The AE86 came with a digital speedometer in Japan when the cars were first manufactured. If you notice, Keiichi's speedo is a little different, and you can see his reflection in the camera view of it.
holy shit, this is the BEST segment of racing that i've ever seen come out of best motoring/hot version. going 3 wide on the back straight was unbelievable! i've never seen that on tsukuba before. although, the way the S2000 was able to pass on the outside during the last corner makes me think he was holding back. there is no other logical explanation for that extreme increase in cornering speed.
Today's Honda will not be able to afford to build a racing car of the past. Automakers around the world are in the same situation in this regard. Even at that time, it was wonderful to make such a wonderful car.
@Sleepe00 Braking/acceleration control. People always seem to miss that the pedals aren't on/off switches. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people run off the road over-accelerating/braking... lol
Oh, thanks bro... i totally forgot about these ;) Not to mention that a Window is also some kind of door... So its a 11 door in the end... (I have no idea why they call it 3 door in germany.. but they do.)
anyone know what tires the s2k was using the last turn he took on the outside with high speed in the rain in a car that's known for oversteer that was amazing, and he isn't a guy that is in battles like tsuchiya and orido.
Exactly. The 16V 4AGEs came out with estimated 125hp. Those VTECs are all 170 + atleast. I really doubt any of those 4AGEs are anywhere near the power of those VTECs. Unless each of them happened to have formula atlantic or N2 spec engines. Highly doubt.
that makes sense. i was wondering why it looked like the s2000 speedo, but couldn't figure out why his 86 had one. i just figured it was weird lighting that made the 86 speedo look different. i would've kept the 4A
god I love the s2k, took outside lines on a wet coarse and still came out with a win. can't wait to get mine but I'll enjoy my k20 del sol till the spring ;-)
Yes, AWD will tend to understeer, and RWD will tend to oversteer. That has almost no bearing on how fast they can corner, it's just a characteristic of the drivetrain. A Nissan GTR is often described as having understeer, but it generates the same lateral G's as porsches, ferraris, mclarens etc. Understeer just means you're reaching the limit of the cars cornering ability, it says nothing about where that limit is. You only have to look to time attack to see that AWD is faster in the corners.
@powerofdreams666 i know theres a f20c 86, when i mean tech, i mean the suspension designs and overall body design of the s2k compared to a 20yrd ae86 (it has better traction because of that and so on)..... the CBY ae86 and ARVOU ae86 are still only 4ag's(1.6 liters) with just over 200HP, i say at least 40% of the battle was due to power and torque differences..... if its not so much power and tech, then what is it al about?? traction?? Layouts?? i still don't really get what u mean that much.
@hugonubario The ep2 isnt even that bad.. its even really good.... im serious. But upgrades cost way too much... So, which one would be faster... eg k20, or ek k20? I dont like the rear bumper of both
Show's how much you know about automotive...Anti-lagg aka backfire is only during shifting; holding the gas pedal down at a certain rpm will not murder anything. Some turbo users implement a small turbo to spool up the bigger one so they get the instant boost like you would get from a super charger but with out the parasitic effect a super charger brings.
AWD is normally quicker to 60. There aren't many cases when rwd will beat awd drive 60 and I have never heard of fwd beating awd to 60. My s2000 clutch has been slipping since I bought it, but I can still pull 5.5-6 second 0-60's.
late braking technique and outside take over. The driver knew how to use the s2000 quick and depended on the outside then super inside for fast corner exit.
I have yet to see a backfire off the line for boost...I like both personally, But I do like the freedom of boost you get with a turbo. I will never use a super charger for anything.
Im so glad the DC2 didnt win! It was soo slow in the corners towards the final laps.. He was blocking all the cars then rocketing out on the back straight.. The S2000 got the win from LAST place, goes to show the cornering/braking potential!
one of the 86's actually has the s2k setup in it. so its balanced out. remember, this is a race between tuned cars, and theyre japanese. theyre likely to downtune to make the race fair on that aspect.otherwise its no fun for them!
Did you ever have one with DOHC? Or just SOHC, because there is a pretty big difference. My stock s2000 beats out any stock MR2 or Celica by at least a second on the quarter mile and only half a second or less behind any stock supra. Put any NSX 97 or later into play and stock for stock, no toyota is taking it.
@powerofdreams666 AE86s lose in technology and the F20C has 250hp, thats just about right for a ae86. but whats more amazing is the torque of the F20C is just right for the ae86.... i know the s2k is a cornering car(is said to be faster than NSX's on last corner @ tsukuba).... i still don't really get what u mean...
@dualCranKy ironically before I drove a civic I always to myself they are crap that's it I realised after I drove one that they are good cars easy to drive and simple I prefer the EK I don't know wich one's gonna be the fastest one to me it's the EG because it looks lighter but I don't know could be an interesting test to do
i seen a plenty ae86 vs vtec battles....in this vid,, rain was your track advantage lol...sorry to burst some bubbles..lol ... all ways love to watch honda vs toyota battles....
Do you know anything about cars? 4WD does not handle better than a RWD setup, with 4WD you get tons of understeer, in a RWD setup you get a little bit of understeer then oversteer which means you can corner much quicker.
You can't just downtune a modern 2.0lt with 240 factory horsepower to be equal with a 1983 1.6lt that is producing 180hp at its absolute limit as a race motor. Now if they had GT-86s out there, that would be a real comparison because the horsepower gap isnt so huge. The S2000 still has more power, but the 86 has the more modern chassis. Should make for a good race if anyone ever organises it.
@AE86TougeRacer you said ae86 lose in displacement and power thats why i say one of the ae86 have a f20c in it and thats why i say look at asm s2000 its not all about power and technology about what technology are we talking about all these people rather drive without any technology and i mean that is abs tcs and all that shit
considering the 86 is waay older than any cars it raced against, it also had the smallest engine
hahahahahahahaha
But it has high torque at low speed, that makes it fast at turns
Keiichi comes in like, "what are you noobs up to?"
The AE86 came with a digital speedometer in Japan when the cars were first manufactured. If you notice, Keiichi's speedo is a little different, and you can see his reflection in the camera view of it.
holy shit, this is the BEST segment of racing that i've ever seen come out of best motoring/hot version. going 3 wide on the back straight was unbelievable! i've never seen that on tsukuba before. although, the way the S2000 was able to pass on the outside during the last corner makes me think he was holding back. there is no other logical explanation for that extreme increase in cornering speed.
Ah the good old Hondas... How I miss them. Modern Hondas are such garbage,
the old owner of Honda was intent to build a greatest racing car but now they only try to make some money.
Today's Honda will not be able to afford to build a racing car of the past. Automakers around the world are in the same situation in this regard. Even at that time, it was wonderful to make such a wonderful car.
interesting. i can see him being into that, having an s2000 powered 86 would be lots of fun and a perfect balance of power.
integra be like "dude were a team bro!!" xD
Maybe because if you'd payed any attention at all or read the description you'd realize that that particular AE86 had a F20C in it.
nevermind I saw the bridgestone potenza re540's but I can't believe the grip they have in wet, I wonder how they do in light snow?
DAT S200 was amazing, overtaking on the outside with so much more grip.
@Sleepe00
Braking/acceleration control. People always seem to miss that the pedals aren't on/off switches. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people run off the road over-accelerating/braking... lol
Oh, thanks bro... i totally forgot about these ;)
Not to mention that a Window is also some kind of door...
So its a 11 door in the end...
(I have no idea why they call it 3 door in germany.. but they do.)
anyone know what tires the s2k was using the last turn he took on the outside with high speed in the rain in a car that's known for oversteer that was amazing, and he isn't a guy that is in battles like tsuchiya and orido.
@hugonubario but there are also 3 door coupe's...
Exactly. The 16V 4AGEs came out with estimated 125hp. Those VTECs are all 170 + atleast. I really doubt any of those 4AGEs are anywhere near the power of those VTECs. Unless each of them happened to have formula atlantic or N2 spec engines. Highly doubt.
that makes sense. i was wondering why it looked like the s2000 speedo, but couldn't figure out why his 86 had one. i just figured it was weird lighting that made the 86 speedo look different. i would've kept the 4A
Anybody know the noise the EG was making at 6:51? I've never heard it before.
did anyone realize how short were the shifters on the EG6 sooo cool...
足回りの決まったアミューズS２０００しびれた。雨の中、アクセルを踏み込める仕上がりに完敗ですね。スポーツドライビングの楽しさは1.6〜2000ccくらいが面白いですね。バイクでゆう400ccのような感覚で、クロスミッションでブンブン回す楽しみ。大排気量やターボのように、ビックトルクで下から吹ける、楽しみとは違う味わい。どちらもアリです。
So many laps, so much vtec, so much rain and not a SINGLE scratch. Japanese drivers FTW.
god I love the s2k, took outside lines on a wet coarse and still came out with a win. can't wait to get mine but I'll enjoy my k20 del sol till the spring ;-)
Yes, AWD will tend to understeer, and RWD will tend to oversteer. That has almost no bearing on how fast they can corner, it's just a characteristic of the drivetrain. A Nissan GTR is often described as having understeer, but it generates the same lateral G's as porsches, ferraris, mclarens etc. Understeer just means you're reaching the limit of the cars cornering ability, it says nothing about where that limit is. You only have to look to time attack to see that AWD is faster in the corners.
Would have loved to watch this on a dry track!
@mirandooj But is the Hatchback also faster than the 2-door coupe?
They did produce the new hachi roku, although it is basicly a suby with toyota chassis settings and a pretty name.
the S2000 is amazing! how did he bring out so much grip in the final corner...
@hugonubario I wonder how fast the ek9 would ve been....
Knowing all the conditions of your car give you all the things you need to win the race..
even with it censored I still knew it had to be tsuchiya rolling up in the ae86 coupe lol
@hugonubario And what would be better? coupe, or hatchback?
@dualCranKy I don't know but
I know that the ek9 is not fast enough to keep with a integra gsr not enough torque on it
@dualCranKy sorry my bad! in europe they have other civic so I thought we didn't talking about the same cars!
and that's why I LOVE the S2000... passed on the outside on the final lap to take the win. best. car. ever.
@powerofdreams666 i know theres a f20c 86, when i mean tech, i mean the suspension designs and overall body design of the s2k compared to a 20yrd ae86 (it has better traction because of that and so on)..... the CBY ae86 and ARVOU ae86 are still only 4ag's(1.6 liters) with just over 200HP, i say at least 40% of the battle was due to power and torque differences..... if its not so much power and tech, then what is it al about?? traction?? Layouts?? i still don't really get what u mean that much.
wooaaah amazing overtake at the end from the s2k!!!!
I never expect this: a dc2 going fast as a s2000
interesting!
oh wow! awesome driving in the S2000!
@hugonubario The ep2 isnt even that bad.. its even really good.... im serious.
But upgrades cost way too much...
So, which one would be faster...
eg k20, or ek k20?
I dont like the rear bumper of both
@hugonubario Im actually wondering what i should get...
At the very moment i have an civic ep2, but its way too slow.
What should i get?
Ek?
Eg?
@dualCranKy I say hatchback for handling and weight if it's for daily drive you can go even for a 4 doors
Insane last corner move in the Amuse S2000!!!
@hugonubario I mean the k20 swap one...
The cars have been tuned, so don't worry about that. All the cars is in the same class in terms of HP. The AE86 weight is less than the S2000..
Show's how much you know about automotive...Anti-lagg aka backfire is only during shifting; holding the gas pedal down at a certain rpm will not murder anything. Some turbo users implement a small turbo to spool up the bigger one so they get the instant boost like you would get from a super charger but with out the parasitic effect a super charger brings.
the s2000 was beast! especially how it overtook the type r
Lol they do not swap Sr or Rb into a AE they usually keep it 4age turbo or 3sgte swaps itbs or F20 for lightness on a light body
The problem is that Toyota has not produced a serious sports car in a long time. I'm a Honda fan, but the AE86 is beast
Vtec 4 ever!!
AWD is normally quicker to 60. There aren't many cases when rwd will beat awd drive 60 and I have never heard of fwd beating awd to 60. My s2000 clutch has been slipping since I bought it, but I can still pull 5.5-6 second 0-60's.
@dualCranKy I don't where you come from
but here we have 4 doors 2 doors coupe and the hatchback
*Cool Vibrations*
late braking technique and outside take over. The driver knew how to use the s2000 quick and depended on the outside then super inside for fast corner exit.
I have yet to see a backfire off the line for boost...I like both personally, But I do like the freedom of boost you get with a turbo. I will never use a super charger for anything.
Im so glad the DC2 didnt win! It was soo slow in the corners towards the final laps.. He was blocking all the cars then rocketing out on the back straight.. The S2000 got the win from LAST place, goes to show the cornering/braking potential!
Ae86=drifting beast
Vtec= power
omg, beautiful win for the S2000
People need to stop hating on the vtec, it's the people who drive them that are usually pricks, the cars are fine.
one of the 86's actually has the s2k setup in it. so its balanced out. remember, this is a race between tuned cars, and theyre japanese. theyre likely to downtune to make the race fair on that aspect.otherwise its no fun for them!
I think you mean to say, power doesn't matter. Balance and handling does.
S2000 driver did brilliant performance!!!
how much power are they running?
ae86 w/ s2000 meter?
woow what an epic race s2000 finally got it at the last corner
so which club is the f20c ae86 in?
Did you ever have one with DOHC? Or just SOHC, because there is a pretty big difference. My stock s2000 beats out any stock MR2 or Celica by at least a second on the quarter mile and only half a second or less behind any stock supra. Put any NSX 97 or later into play and stock for stock, no toyota is taking it.
Anyone know the song title at :33 ?
@powerofdreams666 AE86s lose in technology and the F20C has 250hp, thats just about right for a ae86. but whats more amazing is the torque of the F20C is just right for the ae86.... i know the s2k is a cornering car(is said to be faster than NSX's on last corner @ tsukuba).... i still don't really get what u mean...
@dualCranKy ironically before I drove a civic I always to myself they are crap that's it
I realised after I drove one that they are good cars easy to drive and simple
I prefer the EK
I don't know wich one's gonna be the fastest one to me it's the EG because it looks lighter but I don't know
could be an interesting test to do
I miss the days when i used to have a DC2...
What do you have now?
i seen a plenty ae86 vs vtec battles....in this vid,, rain was your track advantage lol...sorry to burst some bubbles..lol ... all ways love to watch honda vs toyota battles....
it'd be awesome if there's subtitle
great race. i like to see the touge version of this. i think the ae86 have the upper hand on touge battle
passing on the outside lane is bad ass!!
Do you know anything about cars? 4WD does not handle better than a RWD setup, with 4WD you get tons of understeer, in a RWD setup you get a little bit of understeer then oversteer which means you can corner much quicker.
why does tsuchiya-san laugh when he passes drivers? ahahah
beautiful takeover by S2000
10:10, A wild S2000 appeared!
S2000 kicks ass
Hell yea
+Oscar Radikoro S2K driver took his brave pills just before that final corner, what a pass!
That AE86 with s2000 engine should be in the vtec club LOL
looks like they where having fun!
@dualCranKy Most probably, just consider the hatchback's weight :D It's lighter.
I would love that some of these guys teach me how to become a pilot.
nice videos mate.....
@AE86TougeRacer hot staff ae86 with f20c in it and its not all about power i think asm s2000 would show you that
what a move !
LOL... Tatsuru Ichishima gets PISSED when they mention the 86 with the F20C. Mr. Spoon is truly a hardcore HONDA head...
Hot Staff AE86 with F20C S2000 Engine??? why not the 4age Black top 20v for a 100% toyota car, and not a Toyo/honda car (Sorry For my bad english)
or a 1jz
@TakumiFuji01 lol yea the censoring was useless as soon as u see an 86 and a green race suit u just know who it is lol
You can't just downtune a modern 2.0lt with 240 factory horsepower to be equal with a 1983 1.6lt that is producing 180hp at its absolute limit as a race motor.
Now if they had GT-86s out there, that would be a real comparison because the horsepower gap isnt so huge. The S2000 still has more power, but the 86 has the more modern chassis. Should make for a good race if anyone ever organises it.
I thought yamaji was a pro racer, why is he always wearing that yellow racing suit?
Vtec club ftw!!! I wanted tsuchiya's vtec hachi roku hybrid to win, though, so that both vtec and ae86 could be the winners. Lol
Integra's rev is OVER 9000 !!!!!
Damn that DC2 revs like a Cbr...
Serious adrenalin rush
Orido : Over-steer?? I like it..
Id like to see more of that hot staff f20c powered ae86 when its not raining
(Last Lap) "The boy don't have the balls to pass me on the outside!" （゜◇゜） no wayyy...
s2000 out of no where!
@AE86TougeRacer you said ae86 lose in displacement and power thats why i say one of the ae86 have a f20c in it and thats why i say look at asm s2000 its not all about power and technology about what technology are we talking about all these people rather drive without any technology and i mean that is abs tcs and all that shit
Yes, even the 94-99 gt4's.