Tenacity and Triclopyr 4 - Real Deal Unsponsored Results
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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We tested the results of Tenacity and Alligare Triclopyr 4 over the course of a 3-week trial. Our lawn was suffering from Wild Violet, Clover, Crabgrass, Bermuda and Dallisgrass. The Tenacity and Tripcloyr did a great job of killing off the unwanted weeds so that we could properly overseed the lawn.
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Notes about seeding: Tenacity is safe to use before, during or after overseeding a fescue lawn. Alligare's Triclopyr requires a 3 week wait time after your last application before you can seed.
We are happy with the results of both products. The Triclopyr 4 works insanely fast on clover. It seriously kills it in less than 24 hours. The Tenacity takes a couple of weeks to start showing results but is really fun to watch as it starves the weeds from chlorophyll, which leads them to their demise.
Our test plot video will be release soon. Stay tuned!
Thanks for watching! -BTWG
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Came for the 3rd Gen 4runner...left realizing how little I know about yard maintenance. Good stuff, man!
Hahaha thanks again!
Nice job & review. I live in Hickory, NC and I’ve found that Speedzone works really well for me as a post-emergent on my turf type tall fescue. I have serious problems with the creeping Charlie & clover as well and it clears up most weeds within a week. May be worth checking out. Good work and content.
I appreciate that! Yeah I love Speedzone as well. It's a great product
Do you have a video of what you do for summer care? Do you water , how often do you mow , and things like that ? Awesome vids. Looks like you have a lot of good content
Thank you. Only suggestion I would make is changing spray nozzles. I swapped the nozzle like yours with the teejet fan nozzle. It’s a huge difference. Instead of all the movement of the sprayer you’re just walking along like cutting the lawn, it’s putting down a 4 foot wide mist like spray very evenly. It’s a lot less work with the changing nozzles.
That's a great suggestion and something I have been meaning to do. I appreciate it and good luck with this season!
Thank you for posting this helpful video
You are welcome. Hope it helped
I know this video is 3 years old but, I started watching when you mentioned NC. I live in Winston-Salem and was very interested to learn that this combination of herbicides will kill or at least torture bermuda grass and dallisgrass without harming tall fescue. The only solution to dallisgrass I've been told is a shovel or glyphosate. Since bahiagrass is the evil twin to dallisgrass, I wonder if it will work on that too? I have several customers yards that are infested with bahiagrass in tall fescue. For the other weeds you mentioned, (wild violets) I've used several 3 way herbicides with good results.
just an update, tenacity is starting to work, huge improvement 10 days on , watered and cut lawn, will apply 2nd dose after 17 days from initial application, will keep you updated, being patient is certainly key.
Thanks for the update! Hang int there it will get even better
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Can you use speedzone and tenacity together?
Yes
Where did you get your mix ratio for Tryclopyr 4? The bottle says maximum application rate is 2-4 pints per 100 gallons. So that’s just .64 ounces per gallon max.
So your 10 ounces per 5 gallons is 300% of maximum application ratio.
When mixing that high I believe the concern is ground water infiltration.
It does seem that I was heavy with the mix, although I sprayed lightly. The ground water infiltration makes sense. I'll mix at the recommended app rate moving forward
The max rate for Triclopyr is based on the area sprayed; not the volume of water it’s mixed in. The water acts as a carrier, which means it doesn’t actually mix with the Triclopyr. So, this means that the person spraying plays a part in the application rate. Move slowly, more water is used, need less Triclopyr in the water mix. Mix lightly, can have higher.
For Alligare Triclopyr 4. The max rate on the label is 1.5 oz per 1,000 sq ft. (Many labels use acres. 1 acre = 43,560 sq ft. If the max is based on an acre, you can calculate the max for 1,000 sq ft by dividing by 43.56). Many of the YT lawn enthusiast use 1 gal of water for 1,000 sq ft. This would suggest Btwillia is using too much.
However Btwillia says he’s spraying 10,000 sq ft with his 5 gallons containing 10 oz of Triclopyr. That makes it 1 oz per 1,000 sq ft, which is below the limit. The label recommends 3/8 to 3/4 oz Triclopyr to treat 1,000 sq ft.
@aieahi1 I appreciate your breakdown, and it is accurate. Thank you
Very nice setup.
I know this is a was posted years ago but whats the brand and model numbers of the areator and seeder attachments you are using?
Very nice!
Thanks so much! It's a Jacobsen UM428 with a Ventrac Aeravator attachment and a JRCO spreader I believe. Here is a video I made of it. We still have it and it is going strong, but parts for the Jacobsen are getting harder to find
ua-cam.com/video/l0k8lqcUr0s/v-deo.htmlsi=3-_jwblPy5ApPFaF
@@BtwilliasGarage thank you so much, I will check it out.
So these stuff can be mixed with tecnacity? And can I apply the dye and surfactant? Is it better then speed zone or weed zone?
I'm also in central NC and just learned about wild violet after it absolutely took over my backyard. I had never even heard of it before. NC Agriculture extension recommended Tenacity for it, but it seems here that you're saying that the Triclopyr 4 is what you used for the wild violet? Should I change my approach? Havent received the Tenacity yet, but planned to spray it down on Wednesday/Thursday of this week.
Tenacity may have helped to finish it off, but triclopyr is the bomb for it. Buy both, you can spray them together. Tenacity has a broader teach for what it does but takes longer to work
Oh nice
So I found the instructions on applying Triclopyr a bit confusing. It doesn’t specify the exact amount of water to use per thousand. You said you used 10 oz per five gallon of water. If I’m just using a 2 gallon pump sprayer to spot spray would you say 4oz of Triclopyr then? Thanks! Appreciate the video!
Yes sir that will work properly. Thanks for the compliment. Don't get heavy handed the stuff works great with this mixture %
Great video. Can I water the grass the day after applying tenacity?
Yes you can!
@@BtwilliasGarage Sounds good ! Thanks again👍
Great video! Hoping you're still active here on UA-cam. I just moved to a new house with a large lawn (approx. 25k sq ft) and the weeds are outta control. There's good grass underneath but I feel completely out of my depth as I'm a total newbie at lawn care.
1. Is it okay to blanket spray this mixture over the entire lawn? In the video I wasn't sure if you spot-sprayed or blanket sprayed.
2. It's the 3rd week of May now and it may be the 2nd week of June until I'm able to overseed/fertilize. What do you recommend? Should I wait to seed in the fall and just fertilize my existing grass (KBG) for now?
Hey! Thank you! Yes, I'm very active just not able to post as much lately
1- yes you want to blanket spray this every 30-45 days or so.
2- I would definitely wait til fall to overseed. Actually I would just deal with the lawn overall this year and then kill it all in the fall with a heavy glyphosate mix (roundup). Kill the good grass too. Rule is if you have more than 40% weeds then it's cheaper and easier to just start overm you can aerate, seed and starter fert 1-2 weeks after you spray the roundup.
@@BtwilliasGarage Great. Thanks for the quick response! Won't blowing up the entire lawn be more expensive?
@@jay221982 Not at all. Get you a gallon or two of this and a good sprayer and it will die for less than $40 or so for 25k sq ft. Do you have a decent sprayer? amzn.to/3ucvvsY
@@BtwilliasGarage Yup..Ryobi backpack sprayer.
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What type of dethatcher is that. The red ride-on you show on the video
That's our Jacobson UM 428 with a Ventrac Aerovator attachment. You can learn more about it here ua-cam.com/video/l0k8lqcUr0s/v-deo.html
I've got wild Violet coming up in reseeded fescue. Can I triclopyr in the baby grass?
No you need to wait until the 3rd mow I believe. It will die fast just let it roll. Tenacity is safer to use on young grass
Hi there really liked your video and honest review. Quick question I didn’t take care of my lawn last fall and plan to mow, aerate, detach, put Scott seed, organic fertilizer and finish it with tenacity spray... is this ok ? Confused should I do just tenacity first to kill the weeds like u said in the video u waited 3 weeks and then do the detaching and seeding or I can do all this together? Please advise appreciate your help in advance.. thank you
I would honestly hit whatever you want to kill with Roundup since it cheaper first. Then mow very low 2 days later. Seed one week after spraying roundup. Then do all your aeration, seeding etc. Then spray tenacity after seed is down for crab grass prevention and to kill whatever is left. Thanks for the compliment
If there is enough good grass to justify using tenacity first versus roundup then that's ok too. You can spray the Tenacity before and after. 4 weeks apart at label rate
@@BtwilliasGarage awesome thank you so much for help and quick response.. 👏👍
@@BtwilliasGarage hi there... my original plan has hiccup as not receiving tenacity surfactant and razer blue spray.. I have weeds all over the lawn.. after mow, aerating, detach, fertilizer, seeds what should I apply to entire lawn to kill weeds replacement of tenacity? I prefer to buy some thing locally in home deport or Lowe’s now replacement of tenacity.. Ur help greatly appreciated.. thanks
Buy the most cost for effective "Roundup" product you can find at HD or the local store. Look at the price and compare it to the active % amount of glyphosate that is in it. That's the best route to go. Add a little dish or hand soap in the spayer and lay it on strong. It's cheap and will kill everything. Go ahead and spray some now and then again when your done. With scalping it and all.
I may have missed it, what was the date you sprayed? Im in NC as well, will probably use your technique next year.
I did the first spray around August 10 then I did the last on Sept 1st or so. Then seeded 3 weeks later since I used Triclopyr. You really should be spraying this mix throughout the year ever 4-7 weeks to proactively combat the weeds. Thanks for watching! Cool seeing another person from NC in the comments
Btwillia's Garage good deal. I’m a new homeowner so this is all new to me. Back in May/June I tried to kill off all the bermuda. Got maybe 95%. Yard ran wild all summer. I put weed and feed maybe 2 months ago. Got aerated and overseeded 3 weeks ago. I will definitely heed your advice on continuously spraying. Thanks!
Congrats on the new home! Enjoy the process. It takes time but is worth it
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Any chance you could post the brand name of triclopyr and generic tenacity you got? Or add a link to the description?
Yeah man, both are in the description, just click see more
@@BtwilliasGarage shit my bad, stupid youtube app!
Haha you're good! I should probably put the links at the top. Who knows how many people missed them and I missed out on my couple bucks of referral commission lol
@@BtwilliasGarageOne other quest, maybe I missed it but what's the mix ratio you used when mixing triclopyr and tenacity?
I normally use the normal gallon dropper for tenacity (I think it's 1teaspoon per gallon) and then I do 2oz Triclopyr per gallon and lightly spray
Whats the mix ratio for Triclopyr 3 ?
I would imagine around 1.5 oz per gallon, but you should check the label or Google to be safe. Did you mean Triclopyr 4?
@@BtwilliasGarage unfortunately no, I thought Triclopyr 3 and 4 are the same, I have Triclopyr 3
I have English ivy growing in my lawn as well. I tried triclopyr about a week ago and I don't see any difference yet in the English ivy. How long did it take to kill yours?
Mine is actually wild Violet. The triclopyr works very quickly on plants/weeds it's kills. Have you tried 24d or Tenacity?
@@BtwilliasGarage I haven't tried either of those yet. The problem is that almost nothing kills the stuff and of the few chemicals that do work only triclopyr seems to be safe for grass. I was thinking about trying speed zone too though just to see if that helps.
Speedzone contains 24D, so that's one. Tenacity is safe on fescue as well and is known to work on many different weeds. I feature it in this video you are commenting on
@@BtwilliasGarage I'm going to give that a shot. Thanks for the info!
Do you place the grass seed down before treating with weed killer?
You can, but I did not in this video. It works as a pre and post emergent
Triclopyr cannot be sprayed on seed. Tenacity can, but I would do it before if possible. Young seed is not as resilient to the chemicals
@@BtwilliasGarage Thank you! Yes I am using Tenacity 😁 Do you do liquid iron too? If so when would you recommend to do it?
Thanks again 👍
What is the concentration of triclopyr in the stuff you're using? Higher than the big box concentrates that are typically 8%?
It is much higher. 61%
@@BtwilliasGarage Wow! And you put 2oz/gallon? WeedBGon (tric version) is 8% and they say 1oz/gallon. So you're putting down like 15x the rate of triclopyr and it didn't hurt your grass?
@@frankposterello1628 that is correct, but keep in mind I'm misting it on. 5 gallons or 10oz covers like 20k sq feet for me. I believe that is close to the recommended rate, but double check. This was for a fall Reno, so I didn't really care if it killed any good fescue, but it seemed to work perfectly. In the summer I mix it a bit lighter if I see any clovers or wild Violet. I use tenacity and Speedzone for preventative sprays mixed lightly
Where are you located in NC?
A little north of Durham
Does the tenacity hurts the Bermuda grass
Yes it does. It will kill or nearly kill it after 2 sprays at proper application rate
Tenacity can only be used on Bermuda when it is still dormant and you want to kill crabgrass and weeds. Bermuda must be dormant or it will harm your Bermuda.
Whats the real english ivy killer the tenacity or the truckopyr?
Triclopyr works quicker, but has limitations for use (can't use before/after a few weeks of seeding)
You really want your fescue mature before hitting with a proper mixture of triclopyr. Start off with a lighter mix and see how your grass handles it. I do 10oz to 5 gallons and lightly spray. Add some soap so it sticks to the ivy
what is the name of the cut price tenacity competitor that you used
MesoTryOne from Pestrong . Com 🤘
@@BtwilliasGarage I LIVE IN THAILAND, IM AN ENGLISH MAN AND I JUST USED TENACITY THIS WEEK, [ BOUGHT ON EBAY FOR ASTRONOMIC AMOUNT AND WAITED DELIVERY FOR 6 WEEKS ] NOTHINGS WORKING YET [ 3 DAYS ] CAN I WATER AND CUT MY GRASS SOON, [ PLEASE ADVISE ] ALSO HAVE ENOUGH TENACITY LEFT FOR SECOND DOSE, I BELIEVE AFTER 2 TO 3 WEEKS, [ PLEASE ADVISE ] IF IT DOESNT WORK I WILL TRY TO FIND TRICLOPYR 4. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND RAPID REPLY.
Yes you can water and cut your grass after 48 hours or so of application. Tenacity takes around 1-2 weeks to start turning bad weeds white. How much did you apply and what is your lawns square footage? It sounds like you used a lot of have a ton of land if you only have one application left. Don't put out any more quite yet, you will be surprised at how well it works after a week or so if you applied it correctly
@@BtwilliasGarage I DIDNT WATER FOR FEAR OF WASHING THE TENACITY AWAY, I BOUGHT ENOUGH TENACITY, IN A SET OF FOUR DOSES, EACH PACK MAKES 2 GALLONS OF MIX, I ONLY HAVE 150 SQ MTRS OF GARDEN, SO I USED 4 GALLONS TO COVER ALL, [ 2 PACKS ] EACH PACK CONTAINS BLUE DYE, SURFECTANT AND TENACITY READY MEASURED FOR 2 GALLONS OF WATER , JUST NOT SEEN NO RESULTS YET.
I understand. You just need to wait a little longer for the results it sounds like. Best of luck and keep me posted