The cups you are referring to remind me of the days I spent in a garage repairing engines. The valve train to be specific. The (cups) your referring to are called keepers in the auto industry. Same idea. Two halves of a mechanical fastener that make a whole to hold the compressed spring tension. Thank you for the detailed video that covers this "primer drag" concern.
The main selling points of having the DPM spring kit is not only "Recoil Reduction" (which he did mention), but tuning as well. Yes, I understand that he is try to bust this (unheard-of myth, to me) of "primer drag" with the firing pin guide rod spring set combo but from what I gather, that isn't a selling point of this TUNING: If you're planning on running hotter loads out of your pistol like +P & +P+ or heavy rounds like 180-grain JHPs, that is where this kit will really shine. The stock springs are optimized for 115-124 grain bullets. So, if that is what you're running, you likely won't notice as big a difference with this kit installed, as those that are pushing the limits of powerful ammunition out of their subcompact handguns. The direction of where your empty casings fly is not preference but rather an indication of whether you are or are not running the correct spring for your chosen round. Ideally, you want your casing to eject just past 90 degrees. If they are coming out to the front or to the rear of your gun, then you're not running the correct spring for the ammo you are shooting. Hope that clears some things up for those of you that are new to the concept of these performance spings.
Many thanks for an excellent vid, Top! Rigorous, impartial testing with empirical conclusion. I have a gen two P365 (born May, 2018) and have put 4,300 rounds through it since Aug., 2018 with no problems at all. I think the primer drag is unavoidable owing to the extremely fast cycle rate and has not affected the performance at all. My 365 proved itself reliable enough to have become my edc and is a honey of a self defense weapon. I believe you've saved a lot of people a lot of money. You've picked up another subscriber!
I agree, I don't believe you can eliminate primer drag on a P365 due to it's extreme compact size and the speed at which it needs to cycle. I just don't think it is possible to eliminate it. As long as the gun operates reliably (and the P365 most certainly does that), who cares about primer drag anyway? .. what difference does it make? .. I think this is really a non-topic topic. I don't care how much drag there is as long as my P365 continues to operate perfectly, and so far it has.
Its nice to see someone being realistic about a-lot of hipe etc with needing to make changes etc...I am in line with the same frame of mind as I have been suckered into stuff I never needed wasting lots of $$! Thanks for the work on videos!
My Sig 365 has a born date of 2/19 and is still all stock. I’ve never had any issues but does have (a little) primer drag. Personally I’m not a big fan of changing internals, sights or trigger bar, yes. Great video!
Just got a p365 with a factory date of March 2020. Didn't know much about the 365, but used sig's p228 when I was in the military and really liked that. This thing is starting to become my new favorite pistol! Heard they fixed the primer drag issue with the later models, I'll have to look at the casings next time I head to the range. Good video and very detailed!
The primer drag is simply due to the timing, there’s no movement of the slide before the barrel starts to unlock, a heavier spring resisting movement of the slide rearward will only reduce drag a tiny bit. Only way to make a difference is to change the point where the slide n barrel starts to unlock. A different profile to the locking lug on the barrel or how it engages the chassis, allowing the locked slide to move rearward more, increasing lock time. I’m understanding the 365xl doesn’t drag, or minimally. I haven’t looked at them but a slightly longer slide n barrel combination would allow longer lock time, making sense that the xl doesn’t have the issue.
Dean You are welcome. Thank you for the compliment. Purchase it and feel confident with it. The bugs have been worked out. I have one of the very first 365’s and it has never failed me.
It just a bad batch of strikers, they had only 0.008% of the p365s were returned and of course no one talks about it but the p226 has actually had more returns to sig than the p365. I purchased the 2tone version at cabelas on Black Friday and they assured me it’s bugs are all worked out and I have the same 45 degree angled striker. Gun is awesome. It’s in sigs best interest to work out all the bugs. Great gun it’s my EDC
Watching another video on 365 primer drag a while ago and someone commented that most all tiny 9's have it in some capacity just based on their design (striker) size and ability for gases to expand (or not) in a short barrel. Took my Kahr CM9 that I've had no problems with down to the range and sure enough it drags a bit as well.
hockey playah correct sir. This video was to prove those 2 items didn’t eliminate primer drag. SIG has come out with a new designed striker they does significantly decrease it on the 365 though.
My 100% Stock P 365 was manufactured 04 Feb 2018. I've been shooting it since March 5, 2018. So far no manfunctions, no replacement parts, but hundreds od comments on You Tuber my striker would break on the next shot or when I needed it to protect myself. I never fell into to that Trash Talk. I have over 5,000 rounds thru mine using Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ's . From what ican find out about the ammo is it's N.A.T.O. spec. @ 1275 FPS. It's going to the range today!
C Kim there are valid arguments for both sides. I sent mine back mid 18 for trigger bar spring. Came back with V2 striker. Ran that baby every weekend for about a year. Just recently installed the V3 beveled tip design. Any little bit of improvement helps IMO. Its not broken until it is though. Have a great day at the range bud.
@@SigGuy my p365 was made in may or June of 2020, would you think the new striker is in that model? Was thinking of getting the lightning striker and foolishly ordered the mcarbo kit but after seeing this may just order a spare Sig striker just in case and send the mcarbo kit back...mcarbo did say they only had reports of light primer strikes using apex parts or reloads. Not sure how true that is, but I was worried about making the swap w such a reliable gun so far at least 1400-1600 rounds w no issue whatsoever other than mushy gritty trigger. Have a micro slide w cerakoted and stippled XL module and XL trigger I installed, may look into AC trigger though, I love the mag release I just installed in it. Thanks for posting this, really informative
@@ryanp6072 I would assume it’s in there but it’s easy enough to check to know for sure. The springs in the 355 is the only thing I’m against modifying. I had waaaaaaay too many issues when I did. Not worth it in a gun you are putting your life on. Yours is reliable. Why risk it? Pretty sure if the time did ever come when you did have to use it in self defense you are not going to even notice a gritty trigger pull.
Man u saved me,i recently bought tisas zigana px 09 on 500 dollars (that include taxes in pakistan) and it has a primer drag , and i couldn't afford another gun so i was really upset , really really upset but after watching ur video i am qut relaxed.. thanks man
FIRST: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANNEL AND THE WORK YOU DO !!! I too do nothing to change the Timing of a firearm !!! I Just followed your video and installed a Sig Flat Trigger in my P365 !!! I Love the Look of the Armory Craft, But the Money ??? ACTUALLY WATCHED THIS VIDEO BEFORE, BUT NOW I OWN A P365 !!!
I have the updated striker in both my 365s. Very inexpensive part for piece of mind. Drag itself doesn’t bother me. For whatever reason SIG updated the part. Why not use it?
What about swapping out the trigger Springs like the sear spring the trigger spring and whatnot the mcarbo spring kit does that change the timing by making the pull on the trigger a little less?
@@DJK6914 with so many instances of shooter induced malfunctions I’m sticking with factory springs. Not going to risk light strikes for a little lighter trigger pull. Not with a self defense 365. Gun gun sure. Other might not agree. This is just my opinion. Reward doesn’t outweigh the risk IMO.
I recently purchased a new Sig P365 that came equipped with the newly designed striker having an angled "firing pin" tip. No primer drag was noticed, however the indentations on virtually all of the primers of the 195 rounds that I fired seemed somewhat shallow when compared to the indentations left on the primers fired of other handguns I own. Although all of my 195 rounds fired, the seemingly light primer strikes make me wonder if I could at some point experience failures to fire due to light hits of the striker on primers. Would anyone who has greater experience with this newly redesigned striker have any comments to share?
My 365xl had a big issue of failure to extract after 1000 rounds. It ended up Maldini 1 -2 times per mag. I ended up replacing extractor(no effect) recoil spring and barrel. Now it's back to normal.
Good job. People don't realize it has to do with shorter barrels and lock times. Longer barrels have the extra physical length and lock time for linear barrel movement thus providing milliseconds to allow the primer to retract. Short barrels have obviously shorter lock times and i may be wrong on this but more extreme barrel angle on rear of the stroke on lock open? It may be an optical illusion.
I appreciate how thorough you are with testing different parts in many scenarios. I had a question reguarding a trigger spring swap by "Mcarbo" if you think this may affect the functionality of the gun. While using as a ccw.
I just received my DPM spring kit and installed the gold one, which was already on the guide rod. I didn't like the look of being able to see the end of the spring in the front of the slide, and after watching your video, I put the OEM spring back in the pistol. The good news is, I saw this before I bought a Lightning Strike!!
I have original 365. 365 XL and SAS The SAS has latest striker and there's no striker drag whatsoever. There's virtually none with XL as well It's pretty much on the striker spring . I have a video from while back that shows all differences and I'm swapping gen1 , 2, 3strikers around.
Good to know!! Just purchased one sas myself and was nervous about any issues! My eyesare crap at 25/30 yard range, so other than seeing a blurry dot, I’m not concerned about long range accuracy
Good topic and video. Primer drag happens with most small 9mm pistols I believe Sig got a batch of bad primers. My 365 was built in April 22, 2018 and I’ve not had one bit of trouble with hy
I sort of stumbled onto this video. I'm curious about the backplate and grip module bling. What are those parts and where did you get them? I have the new SAS and would like a metal backplate rather than the plastic one it has. I've already decided the porting isn't for me and got an OEM P365 barrel. I'm hoping that doesn't change timing as I'm running the stock recoil spring assembly. I just need to find time for the local indoor range.
@Sig Sauer Guy I’m curious to see how the springs would work with the older, first run strikers? Thank you for the very detailed and outstanding video and thank you for saving us the time and money for parts and rounds of ammunition. Semper Fi
A single stack berreta 92 style locking mechanism in same form factor I feel is the only "cure" for primer smear in micro carry pistols. This is a inherent drawback in browning syle pistol action as you go shorter.
@@THANOS_Disciple I ran the short spring first with my newly built P320 X Compact w/ PMM Comp and barre (I made a video of the build in my channel). I like how soft the short spring feels. In the first hundred rounds, tho, I got two failures to eject. I installed the middle copper spring and returned to the range the same day. Shot three hundred rounds without a problem. DPM spring does feel lighter than factory. I need to play with it more, perhaps after a thousand rounds, to have a final thought about it reliability.
@@THANOS_Disciple I installed the DPM on my XL too. Just haven't shoot it yet. But, I have to say I don't like how the DPM Spring rod head sticking out of the slide. Visually It bothers me. I may take it off because of it. But I will at least shoot it first to see how it feel.
@Sig Sauer Guy how do you shorten the over travel on a p365? I don't mind the pre travel but when I get to the wall, the over travel is too long for a striker fire. Is there something I can do with my stock original trigger or do I need an aftermarket trigger kit?
@@SigGuya buddy of mine is a sig head and he has a few of them knows them like the back of his hand like u he's my go to guy .. if a part breaks we'll just fix it and possibly make some adjustments 🤗🤗I just got my cpl here in Michigan so its More concealable than my Smith and Wesson 45 long Colt
@@damonsoti7714 Wow cool, I just got my first gun, P320x full size I haven't shot it yet but Thursday I will! Oh I'm in Michigan too, Lansing. Where are you?
Primer drag is why I sold my 365. I know Sig has gone through at least 3 striker changes since it's introduction. I thought Sig had fixed the problem, but when I shot it no dice. No regrets cause I'm not carrying anything that I don't trust.
buck shot you sold a great gun for a silly reason. The 365 is not the only micro compact with primer drag. Primer drag is not a problem. The composition of the original striker was the problem. The first design was the only faulty one. The second was to eliminate the problem. The third was to only make it better not because the second design was flawed.
Maybe I missed it but what brand ammo did you use? Do you know what kind of ammo the person who said the DPM and different striker eliminated the primer drag? Would different types of primers effect how much drag there was?
Sig Sauer Guy, you're my hero. Love the stipple job on you grip module, have you thought about trying the xl grip module? I changed over and i love it. Better grip and the slight mag well flare helps a lot with comfort and reloads and the beavertail helps a lot with grip too
Sir i am getting a drag on primer on Zigana px 09 , sometime its deep sometime the drag is very light but thr in still a drag but few days ago i oiled (lubricated) striker? Do u think that might be the reason
New subscriber thanks to this video. I just purchased a p365 and was looking at various issues and what to watch out for. I was told at the counter about this too....glad I said na lol
That’s one of the coolest stipple jobs I’ve seen yet. I’m not concerned with striker drag. I’ve seen drag personally on the M&P shield, the Beretta Nano and on the full size Glock 21 so I think people are making too big of a deal about it.
Great information. I too agree with keeping a carry gun stock, for numerous reasons. One question on the video - Is it my imagination or is this video inverted? It looks like you are shooting left handed with the ejection port on the left. Thanks again for a great video!
I subscribed about a week ago after watching your video on changing the trigger and have just come across this great video. My 365 was born June 2018. Out of 500 rounds or so I have had about 3 or 4 malfunctions. All fte which could have been user error, maybe riding the slide or something like that. My question is should I have my striker updated to the newest version? After watching a number of your videos I have the highest confidence in your opinions. Thank you for helping the rest of us Sig owners be more informed.
It could also just be “breaking in”. The striker had nothing to do with your FTEs. The old design (which is still updated from the original) should be fine. I personally like to have the latest and greatest. Being an inexpensive part I upgraded both of mine. Cheap for peace of mind. Thank you for the great compliment also. I appreciate that.
You are knowledgable and to the point. I just subscribed. I have a Sig 320 Compact with a Norsso Reptile slide and an RMR. If I shoot 115 gr the brass seems to come straight back at me more often than not bouncing of me and sometimes the face of my RMR. The 124gr seem to eject better just over my right shoulder but I feel it should handle the 115's too. I have read reports the 320s may be over sprung? but I cant find any other springs out there to try so any suggestions you have to get that brass away from me and my expensive RMR is greatly appreciated.
So, I'm trying to figure out how the slide is showing the ejection port is on the left side. Is it the video doing a mirror view. Or do you have left handed slide. I want to know.
I learned the hard way that the back plate on the 365xl is different in the removal. My 365 does not say XL but it is the NRA edition .The MCarbo video did not address this.
I wish I could show you some pictures of my p365 casing which would should that this primer drag is almost not there with the original factory parts. I have less than any of what you have shown here. Nice video you have done.
Hi, I recently installed the comp and barrel for my p365. I also have the Dpm spring kit installed with the middle gold spring. I have been getting jams and stove pipes and failure to extract issues. Do I need to change my spring? What’s going on? I’m using 115g range ammo
Excellent video, and thanks for your diligent work. For those out there that don;t want to invest 18 minutes of their life, SPOILER ALERT: you can't eliminate the P365's striker drag with different strikers or springs. Sort of not surprising because one would think Sig would have figured out how to do this by now if it were possible, but physics is a bitch.
I purchased a blue label Sig Sauer P365 new at the end of October, 2019. Mine was made at the end of January 2019. I have had nothing but issues with mine. Lots of feeding issues, issues with the take down lever and slide stop. No way I would ever trust mine to use as a carry gun.
Jason Ralston I don’t blame you I wouldn’t either with all those issues. Have you sent it back to Sig at all? Have you contacted your customer service and told them about these issues?
Sig Sauer Guy, I have. With the feeding issues, they asked me to continue using the gun to see if it feeds better, after breaking in. Where the magazines taper at the top, where you feed the rounds in and out of them, they think both magazines were simply tapered to tight. I’ve also tried multiple types of ammo to eliminate that possibility but they all do it. I may end up sending the mags in for different ones. On the other issues, Sig told me what I am experiencing is part of the design. The take down lever has gotten slightly better with use but many times if I want to rack the slide back to lock is it the rear position, clear a malfunction, etc. it won’t due it unless I take the slide lock and slightly move it up or down. The slide will then move, if I am holding the slide lock down or up. Since Sig has told me that is normal and part of the design, that is where my lack of trust is. If I’m in a self defense shooting, and I had a malfunction, you get tunnel vision, lose fine motor skills etc.. In my training at work, we are trained to simply tap rack and clear the round then get back into the fight. At work, we use Glock 22’s. With my Sig P365, if I were to carry it off duty and need it, and it malfunctioned, the last thing I need is an extra step involving a fine motor skill that people normally don’t train for. I bought the Sig with my wife in mind. She has small hands because she is a smaller stature woman. She is only 5’-3”. She is interested in also becoming a conceal and carry holder but needs a smaller firearm. The P365 fits her great. I love the design of it that it carries as many rounds as possible. I like what Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch has said. “I’ve never heard anyone walk away from a firefight and complain they had too many rounds. But how many have died because they didn’t have enough?” So that’s why I primarily bought the firearm. Ironically, I have not had an issue with the primer striker dragging on mine. But, it has only been fired maybe 200 to 300 times. If I could figure out how to simply rack the slide without having to manipulate the slide lock lever, I would love this gun because I really do like everything else about it.
I have searched recently and the new striker assemblies are out of stock everywhere. About how many rounds can I reasonably expect to fire before the striker this came with fails? Any estimates? or experience?
So I have a question that maybe you or others have answered, but I'll ask it anyway. Why does it drag on the primer? I'm an admitted novice, but it seems to me that the pin rides a little to long on the primer as the barrel changes attitude, so to speak. If that's true, the led is long gone by the time the drag happens. So the only question to me would be, does it add unnecessary wear and tear that would eventually break down and cause an issue as it relates to EDC? Assuming you take it to the range of course.
Yku actually nailed it. All of it. Barrel drops quickly and the striker is still in contact with the primer. No real concern as most micro compacts do the same as well as time other FS pistols. For prince of mind the striker has an updated design that was introduced with the release of the XL. All strikers in all 365s will be the new design.
@@SigGuy Thanks for the reply, I really really appreciate that very much. So I purchased my p365 at a gun show and later found out about the primer drag. So I checked out the born on date and found mine was made after the new striker was introduced. After taking it to the range I noticed the drag issue was happening with my pistol. Long story short, the striker assembly is more like the old style, I know this bc the new design requires two movements to release the gate. At least the type I've seem on UA-cam. Made me wonder if the vendor I purchased from changed the striker out. That said, I've had no issues with the limited rounds I've ran through it.
Fake Person So the striker housing to release the back plate was re-designed at a different time. The housing and the striker revisions were done at two completely different times. Some people were experiencing the back plate sliding down and actually falling off while firing the weapon. The striker housing was re-designed to correct that issue. So it’s possible to have the new striker with the old striker housing. Thank you for your responses also. Have a great weekend sir
It's as if these after market companies are regarded as knowing more than the manufacturer. Considering all the time that goes into R&D and tweaking by the engineers at the factory, I'm not sure that's the case.
@@MrSteveb1 check out my website. I have the flat and slightly curved triggers in stock. Can ship you one first thing in the morning 😊 www.sigguy.com/p365-products
GD TJ thank you. I use a threaded True Precision barrel. Longer barrel = more velocity = more accuracy. Being such a short barrel to begin with it’s very hard to tell just how much of a difference it makes.
The p365 was a best seller last year because people want to like that small of a pistol with that much firepower. The cold, hard facts is it is not as dependable as its competition and Sig's reputation has suffered greatly because they won't take responsibility.
The cups you are referring to remind me of the days I spent in a garage repairing engines. The valve train to be specific. The (cups) your referring to are called keepers in the auto industry. Same idea. Two halves of a mechanical fastener that make a whole to hold the compressed spring tension. Thank you for the detailed video that covers this "primer drag" concern.
The main selling points of having the DPM spring kit is not only "Recoil Reduction" (which he did mention), but tuning as well. Yes, I understand that he is try to bust this (unheard-of myth, to me) of "primer drag" with the firing pin guide rod spring set combo but from what I gather, that isn't a selling point of this
TUNING: If you're planning on running hotter loads out of your pistol like +P & +P+ or heavy rounds like 180-grain JHPs, that is where this kit will really shine. The stock springs are optimized for 115-124 grain bullets. So, if that is what you're running, you likely won't notice as big a difference with this kit installed, as those that are pushing the limits of powerful ammunition out of their subcompact handguns.
The direction of where your empty casings fly is not preference but rather an indication of whether you are or are not running the correct spring for your chosen round. Ideally, you want your casing to eject just past 90 degrees. If they are coming out to the front or to the rear of your gun, then you're not running the correct spring for the ammo you are shooting.
Hope that clears some things up for those of you that are new to the concept of these performance spings.
But the DPM long spring at the full open position is 18 lbs which is only 1 lb away from stock which is 19 lbs.
Many thanks for an excellent vid, Top! Rigorous, impartial testing with empirical conclusion. I have a gen two P365 (born May, 2018) and have put 4,300 rounds through it since Aug., 2018 with no problems at all. I think the primer drag is unavoidable owing to the extremely fast cycle rate and has not affected the performance at all. My 365 proved itself reliable enough to have become my edc and is a honey of a self defense weapon. I believe you've saved a lot of people a lot of money. You've picked up another subscriber!
I agree, I don't believe you can eliminate primer drag on a P365 due to it's extreme compact size and the speed at which it needs to cycle. I just don't think it is possible to eliminate it. As long as the gun operates reliably (and the P365 most certainly does that), who cares about primer drag anyway? .. what difference does it make? .. I think this is really a non-topic topic. I don't care how much drag there is as long as my P365 continues to operate perfectly, and so far it has.
Great video I was about to buy one but was on the fence. Honest video and great testing. Great job saved me $81.00
Its nice to see someone being realistic about a-lot of hipe etc with needing to make changes etc...I am in line with the same frame of mind as I have been suckered into stuff I never needed wasting lots of $$! Thanks for the work on videos!
My Sig 365 has a born date of 2/19 and is still all stock. I’ve never had any issues but does have (a little) primer drag.
Personally I’m not a big fan of changing internals, sights or trigger bar, yes.
Great video!
Saved many folks out there $$$ !!! Appreciate that, thank you!
Just got a p365 with a factory date of March 2020. Didn't know much about the 365, but used sig's p228 when I was in the military and really liked that. This thing is starting to become my new favorite pistol! Heard they fixed the primer drag issue with the later models, I'll have to look at the casings next time I head to the range. Good video and very detailed!
Just got yourself another subscriber. Great video.
Sweet stippling job on your 365. Thanks for saving us some cash too!
TheGoatMumbler Thank you sir!
You make great videos! Thank you for everything!
I should have watched longer...I figured it out. Great test and great vid!
Thanks for the upload all your time and effort love all your videos.
Walter thank you very much for the compliment. I really appreciate it sir.
The primer drag is simply due to the timing, there’s no movement of the slide before the barrel starts to unlock, a heavier spring resisting movement of the slide rearward will only reduce drag a tiny bit.
Only way to make a difference is to change the point where the slide n barrel starts to unlock. A different profile to the locking lug on the barrel or how it engages the chassis, allowing the locked slide to move rearward more, increasing lock time.
I’m understanding the 365xl doesn’t drag, or minimally. I haven’t looked at them but a slightly longer slide n barrel combination would allow longer lock time, making sense that the xl doesn’t have the issue.
morris4069 and the xl has the striker with the new tip design. Using this new striker in all other 365s also practically reduces all drag.
@@SigGuy does this new striker design come w 2020 guns?
@@Agent-vj3ns yes
All you really need to do is increase slide mass to add some dwell time before the inertia takes over and starts to move and unlock the slide
Excellent data points. I'm contemplating purchasing a 365 to add to my edc rotation and you've helped answer some questions I had. Thanks!
Dean You are welcome. Thank you for the compliment. Purchase it and feel confident with it. The bugs have been worked out. I have one of the very first 365’s and it has never failed me.
It just a bad batch of strikers, they had only 0.008% of the p365s were returned and of course no one talks about it but the p226 has actually had more returns to sig than the p365. I purchased the 2tone version at cabelas on Black Friday and they assured me it’s bugs are all worked out and I have the same 45 degree angled striker. Gun is awesome. It’s in sigs best interest to work out all the bugs. Great gun it’s my EDC
Watching another video on 365 primer drag a while ago and someone commented that most all tiny 9's have it in some capacity just based on their design (striker) size and ability for gases to expand (or not) in a short barrel. Took my Kahr CM9 that I've had no problems with down to the range and sure enough it drags a bit as well.
hockey playah correct sir. This video was to prove those 2 items didn’t eliminate primer drag. SIG has come out with a new designed striker they does significantly decrease it on the 365 though.
So aside from the stove pipes, would you say the DPM reduced felt recoil in any of the configurations? Thanks.
My 100% Stock P 365 was manufactured 04 Feb 2018. I've been shooting it since March 5, 2018.
So far no manfunctions, no replacement parts, but hundreds od comments on You Tuber my striker would break on the next shot or when I needed it to protect myself. I never fell into to that Trash Talk. I have over 5,000 rounds thru mine using Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ's . From what ican find out about the ammo is it's N.A.T.O. spec. @ 1275 FPS. It's going to the range today!
C Kim there are valid arguments for both sides. I sent mine back mid 18 for trigger bar spring. Came back with V2 striker. Ran that baby every weekend for about a year. Just recently installed the V3 beveled tip design. Any little bit of improvement helps IMO. Its not broken until it is though. Have a great day at the range bud.
Are you serious? 1275 can do a lot of business.
I agree for the most part. I would however swap it out personally.
@@SigGuy my p365 was made in may or June of 2020, would you think the new striker is in that model? Was thinking of getting the lightning striker and foolishly ordered the mcarbo kit but after seeing this may just order a spare Sig striker just in case and send the mcarbo kit back...mcarbo did say they only had reports of light primer strikes using apex parts or reloads. Not sure how true that is, but I was worried about making the swap w such a reliable gun so far at least 1400-1600 rounds w no issue whatsoever other than mushy gritty trigger. Have a micro slide w cerakoted and stippled XL module and XL trigger I installed, may look into AC trigger though, I love the mag release I just installed in it. Thanks for posting this, really informative
@@ryanp6072 I would assume it’s in there but it’s easy enough to check to know for sure. The springs in the 355 is the only thing I’m against modifying. I had waaaaaaay too many issues when I did. Not worth it in a gun you are putting your life on. Yours is reliable. Why risk it? Pretty sure if the time did ever come when you did have to use it in self defense you are not going to even notice a gritty trigger pull.
magic markers are awesome in usage...good idea. I mark my similar looking ammo from the original box so not confused with other similar looking ammo.
Man u saved me,i recently bought tisas zigana px 09 on 500 dollars (that include taxes in pakistan) and it has a primer drag , and i couldn't afford another gun so i was really upset , really really upset but after watching ur video i am qut relaxed.. thanks man
You are good, changed the striker like a tire! Great info,just subbed, thanks.
FIRST: THANK YOU FOR YOUR CHANNEL AND THE WORK YOU DO !!!
I too do nothing to change the Timing of a firearm !!!
I Just followed your video and installed a Sig Flat Trigger in my P365 !!!
I Love the Look of the Armory Craft, But the Money ???
ACTUALLY WATCHED THIS VIDEO BEFORE, BUT NOW I OWN A P365 !!!
I have the updated striker in both my 365s. Very inexpensive part for piece of mind. Drag itself doesn’t bother me. For whatever reason SIG updated the part. Why not use it?
What about swapping out the trigger Springs like the sear spring the trigger spring and whatnot the mcarbo spring kit does that change the timing by making the pull on the trigger a little less?
@@DJK6914 with so many instances of shooter induced malfunctions I’m sticking with factory springs. Not going to risk light strikes for a little lighter trigger pull. Not with a self defense 365. Gun gun sure. Other might not agree. This is just my opinion. Reward doesn’t outweigh the risk IMO.
@@SigGuy that makes sense. Thanks for the reply. You changed my mind. I have the spring kit coming in the mail for the 365 but I'm not installing it 😂
I recently purchased a new Sig P365 that came equipped with the newly designed striker having an angled "firing pin" tip. No primer drag was noticed, however the indentations on virtually all of the primers of the 195 rounds that I fired seemed somewhat shallow when compared to the indentations left on the primers fired of other handguns I own. Although all of my 195 rounds fired, the seemingly light primer strikes make me wonder if I could at some point experience failures to fire due to light hits of the striker on primers. Would anyone who has greater experience with this newly redesigned striker have any comments to share?
William Ramacciotti we got ours post August 2018 sales freeze. Ours has primer drag...
My 365xl had a big issue of failure to extract after 1000 rounds. It ended up Maldini 1 -2 times per mag. I ended up replacing extractor(no effect) recoil spring and barrel. Now it's back to normal.
I agree. I don't buy it either. So many manufacturers trying to make the claim that their product works better. Just a bunch of bullshit!
Did you notice any reduction in recoil using the dpm system??
Good job. People don't realize it has to do with shorter barrels and lock times. Longer barrels have the extra physical length and lock time for linear barrel movement thus providing milliseconds to allow the primer to retract. Short barrels have obviously shorter lock times and i may be wrong on this but more extreme barrel angle on rear of the stroke on lock open? It may be an optical illusion.
I appreciate how thorough you are with testing different parts in many scenarios. I had a question reguarding a trigger spring swap by "Mcarbo" if you think this may affect the functionality of the gun. While using as a ccw.
I do. Personally I wouldn’t mess with something like that on my CC pistol. The reward doesn’t outweigh the risk. Fun guns absolutely but not my CC.
Great video and experiment. Thank you.
Thanks for saving me $$$. Subscribed !!!
Great information, Thank you for the time it took to make this video
And thank you for taking the time to leave positive feedback! I do appreciate it.
I have a P365 manufactured in October of 2020, and there is no striker drag on mine. So, it appears they fixed it.
I just received my DPM spring kit and installed the gold one, which was already on the guide rod. I didn't like the look of being able to see the end of the spring in the front of the slide, and after watching your video, I put the OEM spring back in the pistol. The good news is, I saw this before I bought a Lightning Strike!!
Just subscribed because this is an awesome video. I don’t even have a plain 365 but learned a ton. Thank you
Paul Baker thank you for subscribing. I take it as a compliment. 🤙🏼
Great video, you da man.
I have original 365. 365 XL and SAS
The SAS has latest striker and there's no striker drag whatsoever. There's virtually none with XL as well
It's pretty much on the striker spring .
I have a video from while back that shows all differences and I'm swapping gen1 , 2, 3strikers around.
Good to know!! Just purchased one sas myself and was nervous about any issues!
My eyesare crap at 25/30 yard range, so other than seeing a blurry dot, I’m not concerned about long range accuracy
I also inserted a bore sight laser and confined sights are 100% @7 feet and 7 yards
Thank you! Keep on keeping on!
Good topic and video. Primer drag happens with most small 9mm pistols I believe Sig got a batch of bad primers. My 365 was built in April 22, 2018 and I’ve not had one bit of trouble with hy
Dropped phone... I haven’t had one bit of trouble with my 365.
hey what's the best trigger spring kit for the P365XL? have you done a video on it yet?
Thank you, for the effort.
My P365, made in January, 2021, has no primer drag of any kind.
I sort of stumbled onto this video. I'm curious about the backplate and grip module bling. What are those parts and where did you get them? I have the new SAS and would like a metal backplate rather than the plastic one it has. I've already decided the porting isn't for me and got an OEM P365 barrel. I'm hoping that doesn't change timing as I'm running the stock recoil spring assembly. I just need to find time for the local indoor range.
Fudmottin back plate from NDZ and grip module is from Armory Craft.
@@SigGuy which color on that grip? They have multiple grays. Is it grippy-er?
@Sig Sauer Guy I’m curious to see how the springs would work with the older, first run strikers? Thank you for the very detailed and outstanding video and thank you for saving us the time and money for parts and rounds of ammunition. Semper Fi
PATRIOT821000 thanks for serving brother.
A single stack berreta 92 style locking mechanism in same form factor I feel is the only "cure" for primer smear in micro carry pistols. This is a inherent drawback in browning syle pistol action as you go shorter.
Great video and testing. Thank you for this video sharing your conclusions.
You’ve gained yet another subscriber. Thanks for the honest review.
Outstanding work my friend, thank you, also sweet 365 u have there
Oh man, I highly value your expertise, and I wish I'd seen this video before I ordered the DPM kit off eBay.
@@THANOS_Disciple I ran the short spring first with my newly built P320 X Compact w/ PMM Comp and barre (I made a video of the build in my channel). I like how soft the short spring feels. In the first hundred rounds, tho, I got two failures to eject.
I installed the middle copper spring and returned to the range the same day. Shot three hundred rounds without a problem. DPM spring does feel lighter than factory. I need to play with it more, perhaps after a thousand rounds, to have a final thought about it reliability.
@@THANOS_Disciple I installed the DPM on my XL too. Just haven't shoot it yet. But, I have to say I don't like how the DPM Spring rod head sticking out of the slide. Visually It bothers me. I may take it off because of it. But I will at least shoot it first to see how it feel.
@@THANOS_Disciple Yea, wonder why they make it like that? Anyway, good luck! I hope it work for you. Or find the factory spring you need.
Great info. Thanks!
@Sig Sauer Guy how do you shorten the over travel on a p365? I don't mind the pre travel but when I get to the wall, the over travel is too long for a striker fire. Is there something I can do with my stock original trigger or do I need an aftermarket trigger kit?
I just bought my first sig p365 today and looking forward to going to the range in a couple days my sig was made Aug 2019
Damon Soti well I hope you are not disappointed. Much love for the 365! Post a follow up please!
@@SigGuya buddy of mine is a sig head and he has a few of them knows them like the back of his hand like u he's my go to guy .. if a part breaks we'll just fix it and possibly make some adjustments 🤗🤗I just got my cpl here in Michigan so its More concealable than my Smith and Wesson 45 long Colt
@@damonsoti7714 Wow cool, I just got my first gun, P320x full size I haven't shot it yet but Thursday I will! Oh I'm in Michigan too, Lansing. Where are you?
@@steven3379 south west Michigan down by Hartford
@@damonsoti7714 Have you been to a indoor range yet?
Best bench test yet, you rock!
Haha. Thank you! 🤙🏼
Primer drag is why I sold my 365. I know Sig has gone through at least 3 striker changes since it's introduction. I thought Sig had fixed the problem, but when I shot it no dice. No regrets cause I'm not carrying anything that I don't trust.
buck shot you sold a great gun for a silly reason. The 365 is not the only micro compact with primer drag. Primer drag is not a problem. The composition of the original striker was the problem. The first design was the only faulty one. The second was to eliminate the problem. The third was to only make it better not because the second design was flawed.
Maybe I missed it but what brand ammo did you use? Do you know what kind of ammo the person who said the DPM and different striker eliminated the primer drag? Would different types of primers effect how much drag there was?
That's sweet!
Nice job sharing this detail and test results (data). Subscribed!
Thank you sir! 🤙🏼
Great Video, YUP, Primer Drag doesn't have ANY Negative effect.
@Evan Moyer I see what you did there...
Good stuff sir! Thanks!
Sig Sauer Guy, you're my hero. Love the stipple job on you grip module, have you thought about trying the xl grip module? I changed over and i love it. Better grip and the slight mag well flare helps a lot with comfort and reloads and the beavertail helps a lot with grip too
Sir i am getting a drag on primer on Zigana px 09 , sometime its deep sometime the drag is very light but thr in still a drag but few days ago i oiled (lubricated) striker? Do u think that might be the reason
New subscriber thanks to this video. I just purchased a p365 and was looking at various issues and what to watch out for. I was told at the counter about this too....glad I said na lol
That’s one of the coolest stipple jobs I’ve seen yet. I’m not concerned with striker drag. I’ve seen drag personally on the M&P shield, the Beretta Nano and on the full size Glock 21 so I think people are making too big of a deal about it.
Gary Stevens completely agree about the drag!!!! Thank you for the stipple compliment also. 313 tactical did the work.
@@SigGuy Thanks for the info. If you don’t mind me asking, what did they quote you and what was the name of the style they did yours in?
Where did you get the lazer stippling?
That is a Armory Craft laser etched grip module.
Great information. I too agree with keeping a carry gun stock, for numerous reasons. One question on the video - Is it my imagination or is this video inverted? It looks like you are shooting left handed with the ejection port on the left.
Thanks again for a great video!
Mirrored view that’s why
Ok, so my question is. Are you ok with the stock primer drag??? I just ordered from Sig the new striker kit? Would you recommend that?
I subscribed about a week ago after watching your video on changing the trigger and have just come across this great video. My 365 was born June 2018. Out of 500 rounds or so I have had about 3 or 4 malfunctions. All fte which could have been user error, maybe riding the slide or something like that. My question is should I have my striker updated to the newest version? After watching a number of your videos I have the highest confidence in your opinions. Thank you for helping the rest of us Sig owners be more informed.
It could also just be “breaking in”. The striker had nothing to do with your FTEs. The old design (which is still updated from the original) should be fine. I personally like to have the latest and greatest. Being an inexpensive part I upgraded both of mine. Cheap for peace of mind. Thank you for the great compliment also. I appreciate that.
The Military Arms Channel has had a striker breakage ON CAMERA
Liked and subscribed. Thanks for saving me some cash!
You are knowledgable and to the point. I just subscribed. I have a Sig 320 Compact with a Norsso Reptile slide and an RMR. If I shoot 115 gr the brass seems to come straight back at me more often than not bouncing of me and sometimes the face of my RMR. The 124gr seem to eject better just over my right shoulder but I feel it should handle the 115's too. I have read reports the 320s may be over sprung? but I cant find any other springs out there to try so any suggestions you have to get that brass away from me and my expensive RMR is greatly appreciated.
Got yourself another subscriber!
So, I'm trying to figure out how the slide is showing the ejection port is on the left side. Is it the video doing a mirror view. Or do you have left handed slide. I want to know.
Front facing cameras on phones usually mirror the image. It’s why people look like they are in the passengers seat while driving lol.
@@SigGuy Just checking. I haven't noticed that from my Samsung S21 Ultra. Which is why I asked.
@@michaelkerr9682 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 i should say most iPhones. Yours might be smart enough to mirror the mirror image. 😊
I learned the hard way that the back plate on the 365xl is different in the removal. My 365 does not say XL but it is the NRA edition .The MCarbo video did not address this.
Thanks! Very interesting.
I purchased a P365 with birthday 15 October. I have put over 300 rounds, several brands, and there has been no abnormally or any striker drag.
Hello thanks a lot for your video great information. Just got one question does your Mag wiggle when it is unloaded. It’s OK when is loaded? Thanks
bigfootsimonyim yes sir. Most of them do. Normal.
It’s wiggles a little but it’s definitely not enough to be annoying and it has a very nice ejection to it super easy to swap mags under pressure
It’s wiggles a little but it’s definitely not enough to be annoying and it has a very nice ejection to it super easy to swap mags under pressure
Sorry ssy a bad word on ur sig channel, but my glock 23 always primer drags, never knew it might be issue aftrr well over 1k rounds
Just bought mine yesterday, born on date 10/2020. Noticed drag on mine also. Not sure if it's an issue?
I wish I could show you some pictures of my p365 casing which would should that this primer drag is almost not there with the original factory parts. I have less than any of what you have shown here. Nice video you have done.
Thank you very much for the compliment sir. I’d be interested to see them. My email is info@sigguy.com
Hi,
I recently installed the comp and barrel for my p365. I also have the Dpm spring kit installed with the middle gold spring. I have been getting jams and stove pipes and failure to extract issues. Do I need to change my spring? What’s going on? I’m using 115g range ammo
I would watch my comp video and run 124g ammo
Awesome vid. Good info for us 365 guys.
Great Video !!
I’m a New Subscriber !! You Got Me !!
Gerry K Thank you sir. I really appreciate the compliment!
Excellent video, and thanks for your diligent work. For those out there that don;t want to invest 18 minutes of their life, SPOILER ALERT: you can't eliminate the P365's striker drag with different strikers or springs. Sort of not surprising because one would think Sig would have figured out how to do this by now if it were possible, but physics is a bitch.
Richard Friend actually sig did figure it out and new generations 365s pretty much have no striker drag
@@bigdog4574 Can you tell me how to identify this "new generation"? Is it on the P365 and/or the P365XL?
@@richardefriend sure, buy any p365 made in August 2019 or later and youll get the new third gen beveled striker that eliminates drag entirely.
I purchased a blue label Sig Sauer P365 new at the end of October, 2019. Mine was made at the end of January 2019. I have had nothing but issues with mine. Lots of feeding issues, issues with the take down lever and slide stop. No way I would ever trust mine to use as a carry gun.
Jason Ralston I don’t blame you I wouldn’t either with all those issues. Have you sent it back to Sig at all? Have you contacted your customer service and told them about these issues?
Sig Sauer Guy, I have. With the feeding issues, they asked me to continue using the gun to see if it feeds better, after breaking in. Where the magazines taper at the top, where you feed the rounds in and out of them, they think both magazines were simply tapered to tight. I’ve also tried multiple types of ammo to eliminate that possibility but they all do it. I may end up sending the mags in for different ones.
On the other issues, Sig told me what I am experiencing is part of the design. The take down lever has gotten slightly better with use but many times if I want to rack the slide back to lock is it the rear position, clear a malfunction, etc. it won’t due it unless I take the slide lock and slightly move it up or down. The slide will then move, if I am holding the slide lock down or up. Since Sig has told me that is normal and part of the design, that is where my lack of trust is. If I’m in a self defense shooting, and I had a malfunction, you get tunnel vision, lose fine motor skills etc.. In my training at work, we are trained to simply tap rack and clear the round then get back into the fight. At work, we use Glock 22’s. With my Sig P365, if I were to carry it off duty and need it, and it malfunctioned, the last thing I need is an extra step involving a fine motor skill that people normally don’t train for.
I bought the Sig with my wife in mind. She has small hands because she is a smaller stature woman. She is only 5’-3”. She is interested in also becoming a conceal and carry holder but needs a smaller firearm. The P365 fits her great. I love the design of it that it carries as many rounds as possible. I like what Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch has said. “I’ve never heard anyone walk away from a firefight and complain they had too many rounds. But how many have died because they didn’t have enough?” So that’s why I primarily bought the firearm. Ironically, I have not had an issue with the primer striker dragging on mine. But, it has only been fired maybe 200 to 300 times. If I could figure out how to simply rack the slide without having to manipulate the slide lock lever, I would love this gun because I really do like everything else about it.
I have the P365 newer or revision model. I don't see any different.
I have searched recently and the new striker assemblies are out of stock
everywhere. About how many rounds can I reasonably expect to fire
before the striker this came with fails? Any estimates? or experience?
SIG Sauer recommends striker replacement at every 20,000 rounds. You should be good to go for a little while. 😊
I need that t-shirt!!
So I have a question that maybe you or others have answered, but I'll ask it anyway.
Why does it drag on the primer?
I'm an admitted novice, but it seems to me that the pin rides a little to long on the primer as the barrel changes attitude, so to speak.
If that's true, the led is long gone by the time the drag happens. So the only question to me would be, does it add unnecessary wear and tear that would eventually break down and cause an issue as it relates to EDC?
Assuming you take it to the range of course.
Yku actually nailed it. All of it. Barrel drops quickly and the striker is still in contact with the primer. No real concern as most micro compacts do the same as well as time other FS pistols. For prince of mind the striker has an updated design that was introduced with the release of the XL. All strikers in all 365s will be the new design.
@@SigGuy Thanks for the reply, I really really appreciate that very much.
So I purchased my p365 at a gun show and later found out about the primer drag. So I checked out the born on date and found mine was made after the new striker was introduced. After taking it to the range I noticed the drag issue was happening with my pistol. Long story short, the striker assembly is more like the old style, I know this bc the new design requires two movements to release the gate. At least the type I've seem on UA-cam. Made me wonder if the vendor I purchased from changed the striker out. That said, I've had no issues with the limited rounds I've ran through it.
Fake Person So the striker housing to release the back plate was re-designed at a different time. The housing and the striker revisions were done at two completely different times. Some people were experiencing the back plate sliding down and actually falling off while firing the weapon. The striker housing was re-designed to correct that issue. So it’s possible to have the new striker with the old striker housing. Thank you for your responses also. Have a great weekend sir
Ok. That makes sense.
Great video btw.
I have subscribed.
It's as if these after market companies are regarded as knowing more than the manufacturer. Considering all the time that goes into R&D and tweaking by the engineers at the factory, I'm not sure that's the case.
Negative. True precision.
Do you carry the regular P365 or the XL? Thanks the 411 by the way!
Thanks for the review. I have a brand new P365 tacpac. Who did the stippling job on you’re P365? I like it.
That’s an Armory Craft sniper gray laser etched grip module. Thank you sir.
@@SigGuy thanks, I’m interested in that and their trigger. I like flat triggers
@@MrSteveb1 check out my website. I have the flat and slightly curved triggers in stock. Can ship you one first thing in the morning 😊 www.sigguy.com/p365-products
@@SigGuy thanks! Looking forward to new trigger! Will probably add grip module soon
@@SigGuy got the trigger yesterday, thanks.
That for the info, great video. Does the new barrel make a difference? What kind did you use? Thanks
GD TJ thank you. I use a threaded True Precision barrel. Longer barrel = more velocity = more accuracy. Being such a short barrel to begin with it’s very hard to tell just how much of a difference it makes.
The p365 was a best seller last year because people want to like that small of a pistol with that much firepower. The cold, hard facts is it is not as dependable as its competition and Sig's reputation has suffered greatly because they won't take responsibility.
Jake Black reputation has suffered? They are leading the industry. I do agree to a point about people being beta testers though.
Where could I get that trigger and back plate...thanks for the video love my 365!
Jeremy Wilson trigger is Armory Craft and backplate is NDZ. Thank you sir!
How much did the DPM reduce recoil by???
Your striker drag looks worse than mine on my August 2018 P365. I think mine is a 2nd gen? Appreciate the info. Thanks
Why is the entire video mirrored
I love the spring over Sigs mf 19lbs...but the striker? You bought Sig and paid a premium for a reason.
very good video
Ralph Evans thank you.
Thanks for the video