It's because they have a "what do customers want, we'll build it" attitude, vs. a "you'll buy what we build" attitude that other companies exhibit. Plus their pricing has made them very competitive and really shaken up the market.
The whole sim racing hardware market has totally tranformed over the past 4-5 years. Logitech wheelbases used to be some of the best bang-for-your-buck wheelbases on the market. Now Logitech's G29/G923/G920 (and even Pro model) are the absolute worst value products in all of sim racing. I guess, it makes since considering the G29's base design is essentially two decades old. Thank god we finally have some competition and innovation in the sim hardware market.
And Moza as a Chinese company, it is much better than other Chinese companies which just copy and rebrand paste, Moza really build with quality and passion in BOTH hardware and software, and the concept and software are original which shown they really have the heart to build and provide good sim products.
This is HUGE for Moza! Landing an industry partner like Microsoft and being a legit licensed direct drive for Xbox at this price level is about to strap the rocket onto these guys if their business can handle it. I sure hope that it can, we could see a major swell in this market even more so soon.
This is why unlike fanatech they use partners first to help sell products means they dont have to deal with direct sales they just ship the product to the partners and get them to deal with the sales side, I hear at times fanatech can be very slow with orders.
Hoping that this ends up being the final nail in the coffin for the gear and belt-driven wheels. It's time to move on, next up, let's bring load cell pedals in the entry level segment.
Nah the final coffin will be when they have PlayStation compatibility and I can buy a PlayStation base and an Xbox wheel separately without buying bundles for each
I just got my first driver wheel in 39 years, and I got the R5 bundle. I didn't realise how much drive/torque these things have!!! I'm holding on for dear life, and it's so immersive. Awesome that they are releasing for xbox too, as this equipment gets expensive!!
Really appreciate the honesty at the end and letting people know that controller is an excellent option. I have a dd1 and still prefer to play Xbox titles with a controller as well.
@@chrisbruchak4519 Your comment is from the perspective of someone who hasn't gone out and tried to maximize their hardware and then having an opinion on top of that. For example, rFactor 2 and if not mistaken, Le Mans Ultimate, have integrated gamepad filter that, when set-up right, makes a gamepad very viable. At this moment, I don't have the words to describe it but it's like in-game wheel force-feedback. The game does the corrections for you so one, you have additional visual feedback of what the car is doing by looking at the in-game wheel and two, your inputs are filtered so that you don't just snap to opposite lock in an millisecond. For Assetto Corsa, there is an app that does the same thing called Advanced Gamepad Assist. Basically the same idea as mentioned above. Despite all this filtering, I actually transitioned well and very quickly on Assetto Corsa from a gamepad with gamepad filtering to a direct drive wheel with load cell. I recently finished 2nd place in a local LAN simracing event, only just behind an eSports level driver. I may have explained this awfully so of course, trying it out in titles in game works the best.
Glad to see more console compatible hardware. When i was in the market for driving sim hardware, dd1 f1 and gt dd pro bundles from fanatec, with additional xbox compatible wheel,was the only way for native conpatability with all consoles. Hope to see ps + Xbox compatibility more widely available some day.
I can't understand. After all these months and still nothing of a release. And no UA-camrs are talking about it. Moza don't give anything of information. Great stuff.
Howdy, I'm currently looking to upgrade ( from a g920) in anticipation of Forza motorsport on Xbox ( also looking at doing competitive racing).Looking at DD wheels. Do you think Moza R3, Csl DD or the Logitech G Pro? Also my rig will be a dd compatible rig and will be using your links. Love the channel.
I'm happy for more DD representation on the low end especially for XBox. Now I wish someone would release something for Playstation under the $400 mark. I'll never buy an XBox because all the big Xbox games are available on PC. My PS5 is basically a "Gran Turismo" box half of the time.
I'm with you there. I used to buy Xbox consoles for racing games only but now I don't need it because the games are on pc. I'm a pc and playstation gamer. But I play GT Sport , GT7 and dtiveclub on playstation 4 Pro. I'm using a T300 at the moment but if they release this bundle but playstation 4 and playstation 5 compatible but much cheaper than the €700 DD Pro kit I'll consider buying it.
Then get to work and earn some savings my dude... unless you´re in console this wheel is a nonsense to me with the r5 already on the market, what they should have done is made an alternative r5 with console compatibilities. Anyway I hope this wheel goes well in sales because that will mean that everyday more people are leaving their gamepads, and that will push the console developers to pay more atention in driveability and physics in general which we´re all agree, are far away from the best PC simracing sims.
@@carlosrey1331 I'm a college student and given my class schedule I can't work so yeah the other bundle are no go for me, and yes I'm on the Xbox, so that's the main reason why this bundle is very appealing to me
Returned my G920 while it was still in the refund window while I wait for this. So much more value. MOZA are really killing it in the sim racing market and ever since they teased a proper truck style wheel for ETS2 i've been obsessed! Always hated having to use a racing wheel to drive a truck
well the fanatec csl dd is the same price for the exact same product (except for the table clamp) but with 5nm of power (upgradable for 100 bucks to 8nm) while this one is 3.9 nm so it isnt really trouble for fanatec
@@julianvanderglas2619 It’s not the same price though. The Fanatec dd Xbox bundle is $479.99. It comes out to be $80 more without the table clamp that moza includes.
This is absolutely ideal for me, nice entry level DD from a brand I was seriously considering until I realised they didn't have an xbox compat until now! Someone with limited space I'm ordering the GT Lite Pro and this bundle, just hope the base fits? 😂
@boostedmedia oh wow, thanks for the reply! I have! Thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm a really new sub. First video I watched was the hyper realistic F3 race, blew my mind!
thank you so much for this in-depth coverage for the R3 and R5. I never owned a wheel setup before and you helped me tremendously to go for the R5 bundle and later down the line I'll eventually buy an xbox compatible wheel when moza decides to release one (I game both on pc and xbox)
Logitech wheels just have no place in the space anymore if this existed when I first dove into sim racing 2-3 years ago I would have 100% purched it over the g920 I now have on the self collecting dust. Hell I might have not have even upgraded to the r5 I have now. This new r3 is definitely a game changer for the entry level space.
I love moza i t a R12 and CRP pedals CS wheel and moza shifter and handbrake and a R5 bundle for the kids and i bought it at my local microcenter i couldn't be more pleased with my Moza gear its been amazing hopefully the R12 will get console support soon it literally has RJ connectors for everything on the back of the base it should be happening in the near future
Great to see another player in the mix for console. Lower peak torque than my trusty ts-xw but very tempting. Be great if the wheel was sold separately and the r9 had a pedal connection port to build up a stronger bundle. Great content as always guys
Great for the kids! Dont understand why they would go below the 5nm disign with a new product instead of making just like Fanatec a console version of the base model
Clearly the form factor is the limiting part here. They went for a much smaller base overall and on top of that, I doubt they need two identical products, one costing less money and being smaller in size cannibalizing the other one for revenue.
It's because it wasn't theirs to begin with. Moza copied that from SIMAGIC. Fact is they basically copy everything, and made it cheaper (which is good) but credit where credit is due and also where it is not
i'm happy for this bundle! one of my friend is looking for an upgrade from a G29 or something, i'll definitely suggest him this. from my side, i'm using a R5 bundle since december last year, no extra stuff has been bought, using the wheel from the bundle as well. since that time i've done about 500 laps road and ~8k laps oval in iRacing, and i'm fully happy with that. what i got from this review is that this R3 is almost the same, but with lower nm. and, it's just fine. 2 questions from my side: - what happened to your 4090, has it been replaced? - what kind of TVs are you using and with what kind of cables are those connected to the GPU? thanks for the great content! :)
I have the R5 bundle too, but I recently bought the R12 because the R5 is not powerful enough for me. However, I also bought the R12 for the fact that I enjoyed my R5 so much. So that bundle is great. However, I would recommend buying the brake performance kit.
Another thoughtful review. I’m on console using a ts-xw and I think I’ll wait out asetek. They said they’re waiting on chips to break into console. By that time I imagine we’ll know more of how their products hold up.
I have G25, G27 moved over to the xbox G920 and the G923. Now I have moved to the Thrustmater TS-XW. I just think TM is better for less noise and better feel.
I am moving from the tsx thrustmaster to the moza r3, I'll keep you in the know about my transition from belt to dd. I did start out with the g920(I called that wheel clunkers for a reason), that transition did improve my overall performance since it did reveal details missed by the 920. I am very interested how my personal experience is going to be with this transition. I'm going to get the clutch, brake tensioner and h-pattern later on, and maybe a hand brake(I hope these add ons are compatible to ac/forza motorsports and horizon/and I'll update if acc works or not currently.)
Ok… Am I crazy here or the led lights on the wheel actually works on Xbox? How did they do that? On Fanatec it’s not possible because something something with Xbox. I don’t get that… It’s also not possible to assign more buttons than gamepad has due to the same reason, while on my flying yoke I can do that without any issues. Another confusion. So i accepted that my Formula V2.5x wheel functionality is quite limited on Xbox and now I watch working lights on Moza wheel… great.
Hey this was an excellent review. Very detailed, personal impressions and all. Tons of valuable info that you don't typically get with other reviewers. This R3 does look good. Hopefully in the future it will be sold separately, for those of us that can't drive automatics and require a third pedal.
Wish I knew about these earlier. Bought a Logitech G920 + H-Shifter on discount off the recent Amazon sale (£200 for both items) AND modded them! Used only once for 45 minutes, awaiting a monitor for the new games room, but will see how I get on with them (and sim racing in general) before any rash FOMO uogrades...
I would really like to see an updated force feedback comparison between acc force feedback on pc and on ps5 - i think 1.9 has changed a lot on ps5 (and maybe xbox, too) since they brought 400 hz feedback
The Fanatec R2R bundle with the P1 V2 is $639AUD if you're on PC only. It's cheaper and has 1.1nm more power. TBH the wrc wheel is the same as the p1 wheel, but has xbox compatibility and alcentara rather than rubber on the rim. CSL DD can then be upgraded for 50aud to 8nm. There's no DD entry bundle as good a value as what Fanatec has if you're going on PC, and want the option to go that one bit further. To best that you need the Moza R9 and even then, it's not quite as good as the CSL DD 8nm overall
$400 for 3.9 NM! I would rather get the CSL DD bundle for that extra force feedback or get a G29 for much less. Needless to say that you could find a much better deal buying used.
11:29 by the way Forza Horizen 5 is simcade so a sim that focuses on gameplay namely how hard you can enter corners and make it.... Which Forza Motorsport 8 is coming this fall and is a full sim title in every sinse of the meaning.
@@boostedmedia Ah ok thanks and great review as always! But yeah we really need more sims on console in general especly know when sims are getting more accessible controls/interface wise.
I feel like anything under 5Nm can be compared with cheaper wheel drive manufacturers. This range of product is not made for hardcore sim, but rather more for simcade. Moza is not targeting the hardcore sim racers with this additional product. I mean, don’t get me wrong, great for Moza. They are building quite a brand in such a short time. But now they are sending a message that they are starting to divide their focus to a wider audience.
Hey boss. I'm a console racer and consider myself slightly higher than "casual user." I own nearly every sim on Xbox. Only difference between me and a PC racer is whenever I've ever gotten on a PC, things start to go wrong that no one can predict. I can't keep up with how to make different software and hardware work like it's supposed to. Plug and play (not talking about wheel settings here, but PC settings) are absolutely critical. I almost bought a PC this week, but didn't because there are too many acronyms and values that i can't quantify in my old brain. I don't know what I'm doing so I'm staying in my lane. That said, I'm as serious about my sim racing as any PC user. I'm not alone in this, and i think it'd help us a ton if folks with a big impact like yourself (and many others, for sure) stopped referring to us as casual users and not serious sim racers. This label seems to have reduced the amount of R&D that goes into an already limited compatibility with consoles. For 2 years now I've watched dozens of brands with awesome products come out and none of them seem to even consider console as an option. I know some of that is the restrictive interface that consoles require, but couple that with the view that console racers aren't that serious and i think you get my point about them willing to branch into that market. Even this offering from moza is bare bones minimum quality (comparing to their PC offerings) at the absolute lowest price point, and not something a serious sim racer would buy. We need more representation on our (dumb to PC) side of things. Also, a PC equivalent of an Xbox series x costs twice the amount of the console. That doesn't make a lot of financial sense for someone like me who can never remember which letter after the number on a graphics card is best. Just saying. I do love your channel and love what you do. Just this one thing, please.
I’m not sure at all how you reached that conclusion. I said in the video that it depends if you are playing more casual titles like Forza horizon and wreckfest or more serious titles like ACC. I didn’t say all console racers are “causal sim racers”.
@@boostedmedia yes, point taken. Overall you're the one guy that at least acknowledges those like me exist. I didn't mean to make it seem like you were being a total gatekeeper. I apologize. It's just that console user representation is seemingly always undervalued and underrepresented, in my opinion. You go way further toward that than others do, and thank you for that. I'm only asking you to go a little further because you're the one that doesn't discount us completely. So perhaps I didn't express that well. Btw when i upgraded to load cell pedal it made a huge difference, and when i finally (after a year) got on my wife's laptop and adjusted the range and everything it got even better. I can't compare that experience to a PC experience, but i can tell you the difference between the standard TMX pedals and the T-LCM pedals was night and day on console. The clutch is terrible, but doesn't seem like the are many clutches out there that feel realistic. To my knowledge anyway.
great wheel, great price but damn, shipping costs for both Moza and Cammus are absolutely barbaric... hoping for some reasonable retail in EU soon, to actually make a difference with Logitech, which is well established in EU, having their products even directly in my country
I'm not sure how MOZA was planning. Making the R9 to take over CSL DD(8NM) is fine, making R5 to take over CSL DD(5NM) with another size change of product is a bit strange as CSL DD is actually an 8NM motor with smaller power supply, and now the R3. Basicly open another product line in this short period, how could that possible? Maybe this is only possible in Chinese company, can ignore the cost of creating a new product line
Moza just keeps expanding..I think alot of us in the console world are forgotten about unfortunately, but I'm still in the dark in PS and now that fanatec has disc. the F1 podium I have no way to upgrade from the DD Pro unless I go Logitech G Pro which I never will with lack of ecosystem..I'd love the R12 if it had full console support, hopefully one of them will recognize us all Xbox/PS/PC as a whole just start making it standard. I know it would prob cost them more but really hope Asetek comes with console support but if they do I'm sure it'll be Xbox only of course even though I feel like there's more PS console users. Still we done addressing part of us console users
fanatec ready to race bundle still beats this easily with price to performance...2NM more with option to upgrade to 5NM more? A better ecosystem? Nicer looking designs? And all that for 50$ less? The clacking with the quick release can be fixed with a bit of tape and i never felt any significant flex with my csl dd.
Great video, I’m looking at getting this steering wheel to play mainly F1. I’m only getting into Xbox later in life, so a lot goes right over my head. I did try the controller, but steering was so hard, so touchy, can you adjust that? Would it be easier with the wheel? Cheers Marc
If they release more wheels to be compatible with Xbox, I may be going Moza when I finally have the room for a new setup. Right now Fanatec unfortunately gets my money, but there's plenty of time before I pull the trigger. If they release a few more wheels that are compatible with Xbox, I may just be able to go Moza like I want. I wanted to aim for the R12, so that would be perfect.
Great review @BM. Hopefully Moza can get things rolling with Sony. Tho I'm not putting much faith in Sony, as a PS5 user it's frustrating that Sony doesn't seem to do much partnering. If the opportunity does arise for a colab, it would do well for Sony to allow it to be via wheels rather than a commitment to a wheel base which would greatly reduce options, should a user or a PC player who may have a console want to use a moza system with PS5. Also it would not be cost effective to assume what type of power a PS5 player wants for the wheel base. Me personally would like to get the Moza R12 base and then choose a wheel hopefully at least two options. Then I could later invest in a gaming PC for non PS5 tiles or just a better ACC experience in general.
Who let moza cook so hard? Bro imagine they do a refresh so all pedals, shifters and handbrakes work to go with the "as long as it has a xbox wheel its can play xbox" excited for this for players who play pc and xbox and ps just swap the wheel on the quick release and usb switch pretty lit
As great as Moza has become over the last 2-ish years, I think Fanatec still just about has them beat in my books, mainly for the fact that their ecosystem is so much wider. And with the CSL DD being $199 when bought with a wheel and pedals, there's some very strong competition in the budget direct drive market now
I am so grateful that Moza has improved and should dominate the "mainstream" sim-racing market eventually. My extended experience with smarmy Fanatec--three failed wheelbases, a set of pedals, two shifters, and their hand brake. I don't care how big their ecosystem is, or even if they are almost giving everything away... I WILL NEVER BUY FANATEC AGAIN. The only Fanatec product that didn't fail me was their Clubsport v3 pedals. The last products I purchased from them were the SQ V1.5 shifter and their hand brake. Both began to malfunction within 3-4 months. At least I was able to repair the shifter, as the mechanical design is very good, but improperly shielded and grounded electronics cause repeated mis-shifts. I was not surprised when I heard about their DD bases having issues with their steering columns, and them falling apart. The most amusing thing, and as I again wasn't surprised, was a UA-cam content creator known for buying and modifying cars, purchasing a full Fanatec system--and parts of it failed within a couple of weeks.
@@ApexVGear I'd never heard about any of that before, the only isue i knew about was the QR being a bit wobbly. Thanks for pointing all of that out, it sucks that it doesn't get more attention
@@jonathan_0 It's the same for every manufacture. You sell enough kit and you will have a number of complaints. Just about all of us have an example where we can say "I'm never buying from company X ever again" but yet we all know that millions of others remain happy customers. For me that company is Thrustmaster but of course I'm in a minority - loads of people love their products.
Why do you think it´s 199... just think, is it because they love the costumer so much that they are giving it for such a low price or maybe it´s cause of MOZA, CAMMUS, Simagic and so on that are so competitive that they´ve lost costumers? Also the ecosystem is wide but outdated, 1st of all they need to change that damn Slow release and put a proper quick release in every wheel base and wheel and most important one, they need to get their shit together when it comes to costumer service, one of the worse i´ve seen, if something is defected or broken gj... at least with MOZA, since they have 3rd party sellers all over, if something is broken the 3rd paty store will give you the item brand new with no fuss.
@@boostedmedia Do you know if a cockpit that released 2 years ago and is advertised as being compatible with Logitech, Thrustmaster, and Fanatec would also be compatible with Moza? Do they all follow the same standard?
Just so we’re clear. It’s far better to have the security chip for the console in the base like the way PlayStation do rather than in the wheel itself because if Moza made a PlayStation compatible base, then you are able to use every single wheel they have made despite being made for the PC. Since the security chip is in the wheel for Xbox you can only use that wheel. Usually the base is not the part that you change. Normally people buy the base they want and then get a whole range of different steering wheels, but the fact you can’t do that with this wheel is a let down because if you buy this wheel you’re stuck with it
Before selling my moza r12 and ecosystem to go over to Simagic Alpha U, I had a bought a Thrustmaster TS-XW that my friend bought from me. I thought it was a great beginner wheel especially with the T-LCM pedals. How would the R3 compare to it on console. My Buddy Joey is definitely having fun so far.
question u didn't make it clear whether or not the shifter handbrake and other accessory's work on xbox with the wheel I assume the wheel makes them xbox compatable but just want clarification so I dont make a mistake in buying this
i'm sold on the Moza R3 with upgrade to the 12" wheel and maybe R5 base in future. I want to add the shifter and handbrake also. Along with the heavy spring and damper upgrade to the light pedal and the clutch pedal LOL but!! I can't find it anywhere. I guess it is not released yet. I want to get it asap how can I do so?
The absolute cheapest way to play on PS5 with DD is to buy the bundle in your price range. Either the McLaren Rim (499) or the Base bundle (399). Then you buy a DriveHub (90) and a Wired Hori Ps4 mini controller (40-50) and you’re good to go. If you get the cheapest bundle it’ll be right around $580 after taxes and shipping. This is what I did and it works great on GT7, it’s not complicated just hook it all up and turn on the yellow light on the wheel base and it registers as a DD Pro. Can also get a 8nm boost pack from China for $40 if you don’t want to fork over $150 to Fanatec.
@@butsargeee that’s a great advice. I didn’t know it was possible. And does this works with other bases like the Moza or other games such as F1 and ACC?
What about something like the Thrustmaster TSXW belt driven base for xbox. That is 6nm. Would that be a better option still? would it feel better? And why do the consoles give an inferior feedback and detail over pc? I dont understand why it should do that?
Simplified physics engine and diffierent protocols used for communicating force feedback details would be my somewhat educated guess. I personally prefer the detail of a weaker DD over a stronger belt driven base.
Can you not use the clamp to cockpit base so you get all four points secured. I want this bundle as my first ever wheel. But don't want to have to play around fitting to cockpit as don't have access to drills
So dumb question maybe, but are you saying that if I wanted to upgrade my Servo with the Xbox wheel all I have to do is get a new servo put the wheel on and I’m good to go?
It's just amazing what moza has achieved in the sim racing scene in just 2-3 years
It's because they have a "what do customers want, we'll build it" attitude, vs. a "you'll buy what we build" attitude that other companies exhibit. Plus their pricing has made them very competitive and really shaken up the market.
The whole sim racing hardware market has totally tranformed over the past 4-5 years. Logitech wheelbases used to be some of the best bang-for-your-buck wheelbases on the market. Now Logitech's G29/G923/G920 (and even Pro model) are the absolute worst value products in all of sim racing. I guess, it makes since considering the G29's base design is essentially two decades old. Thank god we finally have some competition and innovation in the sim hardware market.
@@TheBrennanSchafer saying pro are the absolute worst value is crazy x) clearly u havent owned one
@@TheBrennanSchafer There's no way the Pro are the worst. Agreed on the G series though.
And Moza as a Chinese company, it is much better than other Chinese companies which just copy and rebrand paste, Moza really build with quality and passion in BOTH hardware and software, and the concept and software are original which shown they really have the heart to build and provide good sim products.
This is HUGE for Moza! Landing an industry partner like Microsoft and being a legit licensed direct drive for Xbox at this price level is about to strap the rocket onto these guys if their business can handle it. I sure hope that it can, we could see a major swell in this market even more so soon.
This is why unlike fanatech they use partners first to help sell products means they dont have to deal with direct sales they just ship the product to the partners and get them to deal with the sales side, I hear at times fanatech can be very slow with orders.
Hoping that this ends up being the final nail in the coffin for the gear and belt-driven wheels. It's time to move on, next up, let's bring load cell pedals in the entry level segment.
Don't forget hall effect. Load cell can fail too. :) on the brake it just feels right though.
Nah the final coffin will be when they have PlayStation compatibility and I can buy a PlayStation base and an Xbox wheel separately without buying bundles for each
Na. The cheap Logitech will not die so fast. There are too much in the households and there are too many mods out there.
i mean fanatec has had the ready2race bundles for $400 and it has 5nm so the r3 is completely irellevant
Thats silly. Nothing wrong with a Logitech G entry level wheel for casual gamers. They work just fine and can take a beating.
I just got my first driver wheel in 39 years, and I got the R5 bundle. I didn't realise how much drive/torque these things have!!! I'm holding on for dear life, and it's so immersive. Awesome that they are releasing for xbox too, as this equipment gets expensive!!
personally i think it is a great bundle, enjoy! :)
Is this R3 responsive in Xbox in Forza ?
@@AhmMansurAputhe r3 isnt responsive on anything. It barely does what its supposed to.
Really appreciate the honesty at the end and letting people know that controller is an excellent option. I have a dd1 and still prefer to play Xbox titles with a controller as well.
I agree, games like Wreckfest is played better with the controller. But Automobilista and other sims I couldn't possibly dream of not using a wheel.
Anything beyond a simcade is trash on a gamepad.
@@chrisbruchak4519 Your comment is from the perspective of someone who hasn't gone out and tried to maximize their hardware and then having an opinion on top of that.
For example, rFactor 2 and if not mistaken, Le Mans Ultimate, have integrated gamepad filter that, when set-up right, makes a gamepad very viable. At this moment, I don't have the words to describe it but it's like in-game wheel force-feedback. The game does the corrections for you so one, you have additional visual feedback of what the car is doing by looking at the in-game wheel and two, your inputs are filtered so that you don't just snap to opposite lock in an millisecond.
For Assetto Corsa, there is an app that does the same thing called Advanced Gamepad Assist. Basically the same idea as mentioned above.
Despite all this filtering, I actually transitioned well and very quickly on Assetto Corsa from a gamepad with gamepad filtering to a direct drive wheel with load cell. I recently finished 2nd place in a local LAN simracing event, only just behind an eSports level driver.
I may have explained this awfully so of course, trying it out in titles in game works the best.
I got my R5 in January as my upgrade from a well loved G29. I LOVE the thing!
Would love to see a follow up on this bundle once Forza Motorsport releases , maybe comparing it to the CSL DD bundle for Xbox
would be interesting also because the FM8 compatibility list is "interesting" i'd say (on PC only the R9 is compatible from Moza and nothing else...)
I want this video
Pricing, quality, and all other things aside, gotta say: What a time to be alive!
Glad to see more console compatible hardware. When i was in the market for driving sim hardware, dd1 f1 and gt dd pro bundles from fanatec, with additional xbox compatible wheel,was the only way for native conpatability with all consoles. Hope to see ps + Xbox compatibility more widely available some day.
You wont. Consoles arent made to push to all this hardware. Build a pc.
Nice. I'm looking into upgrading to my first direct drive wheel from the Logitech G920. Thanks for the review.
I can't understand. After all these months and still nothing of a release. And no UA-camrs are talking about it. Moza don't give anything of information. Great stuff.
If they make r9 base compatible with consoles im definetly buying it.
As long as the Pedals Plug in the Base and u have the "XBOX COMPATIBLE RIM" it works.
You guys should totally do a racing video on dirt rally 2.0 in rallycross that would be sick!
Moza are my favourite brand for sure. I love what they've done for the market.
Yeah they are making the market SO competitive, it's amazing.
Moza is on lightspeed while fanatec tries to keep the stock up with old products, guess they sweats in France now
Howdy, I'm currently looking to upgrade ( from a g920) in anticipation of Forza motorsport on Xbox ( also looking at doing competitive racing).Looking at DD wheels. Do you think Moza R3, Csl DD or the Logitech G Pro? Also my rig will be a dd compatible rig and will be using your links. Love the channel.
@@snippidippi why france?
@@EdelOss1 fanatec is a French company
Wish there was a micro centre in Australia 😢
That would be so awesome!
Same here for the uk
Most in the US wish there was a microcenter closer too if it makes you feel better 😁
I live 15 min from a micro center I bought my r5 from there
Moza killing it while being evasive at the same time. Weird language to a simple question. Great for gamers nonetheless
I'm happy for more DD representation on the low end especially for XBox. Now I wish someone would release something for Playstation under the $400 mark. I'll never buy an XBox because all the big Xbox games are available on PC. My PS5 is basically a "Gran Turismo" box half of the time.
I'm with you there. I used to buy Xbox consoles for racing games only but now I don't need it because the games are on pc. I'm a pc and playstation gamer.
But I play GT Sport , GT7 and dtiveclub on playstation 4 Pro.
I'm using a T300 at the moment but if they release this bundle but playstation 4 and playstation 5 compatible but much cheaper than the €700 DD Pro kit I'll consider buying it.
Same here, 90%of the time my PS is pumping out GT7....in VR.😅Gran turismo cost me a grand
Blame sony and stop buying their products
@@justmeyouknow7649 the heart wants what the heart wants
I ordered the c5 2 days ago....I feel like i would've preferred this because of much more support moza has
I really want this bundle to come out.....this whole echo system is prefect.....you can upgrade over time and get all working this perfect.
Finally I can buy a DD, the other wheelbases were just too expensive
Then get to work and earn some savings my dude... unless you´re in console this wheel is a nonsense to me with the r5 already on the market, what they should have done is made an alternative r5 with console compatibilities.
Anyway I hope this wheel goes well in sales because that will mean that everyday more people are leaving their gamepads, and that will push the console developers to pay more atention in driveability and physics in general which we´re all agree, are far away from the best PC simracing sims.
@@carlosrey1331 I'm a college student and given my class schedule I can't work so yeah the other bundle are no go for me, and yes I'm on the Xbox, so that's the main reason why this bundle is very appealing to me
@@carlosrey1331 I mainly game on xbox and pc but the fact that this wheel isn't real leather is a hard no.
Returned my G920 while it was still in the refund window while I wait for this. So much more value. MOZA are really killing it in the sim racing market and ever since they teased a proper truck style wheel for ETS2 i've been obsessed! Always hated having to use a racing wheel to drive a truck
If Fanatec doesn't get their crap together and step up, they're going to find themselves in trouble. Good job Moza, keep it up!
well the fanatec csl dd is the same price for the exact same product (except for the table clamp) but with 5nm of power (upgradable for 100 bucks to 8nm) while this one is 3.9 nm so it isnt really trouble for fanatec
@@julianvanderglas2619 I don’t think you’re looking at the bigger picture. I wasn’t referring to this specific product.
@@julianvanderglas2619 It’s not the same price though. The Fanatec dd Xbox bundle is $479.99. It comes out to be $80 more without the table clamp that moza includes.
This is absolutely ideal for me, nice entry level DD from a brand I was seriously considering until I realised they didn't have an xbox compat until now! Someone with limited space I'm ordering the GT Lite Pro and this bundle, just hope the base fits? 😂
You’ll be able to use two holes but will have to drill two more if toy want to use all 4. Have you seen our recent review of the GT Lite Pro?
@boostedmedia oh wow, thanks for the reply! I have! Thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm a really new sub.
First video I watched was the hyper realistic F3 race, blew my mind!
I think the new Forza Motorsport and this one will be a nice entry point to the hobby for many!
Cracking review.Covered from A to Z everything.Thumbs up!
They need to sell the Xbox wheel ASAP. My R5 needs it
thank you so much for this in-depth coverage for the R3 and R5. I never owned a wheel setup before and you helped me tremendously to go for the R5 bundle and later down the line I'll eventually buy an xbox compatible wheel when moza decides to release one (I game both on pc and xbox)
Logitech wheels just have no place in the space anymore if this existed when I first dove into sim racing 2-3 years ago I would have 100% purched it over the g920 I now have on the self collecting dust.
Hell I might have not have even upgraded to the r5 I have now. This new r3 is definitely a game changer for the entry level space.
I love moza i t a R12 and CRP pedals CS wheel and moza shifter and handbrake and a R5 bundle for the kids and i bought it at my local microcenter i couldn't be more pleased with my Moza gear its been amazing hopefully the R12 will get console support soon it literally has RJ connectors for everything on the back of the base it should be happening in the near future
Great to see another player in the mix for console. Lower peak torque than my trusty ts-xw but very tempting. Be great if the wheel was sold separately and the r9 had a pedal connection port to build up a stronger bundle. Great content as always guys
Does the R9 v2 not have a pedal port on the rear?
the r9 on their site doesn't list it@@chimp2k2
Great for the kids! Dont understand why they would go below the 5nm disign with a new product instead of making just like Fanatec a console version of the base model
Clearly the form factor is the limiting part here. They went for a much smaller base overall and on top of that, I doubt they need two identical products, one costing less money and being smaller in size cannibalizing the other one for revenue.
Fanatec 26 years still on QR1. Moza only 3 years and surpassed QR1 in every conceivable manner.
It's because it wasn't theirs to begin with. Moza copied that from SIMAGIC. Fact is they basically copy everything, and made it cheaper (which is good) but credit where credit is due and also where it is not
i'm happy for this bundle! one of my friend is looking for an upgrade from a G29 or something, i'll definitely suggest him this.
from my side, i'm using a R5 bundle since december last year, no extra stuff has been bought, using the wheel from the bundle as well. since that time i've done about 500 laps road and ~8k laps oval in iRacing, and i'm fully happy with that. what i got from this review is that this R3 is almost the same, but with lower nm. and, it's just fine.
2 questions from my side:
- what happened to your 4090, has it been replaced?
- what kind of TVs are you using and with what kind of cables are those connected to the GPU?
thanks for the great content! :)
I have the R5 bundle too, but I recently bought the R12 because the R5 is not powerful enough for me. However, I also bought the R12 for the fact that I enjoyed my R5 so much. So that bundle is great. However, I would recommend buying the brake performance kit.
Moza are killing it at the moment!
yes and no have you seen the new fanatec bundles? they re crazy cheap
@@Leon83858 No reliability at fanatec .... without me
The casing for the r3 reminds me of the original Xbox. Love it, but I definitely prefer the look of their other wheelbases lol
Another thoughtful review.
I’m on console using a ts-xw and I think I’ll wait out asetek. They said they’re waiting on chips to break into console. By that time I imagine we’ll know more of how their products hold up.
You review is so detailed , answered all my questions
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching :)
I have G25, G27 moved over to the xbox G920 and the G923. Now I have moved to the Thrustmater TS-XW. I just think TM is better for less noise and better feel.
I am moving from the tsx thrustmaster to the moza r3, I'll keep you in the know about my transition from belt to dd. I did start out with the g920(I called that wheel clunkers for a reason), that transition did improve my overall performance since it did reveal details missed by the 920. I am very interested how my personal experience is going to be with this transition. I'm going to get the clutch, brake tensioner and h-pattern later on, and maybe a hand brake(I hope these add ons are compatible to ac/forza motorsports and horizon/and I'll update if acc works or not currently.)
Ok… Am I crazy here or the led lights on the wheel actually works on Xbox? How did they do that?
On Fanatec it’s not possible because something something with Xbox.
I don’t get that…
It’s also not possible to assign more buttons than gamepad has due to the same reason, while on my flying yoke I can do that without any issues. Another confusion.
So i accepted that my Formula V2.5x wheel functionality is quite limited on Xbox and now I watch working lights on Moza wheel… great.
Any news with ACC? Maybe a new video with the new Forza too?
I am also interested in this.
Hey this was an excellent review. Very detailed, personal impressions and all. Tons of valuable info that you don't typically get with other reviewers. This R3 does look good. Hopefully in the future it will be sold separately, for those of us that can't drive automatics and require a third pedal.
U can add a third pedal
42:20 we get a good look at the face buttons of the wheel.
On the Xbox what do the following buttons do:
LSB, RSB, RADIO, P, N, S1, S2, LT, RT?
Wish I knew about these earlier.
Bought a Logitech G920 + H-Shifter on discount off the recent Amazon sale (£200 for both items) AND modded them!
Used only once for 45 minutes, awaiting a monitor for the new games room, but will see how I get on with them (and sim racing in general) before any rash FOMO uogrades...
I would really like to see an updated force feedback comparison between acc force feedback on pc and on ps5 - i think 1.9 has changed a lot on ps5 (and maybe xbox, too) since they brought 400 hz feedback
FFB is "one" of the issues on console vs pc.
I wonder if Moza will seek out Sony licencing and produce a Playstation compatible version of the R3 wheelbase?
Is this wheel base now working on acc thanks
The Fanatec R2R bundle with the P1 V2 is $639AUD if you're on PC only.
It's cheaper and has 1.1nm more power.
TBH the wrc wheel is the same as the p1 wheel, but has xbox compatibility and alcentara rather than rubber on the rim.
CSL DD can then be upgraded for 50aud to 8nm.
There's no DD entry bundle as good a value as what Fanatec has if you're going on PC, and want the option to go that one bit further.
To best that you need the Moza R9 and even then, it's not quite as good as the CSL DD 8nm overall
$400 for 3.9 NM! I would rather get the CSL DD bundle for that extra force feedback or get a G29 for much less. Needless to say that you could find a much better deal buying used.
Do you know if handbrake + gear shifter will work on Xbox with R3? I heard that TM you need to choose only one.
is that better than Thrust T300/TX that have same power 3,9 Nm ?? is it worth to change to Moza R3 after TX ?
11:29 by the way Forza Horizen 5 is simcade so a sim that focuses on gameplay namely how hard you can enter corners and make it.... Which Forza Motorsport 8 is coming this fall and is a full sim title in every sinse of the meaning.
Yep. I discuss this more in the conclusions. We will definetly be revisiting when Motorsport drops.
@@boostedmedia Ah ok thanks and great review as always! But yeah we really need more sims on console in general especly know when sims are getting more accessible controls/interface wise.
I feel like anything under 5Nm can be compared with cheaper wheel drive manufacturers. This range of product is not made for hardcore sim, but rather more for simcade.
Moza is not targeting the hardcore sim racers with this additional product. I mean, don’t get me wrong, great for Moza. They are building quite a brand in such a short time. But now they are sending a message that they are starting to divide their focus to a wider audience.
Ha!!??
It must be said, to those who win in competition, with G27s and others, as well as T150/300s.
But basically you are right 😉
Moza adding many options for all sim racers. Im very happy w the r5 (but swapped out the pedals with sim jack pros)
May aswell get the fanatec bundle with the McLaren rim then at least you have the option to go 8nm later
Better options for pedal upgrades too (assuming you’re on Xbox).
Hey boss. I'm a console racer and consider myself slightly higher than "casual user." I own nearly every sim on Xbox. Only difference between me and a PC racer is whenever I've ever gotten on a PC, things start to go wrong that no one can predict. I can't keep up with how to make different software and hardware work like it's supposed to. Plug and play (not talking about wheel settings here, but PC settings) are absolutely critical. I almost bought a PC this week, but didn't because there are too many acronyms and values that i can't quantify in my old brain. I don't know what I'm doing so I'm staying in my lane. That said, I'm as serious about my sim racing as any PC user. I'm not alone in this, and i think it'd help us a ton if folks with a big impact like yourself (and many others, for sure) stopped referring to us as casual users and not serious sim racers. This label seems to have reduced the amount of R&D that goes into an already limited compatibility with consoles. For 2 years now I've watched dozens of brands with awesome products come out and none of them seem to even consider console as an option. I know some of that is the restrictive interface that consoles require, but couple that with the view that console racers aren't that serious and i think you get my point about them willing to branch into that market. Even this offering from moza is bare bones minimum quality (comparing to their PC offerings) at the absolute lowest price point, and not something a serious sim racer would buy. We need more representation on our (dumb to PC) side of things. Also, a PC equivalent of an Xbox series x costs twice the amount of the console. That doesn't make a lot of financial sense for someone like me who can never remember which letter after the number on a graphics card is best. Just saying. I do love your channel and love what you do. Just this one thing, please.
I’m not sure at all how you reached that conclusion. I said in the video that it depends if you are playing more casual titles like Forza horizon and wreckfest or more serious titles like ACC. I didn’t say all console racers are “causal sim racers”.
@@boostedmedia yes, point taken. Overall you're the one guy that at least acknowledges those like me exist. I didn't mean to make it seem like you were being a total gatekeeper. I apologize. It's just that console user representation is seemingly always undervalued and underrepresented, in my opinion. You go way further toward that than others do, and thank you for that. I'm only asking you to go a little further because you're the one that doesn't discount us completely. So perhaps I didn't express that well. Btw when i upgraded to load cell pedal it made a huge difference, and when i finally (after a year) got on my wife's laptop and adjusted the range and everything it got even better. I can't compare that experience to a PC experience, but i can tell you the difference between the standard TMX pedals and the T-LCM pedals was night and day on console. The clutch is terrible, but doesn't seem like the are many clutches out there that feel realistic. To my knowledge anyway.
great wheel, great price but damn, shipping costs for both Moza and Cammus are absolutely barbaric... hoping for some reasonable retail in EU soon, to actually make a difference with Logitech, which is well established in EU, having their products even directly in my country
Same here in Brazil. The final price, minus taxes, are almost double with the shipping.
Are the rev lights and additional buttons working on Xbox? Something that is not on Fanatec ecosystem but apparently is possible (Logitech DD).
The million dollar question!
If they fix the ACC Xbox compatibility issue, this will be my next wheel.
As soon as they have a playstation set up I'll be buying immediately no hesitation.
I'm not sure how MOZA was planning. Making the R9 to take over CSL DD(8NM) is fine, making R5 to take over CSL DD(5NM) with another size change of product is a bit strange as CSL DD is actually an 8NM motor with smaller power supply, and now the R3. Basicly open another product line in this short period, how could that possible? Maybe this is only possible in Chinese company, can ignore the cost of creating a new product line
I just ordered this one. Im just hoping its a significant upgrade from my g920
Moza just keeps expanding..I think alot of us in the console world are forgotten about unfortunately, but I'm still in the dark in PS and now that fanatec has disc. the F1 podium I have no way to upgrade from the DD Pro unless I go Logitech G Pro which I never will with lack of ecosystem..I'd love the R12 if it had full console support, hopefully one of them will recognize us all Xbox/PS/PC as a whole just start making it standard. I know it would prob cost them more but really hope Asetek comes with console support but if they do I'm sure it'll be Xbox only of course even though I feel like there's more PS console users. Still we done addressing part of us console users
The C5 is 7nm peak power. ;)
Cool offering from Moza though. I wonder if Cammus can get this Xbox compatibility....
Hopefully a PlayStation version in the near future.
It seems like a great deal, but for the price I'm still going Cammus when I go for my 1st DD wheel.
I'm pretty sure my csl elite has more nm than this. I guess its a good starting wheel but nothing id leave fanatec for
fanatec ready to race bundle still beats this easily with price to performance...2NM more with option to upgrade to 5NM more? A better ecosystem? Nicer looking designs? And all that for 50$ less? The clacking with the quick release can be fixed with a bit of tape and i never felt any significant flex with my csl dd.
All the brands just make it so hard
Honestly I can deal with the non interchangeable wheel of the Cammus, I would just prefer it to be standard DD form factor.
How about these companies lunch more entry level DD for PS5, always seem to be last.
I also asked them about a xbox r5 bundle and got a similar response. That i have to follow for updates on their website… hopefully soon
I have a question for you: fanatec clubsport wheel v2 and moza r5, which one will you choose? Or….
Great video, I’m looking at getting this steering wheel to play mainly F1. I’m only getting into Xbox later in life, so a lot goes right over my head. I did try the controller, but steering was so hard, so touchy, can you adjust that? Would it be easier with the wheel? Cheers Marc
If they release more wheels to be compatible with Xbox, I may be going Moza when I finally have the room for a new setup. Right now Fanatec unfortunately gets my money, but there's plenty of time before I pull the trigger. If they release a few more wheels that are compatible with Xbox, I may just be able to go Moza like I want. I wanted to aim for the R12, so that would be perfect.
This bundle is great if we as consumer can get hands on it too it passed early 4t quarter
Great review @BM. Hopefully Moza can get things rolling with Sony. Tho I'm not putting much faith in Sony, as a PS5 user it's frustrating that Sony doesn't seem to do much partnering. If the opportunity does arise for a colab, it would do well for Sony to allow it to be via wheels rather than a commitment to a wheel base which would greatly reduce options, should a user or a PC player who may have a console want to use a moza system with PS5. Also it would not be cost effective to assume what type of power a PS5 player wants for the wheel base.
Me personally would like to get the Moza R12 base and then choose a wheel hopefully at least two options. Then I could later invest in a gaming PC for non PS5 tiles or just a better ACC experience in general.
Who let moza cook so hard? Bro imagine they do a refresh so all pedals, shifters and handbrakes work to go with the "as long as it has a xbox wheel its can play xbox" excited for this for players who play pc and xbox and ps just swap the wheel on the quick release and usb switch pretty lit
As great as Moza has become over the last 2-ish years, I think Fanatec still just about has them beat in my books, mainly for the fact that their ecosystem is so much wider. And with the CSL DD being $199 when bought with a wheel and pedals, there's some very strong competition in the budget direct drive market now
I am so grateful that Moza has improved and should dominate the "mainstream" sim-racing market eventually. My extended experience with smarmy Fanatec--three failed wheelbases, a set of pedals, two shifters, and their hand brake. I don't care how big their ecosystem is, or even if they are almost giving everything away... I WILL NEVER BUY FANATEC AGAIN. The only Fanatec product that didn't fail me was their Clubsport v3 pedals. The last products I purchased from them were the SQ V1.5 shifter and their hand brake. Both began to malfunction within 3-4 months. At least I was able to repair the shifter, as the mechanical design is very good, but improperly shielded and grounded electronics cause repeated mis-shifts. I was not surprised when I heard about their DD bases having issues with their steering columns, and them falling apart. The most amusing thing, and as I again wasn't surprised, was a UA-cam content creator known for buying and modifying cars, purchasing a full Fanatec system--and parts of it failed within a couple of weeks.
Love to see it! (the competition)
@@ApexVGear I'd never heard about any of that before, the only isue i knew about was the QR being a bit wobbly. Thanks for pointing all of that out, it sucks that it doesn't get more attention
@@jonathan_0 It's the same for every manufacture. You sell enough kit and you will have a number of complaints. Just about all of us have an example where we can say "I'm never buying from company X ever again" but yet we all know that millions of others remain happy customers. For me that company is Thrustmaster but of course I'm in a minority - loads of people love their products.
Why do you think it´s 199... just think, is it because they love the costumer so much that they are giving it for such a low price or maybe it´s cause of MOZA, CAMMUS, Simagic and so on that are so competitive that they´ve lost costumers? Also the ecosystem is wide but outdated, 1st of all they need to change that damn Slow release and put a proper quick release in every wheel base and wheel and most important one, they need to get their shit together when it comes to costumer service, one of the worse i´ve seen, if something is defected or broken gj... at least with MOZA, since they have 3rd party sellers all over, if something is broken the 3rd paty store will give you the item brand new with no fuss.
Very informative. Thanks! Has this not released yet to the public or are they just out of stock at Moza?
Hasn’t been released (still).
@@boostedmedia Do you know if a cockpit that released 2 years ago and is advertised as being compatible with Logitech, Thrustmaster, and Fanatec would also be compatible with Moza? Do they all follow the same standard?
Just so we’re clear. It’s far better to have the security chip for the console in the base like the way PlayStation do rather than in the wheel itself because if Moza made a PlayStation compatible base, then you are able to use every single wheel they have made despite being made for the PC. Since the security chip is in the wheel for Xbox you can only use that wheel. Usually the base is not the part that you change. Normally people buy the base they want and then get a whole range of different steering wheels, but the fact you can’t do that with this wheel is a let down because if you buy this wheel you’re stuck with it
Great Video, how loud are the paddle shifters? The G923 was virtually silent for that at least.
Hopefully picking up a R12 soon (still saving lol)
I don't know if when this video was released, there wasn't a CSL DD ready2race bundle for 399. I think it is a better deal than moza's offering
Gotta love technology!
BTW THE CAMMUD C5 is 9NM not 5!!! If u check it yourself u notice it. Only the brand itself says 5 NM what’s doesn’t make sense I know.
Before selling my moza r12 and ecosystem to go over to Simagic Alpha U, I had a bought a Thrustmaster TS-XW that my friend bought from me. I thought it was a great beginner wheel especially with the T-LCM pedals. How would the R3 compare to it on console. My Buddy Joey is definitely having fun so far.
I'm waiting to get the r3 bundle but it isn't in stock. Love what moza is doing but they need to get stuff back in stock
What would you choose: Fanatec CSL DD or MOZA R3? I dont like the Quick Release of the Fanatec and i also want to play on Xbox
Why does nobody mention the actual weight of the base? I've looked everywhere, watched every review &.even the Moza site.
2.3 kg
question u didn't make it clear whether or not the shifter handbrake and other accessory's work on xbox with the wheel I assume the wheel makes them xbox compatable but just want clarification so I dont make a mistake in buying this
Microcenter is amazing I have one here close in Rockville
i'm sold on the Moza R3 with upgrade to the 12" wheel and maybe R5 base in future. I want to add the shifter and handbrake also. Along with the heavy spring and damper upgrade to the light pedal and the clutch pedal LOL but!! I can't find it anywhere. I guess it is not released yet. I want to get it asap how can I do so?
The very second Moza releases a PS5 version, my wallet's taking a hit.
Fanatecs qr1 and qr lite have almost become a meme at the moment, youd think theyd be scrambling to get the qr2 system out asap.
Any suggestions for a PS5 wheel? Currently the only option is Fanatec DD pro and becomes very expensive option
The absolute cheapest way to play on PS5 with DD is to buy the bundle in your price range. Either the McLaren Rim (499) or the Base bundle (399). Then you buy a DriveHub (90) and a Wired Hori Ps4 mini controller (40-50) and you’re good to go. If you get the cheapest bundle it’ll be right around $580 after taxes and shipping. This is what I did and it works great on GT7, it’s not complicated just hook it all up and turn on the yellow light on the wheel base and it registers as a DD Pro. Can also get a 8nm boost pack from China for $40 if you don’t want to fork over $150 to Fanatec.
@@butsargeee that’s a great advice. I didn’t know it was possible. And does this works with other bases like the Moza or other games such as F1 and ACC?
What about something like the Thrustmaster TSXW belt driven base for xbox. That is 6nm. Would that be a better option still? would it feel better?
And why do the consoles give an inferior feedback and detail over pc? I dont understand why it should do that?
Simplified physics engine and diffierent protocols used for communicating force feedback details would be my somewhat educated guess.
I personally prefer the detail of a weaker DD over a stronger belt driven base.
Dis you get hands on the new moza trucker wheel ? Or the one with circle display yet?
Can you not use the clamp to cockpit base so you get all four points secured. I want this bundle as my first ever wheel. But don't want to have to play around fitting to cockpit as don't have access to drills
So dumb question maybe, but are you saying that if I wanted to upgrade my Servo with the Xbox wheel all I have to do is get a new servo put the wheel on and I’m good to go?
A very respectable price for a very respectable wheel bundle