Composer/Musician Reacts to The Dillinger Escape Plan - Farewell, Mona Lisa
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2020
- Bryan reacts to and talks about his thoughts on "Farewell, Mona Lisa" Official Music Video - The Dillinger Escape Plan - OPTION PARALYSIS
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Mona Lisa = Calculating Infinity (their first album). A lot of people saw the album as a masterpiece and wanted every other album to be just like it, spastic and nonstop screaming from top to bottom. The thing was that they had a vocalist change, the one in the video, after the first album and his voice was a lot different than the first guy. Along with that, the band itself started to experiment with different styles in their next 2 albums, such as adding more melodic parts and singing which a lot of their original fans didn't like. So when they came out with Farewell, Mona Lisa, the first track in their 4th album, it was their way of saying that they were walking away from that "masterpiece" in order to avoid turning into a "one trick pony" band whether the original fans liked it or not.
Came here to say this. Tons of scene kids pushing back on them for trying to step out and move forward. This is a HxC version of a diss track.
This and ALL of it.
I mean if you really like Calculating Infinity, you should listen also to Calculating Calculating Infinity, an AI Album based of Calculating Infinity.
exactly, i love Calculating infinity very much, but the band did a right choice moving away from it and adding more elements and creativity into music.
p.s. That said, i would really love to hear Calculating Infinity re-recorded and with modern mixing, it would be a bomb.
@@meatstaxxx TDEP's "Hooker With A Penis" if you will.
Dillinger (with Mike Patton) - when good dogs do bad things
I need to give that one another chance. I adore DEP and Patton, but for some reason it doesn't jibe with me. It's my least favorite Dillinger record. Another spin though is warranted.
@@ryanbrown3004 Weird. Was a huge patton fan and that EP was the only thing I cared for by DEP at the time (eventually came to love them though).
Probably their best song.
@@ryanbrown3004 I'm going to do the same, I had exactly the same thought it's been a good few years since i've given it a chance!
Mona Lisa refers to art in general and how experimental art, in music especially, seemingly isnt encourage. Instead just put out music that will chart well and get played on the radio, imo. Paranoia Shield is one of my all time favorites
Thats exactly what it's about, and Paranoia Shields is my favorite song from Dillinger!
absolutely spot on
I love Paranoid Shields, Hero of the Soviet Union, Gold teeth on a bumb, Nothing to forget, Crossburner.. and many more by them.
I saw they're last show at Terminal 5? I believe that's the name of the place, its a venue in Manhattan, New York City. Anyway, wow, what an emotional show that was for me and every other fan in there. I'm truly going to miss them for the rest of my life.
The little bit that I have read into it is that this song was a bit of a middle finger to the gatekeepers and critics, as DEP changed vocalists between Calculating Infinity and Option Paralysis, and Greg was making a statement about "say Farewell to 43% Burnt (a masterpiece), and enjoy the art that we put out as a band moving forward".
If you'd like to get to know them better, you have to know that they are a band that writes *albums* rather than *songs*.
Their material is best appreciated by listening to an entire album front to back.
The album "Ire Works" (2007) is a good place to start, imo.
It's a very diverse album. There's metal, electronica, jazz, utter chaos... Many influences making up an entirely unique listening experience. Give it a shot some time. :)
Ire Works is still my favorite album from these guys. I got into them on Irony Is a Dead Scene but stopped paying attention until Ire Works came out and drew me back in.
Derick Cunningham Aw man, am I the ONLY Dillinger fan who loves Under the Running Board and Calculating Infinity more than their later releases? There’s just SO much good music crammed into that EP and LP!
@@trowabarton222 Ire Works is also my favorite, although I love all TDEP. Gil Sharone is a genius..then along came Rymer. Truly fantastic musicians, all of them.
Dillinger! Nice! They're an auditory juggernaut.
"Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants" is a little less chaotic and more melodic. I'm almost certain you would enjoy it. Cheers
Great song. He would also enjoy One of us is the killer, Widower, Mouth of Ghosts, Milk Lizard or Black Bubblegum (just to name a few of their more accessible songs).
43% Burnt as well if not for nothing other than the breakdown
That’s the only Dillinger song I can’t stand
@@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 Bad luck
@@PlugInKali Milk Lizard is a certified fucking bop
They’re just pure math core and pioneers in the genre. I think 43% burnt had 98 time signature changes. Every bar had a different time from the previous one. 😅
Dillinger are GOAT. Sunshine the werewolf. Prancer. Limerent Death.
Check out Every Time I Die if you never have!
Dillinger's not GOAT, Polyphia is. 🤣
I'll see my way out.....
@@CriticalReactions yeah you do that mate 😏
SUNSHINE THE WEREWOLF!! that "DESTROYYYEEERRRR!!" breakdown is still giving me goosebumps
Continue with Converge - "All We Love We Leave Behind" or Daughters - "The Hit"
Something off of "Jane Doe" and "You Won't Get What You Want" would be better picks, given that those are each respective band's best records.
All We Love We Leave Behind is fucking amazing, and I'm not even really into Converge like that.
@@alondite215 More well known doens't mean the best. Anyways i don't mean to throw shit at YWGWYW because I love that album but in any case " Hell Songs " is for sure their superior album. Untouchable and impossible to replicate.
@@thatsprettylunchean I didn't say they were the most well known, I said they were their best.
Yes and yes. I love introducing daughters to my friends and watching their reaction.
One of the originators of "jazz-core". This track was after they started to mellow out a bit hehe. Their live shows were organized chaos and intensity from beginning to end.
They were between vocalists at one point and recorded a 4 track e.p with Mike Patton from faith no more. Which turned out to be something of a statement of intent from them. And showed what a monster Patton is when he really let's rip.
I keep seeing his name pop up with so many different bands. We might just need to do a Mike Patton week where I check out a different band that he sang for every day.
Critical Reactions You already did a Mr. Bungle track, if I remember correctly. 😊
@@CriticalReactions that would be an interesting week to say the least. Considering the guy has done everything from Italian crooner type stuff to hip hop.
Been waiting for this one, one of my all time favorite bands. Also was able to catch these guys live during their farewell tour and I doubt I'll ever experience a live show like that again in my life :) Their albums have jazz and latin elements, beautiful piano and string sections, clean vocals & electronic instruments. And as a drummer, I obviously love what they've created rhythmically :)
BUT Dillinger is definitely a band that needs more listening to get into. It took me years from when I first listened to few songs suggested by my friends from them, to slowly start to get what they are doing :)
Definitely do Car Bomb soon! It's an incredibly interesting band. I'd suggest something from Meta, like From The Dust of This Planet or Secrets within Secrets.
I personally felt the same way about "not being able to listen to this all the time" when I first listened to them, but there's something magical about their sound that just makes you grow used to it really fast without even realizing. Funnily enough I had a harder time getting into their more melodic albums than the more violent ones.
Niiice. If you think this is interesting you'd definitely love Car Bomb
I was asking about Car Bomb a while ago, there also go really heavy but it's incredibly technic and math, a lot of complexity!!
Oh man Car Bomb has been at the top of my playlist for about the last four years, hahaha. All of their albums are an incredible, unique experience, but I’d have to say that my favorite would be either Centralia or Mordial. Hey Brian, if you see this comment, check out the song “Best Intentions” off of Centralia, or the song “Naked Fuse” off of Mordial :)
Car bomb this is one of his most requested band
Car Bomb, He's going to shit his pants!!
Def carbomb!
15 years from when i first heard this band and they are still my number #1 band, i miss them so much.
p.s. i agree with you this band is hard to get into, but if will, you will never go back, there's so much creative nuanced stuff in their discography. People just never gave them a chance, because their music is just too harsh and extreme. But if you dig in it, after awhile it doesn't sound too extreme anymore, just in a right spot and just enjoying great dissonant tapping patterns, polirhytms, great composing(one of the best in metal IMO) and great vocal performance.
One of the few albums that gives me chills every time I listen to it. The intro guitar part of this tune gets me so hyped for what's to come!
Thanks for doing this video. I haven't listened to Dillinger for a bit and this was a good excuse to check them out again.
The more melodic side of this band can definitely be heard in the songs Unretrofied, Black Bubblegum, Dead as History, Widower, One of Us is the Killer, When I lost my Bet, Dissociation, and a few others.
And another reaction i am totally excited about. It took me some time to get used to these guys, but when it clicked, a whole journey started. The moment I fell in love with their music was when I heard their collaboration with Mike Patton (yep, this guy again!). I recommend the albums “Ire Works”, “One Of Us is the Killer”, and “Option Paralysis” (where this song you have listened to is on. Man, check out “Gold Teeth on a Bum”, “Widower”, or “Parasitic Twins”). “Miss Machine” and “Calculating Infinity” are fantastic as well, but might be a little too chaotic. The ones I have mentioned will slowly introduce you to their essence. Trust me, you won’t regret it. Cool content, man. I’m glad I subscribed
Mike Patton keeps popping up everywhere. At this point I'm convinced I could dedicate an entire month to him and not be at a loss for songs to react to.
Critical Reactions If you were to do that, you’d definitely have material for quite a few episodes. Above all, it would never really get boring for you due to the different genres this guy covers. Thank you for the interaction, man. It is truly appreciated. As someone who doesn’t usually watch a lot of “reaction videos” I am happy to say that you have a fan in Germany now. Once I have some money, I’ll add some to your patreon as well. Cheers
Thanks for doing this one. Dillinger is an extremely important band in the extreme metal. So unique. Their whole catalogs is brilliant.
i always mean to listen to more songs by dilinger, but then i just end up listening to one of us is the killer for a week straight. that song is so beautiful
I gotta check that one out. A few others have recommended it as well but you're making it sound like one of their best works so now I'm definitely intrigued.
Haha!! Same damn thing happens to me. That and symptom of terminal illness.
That song is fucking great LOL same I always get stuck on it
The solution to getting into Dillinger - you HAVE TO listen to some albums beginning to end, you're going to miss so much in the writing listening to their stuff in one-offs. Mastodon was like this for me too, I didn't 'get it' until I listened to 'Leviathan' and 'Blood Mountain' back to back, it all came together, now they're a massive influence on my writing.
there's always needs to be that one song on every album, that you can't throw away from your mind :), for me it was Crossburner on OOUIAK album
Great reaction! Other Dillinger Escape Plan songs that would be good reactions are One of Us is the Killer (a bit softer), and Limerent Death, and Sunshine the Werewolf.
He would also enjoy Setting fire to sleeping giants, Widower, Mouth of Ghosts, Milk Lizard or Black Bubblegum (just to name a few of their more accessible songs)
No you must do Converge!
Yes, All We Love We Leave Behind plis!
I recently.got into this band and converge any albums you recommend from.converge dominic?
@@sussychachi for reals start from the first album's and take sometime with them before moving on to the next
@@sussychachi Jane doe, all we love we left behind, axe to fall - those are my favorites. But listen to every album after Jane doe.
@@ha7e777 these are goat !
LOVE this band! Saw them in St. Louis back in 2013. These guys were beast live!
"Panasonic Tooth" 🤣🤣🤣
Car Bomb - Vague Skies. Powerfully brutal, but beautifully melodic in the finale. I love that you get what’s going on here!
hey man great video, I was hoping you woudl tlak about the key,
I am thinking this song is F major- most metal uses the Dm relative for the chugs being the root, but in this case it modulates to some kind of passing Chord and E , so
did it go down a halfstep in the bridge or am i crazy?
I don't have the ability to tell pitch/key by ear but if you could direct me towards some sheet music I'd let you know if there is a key change there.
OMG. I watched your recent Deftones reaction and was going to comment: “I love Deftones, but ‘Hexagram’ is almost unbearable to me. Which is interesting considering one of my favorite bands is Dillinger Escape Plan.” This should be fun. 😂
I felt the same way about the Deftones song. Idk too much about them but wasn’t the hugest fan of that particular song.
Christopher Kokotajlo It’s just not really what Deftones does well.
I remember when they teased that song before the record came out and it was just a clip of them playing the more melodic riff, and I was super excited for it. Then the song came out and it had that really underwhelming, borderline lazy "worship/play" riff that kinda ruined it
Had no idea people weren’t as fond of Hexagram as I am. Chinos vocal performance is haunting and I love the lyrics in it
To each their own
Sunshine the werewolf is the best
Check the song 43% burnt from the 1st album Calculating Infinity and if you like Mike Patton, the 18 minutes EP Irony is a dead scene.
Oh yes, this is a band I've been waiting for you to get to. Agree with Car Bomb recommendations (From The Dust Of This Planet)
By the way - only 1 singer Greg is a monster 🤘🏼
In an interview with Greg he said that the lyrical content largely touches on art and the idea that looking back to the past is more thrilling or exciting then trying to forge something new or original
I remember seeing these live once, and it was only about 45 seconds into the set and the singer had somehow cut his forehead open and had blood going everywhere while screaming, and one of the guitarists had climbed up and was playing on top of a 15 foot stack of guitar amps.
These guys are MENTAL live.
Another band worth checking out IMO (besides those I listed in the last video I posted in) is The Mars Volta. My favorite song of theirs is Televators.
As for experimental metal, someone previously mentioned Intronaut. They're pretty interesting. Had seen them live at a show they played with TesseracT a number of years ago. I haven't actually listened to anything they've recently released (though I'm currently listening to their latest album they released 3 months ago it seems). No particular song recommendation
Edit: After listening to that album a few times now, I'd probably recommend The Cull. A solid offering by Intronaut.
Yeah, Mars Volta are amazing; I always struggle to find a song to recommend as anything from their first 4 albums is outstanding and should be listened to as whole albums.
Mars volta will prolly be Thursday according to how the patreon poll played out
Oh man, "miss machine" is a very special album for me. Just a phenomenal album. Listen to it, please sir.
Miss Machine was the first Dillinger album i bought.... heard some dillinger songs on the radio and loved the cover art on Miss Machine so bought it.....
I'm a fan of metal and punk and tend to gravitate in heavier directions, but I've always found Dillinger's more melodic stuff to be far more interesting than the chaotic stuff. There are only so many times you can pound out minor 2nds in weird rhythms before it all just starts to sound the same. Their stuff that has more of a rock feel to it covers so much ground but still manages to be cohesive. Plus Greg just really has a knack for writing great vocal melodies.
So glad you checked them out.
The refers to art as a whole and artistry in music, how people should stay in their lane and produce the same old content without any creativity, and this is them pushing against it.
Other songs by them that i'd recommend are 'Prancer', 'One of Us Is the Killer', 'Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants', 'Milk Lizard', 'Sunshine th Werewolf', 'Panasonic Youth', Black Bubblegum'.
I believe that the reference to Mona Lisa is sort of referring to the Renaissance era as a whole where there was a sort of focus on reinventing society through returning to an appreciation of Classicism. Then this desire to have a singular purpose is being contrasted with modern society, which has too many options, so many cultural enclaves, creation is put on the backburner in favor of consumption. You can take that general idea and run with it in a few directions, but I'm fairly certain the idea of "Mona Lisa" as a symbol of an age past as opposed to now...option paralysis, which is a psychological term referring to anxiety created from having literally too many options, and it causing an inability to make decisions and receive that gratification of feeling confident and unified when making such decisions. Some of the above is from interviews they've done (particularly the characterization of option paralysis and my own digging as a former Psych student), and some of it is me trying to piece things together.
Dillinger is one of the most difficult bands to get into but one of the most rewarding bands if you can do it
1:23 - Panasonic TOOTH haha love that.
The Dillinger escape plan brought me to your channel and judging by the outro is why you feel you've been sleeping on them.
El Efecto - O Drama da Humana Manada
brazilian music/prog
(you can use automatic translation on youtube to check the lyrics)
Yes Dillinger Escape Plan!! I love all their albums. This was the first album by them that I bought and then I bought One of us the killer.
I. Listen to Dillinger to calm my chaotic mind and fall asleep. Like Calculating Infinity Dillinger
So glad you covered TDEP. So much talent given how much of an acquired taste that they are.
Check out the band Into the Moat 🙃
Okay so here's a wild one I'd love to see you break down. Gangstagrass - barn burning.
Its bluegrass meets rap and its oddly a fantastic blend of two opposite sides of the music spectrum
I love how you really understood the intent of the song and generally the band. You should check out their song Nothings Funny, It has another fabulous chorus that'd you probably enjoy!
Another song I recommend it's Aphelion Void by Dodheimsgard. I think that the composition work on that song and generally in entire album it's really crazy and unusual.
LOL "That guitar part reminded me of Flight of the Bumble Bee". This sounded to me like an epic roast even though you really didnt mean it that way hahaha.
Check out Azusa, it's got the bassist from Dillinger. Memories of an old emotion is a good song to start with
Hey man, have you ever heard of The Red Chord? I hope so! They released four stellar albums, that have so much to offer in the vein of progressive, technical, emotional metal. I would recommend listening to tracks from either “Prey For Eyes”, or “Fed Through the Teeth Machine”, as those two albums best exemplify their strengths as composers. I think you’d love their stuff if you enjoyed Dillinger! :)
You're the first person to recommend that one and I can't say I've heard of the band prior. I'm interested in the genre combination though.
Critical Reactions Awesome! After seeing what you’re interested in, I definitely think you find The Red Chord intriguing. It’s a really interesting meshing of melancholy melody work, with really groovy and heavy riffing. Just beautiful, weird stuff!
Dillinger!!!! Fuck yes! One of the harder bands to just dive into. So glad I was able to catch then in New York for their last show
dude. dillinger is a journey and a half. took me a while to listen to a full album but when i did, they were already throwing their last concert. epic discography.
Another pick from my favorite bands. How about Necrophagist (technical metal pioneers), Fall of Troy (Post Hardcore/progressive), or a band that paved the way for many other Mathcore bands like Dillinger, Botch. Botch was bringing the most interesting sound that anyone had ever heard back in the early 90's. Botch were pioneers of their time. NO ONE sounded like them. Also, fun fact: if you like the band "Minus the Bear", "Botch" was were the bassist and guitarist started. And even though they are very different bands, you can Dave Knudson's distinct guitar style in both bands.
Before we start...i love this band and one of the best live shows of my late teens
If you enjoy the more melodic side maybe give "one of us is the killer" or "black bubblegum" a listen. Once you get a taste for that more chaotic stuff though it's addictive - real ear candy
I heard them live. Omg they are so good
Hacride - On the treshold of death, from the incredible album 'Amoeba', somehow between Tool and Meshuggah and with interesting compositions.
Or to continue with The DEP, you should try 43% Burnt, by far one of the most importabt milestones in the genre, from the excellent album Calculating Infinity.
Or just listen to Converge - "Concubine/Fault and Fracture" and just stop the world
Cool! You got some of it. The song is obviously a call to arms to fight you accepting being average. With angry energy you should fight being in a situation you were put in by others. It calls for changing your life, by getting you excited and energetic. We have moments of thinking, but we know we need action! Yes, I am a huge fan of this band, haha!
Miss machine album, is where it all gets put together. Either way you go after everything is in context.
I'd love to hear you analyze Widower. There is quite a lot of diversity across the albums, and they became a bit more accessible since their first ones, so this one should be something bridging this all, so to speak.
I'll get them added to the request spreadsheet it they aren't already.
Please please please do more Dillinger!
Thank you.
Checking out the new Daughters would be cool! Something like Long Road, No Turns.
This is a song of two halves for me, the first half is pure adrenaline pumping chaos, and the second half is pure unadulterated bliss and chills all over. It's incredible.
The Dillinger Escape Plan "Happiness Is A Smile"
never listened to Dillinger except for Calculating Infinity. Looks like they grew a bit softer, not bad
They definitely started to play around with melody a bit more later on.
As far as I can tell (sadly I haven't seen them live) they are even more chaotic as they improvise a lot, play parts backwards smt and probably need new instruments every gig.
Converge next? :D I would suggest "Axe to fall".
Man, you need to hear " Cheers, Pricks " or " The First Supper " by Daughters.
Erratic and chaotic but a super imaginative and unique at the same time.
I forgot I recommended TDEP haha. Very different from my usually recommendation (Fable by Intervals)
If you do Dillinger, you definitely should consider doing some Between the Buried and Me. They are I guess a little more accessible (especially the Alaska Album), but not any less complex.
I've listened to 2 or 3 songs from BtBaM and we'll have an album reaction to them in a couple of months (Colors).
Haven’t requested in a while but i think you (and the channel) will enjoy CORAZON by NOVENA. They’re a prog “supergroup”. Super fun and creative song. It’s up there for one of my favorite songs of the year.
Peace ✌🏽
Definitely let him know it's the vocalists of haken and slice the cake, that'll get him more curious 😉
If you want another all over the place song go with twelve foot Ninja- coming for you (this bands fit the meme finding a song you like but non of their other songs sound similar)
twelve foot ninja are great and complex but there's nothing "all over the place" about them. They fuse a lot of different genres.
DEP is all over the place within a genre.
Best live band ive ever seen!!!
Man you should check Mouth of Ghosts by them. It's a fucking trip
Check out Ghost Iris! I recommend “V I S T A” but their newer stuff is good as well
I never clicked on anything faster in my life.
DEP is a band I have a lot of respect for, but I do find them hard to listen to for extended periods. They're right on that line of a band that's almost too chaotic for me to really enjoy, but they frequently hit on these brilliant ideas rhythmically, melodically, and/or atmospherically, so even if I hate whatever they're doing at one moment it probably won't hang around too long, and part of me loves the unexpected/surprise aspect of just not knowing what's going to come next. They also generally know how to sequence/pace their albums so that the "overwhelming chaos" moments get to share time and space with the more accessible aspects.
you need to hear Limerent Death.
Love this song
Recommending Converge: Last Light
do DAUGHTERS, something different and unique
Heck yes. Satan in the wait?
The First Supper
Ocean Song
Listen to miss machine, best album by these guys hands down. This is a song that was released after they lost too many members critical to their original sound. Pennie and Benoit come to mind.
YESSS
check out Chon - waterslide its math/progressive rock
It's a pretty chill song that I quite enjoyed :) ua-cam.com/video/UAkXhJEuZbw/v-deo.html
litsen to the song widower from same album. you'll like it better and as deep as this one is ;)
Finally some quality extremity!!!....Now when Good Dogs do bad things!!!
Car Bomb - Sets !!! lml
It would be nice if he reacted to a song by car bomb... Maybe secrets within...
Yes Yes Yes!!
I’d really like to see what you think of
The Fall of Troy
ADJUST YOUR MIX ALL WE CAN HEAR IS YOU! AND THE GUYS USED A LOT OF PEDALS BACK THEN! I
They put out an album called Option Paralysis for a reason used to gig with them 1997-99 the Dimitri Years. Ask me shit...we were like Dillinger if they listened to more Iron Maiden and Overcast
43% Burnt’s jazz break would have been nice for him to disect
Paranoia Shields is the greatest kinda "pop" rock-metal song of all time for me. The way it written is just too good.
nice
The lyrics on this song are about the band and their detractors. When they changed singers, a lot of older fans wanted the band to keep on Calculating Infinity's path. Mona Lisa is used as a metaphor for the perception of art, like "we're not here to please our fans, fuck Mona Lisa and their preconception of art".
Their song Prancer is about the opposite thing, telling their detractors they had finally made it finding their own path. "We finally figured this shit out."
react to "Fair To Midland - Orphan Anthem 86
Billy Rymer is a fucking God
Dillinger is a very talented band, its an acquired taste but for me their most melodic songs would probably be One Of Us Is The Killer or Widower, definitely more structured songs
Gold teeth on a bum and good neighbor from option paralysis
Fix your face and mouth of ghosts from ire works
Panasonic youth and setting fire to sleeping giants from miss machine
And the whole collab with Mike Patton