For any that don't quite grasp what they're doing in this video, here's an explanation: The video is about a modification to the transmission of their AE86. Specifically, what they've done is replaced the fifth (and final) gear of the transmission with a different gear wheel, which makes them faster around the track that they're driving on. The answer as to why it makes the car faster lies in gear ratios: Gear ratios are commonly described by saying that a gear has a ratio of "x":1. What that means is that the drive shaft of the engine has to turn x times for the output shaft of the transmission to turn once. When x is larger than one, the transmission is amplifying torque, but also reducing the turning speed of the drive train, when x is smaller than one, the transmission is reducing torque, but increasing the turning speed. Usually, the first gear of a car will have a high x value, because you need a lot of torque to get a car rolling from a stop, and the fifth and sixth gears will be so-called "overdrive" gears, where x is smaller than one, so that you can reach higher top speeds without increased engine RPM (this is good for fuel economy). The gear ratios of the T50 transmission found in AE86s are as follows: First Gear: 3.587:1 Second Gear: 2.022:1 Third Gear: 1.384:1 Fourth Gear: 1.00:1 Fifth Gear: 0.861:1 As you can see, the fifth gear is an overdrive gear. This is also the gear they've replaced. The replacement (the "3.5th" gear) has a gear ratio that lies somewhere between third (1.384:1) and fourth (1.00:1). They did this because the track they're driving on doesn't have a lot of/any straights, where they would need a high top speed, but is instead very technical and winding, meaning the driver has to do a lot of braking and accelerating. The intermediate 3.5th gear allows them to optimise their mechanical advantage for the track, meaning they go faster. The transmission is described as a "close(d) ratio transmission", due to the gear ratios of all the gears being closer together (relative to the original gearing); this is commonly seen in racing cars. The reason why they chose to replace the fifth gear and not put 3.5th where 4th is and moving 4th to the final gear position is a matter of cost and complexity, as it's easier to swap the final gear in the train with a different one compared to taking the whole assembly apart and machining all the gears to fit together again.
i have a good question now how long would it take to change the gearing in the gearbox can it be done on the fly by taking some tools or will it take a hour or two of work because since im trying to be a decent racer im trying to get any little advantage based off a course i can when doing so
dylan rebuilding a gearbox from scratch is probably a major job, if anything you should look into a already built close ratio trans, or just change the final gear at the very least
From my understanding it's acts as a wedge between the car body and the door. In this way it makes a structural connection between the two and as a result the door ends up helping to restrict some of the movement in the body.
Most of the video is about finding settings to get more grip to the rear. Drifting and optimizing car for lap times are two completely different scenarios
Oh come on with the memberberries.... 7AG was the best way to get reliable power and of course torque which is great for the street. They can always put road tires back on it. For the gearbox, fuel economy will be a bit down, but I think that keeichi is probably rich enough to afford gas. Oh, you probably wont ever need 5th gear on japanese roads too.
Keiichi is quick learner tho, the way he change 3 to 3.5 gear without mistake almost like he have that kind of setup for a year while that is only his first try A true legend
One benefit of this gearbox configuration is you can drive through the first 4 gears like normal and you have the 3.5 to the right when you want to use it on the straights. I wouldn't drive it though - I'd be TERRIFIED of upshifting into 3.5 from 4 (thinking it was 5th) and sending my valves through the top of the bonnet! It's really hard to unlearn muscle memory. It's amazing to see that Tsuchiya didn't hurt the car once with a miss-shift while one the attack.
well the reason for removing 5th was that he wasn't going to need it, instead useing a 3.5 so increase acceleration comming out of corners. and one bonus to this config is that muscle memory from the normal 1 through 4 gears wont be lost and you wouldn't need to learn to rev-match a downshift from 4 to 3.5 and then to 3
for those who are wondering how fast the times are, 2012 Nissan GT-R(the fastest car on the course until 2018) clocked 25.888 seconds on the same course, it was stated in one of the other videos
Initial D pisses me off so much. The only reason they are so pricey now is because of clueless takumi wannabes. And people like me, who just want one because it's a superb and fun learning car and because of tsuchiya are fucked
I agree, I was trying to say they probably designed that around the tsukuba layout in mind. Although I may be talking nonsense, it fits the track really well.
2:07 what a beautiful ratio!! Looks at the RPM drop only 1,000 wow! looks like you won't be low on power when you need it at high speed the ratios get closer meaning you can stay in the Power Band easier
I’ve been driving the gunsai touge on assesto corsa and I could see the value of having a 3.5 gear. I’m constantly switching from 3 rd to 4th on the longer straight always.
3:59 - Hmmm... They are talking about some kinda of "door stabilizer"... What that supposed to do there? Support the door against the torsional forces or just make the door close smoother? 😓❔
Nothing new here except for the silly gear pattern. Datsun had the 'Option 1' motorsport gearbox for rallying and racing in the 70s. It was also a 5 speed with a direct 1:1 5th gear. That gearbox placed reverse where 1st is in a regular H pattern and 1st where you normal see 2nd. That way, the next 4 gears that are always in use (2nd - 5th) we all in an easy to remember regular H pattern. 👍
The fact that he had 0 miss shift on the 1st try is freaking crazy. If it was me, I’d kept changing it normally like it’s still were 5th gear until I got used to the new pattern.
Generally, FF Hondas (or FF in general) don't need 3.5th cuz their gears never have a direct/1:1 ratio on their transmission so therefore they can make a close-ratio gearset that allows them to modify all ratios versus a RWD transmission which will have a 1:1 ratio depending on speeds (i.e. 4th for 5-speed, 5th for 6-speed)
For any that don't quite grasp what they're doing in this video, here's an explanation:
The video is about a modification to the transmission of their AE86. Specifically, what they've done is replaced the fifth (and final) gear of the transmission with a different gear wheel, which makes them faster around the track that they're driving on. The answer as to why it makes the car faster lies in gear ratios:
Gear ratios are commonly described by saying that a gear has a ratio of "x":1. What that means is that the drive shaft of the engine has to turn x times for the output shaft of the transmission to turn once. When x is larger than one, the transmission is amplifying torque, but also reducing the turning speed of the drive train, when x is smaller than one, the transmission is reducing torque, but increasing the turning speed.
Usually, the first gear of a car will have a high x value, because you need a lot of torque to get a car rolling from a stop, and the fifth and sixth gears will be so-called "overdrive" gears, where x is smaller than one, so that you can reach higher top speeds without increased engine RPM (this is good for fuel economy).
The gear ratios of the T50 transmission found in AE86s are as follows:
First Gear: 3.587:1
Second Gear: 2.022:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.861:1
As you can see, the fifth gear is an overdrive gear. This is also the gear they've replaced. The replacement (the "3.5th" gear) has a gear ratio that lies somewhere between third (1.384:1) and fourth (1.00:1).
They did this because the track they're driving on doesn't have a lot of/any straights, where they would need a high top speed, but is instead very technical and winding, meaning the driver has to do a lot of braking and accelerating. The intermediate 3.5th gear allows them to optimise their mechanical advantage for the track, meaning they go faster.
The transmission is described as a "close(d) ratio transmission", due to the gear ratios of all the gears being closer together (relative to the original gearing); this is commonly seen in racing cars.
The reason why they chose to replace the fifth gear and not put 3.5th where 4th is and moving 4th to the final gear position is a matter of cost and complexity, as it's easier to swap the final gear in the train with a different one compared to taking the whole assembly apart and machining all the gears to fit together again.
s i d e w a y s l i f e s t y l e
You are the real mvp
i have a good question now how long would it take to change the gearing in the gearbox can it be done on the fly by taking some tools or will it take a hour or two of work because since im trying to be a decent racer im trying to get any little advantage based off a course i can when doing so
dylan rebuilding a gearbox from scratch is probably a major job, if anything you should look into a already built close ratio trans, or just change the final gear at the very least
And what is the story about the doorhinch, what is the function? :)
From my understanding it's acts as a wedge between the car body and the door. In this way it makes a structural connection between the two and as a result the door ends up helping to restrict some of the movement in the body.
不思議な感覚って言ってるのに普通にシフトチェンジ出来るのが凄い
1:14 "Ok, let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
Nailed it.
PJ and the Craxfords lmfao
Shit are going real
5:14
I find this funny.
They fixed it
途中からシフトダウン時に3.5使わなくなったのはさすが
オリダーのタイヤについて
のアドバイスはもっともなのに
土屋さんの限界超えてからの走りがスゴすぎるねw
初めてのミッションで普通に全開できる土屋圭市…素晴らしい👏
俺でもできる
I love how he Drifts only when necessary so he can be Incredibly Fast. Is like watching _Initial D 5th Stage_ in real life...
Basicaly without keiichi tsuchiya, initial D never would have existed
@@LFCEVO24 really in which part or stage is that
I haven't completed the anime yet
@@supa_powa7490 First Stage
Exactly. While other people go for angle and longer drift I choose to use for speed and only drift when needed.
Most of the video is about finding settings to get more grip to the rear. Drifting and optimizing car for lap times are two completely different scenarios
ほんとすげぇな....どこまでドライバーとして進化するんだよ....
ここぞの時に集中出来る経験の積み重ね。
ギリギリの勝負時にアドレナリンが神経を刺激する快感。
土屋さんの適応力すごい
i like how this Thing don't Go overboard with Tuning. A real "tuned" ae86
Oh come on with the memberberries....
7AG was the best way to get reliable power and of course torque which is great for the street.
They can always put road tires back on it.
For the gearbox, fuel economy will be a bit down, but I think that keeichi is probably rich enough to afford gas. Oh, you probably wont ever need 5th gear on japanese roads too.
Jim Boum so you're saying there's no highways in Japan? Lol
Cristian 5 gears are not necessary to go highway speed
Keiichi is quick learner tho, the way he change 3 to 3.5 gear without mistake almost like he have that kind of setup for a year while that is only his first try
A true legend
状況が悪くなればなるほどキレが増すってヤバいな。
1:16 「スピードメーター見ないですよね」
ヤバすぎww
One benefit of this gearbox configuration is you can drive through the first 4 gears like normal and you have the 3.5 to the right when you want to use it on the straights. I wouldn't drive it though - I'd be TERRIFIED of upshifting into 3.5 from 4 (thinking it was 5th) and sending my valves through the top of the bonnet!
It's really hard to unlearn muscle memory. It's amazing to see that Tsuchiya didn't hurt the car once with a miss-shift while one the attack.
well the reason for removing 5th was that he wasn't going to need it, instead useing a 3.5 so increase acceleration comming out of corners.
and one bonus to this config is that muscle memory from the normal 1 through 4 gears wont be lost and you wouldn't need to learn to rev-match a downshift from 4 to 3.5 and then to 3
@@ValentineC137 Sherlock is that you?
"I cant drive stick shift"
"Hold my gear 3.5"
よく3→5、5→3の位置に素早くシフト出来るなー
土屋さんも鎌田さんも楽しそうだし、織戸さんも積極参加が嬉しい！
初めてでシフトミスしないって流石土屋さんだわ笑笑
癖で4速から3.5速にいれてエンジン壊しちゃいそう
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
This along with miroshi are the best channels I've ever watched, even though I don't understand a word of Japanese
If only i could understand japanese
well, I guess it would be best if you start learning now. lol
Johnnyboy JDM はろー
haro?
haro
あなたはまだ日本を学ぶことができます if you wanted too haha
サーキットが試験場みたいなことを市販車メーカーはたまに言いますが、本当にどれだけフィードバックされてるのかイマイチ実感できません。でもこういうのを見ると本当に試行錯誤してパーツ開発やセッティングしてるのがわかって面白いです。
natsubayashi 「ニュルは試験場」(トヨ◯)
夏林先生！
@@たいっちょ-z4d T○Y○TA
うっわ、本物だ笑笑
incredible to watch tuning like this happen in real life. never seen this immediate trial, tweak, test procedure happen outside of video games
俺なら絶対シフトミス連発・・。
yuuta akaishizawa 3.5→4でリバースに入れてギア破壊かなww
Jr K.A.Z 入らないように安全装置がついてるよ！
ヌベジョンヌゾジョンベルミッティスモゲロンボョ 俺は3→4→3.5になると思うw
SEXO ANAL AHHH AHHH AHHHH!
Jose Valdez Chávez
I LOVE YOUR ASSHOLE
ドアの件で織戸さんwwwついに壊れたんすかってwwwww
のちにマメ号が正式にこれ採用したからなあ
4:37, incredible Japaneseness
They don’t call him “Drift King “ for nothing. He’s a legend!
Where is the Eurobeat?
Asking the real questions here
in ur heart Bro
youtube comments asking for eurobeat everytime theres a ae86 in a video stupid af
@@y....01 just a joke from initial D.
De javu
2:44
0.5速のシフト飛ばし
Consistant driving skills. Wowser
1:11 if you turn on CC you'll see "Ok, let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
AE86最高やな……
金色の闇 確かに最高だと思う
それーな
乗ってる人見ると羨ましいって思う
車は良い車だけどね
仁Dのせいでこれ以上に乗ってて恥ずかしい車はない
-meffy -
ん？なんで恥ずかしいの？
5→4のシフトでヒールアンドトゥする癖がついてるから
俺なら3.5→4で確実にやらかす
ほんと鎌田社長86いじってる時顔いいよね子供みたいにいい笑顔してるそれにしてもえげつないな3.5かぁ
適応能力やばすぎ
そりゃ土屋さんだもんねw
流石です。
His 86 is so cleeeeean. I thought this was an early 2000s video until I saw the new 86s!
Well he has rebuilt it about 5 times.. I know I have one thay are constent work..
you thought tv programs had this good of camera quality in the early 2000s
Man, this video was the reason I learned Japanese. 6 years later there’s finally subs.
for those who are wondering how fast the times are, 2012 Nissan GT-R(the fastest car on the course until 2018) clocked 25.888 seconds on the same course, it was stated in one of the other videos
Who else comes back to this video just to see pure and a ridiculous amount of raw talent that many imitate, but never can duplicate.
I always thought he was the one who came up with this idea back in the days...
車で最高のチャンネル。ありがとう
結局セッティング云々より乗り手のモチベーションなのか
ファイナルがめっちゃ気になる💭👀✨
4.7ですよ〜🙆🏻
ファイナルで調整したほうが、操作に違和感はないと思いますが。
1,2,3,5を4速側に近づけるクロスを作って、ファイナルをジムカーナ用のローギア品にすればいいような気もするけど…
SUBTITLES, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SimRacingRic They have added subtitles now.
"Let me put a sticker showing new shit pattern"
Turn on captions
クロスミッションでファイナル5,1(群サイ)とかシフトアップが大変そう😂😂
Love that when his tyres start going away he gets faster. 😅
土屋さん凄すぎて言葉にならんわ
これ見ると、土屋さんってやっぱりストリート出身のターマック屋さんなんだなあと。
WRCでも、たまーに土屋さんみたいなタイプの選手いますし。
事故って走り屋辞めたって聞いたけどほんとかな？
Sukiyaki Man それはどうでしょう？とりあえず、サーキットに専念するために東京出てきたのは本当みたいですが。
土屋さんは、レースと本で食えるようになったから東京に来たって本人がテレビで言ってたよ
でもこの人ラリーは一切出来ないよ
土屋さん全日本ラリー出た記憶があるんだけど・・
Initial d 86 drift perfect
ドアのくだりすこ
AE86,my dream car,it's a shame I can't drive it in my life.
You can thank initial d for that lol...
I like restored cars so my pain is worse
Initial D pisses me off so much. The only reason they are so pricey now is because of clueless takumi wannabes. And people like me, who just want one because it's a superb and fun learning car and because of tsuchiya are fucked
バイク見たいな立ち上がりやね〜
I’m teaching myself Japanese so I can go there and buy an AE86 when I get a good enough job to afford to do that. It’s my Dream car
The driver of the ae86 is actually the real driver behind tokyo drift
郡サイで一般の人に混じって手加減無しのガチレースしてほしい
なんと言っても音が最高やな...
This 86 sounds like misical instruments
i will always love the ae86 for the fact that i know it will be the best one day
慣れるまで難しそうだけど、これはこれで楽しそう!!
Wow I am so lost, he shifts from a 3 to a 3.5, what..
They changed the gear ratio so 5th gear becomes almost like 3rd. Then the gear ratio becomes super close
I believe this was developed for Tsukuba N2 and it's usable on Tsukuba, especially for braking.
I agree, I was trying to say they probably designed that around the tsukuba layout in mind. Although I may be talking nonsense, it fits the track really well.
BoxxPow3r so they replaced the 5th with 3.5 since he doesn't need 5th
***** I want to understand this more really cool
Guys, you can turn on the the subtitle on CC button. Pick english on settings
友達からDVD借りて見たなぁこれ。
Hパターンって体が慣れきってそうなのに、きっちり操作出来てるのさすがやな。
This is a genius idea tbh very well thought out and quite useful too, only downside is it puts a strain on the engine.
It's a over built 7a for the power he has so it shouldnt be a problem
How the hell does this put more strain on the engine? It's a different gear ratio, between the extremes that were already there.
what a legend, doesn't get confused even once.
That Corolla is SO CLEAN.
"Close" ratio, as in the ratios are closer to each other.
The sound never gets old but with the 3.5 close gear it sounds better!
Max & Mr. Tsuchiya both are my fav driver
3.5速が5速の位置にあるから、大変そう…。
4速位置に3.5速、5速位置に4速だと土屋さんもっと攻めそう。
The Japanese have undoubtedly built the drift and street car scene, insane the stuff they come up with and do is insane. Innovation
Wow he set a better lap time with bald tires. Now that’s amazing.
これで街乗りする土屋さんすげぇな。シフトミスしないし
Imagine instead of shifting to 4 he shifted to R
R of "Racing"
What kind of retard would do that.. I would wrecken only Americans.. LOL..
な！なんと、ですね🎵ついに土屋さんの車に3.5ﾘｯﾀｰ付けちゃいました❗とか(笑)
(兄、ｱｰ良い感じです)とかやっていくれないかな笑
問題は3.5から4のアップじゃなくね？
バックランプついたの3から3.5な気がする
そんなのどうでもいいくらいすごいけど
3速から3.5速に入れるの難しくないのかな？
シフトのこと考えすぎてタイム伸びなさそうw
2:07 what a beautiful ratio!! Looks at the RPM drop only 1,000 wow! looks like you won't be low on power when you need it at high speed the ratios get closer meaning you can stay in the Power Band easier
Drift King but still open to ideas and experimentation, that is how experts should be
ＡＥ８６のラリー車でスーパークロスを思い出した。
I Love U japanese poeple.
Friendliest people in earth.
With positiv Aura
even their jokes/mockery is endearing
Same
86 is just such an unbelievably good sounding car from engine to exhaust!
4A-Gの音が良すぎて惚れた
うんち漏れそう
3.5 and 4 coming like sequential is more easy to tramision
I’ve been driving the gunsai touge on assesto corsa and I could see the value of having a 3.5 gear. I’m constantly switching from 3 rd to 4th on the longer straight always.
土屋さん、今でもこのミッションを使っておられますよね。
beautiful engine sound
No downshift to 3.5 @ 3:19? 😎🫡
cool idea and looks very functional.
This is just mad but I love it just for the sake of it. I really want to go to this circuit at some point 🙏
3:22 i saw this somewhere on initial d anime. wtfff
3:59 - Hmmm... They are talking about some kinda of "door stabilizer"... What that supposed to do there? Support the door against the torsional forces or just make the door close smoother? 😓❔
Ti M better rigidity
4:23「頭の悪いやつが開発した」って＾＾；
ゲロ兄さん(BANされ再出発) え
まさかゲロ兄さんが…？
ゲロ兄さん(BANされ再出発) ii
ゲロ兄さん(BANされ再出発) ต
Nothing new here except for the silly gear pattern.
Datsun had the 'Option 1' motorsport gearbox for rallying and racing in the 70s.
It was also a 5 speed with a direct 1:1 5th gear.
That gearbox placed reverse where 1st is in a regular H pattern and 1st where you normal see 2nd.
That way, the next 4 gears that are always in use (2nd - 5th) we all in an easy to remember regular H pattern. 👍
The fact that he had 0 miss shift on the 1st try is freaking crazy. If it was me, I’d kept changing it normally like it’s still were 5th gear until I got used to the new pattern.
Pretty smart idea, I've never heard of this with the 3.5 before bet it makes racing a whole lot easier once you get used to it.
i think this 3.5 gear is more beneficial for vtec engine.
Or raising the redline to 10k, so it doesn't drop out of vtec range.
close ratio gears benefit any high-revving engine with a narrow power band.
Generally, FF Hondas (or FF in general) don't need 3.5th cuz their gears never have a direct/1:1 ratio on their transmission so therefore they can make a close-ratio gearset that allows them to modify all ratios versus a RWD transmission which will have a 1:1 ratio depending on speeds (i.e. 4th for 5-speed, 5th for 6-speed)
Now THIS is new and creative content!
Dori dori tha real frfrfrrr