'leaping'... I didn't know that was a thing, let alone an ADHD thing. I have been known to solve complex troubleshooting problems by just thinking of the problem, and letting the answer come to me by relaxing and just letting my brain do its thing. Hard to put to words. Glad to find out it's actually a thing. Information is so soothing. Thank you.
Im 64, I was diagnosed at 50. Happy to put a name on it, but very sad of the lost time not knowing and what I could have done. Still struggling but now I know I'm not alone.
Diagnosed at 65. Intense grief over all the wasted time and unlived dreams in my life because I kept changing or could not do some things. You know. Time cards? Money managment? Ask me to put my hand on a hot stove! But also a relief because of the lifting fog. African proverb: The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today. Now I know. So getting help now. I feel lucky in my doctor.
What you said exactly at this time 23:00 is me. That Apple, fork and sponge thing. I always want to connect things and when I connect (or how to use them perfectly) I feel like I achieved something. I feel like Im more happy coz I succeeded something. But when I get to know that neurotypical people usually do this thing from very longtime, I feel depressed. Oh! What I learned now was already learned by a neurotypical people a long time ago and It's Ok.
Have you looked into the overlap of ASD and ADHD? A ton of new peer reviewed large research papers (fall 2022) have been published and have shown that each neurotype share genetics (over half genetic overlap) and the patterning in ADHD minds is an ASD characteristic rather than an executive function impairments which is what ADHD affects. I have learned that those with ASD and ADHD are also found to be way more sensitive to medication rather than those with pure ADHD. I am thinking way more of us have both rather than only one of the neurotypes.
In a computer science context, there is a "depth-first search" of a tree of data, and a "breadth-first search" (think going branch to branch vs going down from the trunk to a leaf on one branch), and then there's the ADHD-H "breadth-and-depth-first search" where you get a broad overview of something and then go "I MUST GET TO THE ABSOLUTE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR THING!" Which, for me as a QA person ("manager"), is really useful. I can't ever do the entire breadth-first search to completion and the depth-first search is too limited.
@Kevin White this is 100% my experience also. From a QA perspective, I would always see things that other (neurotypical) people would miss. I think this was because my brain was able to go down each rabbit hole all at the same time, or at least so quickly that I could see how things might connect to one another in a way that someone taking each step, one by one, wouldn't be able to see.
I am just learning that I too have ADHD and it explains a lot. So a math example from the 10th years of primary school. The way math was taught made me drift off, and I didn't understand anything I saw on the blackboard. I was so bad at it, that my teacher was tempted to fail me and my economist father gave up teaching me too, but there was a final written exam and I realized I had 3 hours and I might as well give it a try, and before I knew it I was actually having fun. Later, I was called in to the teacher to let me know I was the only one in my class to have solved every problem correctly, but also the only one who didn't use the methods he had taught us the past 3 years.
Super interesting conversation and I will say too that I find ADHD folks the easiest people to listen to in conversation - probably because I can keep up way better! So neat
I am only 10 minutes in and already you are talking to me! Timesheets - always late. Out of sight out of mind and too complex was the problem. So I made a simple version (top 6 things I do) and wrote it on a post it note that was stuck next to my mouse mat. I would tally whole hours. Then at the end of the week I had a calendar hour blocked out to do admin and I would use a combination of the post it and my calendar to 'make up' my timesheet. I figured my best guess was good enough! I could also visually tell if I hadn't done my timesheet by the number of post it notes left on my desk!! I don't drink coffee but I self medicate using coke zero and occasionally if I need a kicker or I have something I need to get hyper about then I drink a small quality of my supermarkets own brand of energy drink. I use my Fitbit app to track everything I drink so I can tell how much I have drunk each day. I try not to drink any coke after 3pm but definitely none after 6pm. (Hyper now as I need to go out in 5 mins!) Okay - I haven't gone out because I'm engrossed. Also LEAPING! YES!! I am a data nerd, I see patterns and solutions in data. I draw conclusions that other people can't see then have to go back to compile the evidence for them that is just obvious to me.
This episode was so helpful. I got diagnosed as an adult. I thought I had dyslexia because I read slowly (but test scores were always high). Once I got the Diagnosis of ADD Inattentive type, I tried medication. After a few fails, I got a good Rx. Amazing. A year later I lost my insurance and had to restart everything. It has been five years and different doctors. They try to treat me with mood medications (which do nothing except make me dizzy and nauseous) and they seem to think I am drug seeking. I have lost jobs because of time sheet and late-to-meetings problems. Medical community has not been helpful to this late diagnosed person.
Oh Marie is the developer for Llama Life! I had been meaning to check that out from your newsletter and now I'm actually trying it out :) This makes me think a bit of Owaves, which is a 'break up your day' kind of app and it sounded interesting but didn't jive with my brain at all. I kinda like the pomodoro idea but it's just too freeform - you just 'do what you're doing until it beeps'.
This is a great video for people who doesn't know what is ADHD about, and for people that think may have ADHD, it is very natural and it make sense. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I think I have it and this is very usefull!!
Self medicating with coffee team! Its the widely available and highly accepted stimulant. Its also nice for taking small breaks from work to walk and grab one or to change your working environment by working from the coffee shop.
Jesse, anyone else, do you please have an app, ONE app, that you could recommend to use for keeping track of all of life's projects, tasks, reminders, etc, in categorize into the big life buckets like Health, Money, Work, etc? Thanks!
I'm currently using Habitica. It's split into three columns: Habits, Dailies, and To-dos, and you can add checklists to individual items. I don't *love* the category system which is just a tag you can add, but I have found it works quite well overall. Fair warning though, I sort of rotate tools because eventually everything turns into a chore instead. Habitica is one that has come back around *twice* so I feel like it's a solidly useful app (and website). In general I find analog works better for my brain -- I bullet journal and sometimes use a kanban board.
@@bodine219 Thank you for your response. I will look into Habitica and those analog tools. Did you find it difficult learning how to bullet journal and use a kanban board? I sometimes struggle with learning new tools overall
@@toonnaobi-okoye2949 I think bullet journaling was pretty easy to pick up. You literally can't do it wrong because it's so flexible. I've been doing it for two years and I've definitely got better at using it in a way that works for me. I learned originally off of youtube videos -- Amanda Rach Lee's are great (but she does too many spreads for me). As for the kanban board I'm still pretty new to it. I learned from Heartbreathings -- if you look up "HB90 quarterly planning" on youtube you should find her videos on it. I'm on my second try and it's going well. My first I failed miserably lol. I almost always find that a tool is only useful for a couple months and then I have to try something new so I like to rotate things. Bullet journaling is the only thing I really stick to because I can just change how I'm doing it when I'm bored.
'leaping'... I didn't know that was a thing, let alone an ADHD thing. I have been known to solve complex troubleshooting problems by just thinking of the problem, and letting the answer come to me by relaxing and just letting my brain do its thing. Hard to put to words. Glad to find out it's actually a thing. Information is so soothing. Thank you.
Im 64, I was diagnosed at 50. Happy to put a name on it, but very sad of the lost time not knowing and what I could have done. Still struggling but now I know I'm not alone.
What she said about time sheets was a true "a-ha" moment. Relieved to learn that I'm not the only one who has that 'inexplicable' mental block.
Diagnosed at 65. Intense grief over all the wasted time and unlived dreams in my life because I kept changing or could not do some things. You know. Time cards? Money managment? Ask me to put my hand on a hot stove! But also a relief because of the lifting fog. African proverb: The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today. Now I know. So getting help now. I feel lucky in my doctor.
What you said exactly at this time 23:00 is me. That Apple, fork and sponge thing. I always want to connect things and when I connect (or how to use them perfectly) I feel like I achieved something. I feel like Im more happy coz I succeeded something. But when I get to know that neurotypical people usually do this thing from very longtime, I feel depressed. Oh! What I learned now was already learned by a neurotypical people a long time ago and It's Ok.
She's so beautiful and charismatic, please interview her again jessie
Have you looked into the overlap of ASD and ADHD? A ton of new peer reviewed large research papers (fall 2022) have been published and have shown that each neurotype share genetics (over half genetic overlap) and the patterning in ADHD minds is an ASD characteristic rather than an executive function impairments which is what ADHD affects. I have learned that those with ASD and ADHD are also found to be way more sensitive to medication rather than those with pure ADHD. I am thinking way more of us have both rather than only one of the neurotypes.
In a computer science context, there is a "depth-first search" of a tree of data, and a "breadth-first search" (think going branch to branch vs going down from the trunk to a leaf on one branch), and then there's the ADHD-H "breadth-and-depth-first search" where you get a broad overview of something and then go "I MUST GET TO THE ABSOLUTE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR THING!" Which, for me as a QA person ("manager"), is really useful. I can't ever do the entire breadth-first search to completion and the depth-first search is too limited.
I like this analogy. Yes that sums it up very well.
@Kevin White this is 100% my experience also. From a QA perspective, I would always see things that other (neurotypical) people would miss. I think this was because my brain was able to go down each rabbit hole all at the same time, or at least so quickly that I could see how things might connect to one another in a way that someone taking each step, one by one, wouldn't be able to see.
I am just learning that I too have ADHD and it explains a lot. So a math example from the 10th years of primary school. The way math was taught made me drift off, and I didn't understand anything I saw on the blackboard. I was so bad at it, that my teacher was tempted to fail me and my economist father gave up teaching me too, but there was a final written exam and I realized I had 3 hours and I might as well give it a try, and before I knew it I was actually having fun. Later, I was called in to the teacher to let me know I was the only one in my class to have solved every problem correctly, but also the only one who didn't use the methods he had taught us the past 3 years.
So thankfull to have found your chanel!
This talk has talk straights to me. Thank you Jesse for sharing this insight full interview. ADHA is a doble sword..
Super interesting conversation and I will say too that I find ADHD folks the easiest people to listen to in conversation - probably because I can keep up way better! So neat
I am only 10 minutes in and already you are talking to me!
Timesheets - always late. Out of sight out of mind and too complex was the problem. So I made a simple version (top 6 things I do) and wrote it on a post it note that was stuck next to my mouse mat. I would tally whole hours. Then at the end of the week I had a calendar hour blocked out to do admin and I would use a combination of the post it and my calendar to 'make up' my timesheet. I figured my best guess was good enough! I could also visually tell if I hadn't done my timesheet by the number of post it notes left on my desk!!
I don't drink coffee but I self medicate using coke zero and occasionally if I need a kicker or I have something I need to get hyper about then I drink a small quality of my supermarkets own brand of energy drink. I use my Fitbit app to track everything I drink so I can tell how much I have drunk each day. I try not to drink any coke after 3pm but definitely none after 6pm. (Hyper now as I need to go out in 5 mins!)
Okay - I haven't gone out because I'm engrossed. Also LEAPING! YES!! I am a data nerd, I see patterns and solutions in data. I draw conclusions that other people can't see then have to go back to compile the evidence for them that is just obvious to me.
Those are some good ideas..I might borrow some.
This episode was so helpful. I got diagnosed as an adult. I thought I had dyslexia because I read slowly (but test scores were always high). Once I got the Diagnosis of ADD Inattentive type, I tried medication. After a few fails, I got a good Rx. Amazing. A year later I lost my insurance and had to restart everything. It has been five years and different doctors. They try to treat me with mood medications (which do nothing except make me dizzy and nauseous) and they seem to think I am drug seeking. I have lost jobs because of time sheet and late-to-meetings problems. Medical community has not been helpful to this late diagnosed person.
Insightful & helpful 💜🧡 thank you
Amazing episode!
Oh Marie is the developer for Llama Life! I had been meaning to check that out from your newsletter and now I'm actually trying it out :) This makes me think a bit of Owaves, which is a 'break up your day' kind of app and it sounded interesting but didn't jive with my brain at all. I kinda like the pomodoro idea but it's just too freeform - you just 'do what you're doing until it beeps'.
haha yep that's me! :)
This is a great video for people who doesn't know what is ADHD about, and for people that think may have ADHD, it is very natural and it make sense. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I think I have it and this is very usefull!!
I've been dealing with that kinda fog the last few years it's rough
Self medicating with coffee team! Its the widely available and highly accepted stimulant. Its also nice for taking small breaks from work to walk and grab one or to change your working environment by working from the coffee shop.
I'm a software developer with ADHD that learned to program from UA-cam videos
Great episode! Awesome 🤩 Thanks 😎
So glad to see them hyped! Great episode!
Where is the time management section?!
While she’s talking, i kept saying she’s “me”Esp the feeling of “plateud” in terms of challenges at work .
patterns seem to be more of dysleksia thing, but dysleksia seem to be somehow connected to adhd as so i've heard
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What is ASD
Jesse, anyone else, do you please have an app, ONE app, that you could recommend to use for keeping track of all of life's projects, tasks, reminders, etc, in categorize into the big life buckets like Health, Money, Work, etc? Thanks!
I'm currently using Habitica.
It's split into three columns: Habits, Dailies, and To-dos, and you can add checklists to individual items. I don't *love* the category system which is just a tag you can add, but I have found it works quite well overall.
Fair warning though, I sort of rotate tools because eventually everything turns into a chore instead. Habitica is one that has come back around *twice* so I feel like it's a solidly useful app (and website).
In general I find analog works better for my brain -- I bullet journal and sometimes use a kanban board.
@@bodine219 Thank you for your response. I will look into Habitica and those analog tools. Did you find it difficult learning how to bullet journal and use a kanban board? I sometimes struggle with learning new tools overall
@@toonnaobi-okoye2949 I think bullet journaling was pretty easy to pick up. You literally can't do it wrong because it's so flexible. I've been doing it for two years and I've definitely got better at using it in a way that works for me. I learned originally off of youtube videos -- Amanda Rach Lee's are great (but she does too many spreads for me).
As for the kanban board I'm still pretty new to it. I learned from Heartbreathings -- if you look up "HB90 quarterly planning" on youtube you should find her videos on it. I'm on my second try and it's going well. My first I failed miserably lol.
I almost always find that a tool is only useful for a couple months and then I have to try something new so I like to rotate things. Bullet journaling is the only thing I really stick to because I can just change how I'm doing it when I'm bored.