I've sold A7C II and jumped to S9. I much prefer Panasonic colors, LCD screen and IBIS is just insane. Those 3 things sealed the deal for me although A7C II is also a great camera. Nice comparison.
Contemplating that at the moment too. I upgraded from a Panasonic GX80 to the A7C II, however, didn't know that the A7C II stabilisation wasn't great at all. Plus, the colours on the Panasonic are a lot warmer and more contrast which I prefer!
Both are nice cameras…thought the S9 video output edged out the A7Cii, though the Sony likely the better hybrid for a photographer simply as it has a small EVF, partial mechanical shutter (?) and has some level of weatherproofing. Choose your needs based on what you do. In US S9 plus lens $1800. A7Cii with-lens $2500..
It could be due to a number of reasons, I kept the white balance the same for both cameras and decided to keep the WB fine tune setting at 0 to have more "out of the box" settings for this video. But the lens can affect the colour as well as the ND filter (although if you take a look at the photo comparisons towards the end, they were taken with no ND and there is still quite a colour difference SOOC)
You really need to shift towards magenta out of the box it seems. The green isn't a skin tone issue at all. The yellow however is a skin hue issue. Almost nothing is a skin tone issue.
Thank you for watching! And thanks, I think this is my first ever video I filmed with my hair straight, I just did not want to do my curls this day hahah
Needing to add a grip to the S9 just to use the kit lens completely negates the compact size and all the sacrifices you have to make to get that small size. I bet the S9 would feel totally unbalanced with anything but a few small lens offerings. I would love to see you use the S9 with a 24-70mm f2.8 attached and hear what you thought after a few hours with it in your hands. I want to like the S9 but between no viewfinder, no hot shoe, needing a bulky add-on grip, and a lack of smaller lens options that fit the S9 profile, its just too many sacrifices. I do not find enough value in to be more than a glorified cellphone thats hard to hold. I think the S9 will find a swift end for most people after the novelty wears off a few weeks or months down the road when the lack of features starts to become clearer and the question of value will weigh heavy on pros and amatures alike.
Having bigger hands, if I had to pick only one of these cameras, I’d pick the S5ii. Love the S9 features but my hand cramps thinking about it and I can’t live without a mech shutter. That 18-40mm seems dope 👍
My S5II often feels big and heavy so I want a smaller one for easy carry. I was excited when I first heard about the S9 but very disappointed when I learned that it doesn't have a hot shoe, only digital shutter and no headphone jack. I wish Panasonic could make a proper grip and add at least mechanical shutter and hot shoe, with a S9II.
I own the s5ii as well and ended getting the sony a7cr as the perfect walk around hybrid for travel etc. I wish lumix made the S9 a true hybrid camera with a view finder, mechanic shutter and ovf/EVF, it would have been so awesome
Been long time user of Lumix line (m43), and just got my s9 today. Fantastic camera but misses EVF. I also ordered Voigtlander 35mm ultron1.7 which fantastic lens under $400 -used.
Good review! Very informative on practical results and conditions 👍🏼 I'm not sure of their respective size, but I'd look at Tamron's 17-40/4 or 20-40/2.8 for such a comparison though 😉
I’m wondering if it’s the lens because my a7c II definitely doesn’t have that greenish skin tone look. I’m hoping my videos aren’t looking like that haha.
@@MikeeRogers I can confirm that the colors look that greenish, but you can’t tell while you are using the camera, i can tell by watching my old videos, there’s a certain Sony tint. I just switched to lumix and yes, i can confirm the colors are way better and easier yo grade.
@@dubenick But they do. I have the A7IV and yes, not like the A7III but still. And it’s more like a Sony look overall. More contrasty and greenish tint. Not saying it’s a bad thing though, it’s an overall look.
The S9 is so compelling but I can't yet put my finger on what is it that doesn't quite convince me. Considering the price, I'm more inclined to the Canon R8. I'd love a comparison between these two.
Yes Sony doesn't have this functionality. It means that when you switch from let's say 4k60 to 4k30 on Panasonic it will automatically choose the right shutter speed to meet 180 degree rule whereas on Sony you would need to adjust this manually. Of course custom modes on modern cameras solve this issue as you can save predefined settings separately so not a big deal.
@@MrRafalEn Thank you bro, Panasonic do this in manual modes too? From what i understand when you switch 60FPS, it set shutter 120, when you switch 25FPS, it sets 50. Then you can choose whatever value you want. Actually good idea even it is not a big deal.
Yup. Standard profile is pretty bad. It could be corrected in camera messing with gamma values. Auto White balance is also never to be trusted on Sony which she is probably using. You just have to know how to set it up. Many reviewers just go all auto everything and kind of give Sony a bad name. For strictly photography the whole color science thing is pretty irrelevant
Yeah Sony leans a bit more towards green in standard picture profile. In the log footage though, it's very easy to adjust this as you can see the colours looks very similar from both cameras. You can also use the white balance fine tune setting to make it more magenta if you like, but for this video I kept the white balance the same for both cameras and thus the fine tune setting at 0 for both for a more "out of the box" setting.
Sydney? I feel like seen lowlight l been travel there I miss that location I have a7cR and s5ii for video I choose s5ii but yea too big camera but s9 lack headphone jack is deal breaker for me😢
You have the exact same as myself . I own the s5ii and a7cr as well . I wish lumix gave the S9 a viewfinder , hot shoe and mechanical shutter. Hopefully they'll release a s9ii that's more well rounded.
I think the color and stability of Lumix are better, but these two points can be processed through post-processing, and usually the log is shot and restored to 709 color instead of Sony's standard color... Some of the more important considerations are that post-processing is not possible Processing, for example, the a7cii has a mechanical shutter and hot shoe, you can use it to take pictures, the S9 cannot.
Sony needs a competitor to the 18-40 from Lumix.. I know Sony has the 16-35 f4 pz which is a fantastic lens, but being able to keep the camera super compact is a bonus for potability.
The S9 seems to win on all fronts in image quality ... Color ... IBIS ....Low Light ... etc ... AF quite good ... but what is your actual Opinion/Verdict Julia ? 🙂
Yep, its just a sling bag from Uniqlo! So it doesn't have any padding or anything inside, but my camera was fine traveling like that all through Japan for a few weeks :D
I like the video but I think a better comparison would be pairing the Sony with a Tamron 20-40mm, a lens at a similar price point of the Lumix S 18-40mm
huge pro on the S9 is the real time luts; but on the flip side the sony lens options are actually a huge deal, the L mount options are basically sigma and thats it
A real shame the s9 doesn’t at least have an electronic first curtain - fingers crossed that if they ever make a mk2 that it will have it. The 18-40 looks great on it, and that super wide view is very appealing! Great review!
@JuliaTrotti That was so cool! I loved all the views of downtown Sydney. It reminds me a little bit of San Francisco. That waterfront is beautiful! (And oddly, I have a sudden craving for Japanese food...) Do you have good sushi there? :) I would love to see Sony add the nice video features that Panasonic implements on their bodies in software. I feel like if I did a lot of video (maybe this will happen some day...), I would want to use one of the Lumix cameras. But as a stills photographer, and as someone who doesn't want to invest in two completely incompatible lens sets, I definitely prefer Sony. Would you rather have a Lumix that adopts Sony features, or a Sony that adopts Lumix features?
@@Deebohuncho Not anymore and you simply didn't use latest gen cameras. I had Canon R8, Sony A7C II and now Panasonic S9. For my use case of running kids which is pretty demanding for autofocus all three cameras yield great results with no complaints.
the S9 can "only" do what you showed in the video...with the lack of mechanical shutter and EVF its use is very limited. It's beautiful but If you don't already have another Panasonic body/lens I don't see why you should buy it. On the contrary the sony could be the only camera you own. It is certainly not suitable for zooms above 300mm but otherwise you can do anything with it
Odd review, two completely different lenses. Sony cameras have a vast range of oem and third party , e.g. a Tamron 20 to 40 f2.8 for approx same price. That is a constant f2.8 too.
I'd probably still argue that something like the Sony A7C might still be a tad better for a few reasons over the Panasonic. I'd say the S9 is really for those who don't care about an EVF and need/want the absolutely smallest package but still good IQ. But for those who don't, an A7C might be a better value. The one thing for me that's missing is the EVF, and one thing that stops me from buying an S9 (as I do really want to find a small compact camera for travel as all of my other cameras are larger FF cameras, like the Z8 and the Zf). If the S9 goes on sale at some point for around $1k (without a lens) I might consider it, since I gues san EVF is not exactly critical, but one of "nice to haves" on my list). but for almost $1800 for the lens and camera, I'll probably just wait.
I've sold A7C II and jumped to S9. I much prefer Panasonic colors, LCD screen and IBIS is just insane. Those 3 things sealed the deal for me although A7C II is also a great camera. Nice comparison.
your best decision
Contemplating that at the moment too. I upgraded from a Panasonic GX80 to the A7C II, however, didn't know that the A7C II stabilisation wasn't great at all. Plus, the colours on the Panasonic are a lot warmer and more contrast which I prefer!
s9 low light video killing it
S9 is ALIVE with unlimited record update + 18-40 lens !! 😂
Like S5II, S9’s low light performance is impressing.
That's a good comparison video.
There is not a single review video of the 18-40mm lens in Japan yet, so this was very helpful.Thanks.
Both are nice cameras…thought the S9 video output edged out the A7Cii, though the Sony likely the better hybrid for a photographer simply as it has a small EVF, partial mechanical shutter (?) and has some level of weatherproofing. Choose your needs based on what you do. In US S9 plus lens $1800. A7Cii with-lens $2500..
The Sony skin tone is so green in that standard profile intro shots
Yeah, thats a settings issue
Yeah funny that standard is NOT standard.
It could be due to a number of reasons, I kept the white balance the same for both cameras and decided to keep the WB fine tune setting at 0 to have more "out of the box" settings for this video. But the lens can affect the colour as well as the ND filter (although if you take a look at the photo comparisons towards the end, they were taken with no ND and there is still quite a colour difference SOOC)
I prefer the Sony colour at the beginning - she looks red to me on the Panasonic
You really need to shift towards magenta out of the box it seems. The green isn't a skin tone issue at all. The yellow however is a skin hue issue. Almost nothing is a skin tone issue.
Thanks for the video. Btw the low light video in S9 is amazing
Thanks Julia, great video. I was in Sydney last month and I got some great photos from inside QVB. Such a beautiful building.
Thank you for putting so much effort into these very helpful videos! Also you hair looks great straight!
Thank you for watching! And thanks, I think this is my first ever video I filmed with my hair straight, I just did not want to do my curls this day hahah
Lumix for the win #teamlumix
Great content Julia!
Needing to add a grip to the S9 just to use the kit lens completely negates the compact size and all the sacrifices you have to make to get that small size.
I bet the S9 would feel totally unbalanced with anything but a few small lens offerings. I would love to see you use the S9 with a 24-70mm f2.8 attached and hear what you thought after a few hours with it in your hands.
I want to like the S9 but between no viewfinder, no hot shoe, needing a bulky add-on grip, and a lack of smaller lens options that fit the S9 profile, its just too many sacrifices. I do not find enough value in to be more than a glorified cellphone thats hard to hold.
I think the S9 will find a swift end for most people after the novelty wears off a few weeks or months down the road when the lack of features starts to become clearer and the question of value will weigh heavy on pros and amatures alike.
That lowlight on the S9 looked good !!!
oh boy the S9 stability is a beast
This is a great comparison. Just what I wanted to see! TY
Having bigger hands, if I had to pick only one of these cameras, I’d pick the S5ii. Love the S9 features but my hand cramps thinking about it and I can’t live without a mech shutter. That 18-40mm seems dope 👍
My S5II often feels big and heavy so I want a smaller one for easy carry. I was excited when I first heard about the S9 but very disappointed when I learned that it doesn't have a hot shoe, only digital shutter and no headphone jack. I wish Panasonic could make a proper grip and add at least mechanical shutter and hot shoe, with a S9II.
I own the s5ii as well and ended getting the sony a7cr as the perfect walk around hybrid for travel etc.
I wish lumix made the S9 a true hybrid camera with a view finder, mechanic shutter and ovf/EVF, it would have been so awesome
Been long time user of Lumix line (m43), and just got my s9 today. Fantastic camera but misses EVF. I also ordered Voigtlander 35mm ultron1.7 which fantastic lens under $400 -used.
Great comparison!
Effort level in these videos is so high, well done.
Good review! Very informative on practical results and conditions 👍🏼
I'm not sure of their respective size, but I'd look at Tamron's 17-40/4 or 20-40/2.8 for such a comparison though 😉
Just dropped some real-time insight. The S9 in Photo Mode with Hybrid Zoom goes up to 120mm. I can also confirm my Sigma 28-70 goes up to 218mm.
i think it is same as the sony... 40mm can go up to 120mm in apsc mode + 2 x clear image zoom
Always great videos from you...Lumix IBIS and colours are best.
A really nice little video combo...now just add a tiny Sigma 90/2.8 😉
Very thorough review, good job!
Thanks so much!
The lumix colors are way better than Sony
I’m wondering if it’s the lens because my a7c II definitely doesn’t have that greenish skin tone look. I’m hoping my videos aren’t looking like that haha.
@@MikeeRogers I can confirm that the colors look that greenish, but you can’t tell while you are using the camera, i can tell by watching my old videos, there’s a certain Sony tint. I just switched to lumix and yes, i can confirm the colors are way better and easier yo grade.
Sony has not had a greenish tint in their skins tones since the a7iii. So like 6 years? This is likely a white balance issue
@@dubenick But they do. I have the A7IV and yes, not like the A7III but still. And it’s more like a Sony look overall. More contrasty and greenish tint. Not saying it’s a bad thing though, it’s an overall look.
@@dubenick I have to agree. My ZV-E1 and a7c II look very similar in color, no green tint
The IBIS was noticeably better.
I do believe they made the S9 too small. I think they realised this hence why the additional grip is always shown.
finally, a comparison that makes sense !
If you get the S9 and want to vlog or shoot low light, get the 18mm s 1.8, it turns the s9 into the best vlog/walking/tutorial camera ever!
Wonderful video! What camera bag attachment adapter were you using? Looked super convenient!
Interesting to see the comparison of camera sizes with a SmallRig case on, but it doesn't give the best impression of the actual sizes, in my opinion.
The S9 is so compelling but I can't yet put my finger on what is it that doesn't quite convince me. Considering the price, I'm more inclined to the Canon R8. I'd love a comparison between these two.
@juliatrotti can you plz explain what's that black clip thing below both of the cameras?
Hey Julia, can you explain 9:04? S9 uses Shutter angle, bu Sony does not? And how this function works exactly?
Yes Sony doesn't have this functionality. It means that when you switch from let's say 4k60 to 4k30 on Panasonic it will automatically choose the right shutter speed to meet 180 degree rule whereas on Sony you would need to adjust this manually. Of course custom modes on modern cameras solve this issue as you can save predefined settings separately so not a big deal.
@@MrRafalEn Thank you bro, Panasonic do this in manual modes too? From what i understand when you switch 60FPS, it set shutter 120, when you switch 25FPS, it sets 50. Then you can choose whatever value you want. Actually good idea even it is not a big deal.
@@oguzT800 It does it in every mode where shutter speed is set manually.
Great video!
I think the Sony is more photo centric and LUMIX more video centric.
What is the camera mount clip you have on your bag at about 3:10 ?
Look for peak design
The s9 is so steady it almost look like it has a gimbal in some of the videos, that's crazy.
What bag are you using?
Am I just imagining it or does the Sony have a really green color cast on skin tones in the mid-tone and shadow-tone range?
Comment is regarding the non-log footage.
Yup. Standard profile is pretty bad. It could be corrected in camera messing with gamma values. Auto White balance is also never to be trusted on Sony which she is probably using. You just have to know how to set it up. Many reviewers just go all auto everything and kind of give Sony a bad name. For strictly photography the whole color science thing is pretty irrelevant
Yeah Sony leans a bit more towards green in standard picture profile. In the log footage though, it's very easy to adjust this as you can see the colours looks very similar from both cameras. You can also use the white balance fine tune setting to make it more magenta if you like, but for this video I kept the white balance the same for both cameras and thus the fine tune setting at 0 for both for a more "out of the box" setting.
@@juliatrotti As that is how a lot of people will use this camera I appreciate you showing us what standard profile looks like vs raw. Very helpful.
nice comparison!
S9 colors and stabilization are much better
Great video I’ve been looking to get an actual camera for my videos instead of just my iPhone
You can monitor with headphones using the USB port? It was said in the video, can someone confirm?
Where is the viewfinder on Panasonic S9? It's such a nice camera, it's a pity.
Sydney? I feel like seen lowlight l been travel there I miss that location
I have a7cR and s5ii for video I choose s5ii but yea too big camera but s9 lack headphone jack is deal breaker for me😢
You have the exact same as myself . I own the s5ii and a7cr as well . I wish lumix gave the S9 a viewfinder , hot shoe and mechanical shutter. Hopefully they'll release a s9ii that's more well rounded.
I think the color and stability of Lumix are better, but these two points can be processed through post-processing, and usually the log is shot and restored to 709 color instead of Sony's standard color... Some of the more important considerations are that post-processing is not possible Processing, for example, the a7cii has a mechanical shutter and hot shoe, you can use it to take pictures, the S9 cannot.
Why your face is not sharp on @05:00 ?
Sony needs a competitor to the 18-40 from Lumix.. I know Sony has the 16-35 f4 pz which is a fantastic lens, but being able to keep the camera super compact is a bonus for potability.
Comparable but Lumix's walking footage at the end is more stable.
Sony A7cii❤❤❤
S9 is killing it.
It was said they didn't give it a mech shutter and hotshoe to make it small..... The cii is still smaller lol
The battery is in the grip for the Sony which is why there is extra room inside
Considering there's almost always a grip attached to the S9, that was a wasted opportunity on the Lumix and a good call on the Sony @@Metro6am
@@nickthaskater maybe with influencers/youtubers who were given them with the camera.. I don’t have one on mine and don’t want one!
The S9 seems to win on all fronts in image quality ... Color ... IBIS ....Low Light ... etc ... AF quite good ... but what is your actual Opinion/Verdict Julia ? 🙂
You mentioned the bag you’re using and that it holds the two cameras. Looks interesting. Which bag is it?
A basic Uniqlo sling bag
Yep, its just a sling bag from Uniqlo! So it doesn't have any padding or anything inside, but my camera was fine traveling like that all through Japan for a few weeks :D
Wish I was there in the city to meet you and Dan in person❤
S9 makes now sense with this 18-40 - faboulus even so I am a Sony shooter - kudos to Panasonic
Agreed, I wish they released the camera with this lens!
I like the video but I think a better comparison would be pairing the Sony with a Tamron 20-40mm, a lens at a similar price point of the Lumix S 18-40mm
huge pro on the S9 is the real time luts; but on the flip side the sony lens options are actually a huge deal, the L mount options are basically sigma and thats it
Does sony have a real time LUTS like the lumix s9?
no
What do you mean? Asking if one brand has a "name" invented by other brand is a bit subjective.
@@baihu4u In fact YES! They are just called differently. Panasonic went for marketing bullshit names. They both can bake luts in the footage.
Sony's version is picture profiles
Hi Julia 📷 ! I pick the Sony 📸 & am glad you had a delicious 😋 lunch 😊
I love my A7CII.
I prefer Lumix S9, the colours are more natural📷
Nice hair style, you 're pretty🤩
Lumix exposure compensation on the face is better than Sony.
hi Julia, can u make a review photoshoot with 18-40, thanks^^
A real shame the s9 doesn’t at least have an electronic first curtain - fingers crossed that if they ever make a mk2 that it will have it. The 18-40 looks great on it, and that super wide view is very appealing! Great review!
@JuliaTrotti That was so cool! I loved all the views of downtown Sydney. It reminds me a little bit of San Francisco. That waterfront is beautiful! (And oddly, I have a sudden craving for Japanese food...) Do you have good sushi there? :)
I would love to see Sony add the nice video features that Panasonic implements on their bodies in software. I feel like if I did a lot of video (maybe this will happen some day...), I would want to use one of the Lumix cameras. But as a stills photographer, and as someone who doesn't want to invest in two completely incompatible lens sets, I definitely prefer Sony. Would you rather have a Lumix that adopts Sony features, or a Sony that adopts Lumix features?
Which one is better between sony a7iv & nikon z63 for wedding photography and videography would be great appreciated
What memory card do you use with the Sony A7Cii for videos?
Nice new hairstyle!
Sold my Ricoh GRiiiX and picke up the s9 with the sigma 45mm 2.8, the lens will never come ff that body.
People gonna be biased to S9 mainly due to the skin tone issue on the Sony A7C II
Has Panasonic solved its annoying AF problems with people wearing glasses?
lumix superior color. fantastic!
S9 needs more compact lenses and then it’ll really set it above and beyond the Sony option.
Yep, my thoughts exactly, Faster ones at that! The Sony trio is a good example.
The Luxix looks so much better
Sony skin likes dead body. Lumix skin is so natural. 18-40 is much more useful than 28-50. IBIS Lumix is class above.
No se cual elegiría ya que las son diferentes y buenas marcas y la calidad es buena es las dos
Sony always looks jittery. Nice town I think I’ll book a holiday in Sydney 👍
Lumix has a brighter color! And it's very noticeable!
Lumix has better colors and considerably better IBIS
julia, you should have been a model, Top Model ❤😊
Don't know what you've done Julia, but you are lookin' even better than usual .......
and great review as always
God Bless you❤
Both are good. You demo nauseated me so I had to stop.
you are is the best 😍 ever
Sony should get rid off the ibis to just use the sony catalyst browse
lumix colour leans towards magenta while sony feels too green. hmm...
The Sony's stab is not as good, has some jitters that you don't see on the Panasonic S9.
Both a nice cameras, I personally lean to the A7Cii for overall ecosystem, lens choices, and superior AF.
the AF looks the same what are you talking about?
@@cheesedrinkalSony AI Autofocus is LIGHTYEARS above anything APS-C has as of right now.
@@Deebohuncho where? it is exactly the same in this video? other than spamming buzzwords did you actually watch the video?
@@Deebohuncho Not anymore and you simply didn't use latest gen cameras. I had Canon R8, Sony A7C II and now Panasonic S9. For my use case of running kids which is pretty demanding for autofocus all three cameras yield great results with no complaints.
@@DeebohunchoThere was no APS-C camera in this comparo.
the S9 can "only" do what you showed in the video...with the lack of mechanical shutter and EVF its use is very limited.
It's beautiful but If you don't already have another Panasonic body/lens I don't see why you should buy it.
On the contrary the sony could be the only camera you own. It is certainly not suitable for zooms above 300mm but otherwise you can do anything with it
Odd review, two completely different lenses. Sony cameras have a vast range of oem and third party , e.g. a Tamron 20 to 40 f2.8 for approx same price. That is a constant f2.8 too.
Sony raw is easy
I'd probably still argue that something like the Sony A7C might still be a tad better for a few reasons over the Panasonic. I'd say the S9 is really for those who don't care about an EVF and need/want the absolutely smallest package but still good IQ. But for those who don't, an A7C might be a better value. The one thing for me that's missing is the EVF, and one thing that stops me from buying an S9 (as I do really want to find a small compact camera for travel as all of my other cameras are larger FF cameras, like the Z8 and the Zf).
If the S9 goes on sale at some point for around $1k (without a lens) I might consider it, since I gues san EVF is not exactly critical, but one of "nice to haves" on my list). but for almost $1800 for the lens and camera, I'll probably just wait.
Sony with the typical default dead human being color
The Sony Skinton is still behind.
Doesn't Sony have a Z series vlogging camera?
The A7CII has a VF so much better if you are into photography as well.
OPEN GATE.. S9 wins.
LUMIX S9 COULEURS ET STABILISATION
You're beautiful 💚
Sony Stabilization is unacceptable.
Missing the hot shoe is the deal breaker of S9.