@@antolivdiaz damn this was over a year ago, anyways yeah genrally youre right except this in context of the video the subie claps the lotus all over i dont think subies understeer as much as people think due to driver error imo
@@mitchellpile1111 they understeer but they can handle really well, i would honestly use the lotus for a track tho, it suits my driving style better. the subie is better for the rallies where it can use the front wheels to hook into the next turn better
The more I watch these Japanese shows, the more I wish for a serious one over UK, US. But a boy can dream. Instead we only have Motortrends, and some pointless over the top illegal street race like 1320 and BayArea, where rich assholes are not satisfied with their horsepower, and only go in straight line, and it's all about the bullshit Domestic vs Import over and over again.
Tom Shepard its because there is no audience for such thing ppl want to watch shit like top gear and nobody cares about real racing real cars and japanese are really into this. in this show they can talk you in the car and you can feel every oversteer understeer like you were in the car. in western they cant tell shit about car just how pretty it is and i quete clarkson "its best car in the world/i ever driven he say that on every fucking car. but there is a BUT this japanese show has its mistakes like tsuchiya (dude in bmw) must win and cant loose because he is a cry baby and then there is a problem with nissans you see they are proud to have GTR so in every race GTR will have better score better final position in race and even will be tuned to race stock cars so it can win so yeah i recon watch this show but dont really believe it
Creative1722 I care not for who's better than who, or which car is better, we all know GTR is the king of the street, but I don't care for the GTR, I watch because I can see and feel them drive and they give feed back. Anyway, the real ones to watch is the touge battle where Tsuchiya and his boys test drive tuners cars from all over Japan, that's the real thing. The man is the Drift King because he made drifting popular, but it doesn't mean he can master any car. As the host of the show, I think he has to feedback that way, his reaction to defeat isn't bad.
The driver in the lotus definitely knows what he's doing. Very impressive. If the STi, would've had more power to it he would've won, but it was a given that the lotus was going to pass, the acceleration on that lotus is ridiculous, let alone the driver was fantastic. AWESOME race.
I love watching professionals race. Makes me wish there was a show you could volunteer a car you've built/had built and see what a pro can do with it. I've got an RB25det powered s14 that I think would give these boys a run for their money. Unlike what most people think, however, this kind of driving is INCREDIBLY hard, no matter how great you are on the street.
It was driven by Kinoshita, a professional racing driver. He did pass the Renault Clio and made the Lotus look quite good but he also mentioned that it needed more power but overall it was a good car. I've driven my step-brother's Elise when he visited me the other day. It's just like you said but can catch me in my Impreza Spec C Sedan. Still, it was remarkable.
man, that sti was gone just co'z it had more torque since it's awd, but that lotus was mos def taking the spotlight! thxs for the upload! i'm still thinking between 370z nismo or sti
That's a Spec C version of the STI. Twin Scroll turbo makes 320HP, lighten, stiffer suspension, and it's essentially like a Type R. It's racing spec setup complete with different tune and modification than the standard STI.
308hp/6400rpm, not a whole lot difference on paper, however it got water Intercooler, might help a lot in continuous maximum power output. Weight is still 1450kg. Other are like lsd, suspension etc which is very easy to replace on the standard sti. I think what you're saying is STI S206. This guy got 320hp. Bigger wheels and different turbo etc. Actually I thought sti is slow...now I'm considering getting one.
I agree 100% not many things can even touch a lotus on tarmac, they are very small and nimble, with a good power to weight. the STi can do most things, the lotus is suited for med/small tracks so is the sti due to its rally pedigree, though on long tracks I'd take a high powered v8 rwd for example on a v8 supercar track, different classes, engineered cars for different intentions.
If they are all on the tires they came from the factory with, that is actually the most correct spec to test that car in, because you now test the car as it is delivered. And they all have different wheel dimentions so they are never going to be the same anyways
@Grifkylian in the US the STI can hit 0-60 in 4 seconds and the "spec c" has the same engine as the one in the US. Plus the lightweight body and AWD makes for a fast agile ride. If you think that the Subie doesnt have a chance next to those cars in America, you might be mistaken.
it handles fine, I like chip tunes then suspension/tire upgrade, also stripping it down. a good car has a balance between power and handling you got be able to know how to drive it, brake a bit earlier and don't overload the front end of the car.
@jonathanliu1991 Not really. The transmission is actually better off with a little "wiggle room" as it were. It's also partially a design thing. On my 1998 Subaru Forester (obviously not used in racing) the shifter will shake back and forth a bit when getting the car in motion. The transmission in my car rests on 1 inch rubber pads so that it CAN move to prevent damage from being directly bolted to the undercarriage.
@rarejd I have been reading up on it for a while. I've narrowed it down to the STI or the 5.0 Mustang. The 370z might handle a little better, but it lacks power, comfort, practicality, and I'd much rather listen to the V8 than that coarse V6. I'd choose the STI over the Evo for basically the same reason. Not as razor sharp, but much more comfortable and that boxer engine sound is lovely. So, unless I end up moving to somewhere that's all highways, I'll probably get the STI.
@demonkyo0423 thankyou i said that to him earlier. plus they are driving only a lap or 2. not a 24 hour race. lotuses are sick. i just bought a s260 exige -final edition/ "1 of 30" in North America
Very impressed with the subaru performance. Exige just barely got him at the end on the straight and took off in the lead. Still the exige is a 80k car and the subaru is much less than that.
I wonder how many times he can launch that sub like that. I sold mine coz it’s always at the dealer with a broken transmission. Good thing it was under warranty otherwise that would have bankrupt me.
Spec C superiority 👌 One of Subarus best kept secrets, very few know what they are, even in 2023 GDB versions can still be picked up for under £15k because of this 👍
@rarejd You probably didn't catch the special edition they sold here for like 2 months. Dealers were marking them up like 25% but they are very similar to the spec C + they sport the 2.5 engine.
@BarnettMotorsport its because of the power differences in all the cars, if there is a big power disparity, then they will allow better tires for that car
@krached Yeah fair enough, but it would be a completly different outcome if they all had the same tyres, then it would be a fair battle! Infact, when you consider the Lotus has motor racing tyres and is only 6 tenths of a second quicker than the next car, its not very impressive. It would be last if the others had the A048 tyres
@jonathanliu1991 Simple answer? When you have a lot of power going through the transmission of an AWD car, the transmission is going to jump around a bit.
i completely agree on that but it was made for rally stages unlike the porsche which was made for circuits and the le mans. they are both very good at what they are made for
Well if you can afford a Lotus Exige for the summer then you can also buy a cheap small winter car! But yeah the WRX is great but someday I'll own a Exige!
@bkorven Yeah that would be true if the STi didn't just set the record for the Nurbugring last year. Subaru did very well in designing a car that dominates the track. I actually test drove the new Nismo 370 last week. Very fun car, but I prefer AWD
EXACTLY. im a subaru sti owner and tuner. i have a friend that rolled his sti 7 times!! and not a scratch on him. no rollcage or helmet. all air bags deployed
Even if they were all on track tyres I don't think the result would have been that different. Exige at the front and 370Z at the back with the other 3 fighting it out.
@ayoitsmeeeh Have you ever raced on A048 competition tyres? They are many seconds per lap faster than normal road tyres. With this in mind, I think you will find the outcome in this battle would be much different. But I understand A048 tyres are standard for the Lotus, so I guess it is a "fair" battle!
@scubba777 for the price of a lotus you can get a corvette z06 maybe even the carbon edition (15.5 in ceramic rotors up front 15 back, front splitter, and some carbon fibre pieces)
7500 RPM launch for the STI. Dayum!
And the Lotus driver had a pretty damned good launch too, especially considering that the car is RWD.
The Lotus is incredibly light though... must have helped with the launch. The STi launch made me cringe seeing the shifter wobble like that
It's a spec c, forged internals and a six puck clutch from the factory
@@xWheatThinz Its not the engine thats the problem with the sti launch. Its the tranny and transfer case.
@@an0daw You're kidding right? Stock tranny can hold 700wtq, the only weak point would be the synchros, but that wouldnt affect launching
@@xWheatThinz sure tranny can hold power, it wont handle power launching a lot.
ロータスとの価格差を考えると、STIの出したタイムは立派だと言わざるをえない。しかし、スバルもロータスも、いい車を作るなぁ…。
That spec C STI did way better than I thought and the 8k RPM redline is sick.
i can feel the lightness of the Lotus :D
And the understeer of the STI
insomniscient wow bro your so funny bro
@@mitchellpile1111 it's true tho so idk what u on, the lotus is very light and the subie understeers more because it's an awd
@@antolivdiaz damn this was over a year ago, anyways yeah genrally youre right except this in context of the video the subie claps the lotus all over i dont think subies understeer as much as people think due to driver error imo
@@mitchellpile1111 they understeer but they can handle really well, i would honestly use the lotus for a track tho, it suits my driving style better. the subie is better for the rallies where it can use the front wheels to hook into the next turn better
The more I watch these Japanese shows, the more I wish for a serious one over UK, US. But a boy can dream. Instead we only have Motortrends, and some pointless over the top illegal street race like 1320 and BayArea, where rich assholes are not satisfied with their horsepower, and only go in straight line, and it's all about the bullshit Domestic vs Import over and over again.
Drive and Evo are not bad at all! ;)
Check out Drive, Evo, Autocar, Chris Harris on Cars, and TheSmokingTire
Zygrene they still suck more than this
Tom Shepard its because there is no audience for such thing ppl want to watch shit like top gear and nobody cares about real racing real cars and japanese are really into this. in this show they can talk you in the car and you can feel every oversteer understeer like you were in the car. in western they cant tell shit about car just how pretty it is and i quete clarkson "its best car in the world/i ever driven he say that on every fucking car. but there is a BUT this japanese show has its mistakes like tsuchiya (dude in bmw) must win and cant loose because he is a cry baby and then there is a problem with nissans you see they are proud to have GTR so in every race GTR will have better score better final position in race and even will be tuned to race stock cars so it can win so yeah i recon watch this show but dont really believe it
Creative1722 I care not for who's better than who, or which car is better, we all know GTR is the king of the street, but I don't care for the GTR, I watch because I can see and feel them drive and they give feed back. Anyway, the real ones to watch is the touge battle where Tsuchiya and his boys test drive tuners cars from all over Japan, that's the real thing. The man is the Drift King because he made drifting popular, but it doesn't mean he can master any car. As the host of the show, I think he has to feedback that way, his reaction to defeat isn't bad.
2:02 BADASS LAUNCH
The driver in the lotus definitely knows what he's doing. Very impressive. If the STi, would've had more power to it he would've won, but it was a given that the lotus was going to pass, the acceleration on that lotus is ridiculous, let alone the driver was fantastic. AWESOME race.
El mejor video que eh visto,la mejor batalla.
I love watching professionals race. Makes me wish there was a show you could volunteer a car you've built/had built and see what a pro can do with it. I've got an RB25det powered s14 that I think would give these boys a run for their money. Unlike what most people think, however, this kind of driving is INCREDIBLY hard, no matter how great you are on the street.
It was driven by Kinoshita, a professional racing driver. He did pass the Renault Clio and made the Lotus look quite good but he also mentioned that it needed more power but overall it was a good car. I've driven my step-brother's Elise when he visited me the other day. It's just like you said but can catch me in my Impreza Spec C Sedan. Still, it was remarkable.
Forget what I would take, I took the Sti (4 doors, great daily driver). Awesome vid thanks for the share!
Insane launch for The Spec C !
man, that sti was gone just co'z it had more torque since it's awd, but that lotus was mos def taking the spotlight! thxs for the upload! i'm still thinking between 370z nismo or sti
sti driver dumped that clutch like its hawt! lol! sti looked like an SUV next to the lotus!
Impeccable Launch from the Lotus driver!
That STI 7500 rpm launch 😍
いや～プロレーサーが市販車でレースなんてロマンありすぎ。どの車がどう速いかがわかって何度でも観れる。
Well. the winner is quite obvious since the Exige Cup is the only track car of the lot. It's even got a friggin rollcage!
That's a Spec C version of the STI. Twin Scroll turbo makes 320HP, lighten, stiffer suspension, and it's essentially like a Type R. It's racing spec setup complete with different tune and modification than the standard STI.
308hp/6400rpm, not a whole lot difference on paper, however it got water Intercooler, might help a lot in continuous maximum power output.
Weight is still 1450kg.
Other are like lsd, suspension etc which is very easy to replace on the standard sti.
I think what you're saying is STI S206. This guy got 320hp. Bigger wheels and different turbo etc.
Actually I thought sti is slow...now I'm considering getting one.
Its power output is similar to a Normal Sti which a Stage 1 Tune. Which is an Intake and a Cobb tune.
why would you guys even bother to comment if you dont know anything 🤦♂️
@Matthew yea I know the differences. Just saying it relatively in the same power output is all.
Did they sell spec c in US?
@rarejd the 2.5 is the STi Engine in the US and Europe. A detuned 2.5 will be used on the new STi A-Line.
コストパフォーマンスでは、インプ‼
I agree 100% not many things can even touch a lotus on tarmac, they are very small and nimble, with a good power to weight.
the STi can do most things, the lotus is suited for med/small tracks so is the sti due to its rally pedigree, though on long tracks I'd take a high powered v8 rwd for example on a v8 supercar track, different classes, engineered cars for different intentions.
Man i just LOVE best motoring
I can't understand a word said, but I love best motoring tsukuba battles!
Nice video
Nice!
how? they are bloody amazing! soo fast in all aspects they are the best tarmac car for short/med tracks.
Got to love this Lotus .
As a sti owner. I’m proud.
You did good sti.
To add speed, add lightness.
Colin Chapman
Look at the shifter in the STi, that engine flops around like a fish! Just like my 2002 WRX :)
finally im deciding my next purchase... IMPREZA !!
If they are all on the tires they came from the factory with, that is actually the most correct spec to test that car in, because you now test the car as it is delivered.
And they all have different wheel dimentions so they are never going to be the same anyways
Yep and it makes a big big difference!
The tyres made the difference here!
@@ClaudioSL619 the Lotus had the best rubber.
@@Jaredscott89 lol.. i don't know why I wrote that. You're right those advan tires from lotus have better contact patch.
Still in love with subaru
Love how the Impreza Wrx Sti is the only 4 door car, yet still runs most of this race
That subaru must be insanely fast :p
Peter Cho h
@Grifkylian in the US the STI can hit 0-60 in 4 seconds and the "spec c" has the same engine as the one in the US. Plus the lightweight body and AWD makes for a fast agile ride. If you think that the Subie doesnt have a chance next to those cars in America, you might be mistaken.
it handles fine, I like chip tunes then suspension/tire upgrade, also stripping it down.
a good car has a balance between power and handling
you got be able to know how to drive it, brake a bit earlier and don't overload the front end of the car.
日産のVQ37はカタログ馬力よりマイナス40馬力ぐらいだからあの車重とトルクならビリになるのは当然
Legend says, the BMW is still wheel spinning behind the start line.
is there an English version or with subtitles?
This video was awesome. Why did I find it that late?😅
beast sti
エキシージ持ってくるとか反則だろwww
エキシージが反則なんじゃなくてエキシージだけSなのが反則だ笑バトル中とはいえPS2とかはいてケイマン、M3がインプの.2 3秒落ちとか優秀すぎる
very nice
The Exige has the spirit of a real race car. MR layout and lightweight.
@jonathanliu1991
Not really. The transmission is actually better off with a little "wiggle room" as it were. It's also partially a design thing. On my 1998 Subaru Forester (obviously not used in racing) the shifter will shake back and forth a bit when getting the car in motion. The transmission in my car rests on 1 inch rubber pads so that it CAN move to prevent damage from being directly bolted to the undercarriage.
Impresionante el desempeño del lotus
I wish my 5 speed wouldn't go into orbit if I tried that launch in my WRX
@rarejd
I have been reading up on it for a while. I've narrowed it down to the STI or the 5.0 Mustang. The 370z might handle a little better, but it lacks power, comfort, practicality, and I'd much rather listen to the V8 than that coarse V6.
I'd choose the STI over the Evo for basically the same reason. Not as razor sharp, but much more comfortable and that boxer engine sound is lovely.
So, unless I end up moving to somewhere that's all highways, I'll probably get the STI.
@demonkyo0423 thankyou i said that to him earlier. plus they are driving only a lap or 2. not a 24 hour race. lotuses are sick. i just bought a s260 exige -final edition/ "1 of 30" in North America
Very impressed with the subaru performance. Exige just barely got him at the end on the straight and took off in the lead. Still the exige is a 80k car and the subaru is much less than that.
STI Spec C is $70k
I wonder how many times he can launch that sub like that. I sold mine coz it’s always at the dealer with a broken transmission. Good thing it was under warranty otherwise that would have bankrupt me.
@@aclogarta Always? Really?
Spec C superiority 👌 One of Subarus best kept secrets, very few know what they are, even in 2023 GDB versions can still be picked up for under £15k because of this 👍
@rarejd You probably didn't catch the special edition they sold here for like 2 months. Dealers were marking them up like 25% but they are very similar to the spec C + they sport the 2.5 engine.
That M3 looks a right handfull!
Subarooooo!!!
Wow that Elise even had an advantage not only in the corners but in the straights too...
@Andrew87890 perfect. thanks
From what I could see in the intro, Lotus was the only car on sports tyres. Rest was on standard road tyres.
Those A048 track tires on the Lotus do make a diference.
The key to winning races is not purely power, but a balance between handling and power.
let alone driver skill.
the M3 driver's launch...wow...nice.
First time I saw a Lotus win on BestMotoring
it does! the 2.5L has more torque. also, the suspension tuning is different on non-JDM models.
Didn't expect the Lotus to be that quick.
Ooh "SLAPS" battle!!!
That guy is Tsuchiya, if he can't, nobody can!!!
He's relly good at driving!!!
The king
@BarnettMotorsport its because of the power differences in all the cars, if there is a big power disparity, then they will allow better tires for that car
@krached
Yeah fair enough, but it would be a completly different outcome if they all had the same tyres, then it would be a fair battle!
Infact, when you consider the Lotus has motor racing tyres and is only 6 tenths of a second quicker than the next car, its not very impressive. It would be last if the others had the A048 tyres
GT-Rの陰に隠れてるけどZを生き残らせて進化させている日産は偉い
でもな、510ブルモチーフのiDxをはよ！！
@BarnettMotorsport if the Lotus didn't, what would the battle outcome be?
@PUSHA304 Yeah, sure did. Good value as are the EVOs
@rarejd Right you are!
@jonathanliu1991
Simple answer? When you have a lot of power going through the transmission of an AWD car, the transmission is going to jump around a bit.
Hattori knows how to drive these subarus....
i completely agree on that but it was made for rally stages unlike the porsche which was made for circuits and the le mans. they are both very good at what they are made for
Sti 😍
Holy shit at least the STI knows how to drive it. Literally demolished everyone off the line and took the lead.
6:28 ohh gran turismo ads
Nice!!
Best thing about the WRX is that you dont have to store it for winter ! Its an all year supercar
its not really a supercar lol
It laps the Nurburgring under 8 minutes, just call it a supercar bro haha
Well if you can afford a Lotus Exige for the summer then you can also buy a cheap small winter car! But yeah the WRX is great but someday I'll own a Exige!
No one would judge you if you add Rally, "Rallying Super Car" ;)
We don't have a winter here in California :)
フェアレディZ格好良いですね。スタイリッシュ。
Lotus and 2ZZ
@Khack529 yeeah u can it was alimited edition in the us
Lotus, Subaru, BMW.......Well how very balanced
@bkorven
Yeah that would be true if the STi didn't just set the record for the Nurbugring last year.
Subaru did very well in designing a car that dominates the track.
I actually test drove the new Nismo 370 last week. Very fun car, but I prefer AWD
one thing i've noticed on youtube is everyone acts like a multi millionaire badass. congrats you fit that category :)
Love Subaru
EXACTLY. im a subaru sti owner and tuner. i have a friend that rolled his sti 7 times!! and not a scratch on him. no rollcage or helmet. all air bags deployed
Even if they were all on track tyres I don't think the result would have been that different. Exige at the front and 370Z at the back with the other 3 fighting it out.
man that exige kicked ass!
Love the Sti, why is the gearstick so shaky?
that lotus is so high tempered... but that sti is a beast too.
SSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The best.
I drive on this track! In forza motorsports
@rarejd Research Special Edition STi... highly upgraded suspension, swaybars.... lighter wieght car without climate control etc...
@ayoitsmeeeh
Have you ever raced on A048 competition tyres? They are many seconds per lap faster than normal road tyres. With this in mind, I think you will find the outcome in this battle would be much different.
But I understand A048 tyres are standard for the Lotus, so I guess it is a "fair" battle!
@LostInPhilly89 So is it bad for the transmission?
seeing that engine shake in the sti makes me shiver...
@scubba777 for the price of a lotus you can get a corvette z06 maybe even the carbon edition (15.5 in ceramic rotors up front 15 back, front splitter, and some carbon fibre pieces)