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It just goes to show how much the organization don't care about the fans with the garbage and gaslighting they put on the field & being the laughing stock of the entire league being the dam practice squad of failure. & having all these picks mean nothing this organization cannot make any good choices so at this point who cares
They kinda do actually. Jameis was playing well enough (at times) to win, definitely to compete. I think the dolphins are a winnable game if we played him, very glad we are starting DTR
How do we know Haslam hasnt told Stefanski to tank? If so he wont be on the hot seat. And how do you get rid of the only Coach who has had the only 11 win season since Schottenheimer. They BOTH had 2 seasons of 11 or more wins. The only ones since 1980.
Trading Garrett may be a necessary evil. The Watson trade really killed the team and Garret may be the only way to get any sort of draft assets, albeit more than likely low first round picks as he will want to go to a contender. On the other hand, it may not be worth it. However, if Garrett wants to go to a winner, I think he deserves it. My personal choice - don't trade him, but pitch your plan like there is no tomorrow.
Look what he did with Flacco. He had the burden of Watson this year. Paul needs to go. So there’s a better vision, to many hands in the kitchen. Berry should be free to do what he does. Moneyball was a farce.
It's a damn shame Jimmy Haslem isn't football smart cause if he was he would of never let John Dorsey leave or Kyle Shanahan for that matter now we're stuck with this nauseating team going nowhere with Berry/Stefanski...Paul Brown Cursed 🤬
They aren't capable of winning either of the next two games. Let's just be real. If they do, it's likely more to do with the other team dropping one. Idk how they keep Myles happy. They have no shot at anything for at least the next two years.
We need a good OC and complete offensive overhaul. Stop catering to massage boy and do what makes sense. Got a lot of Jimmy Haslem feel to last year's changes.
It makes zero sense to trade Garrett, period. You need great players not average players any time you can get them. Do you see Pittsburgh trading Watt? They have a 36 year old QB so they are not set at QB for the long term and you don’t hear them talking about trading Watt. The Browns beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore so they are not far apart talent wise or they wouldn’t have beat them. Keep Garrett and sign another free agent until they get rid of the Watson contract. Keep the high draft picks and draft the best player available in each round. That’s how you build a good team, you don’t have trade down for multiple average players, you stay where you are and get the best player on the board. This team can win with a few new players, no rebuild necessary.
It's torture to watch them without Zadarius and Jameis. AB has ruined this team. Threw Baker away, and wasted Chub and a solid O line. Holmgren was bad, AB is worse. Tickets will be $$$ with a dome.
I say we wait for Arch Manning. We trade our pick this year for next years 1st round pick Then next year whoever has the #1 pick, you trade them our first and second round pick for him. That still leaves us a first round pick besides getting Manning. We can use the rest of ours to build up our lines. Then next year you use your other first round pick to get the best running back out there.
You may not have to fire Stefanski if I were him with Cleveland GM and owner don’t be surprised if he leaves on his own and gets a better job! (Dallas)
So darn typical of us Browns fans to be discussing the draft at this time of year instead of discussing how far we are going to go in the playoffs. I hope this changes in the future.
"T" I only say to trade Myles for his sake. This guy deserves to play on a team that will content for the championship... he deserves a ring...or two... or three, but he won't get it in Cleveland, at least not during is career span. The same with Chubb. These guys did everything they could and even exceeded expectations, but were let down y the organization repeatedly.
Tank and u have to trade him cause not going to have a QB next year and at best the following season u might get a good rookie and kick Watson's contract by then you wasted Garrett so roll dice for two firsts starting bid.
I just can’t see us letting Vrabel go away. You know that’s why he was brought here. For this reason one of the worst seasons in Browns history. Yea Petey Vrabel might not want to be here but money talks
Nah, Prime isn't going to the league and Shedeur more than likely won't pass the Giants, or any team that will trade with the Pats. And before you say it, we should not trade up
Well it does not make a difference what pick we have because analytics chooses our players and after several years of this we are not any good. Plus we have never developed a QB with any success. I am sure that all the Cleveland experts I watch need to see DTR again because they are mentally challenged to interpret what they have seen the past 2 years.
Boy u lost me and lot of other people Petey by saying it would be best for AB/Stefanski to return in 25... that's as bad as you mentioning Tenn Lamaleva to the browns what a joke take
@ you’re acting like this isnt what owners do frequently… example: Bryce Young and the Panthers. Im not advocating for it but i am saying the tough truth
@@BrownsReportDon’t you guys think we need a new voice in this locker room after the team obviously quit with Watson out there doing absolutely nothing but bring a dark cloud over this franchise SMH. Better pray Haslam doesn’t let Vrabel get away
Dgaf about the dolphins game at least SHOW UP for the ravens. They will likely not even have their starters in so its not like a win means dog SHIT but would mich rather end the season with a win over the city who stole our team
The Giants are worse than the Browns so I don’t see them winning either two games against the Colts or the Eagles sorry Browns won’t get the first overall pick
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@@BrownsReport No I don’t believe in tanking
It just goes to show how much the organization don't care about the fans with the garbage and gaslighting they put on the field & being the laughing stock of the entire league being the dam practice squad of failure. & having all these picks mean nothing this organization cannot make any good choices so at this point who cares
I thought they already did
Yes
No, only winning begets winning.
Yes tank! The beauty is - they don’t even have to try
They kinda do actually. Jameis was playing well enough (at times) to win, definitely to compete. I think the dolphins are a winnable game if we played him, very glad we are starting DTR
A GM should want the Tank. A player or coach should still want to at least beat the Ratbirds.
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How do we know Haslam hasnt told Stefanski to tank? If so he wont be on the hot seat. And how do you get rid of the only Coach who has had the only 11 win season since Schottenheimer. They BOTH had 2 seasons of 11 or more wins. The only ones since 1980.
Never trade Garret.
Browns schedule:
Week 17: vs. Dolphins
Week 18: at Ravens
Under stefanski Mayfield underperformed, Watson underperformed and DTR underperformed. Should we really give Stefanski another QB?
Under Belicheck Zappe failed, so did Mac Jones. Should he be a head coach ever again?
Baker did not baker actually preformed well
Baker only under performed when he was injured
yeah ur not gon get us on baker he was good
He's a 2x coach of the year out of 4 complete seasons who else you want to get?
Zbiotics plug is perfect timing...as this Browns season is probably driving a bunch to drink
If he doesn't like the plan then trade him and get something for him
Trading Garrett may be a necessary evil. The Watson trade really killed the team and Garret may be the only way to get any sort of draft assets, albeit more than likely low first round picks as he will want to go to a contender. On the other hand, it may not be worth it. However, if Garrett wants to go to a winner, I think he deserves it. My personal choice - don't trade him, but pitch your plan like there is no tomorrow.
I don’t think Stefanski should be on the hot seat right now. However, AB and DePodesta should be for darn sure.
Tell me what Stefanski has done well? And you can’t say COY!
Look what he did with Flacco. He had the burden of Watson this year. Paul needs to go. So there’s a better vision, to many hands in the kitchen. Berry should be free to do what he does. Moneyball was a farce.
Tank for sure .
The heavy lifting on losing has already been done. We will have a top 7 pick pretty much either way, so tanking further is not really "necessary"!
Yes, tank!
Don’t forget that the New York football Giants beat the Cleveland Browns early in the year
Cleveland Browns NFL Draft odds:
Pick #1: 4.7%
Pick #1-5: 54.3%
Pick #1-10: 100%
I did not realize how many teams have shitty records.
Y but it won’t make a difference. Lost faith in AB.
It's a damn shame Jimmy Haslem isn't football smart cause if he was he would of never let John Dorsey leave or Kyle Shanahan for that matter now we're stuck with this nauseating team going nowhere with Berry/Stefanski...Paul Brown Cursed 🤬
AB can’t even manage the Kicker position.
Yes, tank.
If they start DTR doesn’t matter what we want reality is the probability of losing the last 2 games is very high
Tank Mode began about 7 weeks ago.
No tanking, figure out who stays in the locker room and who goes and trade DOWN in the draft for more picks.
good plan. we trade down and get will campbell
They aren't capable of winning either of the next two games. Let's just be real. If they do, it's likely more to do with the other team dropping one. Idk how they keep Myles happy. They have no shot at anything for at least the next two years.
We don’t need to trade Garrett. Browns just need to beef up that offense. Qb, Wr, OT
Browns ain’t beating dolphins or the ravens they don’t got a tank.
We need a good OC and complete offensive overhaul. Stop catering to massage boy and do what makes sense. Got a lot of Jimmy Haslem feel to last year's changes.
It makes zero sense to trade Garrett, period. You need great players not average players any time you can get them. Do you see Pittsburgh trading Watt? They have a 36 year old QB so they are not set at QB for the long term and you don’t hear them talking about trading Watt. The Browns beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore so they are not far apart talent wise or they wouldn’t have beat them. Keep Garrett and sign another free agent until they get rid of the Watson contract. Keep the high draft picks and draft the best player available in each round. That’s how you build a good team, you don’t have trade down for multiple average players, you stay where you are and get the best player on the board. This team can win with a few new players, no rebuild necessary.
Would you be open to trading Myles Garrett? Trade or Pass
Nope. End of conversation.
Fr@@Sawyersaviation
Pass
Pass
Trade him we owe him that
I never want to see a team tank games just to get a better draft pick.
Petey, idk if you keep up with news, but Deion is fine with him going to the giants or raiders, or so I’ve seen anyway
How about Jags and Titans tie this week - that would solve well for us for sure as well (assuming we continue to lose out) - we would be #3 pick then.
Also I don’t think the Titans will take a QB even if they had a pick before us but it’s always possible and the Jags don’t need a QB
Why not. Will Levis is not it. If I’m them. I would draft Cam Ward.
@ I think they will do something sort of similar to what the Panthers did with Bryce Young by benching them playing again the next season or so.
2025 NFL Draft order:
#1: Giants (2-13)
#2: Patriots (3-12)
#3: Jaguars (3-12)
#4: Titans (3-12)
#5: Browns (3-12)
#6: Raiders (3-12)
#7: Panthers (4-11)
#8: Jets (4-11)
#9: Bears (4-11)
#10: Saints (5-9)
More worried about our Defense right now.. poor tackling.. coverage... Burroughs ate us up
You see miles having problems with the help he gets. Miles is great, but you see how things go. The browns need someone to do some great things.
If you could get some one , and keeping miles great
You are not going anywhere otherwise.
Browns get a good first round pick right?
Yes Tank it
Will be nice to see walker jr next week. Great guy, great player. Happy he isn’t a part of this dumpster fire
We will lose both games because dtr cannot get it done
Anorher, great game for DTR and the Browns.
I want cam ward cuz he is perfect for the browns
Trade down for future draft captail.
Why?
@@Pnk_RckrU can get a starting DE by dropping and picking up a NXT year 1st Rd, too use to trade up for your QB too ranking NXT year!!!
If you get pick 2 you take a QB we need a QB badly
And he'll get Tim Couched behind the aging, suspect offensive line
Tank, it won't be hard for the Browns! 😂😢
Tank and take the best QB. Can't go anywhere without a QB.
Yes
Yeah.. Miles Garrett isn't the "end all and be all "... huh?
PS you are correct completely on coach, Garrett, gm and no one wants this job that is as good as what we got. Punting 2025 sorry to say😢
Yes tank
Who do you trade Garrett to
This is cap Deion already said he’s fine with shaduer going to giants
I do. But tank for who
It's torture to watch them without Zadarius and Jameis. AB has ruined this team. Threw Baker away, and wasted Chub and a solid O line.
Holmgren was bad, AB is worse.
Tickets will be $$$ with a dome.
Crazy we talking about losing after how these videos started in the beginning the season lol 😅 @browns chat sports
I would like to see a win but I received him ticket and get the best pick ever in the draft.
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I say we wait for Arch Manning. We trade our pick this year for next years 1st round pick Then next year whoever has the #1 pick, you trade them our first and second round pick for him. That still leaves us a first round pick besides getting Manning. We can use the rest of ours to build up our lines. Then next year you use your other first round pick to get the best running back out there.
You play too much Madden
😂😂 sad but i thought we been tanking🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
You may not have to fire Stefanski if I were him with Cleveland GM and owner don’t be surprised if he leaves on his own and gets a better job! (Dallas)
Draft the rb from Boise state then trade with jag for Lawrence 😊
Maybe
Keep playing DTR
So darn typical of us Browns fans to be discussing the draft at this time of year instead of discussing how far we are going to go in the playoffs.
I hope this changes in the future.
The Browns don't need to tank just keep playing normal Browns football and they will lose fair and square
Yes, keep dtr
Nope
Pass
Man, you have to stop with all that Tennessee talk. OH10
Because they are not?
So that´s the Browns plan? "To Loose" haha
"T"
I only say to trade Myles for his sake. This guy deserves to play on a team that will content for the championship... he deserves a ring...or two... or three, but he won't get it in Cleveland, at least not during is career span. The same with Chubb. These guys did everything they could and even exceeded expectations, but were let down y the organization repeatedly.
Fire Kevin S ! Couldn't manage a Super Bowl Team. A Browns Fan Since 1967.
Tank and u have to trade him cause not going to have a QB next year and at best the following season u might get a good rookie and kick Watson's contract by then you wasted Garrett so roll dice for two firsts starting bid.
Garret is not replaceable. If they lose Garret they lose the fans. Discontinue all football operations. Stop using the Browns name.
Ravens
Never get rid of Garrett r we winning? Hello
Dolphins game meh but woyld be nice to sweep Ravens
Who cares where they pick since Berry/DePodesta can’t get picks right worth 💩. Get rid of them both before the draft.
I just can’t see us letting Vrabel go away. You know that’s why he was brought here. For this reason one of the worst seasons in Browns history. Yea Petey Vrabel might not want to be here but money talks
No tank
They r tanking I guarantee it keep Garrett
Here’s an idea Get Shedeur Sanders and Sign Coach Prime.
Nah, Prime isn't going to the league and Shedeur more than likely won't pass the Giants, or any team that will trade with the Pats. And before you say it, we should not trade up
Well it does not make a difference what pick we have because analytics chooses our players and after several years of this we are not any good. Plus we have never developed a QB with any success. I am sure that all the Cleveland experts I watch need to see DTR again because they are mentally challenged to interpret what they have seen the past 2 years.
No trade stop tweakin
Vrabel or Swarts
Or fire them all.pedesta and all
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Don’t trade Garrett
Free Myles
Free Myles he’s earned it
@@GRASSNBASSno
Boy u lost me and lot of other people Petey by saying it would be best for AB/Stefanski to return in 25... that's as bad as you mentioning Tenn Lamaleva to the browns what a joke take
You dont think Jimmy Haslam would want a Tennessee quarterback?
@BrownsReport I understand the Tenn connection but him c'mon man really also if Stefanskis coming back this definitely isn't the guy for his scheme
@ you’re acting like this isnt what owners do frequently… example: Bryce Young and the Panthers.
Im not advocating for it but i am saying the tough truth
@@BrownsReportDon’t you guys think we need a new voice in this locker room after the team obviously quit with Watson out there doing absolutely nothing but bring a dark cloud over this franchise SMH. Better pray Haslam doesn’t let Vrabel get away
@@BrownsReport I see your point but-
Dgaf about the dolphins game at least SHOW UP for the ravens. They will likely not even have their starters in so its not like a win means dog SHIT but would mich rather end the season with a win over the city who stole our team
No
I never want my team to tank...ever !
Three number ones bye garrett
No team will give up that much draft capital for Garrett
The Giants are worse than the Browns so I don’t see them winning either two games against the Colts or the Eagles sorry Browns won’t get the first overall pick
I want the penn state Qb. We need a qb who can make plays in the pocket. I’m tired of all these qbs who have to run around in circles to make plays
If you don't want QB's that don't run around in circles, draft linemen that don't "OLE" block and get our QB mushed.
Drew Allar is going back to Penn State. Can't draft him until next year
The Browns will rip Miami a new one. As long as the refs don’t keep the Browns from winning.
Yea Miami doesn’t win if it’s below 40 degrees. We’re possibly gonna win if DTR doesn’t start. If DTR starts Miami wins. DTR says tanking to me
Tanker. Why not. That's the game.unless u want to be dumb
The odds are better for the Hindenburg to rise from the ashes than the browns to ever be relevant in my lifetime
Never Tank!! Never!!
If we get the #1 pick, we still have AB doings the picking …… so what’s the sense!