The real time LUT function in video works so well that I shoot a lot of the lower end social media client work with it and it saves so much time. I have shot hundreds of short clips back to back without the camera ever getting hot as well as multiple 10 minute takes in a row so I always figured a update like this will come and here it is. Love it Panasonic
no record limit anymore suddenly makes the S9 a lot more interesting. If I didn't invest too much into my Canon R8 and extra lenses, I actually might pick one up. The IBIS is a big factor
I don't know if Ibis is a huge deal for video work. I say that because even today some high-end video centric cameras don't have Ibis. Most videographers use a gimble for smooth shots with small cameras and use the overall weight of their rig for bigger cameras. Ibis at least in Canon camera's introduces wobles at the edges of the frame. Now for photography I don't own a long telephoto I would guess Ibis would be nice for that.
@@answeris4217I have Lumix S5ii and with the dual IS in body with OIS in my 70-300 the stability is amazing. I di nature photography and short video clips of birds, animals etc getting 630mm crop c4k 50 from the 70-300. Handheld the IS is outstanding and necessary for this. I haven't used a tripod since buying S5ii
@@answeris4217 NO.... gimbals are used for very specific shots by actual professionals and way overused by idiots... Also not a single High-End video camera in the world has ibis the high-end for Video cameras would be Arri Alexa or Sony Venice (RED and Panavision too i guess)... none of them have IBIS nobody ever asked for them to have IBIS
In my opinion that is surprisingly good for a compact collapsible kit lens. The softness in the corners is most likely due to the lens not actually covering the entire sensor and is relying on heavy software corrections like on some Canon R mount and Sony E mount lenses. I bet that lens is actually black in the corners when uncorrected.
🎉 Cool. I gave no issues with the S9 or this lens. Looks great. Don't know why people who have no interest in this tier of camera are losing their minds over it. There's plenty pro sports, video, and wildlife options out there. 😂
The S9 works just fine for me in my 2 months of owning it. It fits the type of content i make and it works really well for it. Really happy to see the recording limit go away.
I personally said when it launched, that this camera line is going to have the easiest Mark 2 version ever. Based on what it has already, those few critical editions will make this a absolute barn burner. Evf (even if optional) proper hotshoe headphone jack and 1st curtain Then you are off to the races was a highly highly capable camera especially for video. (And tweak the body styling so it's less of a brick.. comfortable/ holdable is crucial) That's about it. It could literally be a parts been swapped from the S52 😊
yeah I have an S9, and while the screen is actually REALLY nice (BRIGHT, high resolution,) and I get why it has a cold shoe because of the e-shutter, they still could have definitely had accessory port pins in the shoe mount for a nice EVF attachment -- that's the ONE thing I actually wish I could have for my S9
An M43 version would be nice - Small form factor with lenses that actually suit it. EVF, flip screen, strong IBIS and the real time LUTS would be a winner. Take my money, I have M43 lenses waiting.
Panasonic could avoid so much shame if they released the S9 with this lens and this firmware :) I'd love to have such tiny lens with this amazing range for traveling. I hope the other manufacturers will do similar lenses too.
I love the S9 with my Sigma 45mm 2.8. Always with me, perfect secondary camera to the S5II. I only miss a mechanical shutter. But it's fine 95% of the time
Now it actually is a content creator cam or a cam for beginners wo want to grow into their camera! THANK YOU LUMIX! I AM SO EXCITED TO BUY MY FIRST EVER CAMERA FROM YOU!
Gah...I want Lumix to succeed and gain users and it's so mindboggling that they didn't release the S9 with this, even if that meant delaying launch. That 28mm was barfo disgusto
Wow! Without those strict record limits it suddenly became a very attractive camera! I would like it has remote control and hot shoe, but even now it would be nice to have it as a casual/street life/travel camera as well as B-camera for video recording because my S5IIx is too bulky to take it with me as an everyday casual camera. Hoping for a decent pancake (~ F1.8) in near future. Hey Sigma, Samyang, can you help with that?
samyangs going to release an L mount version off their 35mm sony e mount compact and 7artisan's going to release a 35mm f2.8 compact as well as part of their "infinite" lens line
It sure looks that way. It's size and weight could make it a great full frame gimbal camera. I don't know if I would take it on a hike. I like having my camera in hand on hikes. This doesn't seem comfortable for that. But for travelling it would be perfect.
Lens is a kit lens..and in that context I think it works well enough and is so light (big plus)...the across the board firmware updates for so many LUMIX cameras were a big boost, including removing the recording limit on the S9.
panasonic needs a 2.8 line of their primes and they are all done for lenses. In my opinion they are doing well. Until more compact primes available, I am happy with my S9 / Sigma 45mm.
It doesn’t ! A micro43 camera that’s between GM5 and GX9 in size with EVF, new 26MP sensor with phase detect AF and all the smarts, the best IBIS possible, tilt screen A6400 style, Built-in bounceable flash. We already have the lenses for it. The S9 is the solution to a problem nobody had.
A camera that people have been waiting for since the GX8 pretty much. I'd love one too, but I feel like Lumix are having to wait until they can get the M43 sensor pricing down. However much we want a camera like that, noone would be willing to pay more than the GH7 for what most would consider to be a X100VI competitor.
The S9 is Panasonic’s answer to Sony’s very popular A7C line, and somewhat misguidedly, a Leica. A true rangefinder would be much more appreciated so at least give us EVF and a hot shoe.
Yessss. A new MFT mount rangefinder camera with viewfinder, mech. Shutter and if possible, weather sealing. gx85 dial setup and grip. But deeper. Inbuilt pop up flash and lumix lab support. With new 25 MP sensor and phase dictect along with thise tiny mft primes, what more could u ask for?? Perfect camera
It's nuts that they limited the record length SO MUCH when it can survive for so long. Sure it'll be less in hotter environments, but this makes it way more appealing. If it had a physical shutter, it'd now have my full attention
Actually I bought the S9 with the 20 to 60mm kit lens. That setup was not a bad hiking outfit for me and I used it this summer on various trails. I just pre-ordered the 18-40mm lens, which seems like the natural kit lens for this camera. I love Panasonic cameras for video and something small like this will make me grab and go with it.
Like Chris said, give us EVF, mechanical shutter and bump the readout specs a bit and I am dropping my Fujifilm set on market place. The LUTs are better than Film simulations! Hey, that's an a Idea for a video Chris. A few Popular film simulations form X-weekly vs Panasonic LUTs app!
ADORE that they can do the multiple frame markers now! I suggested that on the GH6 to a rep 2 years ago when they asked how I liked it. If that comes to the GH7 (or dare I hope my GH6?) 😻
I'd love this with a similar lens to the Nikon Z mount 40mm f2, but for L mount, to have something compact but decent for lower light/indoor situations
Small size, seems like the perfect webcam. I’ve been using the Z8 for my webcam, but a smaller form factor of this camera would fit into the prompter nicer.
Very appealing, but I wonder -- would the recording limits / overheating be a problem as a webcam? Or does lowering the output resolution to something like 1080p / 30 reduce the heat generated?
@@janwedek LOL. Well, I was obviously answering your question about recording limits, ie., you’re not recording anything. You could definitely press record on the camera (maybe for redundancy reasons), but doing so is not necessary for a webcam. Regarding the 2nd part of your question, addressing overheating; I haven’t personally encountered this issue, maybe because I’m indoors. It would be a huge pain if there were overheating issues with some cameras though. Edit: Also, I ended up buying the $15 HDMI to USB adapter from Amazon, ie. Not the $100 Elgato one. The cheaper HDMI adapter I have only does 1080 at 30FPS, so I have my camera settings to 1080. Maaaaaaybe if the camera was set to stream at 4K it would generate more heat, but I doubt it since it’s doing so little. You could test yourself; just change your power settings on your camera to not turn off, plug the camera into constant power, and leave it on for a few hours and see what happens (don’t press record, just leave it on)…. that’s essentially what it’s doing as a webcam. Let us know.
I've been shooting professionally for now 43 years... i don't think i can remember a single of your reviews where i was able to "see the corners not being sharp" are my eyes just so old or is the difference on todays lenses just so tiny that it absolutely doesn't matter... i have not bought a single piece of glass sind like the 90s that i was not happy with (to be fair it was mostly EF and L Mount glass)
Almost all low to mid range Canon RF lenses have image circles smaller than the sensor, so the corners are recovered from the vignetted area via algorithms. It's probably still better than any 2000s travel zoom though :)
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x i mean if the image circle was actually smaller than the sensor you'd just get nothing i mean vignetting of course isn't nice but who cares if a glass has some fault if it's fixed in camera?
Everything HAS gotten a LOT better over time. The improvements becomes smaller and smaller and I can rarely noticed the problems as well. That's what's keeping my from upgrading from my G85.... I need to become a better videographer/photographer first.
@@LoFiAxolotl check out Christopher Frost's review of the RF 24-240. Uncorrected RAW has corners vignetted. I guess there's still some information in the vignette
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x Okay and what does that matter? You have to actively turn off in camera corrections... that's like buying a car and then saying it only runs in one gear after ripping out the transmittion... If you look close enough no lens if perfect... but we now have the tools to make any glass look almost perfect and manufacturers can rely on cheaper manufacturing and then hide imperfections with software... that's beautiful... and it translates to wider availability and cheaper glass.... 20 years ago a 24-240 lens would've looked like absolute garbage or would've cost you literally as much as a house
You know, I am NOT the target S9 customer. No EVF? Heck no! Photo shooter only? Get real! I already have an S5, and assorted M43, so NO WAY! (I don't actually care about the e-shutter only, for what I shoot, so that was never a dealbreaker for me.) BUT. I prefer smaller camera bodies. And I HATE Sony's color science and AWB, so I am not a fan of the A7C line. So, I decided, what the heck, and ordered the S9. With the 28-200mm. And a funny thing happened. Even though I still would prefer an EVF, the LCD on the S9 is bright enough (backlight set to +3) to see outdoors in sunlight. And the 28-200mm is mighty small for that much reach. AND it has lovely color rendition (as does the S9 itself, even before getting into LUT territory). Soooo...it now goes with me everywhere. I am enjoying using this camera so darn much. I have it set up with all the customization I prefer for my usual shooting situations, and it's small, portable (yes, even with the 28-200mm), and it is a joy to use. It has essentially supplanted my M43 gear as a daily driver (except for long telephoto, as nothing FF will match the PL 100-400mm for reach at a manageable size). The last camera that made me smile when I used it, as much as this one, was the GM5.....and that got roundly panned when it came out, too (but used ones now get the accolades that it missed when it was in production...). Anyway, I hope you all out there will give this camera a try if you are thinking about it, as it really is just an enjoyable bit of kit that has exceptionally nice output on top of being a fun camera to work with. You may be surprised....
I have found that the beautiful framing I get when looking through the EVF, and the editing I do on a large monitor ends up lacking something when it is then viewed on a small phone screen. Some have suggested that framing on the small camera screen gives you a better idea of what will look good for images that end up on social media. I suppose the S9 is the camera to do that with.
Chris keeps looking at a hammer and saying, "That screwdriver sucks." The S9 is Panasonic's version of the Fuji X100 VI. Designed for people who are new to shooting cameras (aside from cameraphones). The targeted demographic is Either Gen Z'ers or Vlog Moms and Vlog Dads. The people who Panasonic wants to sell the S9 to neither know, nor care, what a mechanical shutter is. They care about whether it is small and convenient to carry around, whether it will keep them in focus, and does it look cute.
Yeah I understand that rationale. And even if they did stick an EVF on it, their "target market" would simply ignore it and use the screen, like they do on their smartphones.
This is now going to be a video monster, the compact form factor and no mechanically shutter makes so much more sense once you stick it in a cage and rig it out for video. It's basically a Sigma FP without active cooling.
Chris - I think you're still missing the context and the purpose of the S9. You said that a second version of the S9 needs a mechanical shutter, an EVF and a headphone jack to make it more compelling. Well Panasonic already sell a camera with all those things called the S5II. The purpose of the S9 is to be smaller, simpler (fewer buttons and dials), fun to use and a cute appearance. It was never meant to be equal to an S5II.
7:30 Wow, it definitely moves the camera toward being a functional video device for content creation (most of my recording is definitely over their previous limits). The lens looks decent given its size. 👍
Even a low-resolution, 2.36 million-dot rangefinder-style EVF on the back would have been a welcome addition to this camera. Or maybe an optional add-on EVF? Still, I would just rather buy an S5 II or S5 IIX on the used market for about the same price.
That's a nice little lens. I don't really see the point of it outside the size though. The 20-60 is a more versatile range and still plenty wide enough. Good to have options though. And if you did want a tiny lens, its great
Great use of the GH7. So good that I'm wondering about the video at 2:25. What lens and microphone setup did you use? Great bokeh, very shallow depth of field, and crystal clear audio on a sidewalk. You two are excellent.
Have to agree with Jordan with his KEH plug… regarding the PL12-60/2.8-4, I had that lens for 7 years and it really is one the best lenses I’ve ever used regardless of format. It would be nice for Panasonic to update the FF 24-105 to be a 24-120/2.8-4.
I'm obsessed with lightening my full frame gear lately and I like this direction from Panasonic. This lens is interesting but I'd still lean toward the 14-28mm and 28-200mm as a two lens system covering me for almost everything I'd need. It's too bad it's only 24mp. Sony has the A7CR (or even A7C2 may be high resolution enough) but no lenses that compare (no 14mm zoom lens that takes filters, and the 24-240mm always gets terrible reviews).
IF Nikon releases a camera like this, then i would ourchase it. For me, this will answer my needs for a streaming/web cam. The size, the auto focus, and full frame is solid for that purpose.
To not canibalize too much the other cameras, I guess. But that's kind of canon cripple hammer outdated thinking. And even so, if they made it 30 and 40min instead of 10 and 15, it would have been noticed but a lot less than that.
One less thing for reviewers to be mad at. Limiting it on launch handles a lot of that. Viewers would probably think less favourably of the camera if it was shown to overheat than if it were shown to have a record limit.
They were playing it safe, I would guess because it wasn't super thoroughly tested. Their gear has generally been always been reliable. Also playing it safe so that folks are not treating it like a GH series or so.
I understand where you coming from, although if we speak about the cost, $1800 is not what most people would consider affordable. But then again, you have had plenty of costly gear in this channel, so if we do put that in perspective, I guess we can say this camera kit is on the affordable side. I don't know much about Panasonic gear, I don't know where it seats in their range of products (is it for beginners for example?) which I think it may be important to put in perspective/context.
I wish more companies would do open gate recording. You have an awesome full frame camera sensor. Why not let people use it for full video. I bought tge R8 for its video capabilities and now I'm also taking awesome pictures with it. I don't see why this camera couldn't get people into the lumix lineup. It takes all the expensive glass so you can grow into the lineup.
Feeling like this is how they meant to release the camera, but weren't quite ready yet and were like, just throw that little crappy pancake on it and we'll update it in the firmware later, lol! Either way, until they give it a mechanical shutter and a hotshoe like you perfectly summed up in the outro, It's just never going to quite be the camera we all hoped it might be. Imo that's literally all it really needs. I can even live without an evf. Matter fact, I could have lived with a smaller battery in exchange for those two highly imperative abilities.
Does the S9 have some kind of focus breathing compensation in the body? That focus breathing looks pretty distracting but with how wide it is, a little software magic seems like it could a pretty compelling vlogging and casual video lens. The new firmware and lens I think it makes this a much more compelling beginner/casual camera for family photos and videos. For the enthusist it really lacks the features they'd be looking for, all of which are hardware changes. Mechanical shutter and hotshoe (capable of the some audio device that maybe adds a headphone jack?) would really round this camera out both for photographers and videographers, at least to me the EVF would be a fair compromise for the body size. It's not the camera for me, at least it makes more sense now. This body I think has merits if they drop a M43 setup into it with the mechanical shutter and hotshoe, could end up being a veeerrryyyyy compelling camera. While they're at it they should drop an updated 20mm F1.7 with a competent AF motor. Would make an amazing combo.
@@tsnorris1 Based on experience, a weathersealed lens paired with a non-weathersealed camera is the minimum you want if you want to shoot in light rain (and obviously not leaving it out just sitting on a tripod uncovered). I hike with my camera attached with a capture clip on my shoulder strap. With intermittent light rain, I just put a cheap disposable shower cap over it. If it starts to pour hard, I put it in my backpack. It's mainly the condensation you have to think about.
It finally became a worthy b-cam or streaming cam. I'd rather they make it box style with npf battery but whatever. Can't take it as a photo camera though, rolling shutter is a no-go.
I would seriously consider an S9 but, well, I'm old-fashioned. I want a viewfinder. Build us another GX7 or similar. If I could find a GX7 or similar in my price range, I'd be out street shooting right now
I actually prefer the sun flares from this lens to the super well defined ones that look pointy, symmetrical, and fake. I do like that pointy symmetrical look for street lights at night, but I hate that look for the sun, especially at sunset. They are supposed to be sun rays, not sun points.
Fun, hope they get back to “pro” level lenses eventually, maybe update that lens roadmap. I kinda want an s9 as a second event camera to shoot video with a prime or something it’s so small, do it like the photographers, 2 cameras and prime lenses. 😂
@@KarlDomning neither. I was just in the market for a compact modern full frame camera. My camera then was the good ol'Canon 5d3. I was also seriously considering the s9
I still don’t think the 28 f8 is bad… at least inherently… I think it would be an interesting lens to have, and to combine it with something as small as the s9, which even as someone who’s a Sony shooter, finds quite tempting/appealing even if its def a mk1 product…
My rhetorical question. When will Lumix provide AF for slow motion video above 150 fps? If Lumix finally provides this, I will buy it. The other camera makers provide it. Canon R8 has it 180fps, Sony, and Fuji has it up to 240fps. Slow Motion at 240fps with AF, is great for Wildlife and Street Video short film. I own and use S5ii, G9ii, but I leave them behind for slow motion video. Get with the program Lumix. I like Lumix design and ergonomics, but they leave stuff out I use, leaving me no option but to use Sony, Canon, and Fuji for AF in slow motion.
When I see a compact wide-angle lens for a mirrorless camera, a question instantly arises in my head - what is the actual sensor area it covers? And considering that it's a zoom, this lens scares me more than even the Canon 16 2.8.
@@sardanapalos well Meike is releasing AF lenses and they are not part of the alliance, so is not forbidden. They just have to reverse engineer the AF system by their own. Where as if you are part of the alliance you just get access to the back end of how it works.
@@RD.stillz well of course you can do it and pay the company that owns the mount some money, and surely if meike is doing it probably its worth for their business ...maybe viltrox will do it... if i new the future i would buy viltrox stokes :D
To be honest, only a little, i have decided it's me, and that this is a video camera. Im a stills guy, so for me, some of its constraints mean it doesn't work for me. Thats life.
They should bring Quad Bayer 48/12MP stacked sensors if mechanical shutter is not possible. 12MP will be nice for 4K video and 48MP for times when you occasionally need high-res photos. Sony LYT-808 sensor like technology with Dual layer stacked CMOS
Producing large sensors is already expensive. Producing large sensor with high resolution is even more. Adding mordn technologies even adds more to the costs. I'm sorry but we won't see that on a cheap full-frame camera. Smartphones sensors can add certain features more easily due to the amount they produce + the smaller size. A smartphone sensor is 10 to 30 times smaller.
@@vlcheish sorry, the crippled hammer is forever owned by canon.. they just updated the trademark with the r52 (no full 24fps functionality with older battery) Panny gotta get their own cripple trademark.. what about a cripple mallet... Hey .. thats not bad 😂😁
@@simonmaduxx6777 While Canon is the OG of the cripple hammer I will say in that case that really was more of a goof by Canon, an overlooked bug in v1.0 of the firmware because it’s not listed in the manual(there are actual limitations to the older battery they state). The R5II comes with a LP-E6P that allowed all users who bought the camera by default to record in 24p and they have a list of features that the older battery does not support but the lack of 24p was never one of them. Probably they goofed with the Q/A and didn't care to stop production release. The R5II is a bug ridden camera and was released too soon. Panasonic cripple mallet (tm) here clearly was releasing a camera with an advertised 10 min video recording when clearly they knew this was going to be the most important thing talked about day one.
To anyone knowledgeable -- does lowering the output resolution reduce the heat generated? There seems to be lots of interest in this as a webcam, where you might want to stream for hours using a dummy battery, but where something like 1080/30 or even 720/30 would be just fine.
There is no USB streaming afaik, so you'll have to use a capture card. Generally speaking using a lower resolution like 1080p should help with overheating.
Does it have an actual proper hotshoe for flash? I thought it didn’t. Makes it a lot less attractive, I think. A more complete full frame camera can be had for just a little more.
The real time LUT function in video works so well that I shoot a lot of the lower end social media client work with it and it saves so much time. I have shot hundreds of short clips back to back without the camera ever getting hot as well as multiple 10 minute takes in a row so I always figured a update like this will come and here it is. Love it Panasonic
no record limit anymore suddenly makes the S9 a lot more interesting. If I didn't invest too much into my Canon R8 and extra lenses, I actually might pick one up. The IBIS is a big factor
does it overheat
Edit: watch 7:30
@@thatsreallyamoonI haven't overheated my R8 and the record limits they are showing there I doubt I would overheat the S9.
I do like my R8 alot.
I don't know if Ibis is a huge deal for video work. I say that because even today some high-end video centric cameras don't have Ibis. Most videographers use a gimble for smooth shots with small cameras and use the overall weight of their rig for bigger cameras. Ibis at least in Canon camera's introduces wobles at the edges of the frame.
Now for photography I don't own a long telephoto I would guess Ibis would be nice for that.
@@answeris4217I have Lumix S5ii and with the dual IS in body with OIS in my 70-300 the stability is amazing. I di nature photography and short video clips of birds, animals etc getting 630mm crop c4k 50 from the 70-300. Handheld the IS is outstanding and necessary for this. I haven't used a tripod since buying S5ii
@@answeris4217 NO.... gimbals are used for very specific shots by actual professionals and way overused by idiots... Also not a single High-End video camera in the world has ibis the high-end for Video cameras would be Arri Alexa or Sony Venice (RED and Panavision too i guess)... none of them have IBIS nobody ever asked for them to have IBIS
In my opinion that is surprisingly good for a compact collapsible kit lens. The softness in the corners is most likely due to the lens not actually covering the entire sensor and is relying on heavy software corrections like on some Canon R mount and Sony E mount lenses. I bet that lens is actually black in the corners when uncorrected.
I've seen some UA-camrs using the Sony lens on Nikon camera and the corner is fairly dark
Thank you Lumix for Listening. Great work Fellas!
🎉 Cool. I gave no issues with the S9 or this lens. Looks great. Don't know why people who have no interest in this tier of camera are losing their minds over it. There's plenty pro sports, video, and wildlife options out there. 😂
The S9 works just fine for me in my 2 months of owning it. It fits the type of content i make and it works really well for it. Really happy to see the recording limit go away.
Chris I am going to put this lens on my Sigma FP L and there's nothing you can do to stop me! lol
Not talking about any lenses, I really still think it needs an EVF, even an attachment to put in the hotshoe to be "complete".
I personally said when it launched, that this camera line is going to have the easiest Mark 2 version ever. Based on what it has already, those few critical editions will make this a absolute barn burner.
Evf (even if optional)
proper hotshoe
headphone jack
and 1st curtain
Then you are off to the races was a highly highly capable camera especially for video.
(And tweak the body styling so it's less of a brick.. comfortable/ holdable is crucial)
That's about it. It could literally be a parts been swapped from the S52 😊
yeah I have an S9, and while the screen is actually REALLY nice (BRIGHT, high resolution,) and I get why it has a cold shoe because of the e-shutter, they still could have definitely had accessory port pins in the shoe mount for a nice EVF attachment -- that's the ONE thing I actually wish I could have for my S9
There is no hotshoe unfortunately, only a coldshoe.
@@Bayonet1809 yeah big mistake imo
Imagining a Fuji XPro style hybrid viewfinder and this whole world changes.
Damn, as a climber, that's a really good lens!
An M43 version would be nice - Small form factor with lenses that actually suit it. EVF, flip screen, strong IBIS and the real time LUTS would be a winner. Take my money, I have M43 lenses waiting.
Lol, the entire m4/3 community is waiting for that! A "GM9" reborn with modern guts. 😄
Panasonic, if you’re listening, give me a GX95 with S9 firmware and I’ll eat ramen for a year if that’s what it takes to buy it.
With a hotshoe will be nice
@@cmsmart13 Same, although I don't know if my wife would be willing to make the same sacrifice....
It's legit baby S5ii now, I use it all the time, especially with the luts functionality and their new app it's crazy good
Panasonic could avoid so much shame if they released the S9 with this lens and this firmware :) I'd love to have such tiny lens with this amazing range for traveling. I hope the other manufacturers will do similar lenses too.
I love the S9 with my Sigma 45mm 2.8. Always with me, perfect secondary camera to the S5II. I only miss a mechanical shutter. But it's fine 95% of the time
Looks like a perfect addition. Even with the S5ii
Now it actually is a content creator cam or a cam for beginners wo want to grow into their camera! THANK YOU LUMIX! I AM SO EXCITED TO BUY MY FIRST EVER CAMERA FROM YOU!
Gah...I want Lumix to succeed and gain users and it's so mindboggling that they didn't release the S9 with this, even if that meant delaying launch. That 28mm was barfo disgusto
Wow! Without those strict record limits it suddenly became a very attractive camera! I would like it has remote control and hot shoe, but even now it would be nice to have it as a casual/street life/travel camera as well as B-camera for video recording because my S5IIx is too bulky to take it with me as an everyday casual camera.
Hoping for a decent pancake (~ F1.8) in near future. Hey Sigma, Samyang, can you help with that?
samyangs going to release an L mount version off their 35mm sony e mount compact and 7artisan's going to release a 35mm f2.8 compact as well as part of their "infinite" lens line
It sure looks that way. It's size and weight could make it a great full frame gimbal camera.
I don't know if I would take it on a hike. I like having my camera in hand on hikes. This doesn't seem comfortable for that. But for travelling it would be perfect.
Campest promo intro by Jordan ever! Absolutely hilarious. You two go from strength to strength
Lens is a kit lens..and in that context I think it works well enough and is so light (big plus)...the across the board firmware updates for so many LUMIX cameras were a big boost, including removing the recording limit on the S9.
panasonic needs a 2.8 line of their primes and they are all done for lenses. In my opinion they are doing well. Until more compact primes available, I am happy with my S9 / Sigma 45mm.
It doesn’t ! A micro43 camera that’s between GM5 and GX9 in size with EVF, new 26MP sensor with phase detect AF and all the smarts, the best IBIS possible, tilt screen A6400 style, Built-in bounceable flash. We already have the lenses for it. The S9 is the solution to a problem nobody had.
A camera that people have been waiting for since the GX8 pretty much. I'd love one too, but I feel like Lumix are having to wait until they can get the M43 sensor pricing down. However much we want a camera like that, noone would be willing to pay more than the GH7 for what most would consider to be a X100VI competitor.
100% agree
The S9 is Panasonic’s answer to Sony’s very popular A7C line, and somewhat misguidedly, a Leica. A true rangefinder would be much more appreciated so at least give us EVF and a hot shoe.
Is not about solutions, it's about a choice
Yessss. A new MFT mount rangefinder camera with viewfinder, mech. Shutter and if possible, weather sealing. gx85 dial setup and grip. But deeper. Inbuilt pop up flash and lumix lab support. With new 25 MP sensor and phase dictect along with thise tiny mft primes, what more could u ask for?? Perfect camera
It's nuts that they limited the record length SO MUCH when it can survive for so long. Sure it'll be less in hotter environments, but this makes it way more appealing.
If it had a physical shutter, it'd now have my full attention
If they had done 6K 30min, 4K 45min, 1080p 60min it would have been enticing for a release date purchase for me
Actually I bought the S9 with the 20 to 60mm kit lens. That setup was not a bad hiking outfit for me and I used it this summer on various trails. I just pre-ordered the 18-40mm lens, which seems like the natural kit lens for this camera. I love Panasonic cameras for video and something small like this will make me grab and go with it.
I want one for my S5ii 😊
Like Chris said, give us EVF, mechanical shutter and bump the readout specs a bit and I am dropping my Fujifilm set on market place. The LUTs are better than Film simulations!
Hey, that's an a Idea for a video Chris. A few Popular film simulations form X-weekly vs Panasonic LUTs app!
Great work guys! 📸
ADORE that they can do the multiple frame markers now! I suggested that on the GH6 to a rep 2 years ago when they asked how I liked it. If that comes to the GH7 (or dare I hope my GH6?) 😻
I'd love this with a similar lens to the Nikon Z mount 40mm f2, but for L mount, to have something compact but decent for lower light/indoor situations
Small size, seems like the perfect webcam. I’ve been using the Z8 for my webcam, but a smaller form factor of this camera would fit into the prompter nicer.
Very appealing, but I wonder -- would the recording limits / overheating be a problem as a webcam? Or does lowering the output resolution to something like 1080p / 30 reduce the heat generated?
@@tsnorris1 you’re not recording when you’re using it as a WebCam. It’s just a video feed to the computer.
That’s still reading the sensor no?
@@janwedek LOL. Well, I was obviously answering your question about recording limits, ie., you’re not recording anything. You could definitely press record on the camera (maybe for redundancy reasons), but doing so is not necessary for a webcam.
Regarding the 2nd part of your question, addressing overheating; I haven’t personally encountered this issue, maybe because I’m indoors. It would be a huge pain if there were overheating issues with some cameras though.
Edit: Also, I ended up buying the $15 HDMI to USB adapter from Amazon, ie. Not the $100 Elgato one. The cheaper HDMI adapter I have only does 1080 at 30FPS, so I have my camera settings to 1080. Maaaaaaybe if the camera was set to stream at 4K it would generate more heat, but I doubt it since it’s doing so little. You could test yourself; just change your power settings on your camera to not turn off, plug the camera into constant power, and leave it on for a few hours and see what happens (don’t press record, just leave it on)…. that’s essentially what it’s doing as a webcam. Let us know.
@@janwedekThe processor isn’t capturing and compressing video, so there is a lot less heat generated in the camera.
I've been shooting professionally for now 43 years... i don't think i can remember a single of your reviews where i was able to "see the corners not being sharp" are my eyes just so old or is the difference on todays lenses just so tiny that it absolutely doesn't matter... i have not bought a single piece of glass sind like the 90s that i was not happy with (to be fair it was mostly EF and L Mount glass)
Almost all low to mid range Canon RF lenses have image circles smaller than the sensor, so the corners are recovered from the vignetted area via algorithms. It's probably still better than any 2000s travel zoom though :)
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x i mean if the image circle was actually smaller than the sensor you'd just get nothing i mean vignetting of course isn't nice but who cares if a glass has some fault if it's fixed in camera?
Everything HAS gotten a LOT better over time. The improvements becomes smaller and smaller and I can rarely noticed the problems as well. That's what's keeping my from upgrading from my G85.... I need to become a better videographer/photographer first.
@@LoFiAxolotl check out Christopher Frost's review of the RF 24-240. Uncorrected RAW has corners vignetted. I guess there's still some information in the vignette
@@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x Okay and what does that matter? You have to actively turn off in camera corrections... that's like buying a car and then saying it only runs in one gear after ripping out the transmittion... If you look close enough no lens if perfect... but we now have the tools to make any glass look almost perfect and manufacturers can rely on cheaper manufacturing and then hide imperfections with software... that's beautiful... and it translates to wider availability and cheaper glass.... 20 years ago a 24-240 lens would've looked like absolute garbage or would've cost you literally as much as a house
5:05 The distortion does a 180 by just focusing? That's rough.
Yikes! That was a good catch.
Wow ! Never saw a middling kit zoom get so many people so excited. 😅
You know, I am NOT the target S9 customer. No EVF? Heck no! Photo shooter only? Get real! I already have an S5, and assorted M43, so NO WAY! (I don't actually care about the e-shutter only, for what I shoot, so that was never a dealbreaker for me.)
BUT. I prefer smaller camera bodies. And I HATE Sony's color science and AWB, so I am not a fan of the A7C line.
So, I decided, what the heck, and ordered the S9. With the 28-200mm.
And a funny thing happened. Even though I still would prefer an EVF, the LCD on the S9 is bright enough (backlight set to +3) to see outdoors in sunlight. And the 28-200mm is mighty small for that much reach. AND it has lovely color rendition (as does the S9 itself, even before getting into LUT territory). Soooo...it now goes with me everywhere.
I am enjoying using this camera so darn much. I have it set up with all the customization I prefer for my usual shooting situations, and it's small, portable (yes, even with the 28-200mm), and it is a joy to use. It has essentially supplanted my M43 gear as a daily driver (except for long telephoto, as nothing FF will match the PL 100-400mm for reach at a manageable size).
The last camera that made me smile when I used it, as much as this one, was the GM5.....and that got roundly panned when it came out, too (but used ones now get the accolades that it missed when it was in production...).
Anyway, I hope you all out there will give this camera a try if you are thinking about it, as it really is just an enjoyable bit of kit that has exceptionally nice output on top of being a fun camera to work with. You may be surprised....
I have found that the beautiful framing I get when looking through the EVF, and the editing I do on a large monitor ends up lacking something when it is then viewed on a small phone screen. Some have suggested that framing on the small camera screen gives you a better idea of what will look good for images that end up on social media. I suppose the S9 is the camera to do that with.
yep, will stick to my S5 with it's 20-60. Thanks for the info.
You'll be selling that monster 20-60 soon to buy this.😊
Chris keeps looking at a hammer and saying, "That screwdriver sucks." The S9 is Panasonic's version of the Fuji X100 VI. Designed for people who are new to shooting cameras (aside from cameraphones). The targeted demographic is Either Gen Z'ers or Vlog Moms and Vlog Dads. The people who Panasonic wants to sell the S9 to neither know, nor care, what a mechanical shutter is. They care about whether it is small and convenient to carry around, whether it will keep them in focus, and does it look cute.
Yeah I understand that rationale. And even if they did stick an EVF on it, their "target market" would simply ignore it and use the screen, like they do on their smartphones.
@@Centauri27 Exactly!
This is now going to be a video monster, the compact form factor and no mechanically shutter makes so much more sense once you stick it in a cage and rig it out for video. It's basically a Sigma FP without active cooling.
I don't think Sigma FP has PDAF or IBIS and Lumix IBIS is king.
Chris - I think you're still missing the context and the purpose of the S9. You said that a second version of the S9 needs a mechanical shutter, an EVF and a headphone jack to make it more compelling. Well Panasonic already sell a camera with all those things called the S5II. The purpose of the S9 is to be smaller, simpler (fewer buttons and dials), fun to use and a cute appearance. It was never meant to be equal to an S5II.
You forget Chris is a dick
Fair but I want them to add all those things I asked for and make it even smaller!
7:30 Wow, it definitely moves the camera toward being a functional video device for content creation (most of my recording is definitely over their previous limits). The lens looks decent given its size. 👍
Even a low-resolution, 2.36 million-dot rangefinder-style EVF on the back would have been a welcome addition to this camera. Or maybe an optional add-on EVF?
Still, I would just rather buy an S5 II or S5 IIX on the used market for about the same price.
I bet if it had a proper hotshoe, the Leica evf might have worked.
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That's a nice little lens. I don't really see the point of it outside the size though. The 20-60 is a more versatile range and still plenty wide enough. Good to have options though. And if you did want a tiny lens, its great
It’s all about size and slightly wider angle.
Exactly you don't see the point but mentioned it... Size 😊
But you forgot the incredible low weight of only 155g
If only firmware could add a shutter and EVF 😂
Great use of the GH7. So good that I'm wondering about the video at 2:25. What lens and microphone setup did you use? Great bokeh, very shallow depth of field, and crystal clear audio on a sidewalk. You two are excellent.
Have to agree with Jordan with his KEH plug… regarding the PL12-60/2.8-4, I had that lens for 7 years and it really is one the best lenses I’ve ever used regardless of format. It would be nice for Panasonic to update the FF 24-105 to be a 24-120/2.8-4.
I did quite a bit of video work with the S9 in Death Valley and it never overheated on me. Temps were up to 115F.
Gimme me a S9 mark ii with built-in EVF plus this lens and i'd be interested.
No one who is in the business for this kind of camera needs a evf
The people want walk around hybrids!
I agree with Chris regarding an EVF
This camera/lens combo looks like it could be a good gimbal setup to compliment an S5iiX or S1
The lens is making me consider purchasing the S9 but I still probably won’t
Get the S9 if you like the size, but use a different lens. There are better options.
I think the zoom range plus size makes it worth it.
@@raizt1596Other options like what in the same size and weight. You guys miss the whole point of this.😊
Sony has nothing like this and I love it
Great, just after I decided to go with the a7cii instead.
But I still love that camera.
The distortion during the focus breathing test was insane
I'm obsessed with lightening my full frame gear lately and I like this direction from Panasonic. This lens is interesting but I'd still lean toward the 14-28mm and 28-200mm as a two lens system covering me for almost everything I'd need. It's too bad it's only 24mp. Sony has the A7CR (or even A7C2 may be high resolution enough) but no lenses that compare (no 14mm zoom lens that takes filters, and the 24-240mm always gets terrible reviews).
Great video!
IF Nikon releases a camera like this, then i would ourchase it. For me, this will answer my needs for a streaming/web cam. The size, the auto focus, and full frame is solid for that purpose.
I really wonder what the rationale behind crippling the video mode to only 10 min, to begin with, if the camera does not get hot!
All the UA-camrs that do overheating tests. 😉
Jokes aside, it was already a polarizing camera, if it did overheat, it would have been criticized more.
To not canibalize too much the other cameras, I guess. But that's kind of canon cripple hammer outdated thinking. And even so, if they made it 30 and 40min instead of 10 and 15, it would have been noticed but a lot less than that.
One less thing for reviewers to be mad at. Limiting it on launch handles a lot of that. Viewers would probably think less favourably of the camera if it was shown to overheat than if it were shown to have a record limit.
They were playing it safe, I would guess because it wasn't super thoroughly tested. Their gear has generally been always been reliable. Also playing it safe so that folks are not treating it like a GH series or so.
I understand where you coming from, although if we speak about the cost, $1800 is not what most people would consider affordable.
But then again, you have had plenty of costly gear in this channel, so if we do put that in perspective, I guess we can say this camera kit is on the affordable side.
I don't know much about Panasonic gear, I don't know where it seats in their range of products (is it for beginners for example?) which I think it may be important to put in perspective/context.
Practical lens for video but it should've had a leaf shutter inside to make up for the lack of mechanical shutter in the S9.
I wish more companies would do open gate recording. You have an awesome full frame camera sensor. Why not let people use it for full video.
I bought tge R8 for its video capabilities and now I'm also taking awesome pictures with it. I don't see why this camera couldn't get people into the lumix lineup. It takes all the expensive glass so you can grow into the lineup.
Feeling like this is how they meant to release the camera, but weren't quite ready yet and were like, just throw that little crappy pancake on it and we'll update it in the firmware later, lol! Either way, until they give it a mechanical shutter and a hotshoe like you perfectly summed up in the outro, It's just never going to quite be the camera we all hoped it might be. Imo that's literally all it really needs. I can even live without an evf. Matter fact, I could have lived with a smaller battery in exchange for those two highly imperative abilities.
It's only for vlogging. For everything else it needs a hot shoe, detachable EVF and a second curtain mechanical shutter but the same price
Chris the point I see is that it’s the only alternative to the Sony ZV-E1 and I think it’s the closest market match
Does the S9 have some kind of focus breathing compensation in the body? That focus breathing looks pretty distracting but with how wide it is, a little software magic seems like it could a pretty compelling vlogging and casual video lens.
The new firmware and lens I think it makes this a much more compelling beginner/casual camera for family photos and videos. For the enthusist it really lacks the features they'd be looking for, all of which are hardware changes. Mechanical shutter and hotshoe (capable of the some audio device that maybe adds a headphone jack?) would really round this camera out both for photographers and videographers, at least to me the EVF would be a fair compromise for the body size.
It's not the camera for me, at least it makes more sense now. This body I think has merits if they drop a M43 setup into it with the mechanical shutter and hotshoe, could end up being a veeerrryyyyy compelling camera. While they're at it they should drop an updated 20mm F1.7 with a competent AF motor. Would make an amazing combo.
I was waiting for something like this.
What camera and lens combo was used to film the review? Thanks 🙂
This lens with the S9 is perhaps the ideal combo for backpacking or bikepacking. Add a 50 f1.8 for the occasional portrait and I'm set.
What are your thoughts on the need for weathersealing for backpacking?
@@tsnorris1 Based on experience, a weathersealed lens paired with a non-weathersealed camera is the minimum you want if you want to shoot in light rain (and obviously not leaving it out just sitting on a tripod uncovered). I hike with my camera attached with a capture clip on my shoulder strap. With intermittent light rain, I just put a cheap disposable shower cap over it. If it starts to pour hard, I put it in my backpack. It's mainly the condensation you have to think about.
It finally became a worthy b-cam or streaming cam. I'd rather they make it box style with npf battery but whatever. Can't take it as a photo camera though, rolling shutter is a no-go.
Thumbs up for framelines 👍👍
You guys have too much fun.
I would seriously consider an S9 but, well, I'm old-fashioned. I want a viewfinder. Build us another GX7 or similar. If I could find a GX7 or similar in my price range, I'd be out street shooting right now
I actually prefer the sun flares from this lens to the super well defined ones that look pointy, symmetrical, and fake. I do like that pointy symmetrical look for street lights at night, but I hate that look for the sun, especially at sunset. They are supposed to be sun rays, not sun points.
Fun, hope they get back to “pro” level lenses eventually, maybe update that lens roadmap. I kinda want an s9 as a second event camera to shoot video with a prime or something it’s so small, do it like the photographers, 2 cameras and prime lenses. 😂
I love my ricoh GRiiiX but i am highly considering this thing with the sigma 45,, f/2.8 and call it the day.
I just got myself an a7c2 instead
Great choice!
that's what I want too
@@aluxious where you already an L-mount shooter? Or were you already in Sony?
@@KarlDomning neither. I was just in the market for a compact modern full frame camera. My camera then was the good ol'Canon 5d3. I was also seriously considering the s9
no comparison on those 2 cameras a7cii is a far better camera in any way ...from the form factor , the sensor, the features evf etc to the lens mount
Yesss been waiting for this
PPPP PetaPixel Party Poopers. Chris Pushin Ps fr
I bought the S9 even before any rumour of unlimited recording.
I made the right choice.....even better.
No record limit and new firmware features, wow. Sony, take note!
I still don’t think the 28 f8 is bad… at least inherently… I think it would be an interesting lens to have, and to combine it with something as small as the s9, which even as someone who’s a Sony shooter, finds quite tempting/appealing even if its def a mk1 product…
It’s mostly bad because of the price. It’s nearly real-lens priced, rather than goofy-accessory priced.
@@thebitterfig9903 yeah, it actually delivers decent images, but fixed aperture and MF only for that price is an absolute joke.
The 28 is not bad. I use it quite a bit.
Still waiting for the mechanical shutter firmware update.
My rhetorical question. When will Lumix provide AF for slow motion video above 150 fps? If Lumix finally provides this, I will buy it. The other camera makers provide it. Canon R8 has it 180fps, Sony, and Fuji has it up to 240fps. Slow Motion at 240fps with AF, is great for Wildlife and Street Video short film. I own and use S5ii, G9ii, but I leave them behind for slow motion video. Get with the program Lumix. I like Lumix design and ergonomics, but they leave stuff out I use, leaving me no option but to use Sony, Canon, and Fuji for AF in slow motion.
9:22 love my f/71 lenses
It would be handy to know how long it can recrd in 1080p
When I see a compact wide-angle lens for a mirrorless camera, a question instantly arises in my head - what is the actual sensor area it covers? And considering that it's a zoom, this lens scares me more than even the Canon 16 2.8.
viltrox bring us the 28 + 40 in L Mount. please!!! Great to see those firmware updates, S9 is defo top of my list atm.
I'd prefer a memeber of an L-mount alliance to do it as it will have better AF performance
the alliance has so many brands, they will not probably let viltrox make an af lens ...
Definitely. Some small reasonably fast primes are the final missing pieces.
@@sardanapalos well Meike is releasing AF lenses and they are not part of the alliance, so is not forbidden. They just have to reverse engineer the AF system by their own. Where as if you are part of the alliance you just get access to the back end of how it works.
@@RD.stillz well of course you can do it and pay the company that owns the mount some money, and surely if meike is doing it probably its worth for their business ...maybe viltrox will do it... if i new the future i would buy viltrox stokes :D
Hi Chris, it will be nice if you and Jordan, Peta Pixel reviewer team, could test the S9 pair with the Sigma 28-45 mm f1.8…😊
To be honest, only a little, i have decided it's me, and that this is a video camera. Im a stills guy, so for me, some of its constraints mean it doesn't work for me. Thats life.
You a boomer?
@@nocturnal1970 totally
S9 became excellent for me as amateur!
They should bring Quad Bayer 48/12MP stacked sensors if mechanical shutter is not possible.
12MP will be nice for 4K video and 48MP for times when you occasionally need high-res photos.
Sony LYT-808 sensor like technology with Dual layer stacked CMOS
Producing large sensors is already expensive. Producing large sensor with high resolution is even more. Adding mordn technologies even adds more to the costs. I'm sorry but we won't see that on a cheap full-frame camera. Smartphones sensors can add certain features more easily due to the amount they produce + the smaller size. A smartphone sensor is 10 to 30 times smaller.
That would make the video performance worse, you forget what this camera is...
With which camera this video was shot with please?
I want this for Sony E mount!
TLDW: Panasonic crippled the camera at launch. It didn't sell so they were forced to remove the cripple hammer.
@@vlcheish sorry, the crippled hammer is forever owned by canon.. they just updated the trademark with the r52 (no full 24fps functionality with older battery)
Panny gotta get their own cripple trademark.. what about a cripple mallet... Hey .. thats not bad 😂😁
@@simonmaduxx6777 While Canon is the OG of the cripple hammer I will say in that case that really was more of a goof by Canon, an overlooked bug in v1.0 of the firmware because it’s not listed in the manual(there are actual limitations to the older battery they state). The R5II comes with a LP-E6P that allowed all users who bought the camera by default to record in 24p and they have a list of features that the older battery does not support but the lack of 24p was never one of them. Probably they goofed with the Q/A and didn't care to stop production release. The R5II is a bug ridden camera and was released too soon.
Panasonic cripple mallet (tm) here clearly was releasing a camera with an advertised 10 min video recording when clearly they knew this was going to be the most important thing talked about day one.
Mechanic shutter 😢 and no firmware upgrade can fix that 😂 it avoided cannibalism between s9 and s5ii but also kept me staying with my S5.
To anyone knowledgeable -- does lowering the output resolution reduce the heat generated?
There seems to be lots of interest in this as a webcam, where you might want to stream for hours using a dummy battery, but where something like 1080/30 or even 720/30 would be just fine.
There is no USB streaming afaik, so you'll have to use a capture card. Generally speaking using a lower resolution like 1080p should help with overheating.
Does it have an actual proper hotshoe for flash? I thought it didn’t. Makes it a lot less attractive, I think. A more complete full frame camera can be had for just a little more.
A very nice improvement.
Could the sharpness issues arise from a non-flat focus field?
Now they need to add 1.6x desqueeze (or free ratio).
Oh no who let Chris do PPP acronyms again
How does this compare to Sony a7cII and its lenses?
At this price, I wish Tamron 20-40 2.8 would exist for L mount.
So Chris just suggested to get a S5II.