenal.
Also since you mentioned their live shows, watch literally anything live from them. I saw them a bunch of times over basically a decade and they always played at 11. They just didn’t have another gear
Take a jazz band , plug them into Dual rectifiers, ...now kick them down the stairs, but press record= Dillinger Escape Plan Calculating Infinity era......and fucking I love it!!!
Regard 16:05, screaming was well understood in 1999 when this album came out. Listen to any contemporary bands from the time and all the screaming vocals are very different from each other because there wasn't a great understanding of technique. It's cool that we've got fry and false chord screams so well understood now, but I kinda miss the surprise of finding a band with screams that were their own thing.
You can laugh at your friend for making all that effort to see the Dillinger Escape Plan but they are by far one of the greatest bands that I have ever seen live. No frills, no nonsense, just purely brilliant music and intensity. I’d have made more of an effort to have seen them more, I only ever saw them twice, than I did.
This song belongs to the Calculating Infinity album, their first LP. It is the most experimental and influential. For older fans, this is definitely their best work. After this, they changed singer and became more accessible (but still crazy).
Greg added more melodic singing but he is a banshee like Dimitri still. He was a massive fan of the band when Dimitri left to become a visual artist and Dimitri continued to do all their album art. The band used 43% Burnt to test new singers and they closed every show with it until their last, which I attended.
I really think their self titled ep that came out before this is one of the best fifteen minutes of music created. Really different and energetic and insane. So cool.
They were one of the first hardcore bands to get labeled mathcore, yes. There were mathcore bands prior to Dillinger (Deadguy, Coalesce, for example), but Dillinger took the genre to the next level.
they were one of the main forerunner of it but they didnt create it. bands like coalesce, botch, deadguy and even converge was doing the chaotic hardcore a bit before dilinger
I just stumbled on this waaaay after you posted it, but you asked "What chord is that?" We used to call it a creepy chord, I think nowadays it's called an alarm clock chord. It's just a half step dyad. Quite the finger stretcher.
Haha thanks mate. I can barely remember this video now, it was quite a while ago, but I can't believe I had the audacity to pick up my guitar on this one! 😆😆
Haha yessss, I thought this was cool as hell when I first heard it. The spicy dissonance is definitely part of the appeal to me, that intro/outro is great - it's just minor 2nds on both guitars as far as I know, lots of interference there. I like noise bands though! I don't think you came across as dismissive at all, it's a lot to take in and it's extremely abrasive, being open to more seems like it piqued your curiosity anyway This is definitely a song that you get more out of the more you listen to it - it sounds chaotic at first, but then you notice the guitars and drums and absolutely locked in, and all playing the same rhythmic patterns. The drums aren't playing a beat, they're sorta playing accents, and the groove is in how they repeat and the flow changes. I feel like the song's more about dynamics than anything. They definitely got more melodic and even traditional in their songwriting later, but this is like a distillation of a concept around rhythm and dissonance and how you can build a song that seems to break all the rules, but still ends up working. Well, if you don't end up hating it!
See.. everything that you just said should have been exactly how I expressed myself. That is a perfect analysis. 😂. It's what I would have said if I was able to shake off the absolute punch in the face.
@@PrymalChaos haha thanks, well I heard it around when it came out, I've had time to digest it! I felt like you were starting to process it more though? Like right at the beginning you looked like you were hearing non-stop blast beats, by the end it was like "hmm!" I reckon you'll enjoy the later stuff though
drop c and the high e a half octave from b? i think thats how tuned for my highschool grindcore band based of them and between the buried and me and evergreen terace
When you said "what chord is that?" It's just hitting like 20th on g string and 17th fret on b string, essentially playing a note and its sharp at the same time for dissonance. (you can leave your high e and d string ring out on this chord). iirc it's just that and low e on the opening riff
Ahh yes. The minor second chaos. I have tried several times to use it in my own music, but I can never get it to sound anything other than bad. It’s used in metalcore fairly frequently. Especially in short lead runs.
I saw The Dillinger Escape Plan back in 2008 when they were touring with Killswitch Engage. I hadn't heard of them before then but they put on a hell of a show!
I gigged with Dillinger and the bassist and founder of Killswitch when he was still in Overcast. He had our 98 Demo😅 Very happy to have new music in the van! (Pre MP3)
Can attest that the mosh pits at Dillinger shows were wild back in the day. Hardcore dancing, fists swinging, spinkicks, people launching themselves into the crowd wrestling style, stagediving. The band themselves would go crazy too, swinging guitars like weapons. Once, I saw them in a small venue in Philly and the guitarist, having a wireless setup, jumped off the stage, into the mosh pit for a hot second, and then stormed to the back of the room, jumped up on the merch table, and started thrashing around, playing all these chaotic riffs the whole time. Really great live band. Sadly, they broke up a few years back, but hey, they had a 20-year run and pioneered the genre of mathcore. True musical innovators.
I so wish that EP was remixed and remastered, closely to the original dynamic and balance, but adding some clarity through Equalising. I think that would open the EP up, but also give people an insight to the complexities and I think that would gain wider acclaim as an effect of this.
Actually, I have been playing that chord since I firsr heard Converge, high gain Mesa Boogie dissonant chords. My hand Naturally goes to that chord now
Search some live videos. They fucking hurled around, breathed fire and there was a good chance the venue would be severely damaged. They also didn't muss a note. It's fucked.
Cool reaction. These guys were a lot of connected to the hardcore punk scene in the early days than the metal scene. If you wanna hear where chaotic mathcore bands like Dillinger, Converge, and Botch got their inspiration react to the song Pins and Needles by Deadguy.
They did evolve into a band that played more accessible and conventional arrangements / song structures, but still kept making music like this song too-the albums became a mix of of maybe 70% like this and 30% more conventional, but even with the more straight forward tunes there would usually be sections where the time signature was a little odd/off- this song is one of their most twisty turny tracks, every album had one or two like this but even though a lot of their stuff was similar to this they did have less changes/transitions but still more than most bands..if that makes sense..
it is not a noise, it is disharmonic and chromatic music, probably your ear is just not used to listening such music. And you are wrong, there are scales, not "all the notes", atleast in majority of times
When they play 43% Burnt live the band goes crazy the in overdrive and the crowd goes from crazy to insane. There are some videos of them live on UA-cam that capture this
Should have been at eye level playing with them in basment shows with Dimitri screaming in your face with his finger in your face. And yes, they change alll the time
0:45 - Impirant to me as well, although I was MUUUUCH closer to NY, I still did all I could to make sure I could grab tickets and go. I recorded a bunch and edited a lot of other peoples angles too. ua-cam.com/video/eKqcqDNoyFQ/v-deo.html
You mentioned that it sounds glitchy and electronic. What's funny about that is they did a cover of Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" with Mike Patton of Faith No More and Mr. Bungle. Here's a video of their drummer, Chris Pennie, playing along to that song at some sort of drum seminary. ua-cam.com/video/Pxhz3YU0s6I/v-deo.html
@@henksaenen1662 this is definitely N issue that I have worked on since this video. It drives me crazy. You don’t realise how much you do it until you watch it back. I’m heaps better now, but also I edit my videos to clean them up more. The secret is to be really deliberate about what you’re saying.
Uh, they know the timing they are playing in. And their fans know how intricate this music is. Stop selling people short and stop being condescending. You come across VERY condescending.
“Contemporary Jazz Musicians possessed by Demons….” Acurate.
Oddly enough a bunch of "Hardcore Punk" and Metalhead kids influenced by Jazz. I used to gig with them back in the DIY show days in Firehalls and basments
Best and only description of what the Dillinger escape plan was/is? 🙏🏻
@@KelticKabukiGirl So, pretty accurate.
Nice. That must've been ear-opening.
I've been pretty obsessed with these guys since I discovered them post-break-up, and narrowly missed seeing them in Glasgow on their last tour. Still, though, it's taken me about a decade to appreciate the majority of their catalogue, so I wouldn't have enjoyed them THEN like I would now (please, Ben and Greg - sort out your differences and give it one more go. If it's shit, don't release it, though. We want you guys to go out on a {reasonable} high with Dissociation).
@@paulgreen2401 they are reuniting for Calculating Infinity with Dimitri in Brooklyn late June but I can't afford to go or find someone to go with me I'm in MD now. I am certain either Ben or their first guitarist used my Tubebworks Tweed 4x12 cab. A LOT of bands did, Unearth Definitely
@@paulgreen2401 also, Ben and I were both into Björk and Radiohead, as well as other electronic music, Jazz, Metal and Hardcore. My old band Since the Fall had similar stage presence and similar more Converge /Botch style stuff like them, we just were the first HC band to add 80s ballad intros mixed with Emo parts and added more melody than Dillinger as I was Very Iron Maiden and Carcass influenced, as well as Overcast. Who when on tour with Shadows Fall and we gigged with them I gave Mike the bassist our EP and CD, and was happy to have new music on tour. Then the first Killswitch Engage recordings came out and noticed we influenced him. We also got Unearth to go harder in the Metwl and melody after taking them on their first mini tour in like 99
Don't forget... repeated listens cure you of the 'chaos' feeling!
Excellent point! I think I also need to get more "in the he zone" before tackling stuff like this in future. I don't know.. like short some Adderall or something. 😂
I lived in Nashville in the mid 2000s. Wore a Dillinger shirt to the grocery store and a guy in the deli line asked me if I liked the shirt or the music! Of course I said "the music" and he said okay then we went our separate ways.
man this record really blew my mind when it came out. I was a young guitarist and was mostly playing punk and metal and they turned what I thought the instrument could be upside down. This record really set the stage for a ton of copycats who never quite captured the magic. I still think my favorite records of theirs are Miss Machine and Ire Works because as time went on they worked in much more melodic and "traditional" songwriting. Their live shows of course were always as wild as you imagine. I first saw them in a small church in Kentucky and it was packed and the guitar players were jumping off of EVERYTHING and climbing the drop ceiling and people were losing their minds.
If this song is anything to go by, it seems like they not only threw out the rule book, they wrote a new book where up is down and black is white.
Yeah dude! Miss Machine is still to this day one of my favorite albums of all time!
I know far too many guys that will straight up fight people for putting any DEP album ahead of Calculating Infinity. They're all wrong. Miss Machine, Ire Works, and Option Paralysis are all better albums, mostly because they refined the chaotic fury into something more musical and accessible. That's also probably the first time someone has called Miss Machine "accessible" lol.
@@dustinglasier6417 they're all good but I think option paralysis was peak dep
Great reaction! Dillinger is definitely one of my fav bands ever, not only because of the chaotic energy but because they have such a unique sound and a wide range of songs. If you want to hear something a bit more "normal" (or harmonic) from them, I recommend Widower, Unretrofied, One of Us Is The Killer, or Mouth of Ghosts (my fav song from them). Milk Lizard is their most radio friendly song that still has that unique DEP dissonance. They have no bad albums, and especially Miss Machine and Ire Works are absolute gems from start to finish. 43% Burnt is without a doubt a great song, but it does not represent DEP as a whole, and for me it isn't even in their top 10 tracks.
Great! This is exactly the kind of comment I appreciate. This channel is guided by fans of the bands pointing me in different directions. I appreciate the info mate.
Wanna know what they were like pre Relapse? I used to gig with them and a lot.of other big NWOAHM bands
Watching people discover bands that I've loved for decades has become my new favorite thing.
I get to live vicariously through them for that few minutes and it's as close as I'll get to experiencing it for myself that first time.
Their best was late ‘98 up through the Mike Patton era. So good!
I heard Dillinger Escape Plan described as "If Rush *angrily* did everything wrong. On purpose." I think that kinda fits.
Hahaha. YES!
They're actually pretty decent and the groove aspect of the metal/hardcore sound when they use it. Milk lizard is the first song that comes to mind.
I drove halfway across the country for those farewell shows!
Seems these guys have that effect. 😆🤘
I flew in, went to the last last show, went to the airport and slept until my flight home in the morning.
Seeing 43% burnt live is an out of body experience. I’ve seen the 5 times in my life. Everytime was the best and most violent show ever
Love watching people react to this nutty album. Should listen to the rest of it dude, it slaps hard!
You nailed this summary really well and right off the bat. Interesting you picked up on the chip tune thing, Squarepusher and other electronic producers were a big influence on the main songwriter.
Oh nice! Yeah there’s a certain chaos to that music and you can get it translated here.
very rare to find a good "reaction" video with a creator that seems to actually care about what they are listening to, good job man! On the nuance thing i think the majority of listeners see the entire song as a build up to the breakdown hahah, definitely need to be in the right mood to listen to this stuff & the songs seem to click after repeat listens for me :)
Thanks mate! That's nice of you to say. I really have to check back in with these guys and get bamboozled again. 😆😆
It's interesting to me to hear you talk about the chaos of it all. I'm a fan of improv jazz and all sorts of crazy experimental music from some of the early industrial acts (Throbbing Gristle, Current 93) to "high art" like Philip Glass to noisecore (DEP and Melt Banana) to noise (like Merzbow). I've always said that with this sort of stuff there's beauty in the chaos. You've just got to let it take you over. I can understand how that's not for everyone, though.
I should probably clarify.. the chaos is an illusion. There is extraordinary amounts of order in this chaos. The timing, composition, and execution is stunningly clean.
I think for me it's more interesting when focusing on the how! As I believe I said in the video, dissonance doesn't come naturally to me musically, so I find it fascinating. I really just need more exposure to this kind of chaos.
@@PrymalChaos Oh, of course it's an illusion. Even in a more...fundamental sense, as everything that exists within these tracks is planned. Someone has decided what to sounds to include or exclude, where they sit in the mix, and all sorts of production decisions that are over way my head. True randomness is a rare commodity in the universe.
I wonder if that's the secret, or at least part of it? Since I'm not a musician I can't understand it in that way that someone with the musical know how can, so for me (and perhaps other laypersons like me) it's about letting it wash over me, letting the hidden structures reveal themselves?
I dunno. Just spitballing. xD
melt banana. A man of good taste I see.
You may like a Spanish band called Ensaladilla Rusa. I am sure you have not heard anything like it. Their only album is called Coleopteros.
I deliberately started you on this album to throw you a curve ball. At the time there was nothing remotely similar to this when it came out and if all the albums is by far the most “deliberate” written album that was hard to listen to for the average person. It’s also the only album with Dimitri on vocals who left after touring this album in early 2000. They then did an EP with Mike patton from faith no more before finding their permanent singer Greg who brang a very different angle
You will be taken on a very different path listening to their catalogue
Enjoy it!!!!!
Thanks Jay. Excellent recommendation. If I take anything away from this it will be their remarkable use of dissonance. I suspect that a lot of it is edgy intervals like minor seconds. It's really the only way to make something sound so disconnected. It's a bold choice and it seems to have generated an entire cottage industry of noise metal.
remotely similar... candiria
Hey Jay, what's the name of your band?
@@Noah-wo2ov album still in the works but the band is called Body Become Traitor and should have a release later this year
17:00 this part is ELBOWS lmao, pure elbows, concentrated, and its unstable, its very tongue in cheek, but also not at the same time its totally schizophrenic, its an assault and its amazing and the pits were great but not quite as dangerous as you might think, the ones I was in at Dillinger shows were "robust" but not dangerous, like smaller Ladies could survive the pit with a little assertion and bravery, but they were still pretty wild, but in a really kind of safe way lool Good pit is always more play fight than real fight IMO
Also the nuance being "somewhat lost" is part of the fun, its music that expresses madness in a safe way , that's how I have always looked at the whole Mathcore scene to be honest. Its the musical equivalent of punching a pillow, or in this case elbow dropping the pillow , and then punting the pillow across the room with your foot, to stretch the metaphor
(I saw them in the UK in 2000 and 2003)
Awesome analogy 🔥
This was a truly amazing album. It transcended music theory
That is the best first time reaction I’ve seen to this era of Dillinger ever.
My head was spinning. 😆😆
@@PrymalChaos I first heard this not long after the album came out. I was like 16ish at the time, 38 now. But I was in the metal section of the cd store at my local mall and one of the employees, never met this dude before, ran almost full speed over to me and says “have you heard the Dillinger escape plan?” And when I said no he ran to the back room and got his discman out of his locker and proceeded to play it for me in the middle of the store. I’ve been hooked ever since. I’ve been fortunate enough to see them twice, incredible.
Totally agree with the rawness of the screaming
It’s brutal. I can almost feel it in my throat.
Always enjoyed Dimitri Minakakis who was the original singer.
I was surprised when i found out. it was in standard tuning. 😂
Please check out One Of Us Is The Killer by these guys or Farewell, Mona Lisa. I promise you won’t be let down. One Of Us is the absolute antithesis to this and it’s phenomenal.
Also since you mentioned their live shows, watch literally anything live from them. I saw them a bunch of times over basically a decade and they always played at 11. They just didn’t have another gear
It's a shame I found them too late.
Take a jazz band , plug them into Dual rectifiers, ...now kick them down the stairs, but press record= Dillinger Escape Plan Calculating Infinity era......and fucking I love it!!!
10/10 analogy.
This has tons of syncopated groove. It’s definitely dissonant but rhythm wise it’s controlled chaos and fully repeatable.
I love watching people react/analyze this song. Yours is the best one I've seen, though!
NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE! WUMP WUMP!
Regard 16:05, screaming was well understood in 1999 when this album came out. Listen to any contemporary bands from the time and all the screaming vocals are very different from each other because there wasn't a great understanding of technique. It's cool that we've got fry and false chord screams so well understood now, but I kinda miss the surprise of finding a band with screams that were their own thing.
You can laugh at your friend for making all that effort to see the Dillinger Escape Plan but they are by far one of the greatest bands that I have ever seen live. No frills, no nonsense, just purely brilliant music and intensity. I’d have made more of an effort to have seen them more, I only ever saw them twice, than I did.
The Tritone my man. Learn to love it if you’re going to listen to Dillinger.
This song belongs to the Calculating Infinity album, their first LP. It is the most experimental and influential. For older fans, this is definitely their best work. After this, they changed singer and became more accessible (but still crazy).
I think my head is still spinning from this reaction. 😭😂😂
Greg added more melodic singing but he is a banshee like Dimitri still. He was a massive fan of the band when Dimitri left to become a visual artist and Dimitri continued to do all their album art. The band used 43% Burnt to test new singers and they closed every show with it until their last, which I attended.
I really think their self titled ep that came out before this is one of the best fifteen minutes of music created.
Really different and energetic and insane. So cool.
were DEP responsible for Mathcore? ... I know that's where I saw more "hard core dancing" than your typical mosh pit.
You'd have to assume they had a fair amount to do with it.
They were one of the first hardcore bands to get labeled mathcore, yes. There were mathcore bands prior to Dillinger (Deadguy, Coalesce, for example), but Dillinger took the genre to the next level.
they were one of the main forerunner of it but they didnt create it. bands like coalesce, botch, deadguy and even converge was doing the chaotic hardcore a bit before dilinger
I just stumbled on this waaaay after you posted it, but you asked "What chord is that?" We used to call it a creepy chord, I think nowadays it's called an alarm clock chord. It's just a half step dyad. Quite the finger stretcher.
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When you picked up a guitar and tried.. best reaction video. Most just bob there head and go ohhh ok.. Got a sub.
Haha thanks mate. I can barely remember this video now, it was quite a while ago, but I can't believe I had the audacity to pick up my guitar on this one! 😆😆
Haha yessss, I thought this was cool as hell when I first heard it. The spicy dissonance is definitely part of the appeal to me, that intro/outro is great - it's just minor 2nds on both guitars as far as I know, lots of interference there. I like noise bands though! I don't think you came across as dismissive at all, it's a lot to take in and it's extremely abrasive, being open to more seems like it piqued your curiosity anyway
This is definitely a song that you get more out of the more you listen to it - it sounds chaotic at first, but then you notice the guitars and drums and absolutely locked in, and all playing the same rhythmic patterns. The drums aren't playing a beat, they're sorta playing accents, and the groove is in how they repeat and the flow changes. I feel like the song's more about dynamics than anything. They definitely got more melodic and even traditional in their songwriting later, but this is like a distillation of a concept around rhythm and dissonance and how you can build a song that seems to break all the rules, but still ends up working. Well, if you don't end up hating it!
See.. everything that you just said should have been exactly how I expressed myself. That is a perfect analysis. 😂. It's what I would have said if I was able to shake off the absolute punch in the face.
@@PrymalChaos haha thanks, well I heard it around when it came out, I've had time to digest it! I felt like you were starting to process it more though? Like right at the beginning you looked like you were hearing non-stop blast beats, by the end it was like "hmm!" I reckon you'll enjoy the later stuff though
drop c and the high e a half octave from b? i think thats how tuned for my highschool grindcore band based of them and between the buried and me and evergreen terace
When you said "what chord is that?"
It's just hitting like 20th on g string and 17th fret on b string, essentially playing a note and its sharp at the same time for dissonance. (you can leave your high e and d string ring out on this chord). iirc it's just that and low e on the opening riff
Ahh yes. The minor second chaos. I have tried several times to use it in my own music, but I can never get it to sound anything other than bad. It’s used in metalcore fairly frequently. Especially in short lead runs.
Dissociation is the best
They did have some catchy and melodic tracks later on in their every record (like Unretrofied on the follow-up album). Awesome band.
I saw The Dillinger Escape Plan back in 2008 when they were touring with Killswitch Engage. I hadn't heard of them before then but they put on a hell of a show!
Yeah I heard it's a sight to behold.
I gigged with Dillinger and the bassist and founder of Killswitch when he was still in Overcast. He had our 98 Demo😅 Very happy to have new music in the van! (Pre MP3)
Calculating Infinty is an excellent album
Can attest that the mosh pits at Dillinger shows were wild back in the day. Hardcore dancing, fists swinging, spinkicks, people launching themselves into the crowd wrestling style, stagediving. The band themselves would go crazy too, swinging guitars like weapons. Once, I saw them in a small venue in Philly and the guitarist, having a wireless setup, jumped off the stage, into the mosh pit for a hot second, and then stormed to the back of the room, jumped up on the merch table, and started thrashing around, playing all these chaotic riffs the whole time. Really great live band. Sadly, they broke up a few years back, but hey, they had a 20-year run and pioneered the genre of mathcore. True musical innovators.
13:06 while super distorted, i think it's the minor 2nd's/9th's that really contribute to the edge in those chords
also the intro/outro is mad groovy imho!
That’ll do it every time! 😁
Please listen to Sunshine the Werewolf!
It’s like jazz death punk metal
This song is an adrenaline rush
"I wonder how they handle this live. You can't do fade outs live"
LMAO
Highly recommended the e.p the did with Mike Patton on vocals. They do an aphex twin cover which falls into your electronic music reference.
I so wish that EP was remixed and remastered, closely to the original dynamic and balance, but adding some clarity through Equalising. I think that would open the EP up, but also give people an insight to the complexities and I think that would gain wider acclaim as an effect of this.
kenny fucking powers
The live fade out is destroying their instruments.
😂
@@PrymalChaosit's sounds like a joke yet it's true lmao
Actually, I have been playing that chord since I firsr heard Converge, high gain Mesa Boogie dissonant chords. My hand Naturally goes to that chord now
Glad I’m not the only one lol.
Search some live videos. They fucking hurled around, breathed fire and there was a good chance the venue would be severely damaged. They also didn't muss a note. It's fucked.
at 9:15, he gets it.
Cool reaction. These guys were a lot of connected to the hardcore punk scene in the early days than the metal scene. If you wanna hear where chaotic mathcore bands like Dillinger, Converge, and Botch got their inspiration react to the song Pins and Needles by Deadguy.
my favorite genre, Rough Jazz
😂
I saw something the other day where Ben was saying that Dillinger was his attempt to out Deadguy Deadguy.
getting old I found out that this song is one of the fews I use to "explain" that no, We're not gonna be friends.
_I was waiting for a rational point to stop, but it doesn't appear there's gonna be one_
Yes. So. Much. Yes.
😂
The guitars here are just tritones, misplaced octaves, and half-step harmonies.
Right, so all the "tasty" stuff.
@@PrymalChaos Tasty indeed.
They did evolve into a band that played more accessible and conventional arrangements / song structures, but still kept making music like this song too-the albums became a mix of of maybe 70% like this and 30% more conventional, but even with the more straight forward tunes there would usually be sections where the time signature was a little odd/off- this song is one of their most twisty turny tracks, every album had one or two like this but even though a lot of their stuff was similar to this they did have less changes/transitions but still more than most bands..if that makes sense..
In order to get that sound play a tri tone as high as you can while playing something funky and jazzy
Almost forgot.. turn everything up to 11
it is not a noise, it is disharmonic and chromatic music, probably your ear is just not used to listening such music.
And you are wrong, there are scales, not "all the notes", atleast in majority of times
When they play 43% Burnt live the band goes crazy the in overdrive and the crowd goes from crazy to insane. There are some videos of them live on UA-cam that capture this
We were all kinda just ripping off Converge really😅
That whole album and Miss Machine is insane. Well all their albums are really lol
Should have been at eye level playing with them in basment shows with Dimitri screaming in your face with his finger in your face. And yes, they change alll the time
im a savage??? :,,>?
0:45 - Impirant to me as well, although I was MUUUUCH closer to NY, I still did all I could to make sure I could grab tickets and go. I recorded a bunch and edited a lot of other peoples angles too. ua-cam.com/video/eKqcqDNoyFQ/v-deo.html
You mentioned that it sounds glitchy and electronic. What's funny about that is they did a cover of Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" with Mike Patton of Faith No More and Mr. Bungle.
Here's a video of their drummer, Chris Pennie, playing along to that song at some sort of drum seminary. ua-cam.com/video/Pxhz3YU0s6I/v-deo.html
When playing live they close it out by destroying the set and setting it all on fire. You need to react to more TDIP.
After that intro from you, i'd recommend Widower from them 😉👋
I REALLY HOPE YOU ARE ALSO READING THE LYRICS!!?!!?!?!?!
Academic analysis doesn't metäl
I've heard that their drummer went to Guillard
That makes sense.
which one
@@ryan1840 Yeah, they had 3, all of them equally great.
this album ruined it all for any bands attempting something similar after
Great video! Please listen to / react to more from TDEP! Studio, live, all of it! Their sound expanded throughout the years. They were amazing! 🤘🏼
Brother trust me ur friends flight was worth it
Nice!
@@PrymalChaos also a great band to check out would be glassjaw they're first album especially is what led my taste to bands like dillinger.
@@PrymalChaos its chaotic but also has some of the most beautiful melodies i think exist
watch your uhms! otherwise a good review ;)
@@henksaenen1662 this is definitely N issue that I have worked on since this video. It drives me crazy. You don’t realise how much you do it until you watch it back. I’m heaps better now, but also I edit my videos to clean them up more.
The secret is to be really deliberate about what you’re saying.
Right when the breakdown hits, you talk over it. Also, everything you assessed about this song is totally not accurate.
Uh, they know the timing they are playing in. And their fans know how intricate this music is. Stop selling people short and stop being condescending. You come across VERY condescending.