I really disagree with your prediction to be honest. If the Tullys had Jaime, that means that Tywin would not risk anything to get his son killed. He would not be doing anything similar to the Red wedding or The rains of castamere. I think in the long term he would settle for the north being an independent kingdom.
Yeah This definitely seems FAR more likely than Tywin doing something to kill Robb. Maybe he’d try to get Northern lords to rebel or be doubtful of Robb’s abilities but he’d try to distance itself as much from him since he still wants to get Jamie off the Kingsguard and become his heir again. He’s a cautious and calculated man and wouldn’t risk something like that. Thing is that while Robb is great at winning battles he’s not good at strategy relating to war as a whole so he was already losing. So idk what happens. best thing for him to do is go back North and fortify and hunker down
@Kaiser Franz Joseph Rob was good at winning individual battles. Made some clever moves. But he wasn't thinking about the big picture. Tywin was wise enough to not over extend. Rob should have fell back. Rob should have waited until the end of the war to get married.
I think it comes down to how much keeping the karstarks loyal will persuade Roose to keep his vows to Robb. Robb kept Jaimie close to him and would’ve brought him with him to the Twins for the wedding, so Jaimie could’ve been freed then, it’s just a matter of would roose still have betrayed Robb with the karstarks still on Robb’s side
I was mainly thinking that, if Tyrion hadn't been a dwarf (perhaps with the added bonus of his birth not killing his mother), he would've been Tywin's favorite child. Tyrion has a lot of Tywin's personality. In that scene in S1E10, when Tyrion pushed the wine glass off the table and said, "There's your peace," Tywin almost looked proud. When Tywin sent Tyrion to King's Landing to be Joffrey's Hand and keep "that boy king" (as Tywin put it) and Cersei in line, he did it because he knew Tyrion was the one who was most like him (personality-wise and in terms of intellect). Also, Tywin's explanation when Tyrion asked him why he was doing that ("You are my son.") was probably the closest thing to an, "I love you," Tyrion ever got from his father.
soyon manlai True. Plus, I think Tyrion being so shunned his whole life is why he's so much more moral than the rest of his family, and why he's so much more sympathetic to people in bad situations, such as the poor and Jon Snow (particularly when the latter was shunned because everyone had thought he was a bastard).
What if Lyanna had told her family that she went with Rhaegar willingly OR What if Ned had told everyone Jon’s true heritage before he died (like instead of proclaiming that Joffrey was the true king. He says to everyone that Jon is the true king) OR What if Ned had saved Elia and her kids from The Mountain OR What if Jon became a knight and eventually joined the Kingsguard instead of the watch OR What if Sansa told the truth about what happened with Joffrey, Arya and Mycha at the lake OR What if Bran and Rickon had gone to the wall as planned OR What if Jon had found Bran and Rickon while they were hiding in that tower before he left the Wildlings OR What if Brandon had killed Littlefinger
1. Lyanna telling Ned that she wanted to run away with Rhaegar wouldn't change a damn thing. Ned's father and brother were killed by the Mad King, that was really what started Robert's Rebellion. The Northern Lords were pissed, Robert was furious that Rhaegar kidnapped the love of his life, Jon Arryn refused to obey the Mad King when he ordered Ned and Robert to be killed so he had no choice but to go to war at that point... war still happens and Targaryens still get destroyed. 2. If Ned tells everyone that Jon is the true King ( which would mean that he would have to tell everyone that Jon is actually a Targaryen ) everyone would think that he has gone mad. 3. If by some miracle Ned got there in time to stop the Mountain ( i assume he would have at least 20 men with him in order to be able to kill that monster and no Lannister soldiers around to stop Ned ) then that would create a huge problem for Robert and Tywin would be very pissed as well. Dorne would try and negotiate something in order to get Elia and her children to Dorne but that would never happen, they would be kept as hostages and the kids would still end up getting killed one way or another. 4. I would love to see Jon as a Kingsguard member... so that he could just stand there and watch while his father is getting his head chopped off... let's be serious here, the moment Ned gets arrested Jon tries to save him and he ends up dead. 5. Sansa is an idiot, always was and always will be. I can see no scenario in which she takes her sister's side and goes against her sweet Prince. 6. Bran and Rickon at the wall = they both live and as soon as Jon gets back at Castle Black he sends them to some Northern House to keep them safe, probably to Lord Wyman Manderly. 7. Jon finding Bran and Rickon at the tower while he has wildlings chasing him and want to kill him... they slow Jon down and they all get killed by the wildlings. 8. Brandon kills Littlefinger = No war of the Five Kings. Which means no story.
What if Jaime never loved Cersei. 1. Jaime would never have joined the kings guard, leading to aerys's death. 2. Aery's would have destroyed kings landing because Jaime never killed him, most likely killing tywin, the mountain, and maybe ned 3. Bran would never have become the 3 eyed raven for obvious reasons, or at least a cripple 4. Jon Arryn would never have died. 5. There would be no war of the 5 kings, since Robert and cersei would probably have their own children. 6. No red wedding or explosion in the sept of baelor. 7. Theon keeps his 8 incher 8. Boltons most likely stay loyal. 9. Robb and Jon agree to face the north threat with the whole of the north 10. Lady never dies :)
"What if Theon keeps his 8-incher?" Asking the important questions. 😂😂 Still, even though I despised Theon at the point that had happened to him, I didn't think he deserved to have _that_ happen to him. 😖😖
Super Vegito When I first saw that episode, I was mad at her, but because of the amazing character evolution Jaime has gone through, I'm (sort of) happy she did it.
Summary exacution and killing POWs should never be shown as a good thing. Weither Rickard Karstark killed Jamie or the twins there should have been consequences. Just because one of your allies wants to kill someone does not mean you should allow it. Taking Tywin prisoner caused a lot of problems. His execution would have caused a lot more. There had to be a better solution to letting him go or letting Rickard Karstark merc the dude.
Chi_Sox4ever I was thinking the same thing he can afford to lose Tyrion if Jamie is around to carry on his line. If Tyrion is the last male heir he wouldn't even let the trial happen they would probably just blame it all on Sansa & go on a witch Hunt for her.
it depends on when Jamie died they could not have delayed the wedding of Joffrey and Margery so the purple wedding could have happen as that is a plan of Balish( to save Sansa as he wants either her or cat) and the queen of thorns( as she didn't want her granddaughter married to a sadistic little fool)
I think they wouldn’t have even accused Tyrion of it because he’s the only heir left and even tho Tywin hates him he won’t let him die for this or if it did go through the mountain would be Tyrion’s champion
That would’ve turned the tide to Robb, honestly he should’ve appeared before his Aunt in person and begged her to join after the Karstarks left. He could’ve made her a promise that he’d find Robin a suitor.
Here’s a “What if” straight from the books... ASOS Ch. 45 - Catelyn V “On the night of the Whispering Wood... Theon Greyjoy fought at Robb’s side and boasted of how he had almost crossed swords with The Kingslayer... If Theon had died in place of Lord Karstark’s sons how much ill would have been undone?”
What if stannis arrived at dragonstone in enough time to capture the targeryan children. And what if he chooses to take them as wards. How would have effected game of thrones and stannis's relationship with his brother?
In the books Robb did leave Jamie at Riverrun. Thing is he left Catelyn there too and never expected her to free him. The showrunners changed this and kept Robb, Catelyn and Jamie moving around so they could keep a decent sized cast in Robb's location, rather than having very few characters around or having to bring in more from the books. I think for the purpose of adaptation it was a good decision and Robb gave a decent reason for it.
I think they would have been able to raid the Westerlands pretty heavily, considering the whole army was engaged with Robb. With the Baratheon fleet out of the picture the royalists naval forces are weakened compared to the Greyjoy rebellion, it might not be enough though. Robb probably wouldn't have needed to agree to the Red Wedding though, and if Joffrey still dies perhaps some kind of truce could have been arranged by the Tyrells?
@@Brandonhayhew Not on their own, but that's why they should have sided with Either tywin or Robb. They could use their fleet to raid the westerlands, maybe even destroy Lannisport.
What if Robb sent his demands to Tywin instead of King's Landing and return North where the summer Lannister army wouldn't last in fighting? Or What if Ned asked for the North's independence back after Lyanna's death and Robert gave it? Or What if Robert wasn't fostered at the Eryie with Ned? Or What if Lyanna was never betrothed to Robert?
Ramsay would have had to siege Winterfell because the garrison would never have left to fight at Torrhens Square and Theon would never have taken the castle. That siege might have made the whole Red Wedding thing a bit less smooth, since as it played out they already had the castle in Bolton hands after the wedding, so questioning their power in the North was kinda hard. Would the Manderlys, Umbers and various small houses have sat idly by as traitors sieged their dead liege lords castle, with Bran and Rickon in it?
Loving the uploads TBP, we appreciate you keeping the fandom hyped during the long night (waiting until 2019)! Easily the best GoT content uploaded on UA-cam.
When Robert striked a the ahmmer on the prince, this is where the royalist soliders flee, and the other kingsguards are dead, Rhaegar living his still gonna face a lot of problems with the other factions joining the winning side
What if Robb was betrothed to Margaery? What if Robb's rebellion had an alliance with the Dorne? I'm sad that these two houses didn't show their full potential. Dorne being unbent even from Aegon and Tyrell with their rich lands and Queen of Thorns... I knew they wouldn't die that easily :((
What if Hotpie was killed when Anguy from the brother hood shot the arrow into the air??? Think about it, she wouldnt of gone with the brotherhood along with gendry which means he isnt sold to mellisandre, also in season 7, arya isnt told the boltons are dead meaning she carries on towards Kings Landing to kill cersei. 1
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WHAT IF: Tyrion was found NOT Guilty during his trial. And Tywin did give him the benefit of the doubt for not killing Joffrey. So Tyrion is set free. And as a bonus let’s say a witness came foreword at the Purple wedding saw Ollenna pour the poison in his cup
Since Robb dies in a different time and place presumably, there could be a very different casualty list from however that goes down. Various lords could survive or escape, Edmure Tully may not be captured so that could change the fate of Riverlands dramatically. Since Robb very likely dies later there is also a very real possibility that his wishes regarding Jon as his heir have an effect.
i don't think Tyrion would die, he's tywins last son, even tywin isn't that foolish, he knew it wasn't tyrion but wanted him dead because of what he was, but when it comes to family, and their legacy/future, tywin wouldn't have risked it
Big fan of these videos :) My suggestions: What if Dany accepts Yunkais offer, takes the gold and ships and goes to Westeros in Season 3? What if Jorah Mormont never sold those poachers into slavery?
You are my absolute favorite UA-camr! I'm always excited when I see a new upload from you. Please post more often. I hope you see this. Cheers. Also, what if Tywin had been captured, instead of Jaime?
Hey there bud! Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate it. Really nice of you to say. I'll do what I can to post more (I DEFINITELY will be closer to the GOT season!) Interesting idea, for sure. Tywin being captured changes the game COMPLETELY! Cheers mate
What if Theon did what Yara said he should have done (put Winterfell to the torch and taken Bran and Rickon back to Pyke) instead of trying to hold Winterfell?
You got the timeline messed up. Inherently the problem with Caityln stealing jaime was the perception that they Rob didn't know what he was doing. Which made karkstark make an executive decision to kill the captured lannisters. Rob was rushing to the twins in order to recapture winterfell from Theon. The red wedding may not have happened because Robs death would have meant the death of jaimie. So the plan to betray the starks would have to include some method of securing jaime lannister which would have been unlikely. Rob after retaking winterfell would have hung theon and may have launched a war with the ironborn to make them bend the knee to the king of the north. With the iron islands, the north and the riverland the only thing left would be to secure an alliance with the Vale. The Caityln may try to do something else stupid to secure sansa, with Rob declared as the king of the north, and mostly being out of the lannisters hair the events of black water continues except the aftermath is sansa definitely not having a value or use for the lannisters. so either little finger jump cuts his plan to marry sansa early or she dies in kinglanding.
I actually like the idea of the Jon Umbers party being attacked by Karstark Men while they are about deliver Rickon Stark to Ramsay. This would be hilarious in this Scenario.
What up dude! I didn't know where else to put this and maybe you've already done it. But "What if Ned kills Jamie during the duel in the streets of King's Landing"? What would change from there. I can only image Tywin wouldn't be happy nor would Cersi.
Overall from what I'm getting is things go for the better. I don't know for sure what Tywin would have done about Dany but I don't think he would want another war. He is definitely not giving up the Throne especially since he'll be able to mold Tommen however he wants. I'm curious what Margaery would have thought and done about Dany coming to Westeros.
Hi, this is one of my favourite ASOIAF channels. There is one fantasy question I wanted to put out there. If there is one character that could be resurrected who would you want it to be? I want to see Robert swing his legendary war hammer with all his fury at least once on the show. Gods!!! That would be quite a sight. I am in no way theorising this would happen, it's just a fantasy and since magic has returned to Westeros, you never know.
I understand why she let jaime go because as a mother she wants her kids back she didnt want her daughter living with the Lannisters not knowing how they were being treated. Also she wanted the war to just go ahead and end and she knows that in wars people die and she knew it was possible that Robb could die (its war after all) and she didn't want that she just wanted to be home with her children living in peace.
I have to disagree with this. First, I'll address the military aspect of this.The thing about the Karstarks staying with Robb, is that it's a HUGE advantage. Robb won the majority of his battles because he effectively utilized his cavalry, of which the Karstarks made up a great portion of, to overwhelm and destroy his enemies. When he died at the Red Wedding, he'd already crushed 2/3 of the Lannister's total forces. So, the Lannister army that is left is basically about as large as Robb's and they do not have the cavalry or the tacticians necessary in order to defeat the Starks. The only tactician they have which could possibly beat the Starks is Randyll Tarly. However, the issue with that is that it requires the Tyrells to fork over the only good commander they have, which would leave them exposed to Stannis Baratheon and his large force of cavalry. Next, let's address the nature of all the houses involved. First we have the Freys, who have been betrayed and are opportunists. Unfortunately, the Freys have to know that their army is garbage. Sure, they have a lot of men, but based off how the Siege of Riverrun was going before Jaime came, they don't have any competent men to lead the army. So, if they openly rebel, then they just end up besieged in their castle until they eventually starve to death, or they get cut down in open battle. Then, there's the Boltons. Do they hate the Starks, yes. Do they, in this case, have to necessary manpower to survive if they kill Robb Stark? No. Unless they betrayed the Starks in open battle, they don't stand a chance. Even if they do that, they don't have the numbers in order to hold off a Stark army prepared for battle, as we have seen the Lannisters consistently get wiped out too fast in order to a Bolton betrayal to be effective. Next we have the Lannisters, who we already established cannot beat the Stark Army. Do they have have political power, sure. Are they great plotters and schemers, yes. Does any of that matter if Jaime Lannister would die in the end and leave Tyrion as the heir to House Lannister, no. As soon as Tywin realizes that he cannot stop Robb Stark, he would try and negotiate with the Starks in order to end the war, granting the Riverlands and North independence. Otherwise, House Lannister dies out in Tywin's eyes, because Tyrion is the heir. Finally, we have the Tyrells. If the Lannisters have the Tyrells then sure, maybe they can hold off the Starks, but the problem is the Tyrells themselves are opportunists. If they send away Randyll and some of their own soldiers, then there's a good chance Stannis uses his holdings in the Stormlands to attack the Tyrells, which would end up getting a large portion of the Tyrell army destroyed. If they send most their forces to stop Robb, reminiscent of the Battle of the Blackwater, then Stannis definitely goes HAM on the Reach and starts wiping out every minor holding. I guess for a side note, maybe the Greyjoys could work with the Lannisters, but let's face it, it's Balon Greyjoy leading them. He's a screw up with basically 0 tactical prowess. He would mess up any plans he tried to carry out, and like I said, Jaime is at stake. The Greyjoys don't care, but Tywin does. So long as the Starks have Jaime held hostage, they have Tywin in a position to surrender. Now, let me just wrap it up by saying this. You can't just say "Robb would die somehow anyways." That doesn't explain anything to us, and we're just going off blind assumption without any base for a situation in which Robb could get betrayed and Jaime doesn't die immediately. Just because Tywin has a reputation for getting even, doesn't mean that he has the means to do anything to get even with Robb Stark. It doesn't matter how good of a poker player Tywin is, if Robb Stark is holding a royal flush Tywin's not going to beat Robb Stark that round.
Suggestion here: What if Daenerys didn’t listen to Tyrion about his strategy (which failed since the Reach, Dorne and the Iron Islands were lost). What if Dany listened to Ellaria Sand, Olenna and Yara and attacked King’s Landing right away? I could see Dany using her and Yara’s fleet and have one dragon protecting it to siege King’s Landing from the Blackwater, while the Tyrell and Dornish Armies march for the walls of King’s Landing. How would that have played out?
It is likely the Freys were going to betray Robb Stark once Cat arrived at the Twins. In welcoming Cat, he said the words "Mayhaps". In the game of "lord of the crossing" the players would make all sort of binding promises, but if you say "mayhaps" anywhere in the negotiation - the binding promises were void. He did not want Rob or Cat there, he was not getting anything out of it - he expected Robb to lose. I would not put it past him to start planning the "Red Wedding" right then and there, the fact Rob found someone else and Tywin's promises were too delicious. I would not put it past him to kill off one of his daughters.
What if Cercei gave Tommen essence of nightshade at the battle of the blackwater. (Tommen dead, purple wedding not happen? What would seven kingdoms be like?)
II still want to see "What if Robb had met with Renly and Catelyn had gone home?" This would likely include Jaime not being freed but it also likely would have meant Baelish not going to Renly's camp and making alliance with the Tyrells. Also where does Brienne go? Is Catelyn at Winterfell when Theon attacks and if so do things play out differently? Would at least some of the lords of the Stormlands side with Robb?
What if: In S1.E1. When Ned and all his boys are there to behead the Night's Watch deserter, rather than behead him go to the Wall to warn Benjen about it and then wage war then instead.
What if Jon & friends just ran with gendry with the weight? What if dany listened to tyrion & never went beyond the wall? What if she only brought drogon beyond the wall?
What if Brianne got Jamie to kings landing and found out the Lannister’s did not have Aria? Since she was suppose to trade for both daughters what would Brianne have done?
One major impact of Jaime's death is Tyrion becomes without a doubt Tywin's heir. Jaime's death kills all of Tywin's hope that Jaime will eventually leave the Kingsguard, wed and become the next Lord of Casterly Rock. That could mean Tyrion's trial goes differently, but depending on when Tywin learns Jaime is dead, that could change all of Tywin's plans for Tyrion before that point. Would Tywin want Sansa as Lady of Casterly Rock after he's gone? So perhaps a different marriage for Tyrion and Sansa is married to whatever other Lannister is available - maybe Tywin Frey to secure Riverrun for Genna's decedents. Or, Tyrion could have been sent back to the Westerlands before Joffrey's wedding even with Sansa if the wedding already happened. Another possibility is Tywin decides there's no way he wants Tyrion as his heir (or Lancel) and decides to remarry.
What if Robert listened to Ned and had:
-Jaime stripped of his powers as a kings guard
-Tywin sent to the wall
-The mountain sent to Dorne
It would be good to do the first and then exile Jaime to casterly rock
-Married any other woman but Cersei.
Bruh Tywin at the Wall. That'll be bizarre but interesting.
I really disagree with your prediction to be honest. If the Tullys had Jaime, that means that Tywin would not risk anything to get his son killed. He would not be doing anything similar to the Red wedding or The rains of castamere. I think in the long term he would settle for the north being an independent kingdom.
Yeah This definitely seems FAR more likely than Tywin doing something to kill Robb. Maybe he’d try to get Northern lords to rebel or be doubtful of Robb’s abilities but he’d try to distance itself as much from him since he still wants to get Jamie off the Kingsguard and become his heir again. He’s a cautious and calculated man and wouldn’t risk something like that.
Thing is that while Robb is great at winning battles he’s not good at strategy relating to war as a whole so he was already losing. So idk what happens. best thing for him to do is go back North and fortify and hunker down
@Kaiser Franz Joseph Rob was good at winning individual battles. Made some clever moves. But he wasn't thinking about the big picture.
Tywin was wise enough to not over extend. Rob should have fell back.
Rob should have waited until the end of the war to get married.
I think it comes down to how much keeping the karstarks loyal will persuade Roose to keep his vows to Robb. Robb kept Jaimie close to him and would’ve brought him with him to the Twins for the wedding, so Jaimie could’ve been freed then, it’s just a matter of would roose still have betrayed Robb with the karstarks still on Robb’s side
Do "WHAT IF: Tyrion Was NOT Born a Dwarf?"...perhaps with the added bonus of his birth not killing his mother.
C. Venom I would think he won’t be that cynical and likable as a character
yeah he would be more cunty like his brother
I was mainly thinking that, if Tyrion hadn't been a dwarf (perhaps with the added bonus of his birth not killing his mother), he would've been Tywin's favorite child. Tyrion has a lot of Tywin's personality. In that scene in S1E10, when Tyrion pushed the wine glass off the table and said, "There's your peace," Tywin almost looked proud.
When Tywin sent Tyrion to King's Landing to be Joffrey's Hand and keep "that boy king" (as Tywin put it) and Cersei in line, he did it because he knew Tyrion was the one who was most like him (personality-wise and in terms of intellect). Also, Tywin's explanation when Tyrion asked him why he was doing that ("You are my son.") was probably the closest thing to an, "I love you," Tyrion ever got from his father.
Tyrion being normal would be boring.
soyon manlai True. Plus, I think Tyrion being so shunned his whole life is why he's so much more moral than the rest of his family, and why he's so much more sympathetic to people in bad situations, such as the poor and Jon Snow (particularly when the latter was shunned because everyone had thought he was a bastard).
What if Lyanna had told her family that she went with Rhaegar willingly
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What if Ned had told everyone Jon’s true heritage before he died (like instead of proclaiming that Joffrey was the true king. He says to everyone that Jon is the true king)
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What if Ned had saved Elia and her kids from The Mountain
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What if Jon became a knight and eventually joined the Kingsguard instead of the watch
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What if Sansa told the truth about what happened with Joffrey, Arya and Mycha at the lake
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What if Bran and Rickon had gone to the wall as planned
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What if Jon had found Bran and Rickon while they were hiding in that tower before he left the Wildlings
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What if Brandon had killed Littlefinger
Michelle De Conceicao lot's of cool scenarios. The last one doesn't seem like much if anything would change
Fairly Literary lots would have changed is Littlefinger was killed young, because he's the orchestrator of a lot of things that happened
Ricki-Sue King : y'know what? You're right. I forgot about that. Someone else would more likely take his place as a maniacal mastermind lol
1. Lyanna telling Ned that she wanted to run away with Rhaegar wouldn't change a damn thing. Ned's father and brother were killed by the Mad King, that was really what started Robert's Rebellion. The Northern Lords were pissed, Robert was furious that Rhaegar kidnapped the love of his life, Jon Arryn refused to obey the Mad King when he ordered Ned and Robert to be killed so he had no choice but to go to war at that point... war still happens and Targaryens still get destroyed.
2. If Ned tells everyone that Jon is the true King ( which would mean that he would have to tell everyone that Jon is actually a Targaryen ) everyone would think that he has gone mad.
3. If by some miracle Ned got there in time to stop the Mountain ( i assume he would have at least 20 men with him in order to be able to kill that monster and no Lannister soldiers around to stop Ned ) then that would create a huge problem for Robert and Tywin would be very pissed as well. Dorne would try and negotiate something in order to get Elia and her children to Dorne but that would never happen, they would be kept as hostages and the kids would still end up getting killed one way or another.
4. I would love to see Jon as a Kingsguard member... so that he could just stand there and watch while his father is getting his head chopped off... let's be serious here, the moment Ned gets arrested Jon tries to save him and he ends up dead.
5. Sansa is an idiot, always was and always will be. I can see no scenario in which she takes her sister's side and goes against her sweet Prince.
6. Bran and Rickon at the wall = they both live and as soon as Jon gets back at Castle Black he sends them to some Northern House to keep them safe, probably to Lord Wyman Manderly.
7. Jon finding Bran and Rickon at the tower while he has wildlings chasing him and want to kill him... they slow Jon down and they all get killed by the wildlings.
8. Brandon kills Littlefinger = No war of the Five Kings. Which means no story.
You're a genius, Batt Productions...put this man on a video, send him a t shirt or something...I like it
What if Jaime never loved Cersei.
1. Jaime would never have joined the kings guard, leading to aerys's death.
2. Aery's would have destroyed kings landing because Jaime never killed him, most likely killing tywin, the mountain, and maybe ned
3. Bran would never have become the 3 eyed raven for obvious reasons, or at least a cripple
4. Jon Arryn would never have died.
5. There would be no war of the 5 kings, since Robert and cersei would probably have their own children.
6. No red wedding or explosion in the sept of baelor.
7. Theon keeps his 8 incher
8. Boltons most likely stay loyal.
9. Robb and Jon agree to face the north threat with the whole of the north
10. Lady never dies :)
well if ned dies arthur dayne raises jon in essos
So Jon Arryn would become an immortal ? Niiiicee
"What if Theon keeps his 8-incher?" Asking the important questions. 😂😂 Still, even though I despised Theon at the point that had happened to him, I didn't think he deserved to have _that_ happen to him. 😖😖
Varis Bran still ends the war with a single trance.
Ned wouldn’t have died, he arrived hours after Tywin sacked Kings Landing
Hated Catelyn for this
Rightfully so ---
btw, I am a big Dragonball fan. Awesome
Super Vegito When I first saw that episode, I was mad at her, but because of the amazing character evolution Jaime has gone through, I'm (sort of) happy she did it.
@Rosamund Powell y? her nation is at war thousands of mother send their sons to fight their war and she cared about her freaking daughter
bloody witch
@@hiddendagger7291 her saving Jamie led to winter fell being saved so what she did ended up working out
Summary exacution and killing POWs should never be shown as a good thing. Weither Rickard Karstark killed Jamie or the twins there should have been consequences. Just because one of your allies wants to kill someone does not mean you should allow it. Taking Tywin prisoner caused a lot of problems. His execution would have caused a lot more. There had to be a better solution to letting him go or letting Rickard Karstark merc the dude.
I don't believe the Tywin has Tyrion killed if Jamie is dead.
Chi_Sox4ever I was thinking the same thing he can afford to lose Tyrion if Jamie is around to carry on his line. If Tyrion is the last male heir he wouldn't even let the trial happen they would probably just blame it all on Sansa & go on a witch Hunt for her.
I was thinking that as well.
it depends on when Jamie died they could not have delayed the wedding of Joffrey and Margery so the purple wedding could have happen as that is a plan of Balish( to save Sansa as he wants either her or cat) and the queen of thorns( as she didn't want her granddaughter married to a sadistic little fool)
I think they wouldn’t have even accused Tyrion of it because he’s the only heir left and even tho Tywin hates him he won’t let him die for this or if it did go through the mountain would be Tyrion’s champion
What if Jon went to Kings Landing with Ned instead of going the Wall with Benji
Ned wouldn't allow that. Bastards are not welcome (unless in your own home)
What if Walder Frey let Robb Stark go
*What if Arya named the Night King to Jaqen H'ghar?*
Hey man!Please do “What If The Vale Joined Robb Stark”
The Vale is under littlefinger and Lysa tully controlled, he made a video about if littlefinger died.
They blow Lannister’s out of the water
That would’ve turned the tide to Robb, honestly he should’ve appeared before his Aunt in person and begged her to join after the Karstarks left. He could’ve made her a promise that he’d find Robin a suitor.
Here’s a “What if” straight from the books...
ASOS Ch. 45 - Catelyn V
“On the night of the Whispering Wood... Theon Greyjoy fought at Robb’s side and boasted of how he had almost crossed swords with The Kingslayer... If Theon had died in place of Lord Karstark’s sons how much ill would have been undone?”
What if stannis arrived at dragonstone in enough time to capture the targeryan children. And what if he chooses to take them as wards. How would have effected game of thrones and stannis's relationship with his brother?
Daenerys and Viserys will be dead. why do you think Ned was so determined to keep Jon a secret?
Robert would still have them both executed but he'd be on better terms with Stannis. Robert then might have given Stannis Storm's End.
In the books Robb did leave Jamie at Riverrun. Thing is he left Catelyn there too and never expected her to free him. The showrunners changed this and kept Robb, Catelyn and Jamie moving around so they could keep a decent sized cast in Robb's location, rather than having very few characters around or having to bring in more from the books. I think for the purpose of adaptation it was a good decision and Robb gave a decent reason for it.
What if Elia Martell and Rhaenys/Aegon Targaryen lived
Robert would have them killed either way😭
What if the Greyjoys sided with Rob?
Greyjoy are not strong enough to take on the Lannister, nor the north.
I think they would have been able to raid the Westerlands pretty heavily, considering the whole army was engaged with Robb. With the Baratheon fleet out of the picture the royalists naval forces are weakened compared to the Greyjoy rebellion, it might not be enough though. Robb probably wouldn't have needed to agree to the Red Wedding though, and if Joffrey still dies perhaps some kind of truce could have been arranged by the Tyrells?
John Stark then ser rodrik Cassel would fight Roose since Roose would try to take winterfell
@@Brandonhayhew Not on their own, but that's why they should have sided with Either tywin or Robb. They could use their fleet to raid the westerlands, maybe even destroy Lannisport.
@@leonpaelinck These iron born were lead by an idiot king who lost two wars. They were better off with Dany, they just need to wait til Dany came
WHAT IF: Robb Stark had survived the Red Wedding (like Smalljon had successfully protected him, or he had gotten lucky and managed to get out)
What if Robb sent his demands to Tywin instead of King's Landing and return North where the summer Lannister army wouldn't last in fighting?
Or
What if Ned asked for the North's independence back after Lyanna's death and Robert gave it?
Or
What if Robert wasn't fostered at the Eryie with Ned?
Or
What if Lyanna was never betrothed to Robert?
What if theon didnt go to see his father
Dead at Red Wedding. Sansa never escapes Ramsay. Jon is fucked.
Ramsay would have had to siege Winterfell because the garrison would never have left to fight at Torrhens Square and Theon would never have taken the castle. That siege might have made the whole Red Wedding thing a bit less smooth, since as it played out they already had the castle in Bolton hands after the wedding, so questioning their power in the North was kinda hard. Would the Manderlys, Umbers and various small houses have sat idly by as traitors sieged their dead liege lords castle, with Bran and Rickon in it?
@@hoiman2356 Red Wedding is butterfly'd away if Robb still has his capital
What if Tywin attacked the Riverrun instead of Jaime.
same results. What made Jaime successful there was that he started thinking like Tywin.
Robb captured Tywin?! The war almost over.
@@zhouyifan5481 No, Jaime got captured because he left the camp, Tywin would never do such
a thing
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What if Arthur Dayne is at the Trident and he kills Robert Baratheon
Then the rebels are doomed and cateyn and riverland, north will be raided by Lannister and Ironborn
"Then the rebels are doomed" even in the case they win the battle?(things would get tricky with Stannis, i think he would still hold Storm's End)
When Robert striked a the ahmmer on the prince, this is where the royalist soliders flee, and the other kingsguards are dead, Rhaegar living his still gonna face a lot of problems with the other factions joining the winning side
then , what if Robert manges to kill Rhaegal but Dayne kills him shortly afterwards
Blitzkrieg
The Rebel wins but Stannis become king and the rest is history, and also ser Dayne and the royalist is doomed.
What if Robb was betrothed to Margaery?
What if Robb's rebellion had an alliance with the Dorne?
I'm sad that these two houses didn't show their full potential. Dorne being unbent even from Aegon and Tyrell with their rich lands and Queen of Thorns... I knew they wouldn't die that easily
:((
What if Hotpie was killed when Anguy from the brother hood shot the arrow into the air??? Think about it, she wouldnt of gone with the brotherhood along with gendry which means he isnt sold to mellisandre, also in season 7, arya isnt told the boltons are dead meaning she carries on towards Kings Landing to kill cersei.
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Requesting "What if Yoren got to the Wall with Arya, Gendry and the rest?"
WHAT IF: Tyrion was found NOT Guilty during his trial. And Tywin did give him the benefit of the doubt for not killing Joffrey. So Tyrion is set free. And as a bonus let’s say a witness came foreword
at the Purple wedding saw Ollenna pour the poison in his cup
Since Robb dies in a different time and place presumably, there could be a very different casualty list from however that goes down. Various lords could survive or escape, Edmure Tully may not be captured so that could change the fate of Riverlands dramatically.
Since Robb very likely dies later there is also a very real possibility that his wishes regarding Jon as his heir have an effect.
What if Baelish told Tywin about Arya at Harrenhal.
What if King Robert named Gentry as heir to the iron throne over Joffrey before he died.
Robert wasn't even aware of Gendry, he never would've done that.
Derek Neese key word “what if” also in the theory Robert could’ve known
Derek Neese I did mean if.
I feel that if any of his bastard would be the heir it would be Edric Storm. He is one of the two acknowledged bastards and is a highborn.
Is Cersei Gendry's mom?
i don't think Tyrion would die, he's tywins last son, even tywin isn't that foolish, he knew it wasn't tyrion but wanted him dead because of what he was, but when it comes to family, and their legacy/future, tywin wouldn't have risked it
Is it weird that I still miss the GOT intro LOL I wish you could tag people on YT. Great vid, gotta go share with someone.
Big fan of these videos :) My suggestions:
What if Dany accepts Yunkais offer, takes the gold and ships and goes to Westeros in Season 3?
What if Jorah Mormont never sold those poachers into slavery?
What if Khal Drogo didn't get injured and die?
What if Tyrion does not outburst at his trial and goes to the Night's Watch?
What if Steffon Baratheon don't die in Shipbreaker's Bay?
I dig it! Awesome.
Particularly the Steffon one is intriguing to me
Don't you think Varys would have rescued Tyrion on his own?
Yeah, seriously. And Bronn wouldve gotten out of King's Landing pretty fast being who he is. I don't think he completely thought that through.
What if Mance had bent the knee to Stannis?
Klay Smith the the lannisters would be doomed.
In the books mance did bent his knee and is secretly going to on a save mission to get fake Arya.
You are my absolute favorite UA-camr! I'm always excited when I see a new upload from you. Please post more often. I hope you see this.
Cheers.
Also, what if Tywin had been captured, instead of Jaime?
Hey there bud! Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate it. Really nice of you to say. I'll do what I can to post more (I DEFINITELY will be closer to the GOT season!)
Interesting idea, for sure. Tywin being captured changes the game COMPLETELY!
Cheers mate
How do you not have a million subs yet?
I don't see how Rob would lose the war if Jaime wasn't freed by Catelyn
Not sure what difference but an interesting one... What if the black fish escaped riverun, probably joins JS battle of B
What if mance rayder bent the knee to stannis
What if shireen wasn't burnt alive
What if Stannis did not trust Mellisandre from the start, but still believed he was rightful heir tot he throne?
What if Ramsay missed Rickon in Battle of the Bastards?
Lol Bronn is Jamie's "right hand man" I see what you did there. ;)
What if Theon did what Yara said he should have done (put Winterfell to the torch and taken Bran and Rickon back to Pyke) instead of trying to hold Winterfell?
Another good one!
Thanks my friend! :)
What if ned listens to renly about seizing the throne
You got the timeline messed up. Inherently the problem with Caityln stealing jaime was the perception that they Rob didn't know what he was doing. Which made karkstark make an executive decision to kill the captured lannisters. Rob was rushing to the twins in order to recapture winterfell from Theon. The red wedding may not have happened because Robs death would have meant the death of jaimie. So the plan to betray the starks would have to include some method of securing jaime lannister which would have been unlikely. Rob after retaking winterfell would have hung theon and may have launched a war with the ironborn to make them bend the knee to the king of the north. With the iron islands, the north and the riverland the only thing left would be to secure an alliance with the Vale. The Caityln may try to do something else stupid to secure sansa, with Rob declared as the king of the north, and mostly being out of the lannisters hair the events of black water continues except the aftermath is sansa definitely not having a value or use for the lannisters. so either little finger jump cuts his plan to marry sansa early or she dies in kinglanding.
What if Cersei-Jaime incest never happened??
I actually like the idea of the Jon Umbers party being attacked by Karstark Men while they are about deliver Rickon Stark to Ramsay. This would be hilarious in this Scenario.
What if Ygritte didn’t die
What if Stannis won the battle for winterfell?
the mannis in the north
What if Tywin showed Tyrion the respect he deserved after Stannis' siege
Honestly, that's a good scenario. I appreciate that input.
What up dude! I didn't know where else to put this and maybe you've already done it. But "What if Ned kills Jamie during the duel in the streets of King's Landing"? What would change from there. I can only image Tywin wouldn't be happy nor would Cersi.
Another good what if vid could be what if Joffrey was a gd king?
You look like the dark-ale version of Kingslayer
What if Melisandre did burn Gendry... but he didn't burn? IE Robert Baratheon had inherited the blood of the dragon and passed it on the Gendry
Great theory never even thought of this one lmao
What if Theros went back to Kings Landing and brought back King Robert
Oo00oo I like it!
What if Bronn and The Hound actually fought before the bells started ringing in the Blackwater battle episode?
Greetings Ser Kevin! Gonna try my fav scenario suggestion again: If Tyrion was NOT born a dwarf? I KNOW you like the idea!! :D
cheers!
Overall from what I'm getting is things go for the better. I don't know for sure what Tywin would have done about Dany but I don't think he would want another war. He is definitely not giving up the Throne especially since he'll be able to mold Tommen however he wants. I'm curious what Margaery would have thought and done about Dany coming to Westeros.
What if Lysa Arryn pushed Sansa out of the moon door?
Can you do a video about what happened to the gold of the Reynes and Tarbecks
Hi, this is one of my favourite ASOIAF channels. There is one fantasy question I wanted to put out there. If there is one character that could be resurrected who would you want it to be? I want to see Robert swing his legendary war hammer with all his fury at least once on the show. Gods!!! That would be quite a sight. I am in no way theorising this would happen, it's just a fantasy and since magic has returned to Westeros, you never know.
What if Doran Martell and Myrcella Baratheon weren't killed?
In the books version they are still very much alive.
king boeski Read the books.
What if Lysa Aaron waited for Jammie Lannister for the trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister?
I understand why she let jaime go because as a mother she wants her kids back she didnt want her daughter living with the Lannisters not knowing how they were being treated. Also she wanted the war to just go ahead and end and she knows that in wars people die and she knew it was possible that Robb could die (its war after all) and she didn't want that she just wanted to be home with her children living in peace.
No it's cause she's a women !!!! That was sooo dumb
Here's one idea: What if Daario came along with Denerys to Westeros? :)
So much pleasure would be had
But Jon would totally win her heart still.
Gah could still change a lot
I have to disagree with this.
First, I'll address the military aspect of this.The thing about the Karstarks staying with Robb, is that it's a HUGE advantage. Robb won the majority of his battles because he effectively utilized his cavalry, of which the Karstarks made up a great portion of, to overwhelm and destroy his enemies. When he died at the Red Wedding, he'd already crushed 2/3 of the Lannister's total forces. So, the Lannister army that is left is basically about as large as Robb's and they do not have the cavalry or the tacticians necessary in order to defeat the Starks. The only tactician they have which could possibly beat the Starks is Randyll Tarly. However, the issue with that is that it requires the Tyrells to fork over the only good commander they have, which would leave them exposed to Stannis Baratheon and his large force of cavalry.
Next, let's address the nature of all the houses involved. First we have the Freys, who have been betrayed and are opportunists. Unfortunately, the Freys have to know that their army is garbage. Sure, they have a lot of men, but based off how the Siege of Riverrun was going before Jaime came, they don't have any competent men to lead the army. So, if they openly rebel, then they just end up besieged in their castle until they eventually starve to death, or they get cut down in open battle.
Then, there's the Boltons. Do they hate the Starks, yes. Do they, in this case, have to necessary manpower to survive if they kill Robb Stark? No. Unless they betrayed the Starks in open battle, they don't stand a chance. Even if they do that, they don't have the numbers in order to hold off a Stark army prepared for battle, as we have seen the Lannisters consistently get wiped out too fast in order to a Bolton betrayal to be effective.
Next we have the Lannisters, who we already established cannot beat the Stark Army. Do they have have political power, sure. Are they great plotters and schemers, yes. Does any of that matter if Jaime Lannister would die in the end and leave Tyrion as the heir to House Lannister, no. As soon as Tywin realizes that he cannot stop Robb Stark, he would try and negotiate with the Starks in order to end the war, granting the Riverlands and North independence. Otherwise, House Lannister dies out in Tywin's eyes, because Tyrion is the heir.
Finally, we have the Tyrells. If the Lannisters have the Tyrells then sure, maybe they can hold off the Starks, but the problem is the Tyrells themselves are opportunists. If they send away Randyll and some of their own soldiers, then there's a good chance Stannis uses his holdings in the Stormlands to attack the Tyrells, which would end up getting a large portion of the Tyrell army destroyed. If they send most their forces to stop Robb, reminiscent of the Battle of the Blackwater, then Stannis definitely goes HAM on the Reach and starts wiping out every minor holding.
I guess for a side note, maybe the Greyjoys could work with the Lannisters, but let's face it, it's Balon Greyjoy leading them. He's a screw up with basically 0 tactical prowess. He would mess up any plans he tried to carry out, and like I said, Jaime is at stake. The Greyjoys don't care, but Tywin does. So long as the Starks have Jaime held hostage, they have Tywin in a position to surrender.
Now, let me just wrap it up by saying this. You can't just say "Robb would die somehow anyways." That doesn't explain anything to us, and we're just going off blind assumption without any base for a situation in which Robb could get betrayed and Jaime doesn't die immediately. Just because Tywin has a reputation for getting even, doesn't mean that he has the means to do anything to get even with Robb Stark. It doesn't matter how good of a poker player Tywin is, if Robb Stark is holding a royal flush Tywin's not going to beat Robb Stark that round.
What if Aerys dies at duskendale, or what if Arya dies at Darry because of the Wolf incident, or if the siege of Riverrun fails
What if: Tywin Lannister had chosen a side in Robert's rebelion?
Video idea. Explained... How significant or insignificant is baby Sam to the future of Westeros?
I love it! I'll give it a go!
Suggestion here: What if Daenerys didn’t listen to Tyrion about his strategy (which failed since the Reach, Dorne and the Iron Islands were lost). What if Dany listened to Ellaria Sand, Olenna and Yara and attacked King’s Landing right away?
I could see Dany using her and Yara’s fleet and have one dragon protecting it to siege King’s Landing from the Blackwater, while the Tyrell and Dornish Armies march for the walls of King’s Landing. How would that have played out?
Anyone else chuckle at... “Jamie’s right hand man” ? Too soon?
It is likely the Freys were going to betray Robb Stark once Cat arrived at the Twins. In welcoming Cat, he said the words "Mayhaps". In the game of "lord of the crossing" the players would make all sort of binding promises, but if you say "mayhaps" anywhere in the negotiation - the binding promises were void. He did not want Rob or Cat there, he was not getting anything out of it - he expected Robb to lose. I would not put it past him to start planning the "Red Wedding" right then and there, the fact Rob found someone else and Tywin's promises were too delicious. I would not put it past him to kill off one of his daughters.
What if Cercei gave Tommen essence of nightshade at the battle of the blackwater. (Tommen dead, purple wedding not happen? What would seven kingdoms be like?)
right at that time , robb had decided to attack casterly rock. i wish you would have metioned how that battle was gonna be like .
What is Tywin Lannister had taken the Iron Throne after the sacking of Kings Landing??
II still want to see "What if Robb had met with Renly and Catelyn had gone home?" This would likely include Jaime not being freed but it also likely would have meant Baelish not going to Renly's camp and making alliance with the Tyrells. Also where does Brienne go? Is Catelyn at Winterfell when Theon attacks and if so do things play out differently? Would at least some of the lords of the Stormlands side with Robb?
what If Alliser Thorne joined Jon,s quest at hardhome ? (and see what the nightking did )
Also how do you think Tywin would react to a wraith(if she was in cercei's spot during that meeting)
How about this: After taking Winterfell, what if Theon makes it to the wall and joins the Night's Watch? (as Maester Luwin suggested)
What if Jon Snow knew his bloodline since his childhood? (sorry for the errors, I speak french) 🙄😂
What if: In S1.E1. When Ned and all his boys are there to behead the Night's Watch deserter, rather than behead him go to the Wall to warn Benjen about it and then wage war then instead.
What if Sansa told the truth about what happen about what happen at the Trident with Arya and Joffrey?
What if Jon & friends just ran with gendry with the weight? What if dany listened to tyrion & never went beyond the wall? What if she only brought drogon beyond the wall?
I think Blackfish was more calling their bluff than not caring about Edmure
I don't think Tywin would risk losing Tyrion with Jaime captured/dead.
What if Sansa had not escaped after Joffery's Murder/Purple Wedding?
What if Brianne got Jamie to kings landing and found out the Lannister’s did not have Aria? Since she was suppose to trade for both daughters what would Brianne have done?
would tywin have believed jon and actually sent his soldiers north to defend against the night king if he had survived?
What if arya killed Joffrey with his sword in season 1
One major impact of Jaime's death is Tyrion becomes without a doubt Tywin's heir. Jaime's death kills all of Tywin's hope that Jaime will eventually leave the Kingsguard, wed and become the next Lord of Casterly Rock. That could mean Tyrion's trial goes differently, but depending on when Tywin learns Jaime is dead, that could change all of Tywin's plans for Tyrion before that point. Would Tywin want Sansa as Lady of Casterly Rock after he's gone? So perhaps a different marriage for Tyrion and Sansa is married to whatever other Lannister is available - maybe Tywin Frey to secure Riverrun for Genna's decedents. Or, Tyrion could have been sent back to the Westerlands before Joffrey's wedding even with Sansa if the wedding already happened. Another possibility is Tywin decides there's no way he wants Tyrion as his heir (or Lancel) and decides to remarry.
Works out very well for tyrian
What if Arya Stark uses her 3 death wishes more wisely?
What if Daemon the First Blackfyre won the Battle of the Red Grass Field and took the Iron Throne
I thought Robb wanted to cross the twins to go north, I think the Red Wedding still happens
what if Rhaella's original stillborn daughter Shaena and sons Daeron, Aegon, and Jaehaerys lived?