I was looking at the mouse on screen, and I held up the HTS I had on my desk and I was like there is no way these aren't the same mouse he has to be making a mistake
HTS+ 4K is by far my favourite mouse shape to date. Also the 4K with Motion Sync is so nice. Relaxed claw/palm hybrid grip. Looking forward to the Viper V3 Pro to contest the throne, though.
In the same boat, had a HTS+ 4K and been the best mouse from my limited collection (minus the front flare). Had to return, due to a defect. Been searching for a new winner ever since. Anticipating Viper V3 Pro, OP1WE, LA-1, VXE R1 Ultra, and NP-01S as top candidates. Tried so far Model O, Model D, Series One, G203, Xlite V2 Mini, HTS+ 4K, MM712, Aria, & X2H Mini My hand size is 18x9.5in relaxed claw. Recommendations welcome.
@@BTaesthetics btw, not sure what Gwolves did, but their latest update to the software/firmware greatly improved battery life! Software isn't so jank now either, and apparently 8K is coming soon (find it by clicking the software link on the main site, not the product page)
The viper v3 shape is great. Unfortunately like everyone else ha mentioned then placement of the sensor and the unbalance with the battery in the rear is a real deal breaker.
@@jonathantran5821 18.5x10cm, OP1 is better for a little more aggressive grip, It feels more precise because its thinner. 53-54mm grip width where Maya has about 56-57mm.
Great video BT! Have you tried the Engame Op1we? I'm curious what you think about the build and shape. I'm pretty impressed with how well built it is and the shape.
believe it or not but i retired my gpx 1 for my starlight 12 tenZ edition. Originally I bought the TenZ mouse as a collector however I found myself performing really well on it while playing valorant. I compared the 2 mice while in the firing range doing the same simulations and I just flat out performed better on my starlight 12. I hate destroying this mouse with wear and tear because now I have some paint chipping off the corner of my LMB from accidently hitting my keyboard a few times (running out of mouse pad space)
Dunno why, but always thought of Logitech as a low to mid-tier brand. You know, flimsy headphones, cheap desktop pc speakers, etc. But... The Superlight Pro is the best mouse I have ever had. So maybe my perception of Logitech is stuck back in the 90s and 00s.
For my bigboi hands and claw/palm hybrid grip I like the ROG Harpe Ace. It's not the best mouse, but its shape just works for me. Better than the RVU/DA Pro for me. Interested to see how the UltralightX L fairs.
Shout out EGG xm2we. It's a perfect shape for larger claw/palm grip players. If/when I get the spare money, I wanna try the Pulsar X2H, LOVED the OG X2 but that extra hump height could perfect the shape for me. Also wanna try the new Xlite V3, looks like an Ergo King up there with the Thorn Being a big fan of the xm2we I obviously am keen to try the Lamzu Atlantis/Mini. Ended up being an excellent year for gaming mice!
#1 is 82g, that's pretty heavy considering it's the same exact shape as the logitech superlight, basically a downgrade. Implication here is gpx 2 is king. Yes gpx is boring af but still king, I don't have a gpx 2 but maybe in the future.
Razer Viper Mini SE is the GOAT, Ive been testing mice since late 90's and since getting the VMSE ive still tried the newest mice and still nothing has beat it for me. I got #87 and my copy was perfect with zero issues whatsoever and its been my main since.
I dont get the hate for the holes though, they dont cause discomfort unless someone is really just that soft and they dont ruin the mouse with dust like some people seem to think happens. Anyhow always good to see your videos pop up and I always enjoy watching them. @@BTaesthetics
I am shocked I don’t already follow you, because THANK GOD somebody gets it!!! I will literally dodge a top tier mouse solely on the silhouette. Honestly the same is important not just for feel, but sex appeal!
LOL no Lanzu thorn, not even the GPX which everyone copies. No Vaxee Outset. Razor v3 is not a great shape and weighs 86g, yet you have it #1. Final mouse is pure garbage and belongs on trash tier fan boi list.
My mice seem to always die for one reason or another, so i tend to lean towards brands that last me longer. I’ve switched to a system where theres always two on my desk, so if one dies I can quickly order a new one.
Love the Viper V3, pairing it with an Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA battery + some dot feet and it's around 72-73 grams, great weight for me personally. The forward sensor position didn't bother me that much, really enjoy it!
Havent really gotten any new mice lately but im still rocking the mz1 wireless modded except for battery got it down to about 54g more or less with second pair of stock feet(until it feels bad i got corepadz waiting) and a few small hex pieces of super grips from pulsar for the pinky and thumb hands down best grip and is nice that the precut had small pieces to use. With the low hump the regular hump gains like 2g more or so but i change them depending on how im feeling and the game im playing but mainly the low hump. Still great since the mods for my aim been the most consistent.
The Viper V3's shape is nice but ultimately it's not really better than the Superlight and the weight balancing due to the battery and the sensor position are really difficult to get used to.
I’ve been using the HTX 4k for awhile now but I’m looking to upgrade to a Ultralight X small my hand size is 17.75 x 9 cm with a relaxed claw palm grip style is this a good move?
I just ordered the G wolves HTX 4k😄I lately been main'ing the Pulsar x2 mini and Lamzu atlantis mini, they are great mice, but i want a wireless small mouse that are a little more flat profil( more similar to a Zowie FK2/Glorious model O small)
I know the deathadder v2 series is outdated but the shape of it is literally perfect. I want to buy the deathadder v2 x hyperspeed but I don't know if I want to because of the build quality and it has a reputation of breaking after a couple of months. I'm also inclining towards the glorious model D pro, but it's a hefty buck for it. I love ergonomic mice, especially when it looks like the deathadder. any suggestions, anyone?
I have big hands and my favorite mice is the g502 x lightspeed, I tried other light weight mice like the Model 0 and the Pulsefire Haste 2 but I just like the how the g502 fits in my hand. I use a fingertip grip btw.
New to kbm and currently using the deathadder v3 pro however, what I have noticed is that everyone hates on the super light but it’s in most people’s top 5. I think I will pick one up and maybe the glorious d2 pro.
I broke my Aria in a rather embarassing way around a year ago and bought the DAV3 because I wanted to try the ergonomic shape. I've been maining it ever since the purchase as I don't want to spend more money for a new mouse. But the shape just feels so awkward to me. Like it'll start to feel really good when you've been playing for a while but if you just slap your hand down the mouse it just feels so awkward. Maybe it's because I've got small Asian hands but I don't know.
GPX feels like a damn potato in my hand. I picked it up last year to see what all the fuss was about and was incredibly underwhelmed. It is a great all-purpose mouse but for gaming it is bottom tier for my preferences. Picked up the Endgame Gear op1we last month and it is basically perfect for my claw/fingertip hybrid grip style, I don't even feel a need to explore other shapes for now despite the X2H being intriguing.
I have thorn. Good shape but for me asus ace harpe is better. Also the skates or the position give me less consistence with the thorn. Good to hand not so good for me in the results...
The GPX shape is so slept on. A lot almost imply that it's mediocre yet its a big reason for it being the #1 esports mouse. I've been going down the mouse rabbithole for a few years now. Got like 30 mice. The GPX is still #1. Just sits in my palm the best. Recently been getting into wider mice that are kind of comparable to the GPX. The Waizowl OGM PRO and Lamzu Thorn are absolute bangers. Wish both were a bit longer. Now in a waiting room for the Vaxee NP01 Wireless(not S). Might be endgame
Nah, theres one reason its the highest used esports mouse, and that is logitech throwing a shit ton of money at pro teams. Why u think navi played on those low profile mechanically keyboards? They’re objectively horrendous for FPS gaming.
I gotta give it to the GPW/X for being an ambi shape so good that it made me switch after only maining ergo shapes all my life because ambi shapes never quite felt right for my hand, and it ended up feeling better for me than all the ergo mice I've used.
First mouse is HTS+ 4K. Wouldn’t be a BT video without me messing up a name 😂😂😂
Lol I was just about to say
I was laughing when you said HTX 😂
I was looking at the mouse on screen, and I held up the HTS I had on my desk and I was like there is no way these aren't the same mouse he has to be making a mistake
I had to double take thinking I got the shapes wrong haha
the Viper v3 shape is S tier, but I couldnt get used to the sensor position. I really hope they keep the shape for the pro
Lamzu Atlantis mini, Lamzu Maya, Lamzu thorn, ninjutso sora 4k, Logitech g pro Superlight 2, and tomorrow my final mouse ulx will be in all bangers
Lamzu has done a great job with their shapes. In fact all the ones you named are top tier. Thanks for watching Randy!
Gotta go with my G PRO Superlight for favorite shape. I got the original GPW on launch and it's my most used shape bar none.
Love the video BT
HTS+ 4K is by far my favourite mouse shape to date. Also the 4K with Motion Sync is so nice. Relaxed claw/palm hybrid grip. Looking forward to the Viper V3 Pro to contest the throne, though.
In the same boat, had a HTS+ 4K and been the best mouse from my limited collection (minus the front flare). Had to return, due to a defect. Been searching for a new winner ever since.
Anticipating Viper V3 Pro, OP1WE, LA-1, VXE R1 Ultra, and NP-01S as top candidates.
Tried so far Model O, Model D, Series One, G203, Xlite V2 Mini, HTS+ 4K, MM712, Aria, & X2H Mini
My hand size is 18x9.5in relaxed claw. Recommendations welcome.
i keep going back to it. shape is amazing!
@@BTaesthetics btw, not sure what Gwolves did, but their latest update to the software/firmware greatly improved battery life! Software isn't so jank now either, and apparently 8K is coming soon (find it by clicking the software link on the main site, not the product page)
@@OGshmo i cant confirm it but i have heard that outside of games it now goes to 500 or 1k instead of 4k, could this be the case?
The viper v3 shape is great. Unfortunately like everyone else ha mentioned then placement of the sensor and the unbalance with the battery in the rear is a real deal breaker.
Love my NP-01s wireless
OP1we is the best shape I've had so far. Now testing Maya but I don't think that it will replace OP1, Maya is too wide.
Whats your hand size? Actually looking at these two options, 18x9.5cm relaxed claw.
@@jonathantran5821 18.5x10cm, OP1 is better for a little more aggressive grip, It feels more precise because its thinner. 53-54mm grip width where Maya has about 56-57mm.
Great video BT! Have you tried the Engame Op1we? I'm curious what you think about the build and shape. I'm pretty impressed with how well built it is and the shape.
also love the shapo of endgame
they were supposed to send me one but never followed through. I'll check in with them and see whats up.
believe it or not but i retired my gpx 1 for my starlight 12 tenZ edition. Originally I bought the TenZ mouse as a collector however I found myself performing really well on it while playing valorant. I compared the 2 mice while in the firing range doing the same simulations and I just flat out performed better on my starlight 12. I hate destroying this mouse with wear and tear because now I have some paint chipping off the corner of my LMB from accidently hitting my keyboard a few times (running out of mouse pad space)
Mine has been Lamzu Thorn. Truly surprising in hand movement for an ergo shape. The hump is great for relaxed claw/normal claw.
Loive the thorn
Dunno why, but always thought of Logitech as a low to mid-tier brand. You know, flimsy headphones, cheap desktop pc speakers, etc. But... The Superlight Pro is the best mouse I have ever had. So maybe my perception of Logitech is stuck back in the 90s and 00s.
I just want LOGITECH to make G703 Superlight.
For my bigboi hands and claw/palm hybrid grip I like the ROG Harpe Ace. It's not the best mouse, but its shape just works for me. Better than the RVU/DA Pro for me. Interested to see how the UltralightX L fairs.
Harpe Ace has a great shape. Sometimes a mouses flaws can be overlooked just based off the shape. Thanks for watching!
Shout out EGG xm2we. It's a perfect shape for larger claw/palm grip players.
If/when I get the spare money, I wanna try the Pulsar X2H, LOVED the OG X2 but that extra hump height could perfect the shape for me.
Also wanna try the new Xlite V3, looks like an Ergo King up there with the Thorn
Being a big fan of the xm2we I obviously am keen to try the Lamzu Atlantis/Mini.
Ended up being an excellent year for gaming mice!
x2h look so interesting i wanna try
Isn't it a HTS+ you are showing in the start? Not a HTX?
Ooo wrote the wrong name yes the HTS+
I bought the viper... I hope it's good. ALso subbed man... great calm demeanor and informative video. bravo.
#1 is 82g, that's pretty heavy considering it's the same exact shape as the logitech superlight, basically a downgrade. Implication here is gpx 2 is king. Yes gpx is boring af but still king, I don't have a gpx 2 but maybe in the future.
Razer Viper Mini SE is the GOAT, Ive been testing mice since late 90's and since getting the VMSE ive still tried the newest mice and still nothing has beat it for me. I got #87 and my copy was perfect with zero issues whatsoever and its been my main since.
I just can't get over the holes. if it didnt have holes it would be #1
I dont get the hate for the holes though, they dont cause discomfort unless someone is really just that soft and they dont ruin the mouse with dust like some people seem to think happens. Anyhow always good to see your videos pop up and I always enjoy watching them. @@BTaesthetics
OP1We is missing - perfect, slim claw grip mouse
fr near perfect shape for my claw grip
Shape is king and Lamzu Thorn is what's best for me. Dav3 was good but a little big for me. And when I tried the Lamzu Thorn it fits like a glove.
Thorn was a great shape. probably should have been on the list ngl
I am shocked I don’t already follow you, because THANK GOD somebody gets it!!! I will literally dodge a top tier mouse solely on the silhouette. Honestly the same is important not just for feel, but sex appeal!
Appreciate the follow and i 100% agree
GWolves HSK Pro 4K - for fingertip grip its unbeatable
If they had mice on display like other electronics it would be CHEAPER! Nuff said.
Thorn mouse of the year for me!
I love the Lamzu mini, the best shape for me, I've used the x2 mini, but the Lamzu mini just makes my aim smooth, and the clicks are so satisfying 👌🏾
I ahve one but for me is too little
LOL no Lanzu thorn, not even the GPX which everyone copies. No Vaxee Outset. Razor v3 is not a great shape and weighs 86g, yet you have it #1. Final mouse is pure garbage and belongs on trash tier fan boi list.
thorn probably should have ben on the list ngl
x2h mini is endgame for me, cant wait for the different colors
My mice seem to always die for one reason or another, so i tend to lean towards brands that last me longer. I’ve switched to a system where theres always two on my desk, so if one dies I can quickly order a new one.
Love the Viper V3, pairing it with an Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA battery + some dot feet and it's around 72-73 grams, great weight for me personally. The forward sensor position didn't bother me that much, really enjoy it!
Wouldnt mind trying the hts but gwolves pricing is kinda gross
What are those purplish gmk key caps? With the teal font? Looks awesome
mito laser
Great picks BT! Here's mine (not in order) Glorious Forge Series One Pro, Zaopin Z1pro, Op1we, Atlantis Mini Pro and Darmoshark M3s Varun
still using the logitech g 305, looking to find a mouse that will be better
Havent really gotten any new mice lately but im still rocking the mz1 wireless modded except for battery got it down to about 54g more or less with second pair of stock feet(until it feels bad i got corepadz waiting) and a few small hex pieces of super grips from pulsar for the pinky and thumb hands down best grip and is nice that the precut had small pieces to use. With the low hump the regular hump gains like 2g more or so but i change them depending on how im feeling and the game im playing but mainly the low hump. Still great since the mods for my aim been the most consistent.
When is the V3 PRO coming out?
The Viper V3's shape is nice but ultimately it's not really better than the Superlight and the weight balancing due to the battery and the sensor position are really difficult to get used to.
I am definitely a phase 2 user
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Happy Thanksgiving Kasiio hope you've been doing well my friend.
Couldnt agree more on this list W in my book
Thanks VLLN!
I’ve been using the HTX 4k for awhile now but I’m looking to upgrade to a Ultralight X small my hand size is 17.75 x 9 cm with a relaxed claw palm grip style is this a good move?
I just ordered the G wolves HTX 4k😄I lately been main'ing the Pulsar x2 mini and Lamzu atlantis mini, they are great mice, but i want a wireless small mouse that are a little more flat profil( more similar to a Zowie FK2/Glorious model O small)
I know the deathadder v2 series is outdated but the shape of it is literally perfect. I want to buy the deathadder v2 x hyperspeed but I don't know if I want to because of the build quality and it has a reputation of breaking after a couple of months. I'm also inclining towards the glorious model D pro, but it's a hefty buck for it. I love ergonomic mice, especially when it looks like the deathadder.
any suggestions, anyone?
Model D Pro seems to look really good, also the Pulsar Xlite v3!
I have big hands and my favorite mice is the g502 x lightspeed, I tried other light weight mice like the Model 0 and the Pulsefire Haste 2 but I just like the how the g502 fits in my hand. I use a fingertip grip btw.
New to kbm and currently using the deathadder v3 pro however, what I have noticed is that everyone hates on the super light but it’s in most people’s top 5. I think I will pick one up and maybe the glorious d2 pro.
I like the H2x mini cos I like hump
It's so good!
I broke my Aria in a rather embarassing way around a year ago and bought the DAV3 because I wanted to try the ergonomic shape. I've been maining it ever since the purchase as I don't want to spend more money for a new mouse. But the shape just feels so awkward to me. Like it'll start to feel really good when you've been playing for a while but if you just slap your hand down the mouse it just feels so awkward. Maybe it's because I've got small Asian hands but I don't know.
it's a huge mouse so i can see where you're coming from. thanks for watching
Viper v3 pro at 55g or so would be a real winner.
That would be end game.
My new main is Asus harpe Ace......amazing shape for my stile.
GPX feels like a damn potato in my hand. I picked it up last year to see what all the fuss was about and was incredibly underwhelmed. It is a great all-purpose mouse but for gaming it is bottom tier for my preferences. Picked up the Endgame Gear op1we last month and it is basically perfect for my claw/fingertip hybrid grip style, I don't even feel a need to explore other shapes for now despite the X2H being intriguing.
viper v3 is not anywhere close to the g pro x superlight 2
you're right its better lol. superlight 2 is goated tho
without a doubt, shape is KING! preach BT!!
HTS+ 4K is my top of 2023
Love my Pwnage Stormbreaker!
Pulsar X2H gets my vote.
Zaopin z1 pro is a great mouse it has some balancing issues.
lamzu maya bro ?
just got mine in this past week or else it would have made the list. great mouse shape!
what are top 5 palm grip mice?
HTS+ 4K = Best Claw Grip Mouse
Deathadder v3 Pro of course. Unless you are one of those weird people that play fingertip.
deathadder v3 is top tier for sure
Have you tried the Zaopin Z1 Pro?
It is an affordable egg shape with top tier internals. Rivals the quality of products that cost three times as much.
It's a great mouse but it has some balance issues
@@Decki777 What do you mean balance issues?
My copy is balanced in terms of weight distribution.
@@Spurrrg my mistake I was referring to the orochi v2
Oddly the Corsair m75 air is my favorite shape. Fits my hand like a glove
interesting pick. I did like the shape on the corsair m75
Where is Fantech Helios II Pro or the Lamzu Thorn? SMHHH
I have thorn. Good shape but for me asus ace harpe is better. Also the skates or the position give me less consistence with the thorn. Good to hand not so good for me in the results...
thorn probably should have been on the list ngl its goated.
Would love to see a new gwolves hts+ come out with usb type c
same. I hate changing out cables when I'm using it.
The GPX shape is so slept on. A lot almost imply that it's mediocre yet its a big reason for it being the #1 esports mouse. I've been going down the mouse rabbithole for a few years now. Got like 30 mice. The GPX is still #1. Just sits in my palm the best. Recently been getting into wider mice that are kind of comparable to the GPX. The Waizowl OGM PRO and Lamzu Thorn are absolute bangers. Wish both were a bit longer. Now in a waiting room for the Vaxee NP01 Wireless(not S). Might be endgame
Nah, theres one reason its the highest used esports mouse, and that is logitech throwing a shit ton of money at pro teams. Why u think navi played on those low profile mechanically keyboards? They’re objectively horrendous for FPS gaming.
GPX is a goated shape for sure.
I gotta give it to the GPW/X for being an ambi shape so good that it made me switch after only maining ergo shapes all my life because ambi shapes never quite felt right for my hand, and it ended up feeling better for me than all the ergo mice I've used.
lamzu all the way
for pincer grip?
You mean thumb and pinky fatigue? That’s my problem and the G303 is the best mouse I’ve ever used
Outset AX 🐐
The lamzu thorn is very similar to the outset ax and much lighter while also being wireless.