By the way, what you're experiencing on the touch screen with the OBS sliders is a quirk of Windows Ink, where the context of your touch (press and hold for right click, tap for click, swiping to click and drag) is causing a delay between what you want to do and what Windows is trying to guess that you want done. Many drawing tablets let you turn this off because as you experienced, it can be VERY annoying to deal with when you want responsive input.
might be that, might also be that the touchscreen capacitive sensing isn't happy when the whole thing is sitting on another device. I couldn't see enough of the back of it, but I have an issue with an ipad where if it is connected to an audio amp via its headphone socket & at the same time attached to its charger, the touchscreen behaves just like that. unplugging the charger cable fixes it.
@Samsung If you could make a keybaord like this with 1 week standby battery, 24hr full use battery, slim design (in thickness), eith AMOLED screen, and slightly adjustable arc in the screen facing toward more to the end user, compatible with Galaxy S Tab S8, S9 onwards?! IM BUYING!!
If you in need of a crash cart in a Datacentre, i would say 99% of the time, its because your server's O/S has crashed, or networking is not working. In either case, driver installation is likely to be an issue. More so in linux, and MS Server operating systems. But, given time, sure.
Honestly I've had it a few months now and love it for my workspace. I mostly work in Unreal Engine doing level design and scripting. When doing my level editing work the touch screen is the perfect size and ratio for my content browser. All in all I use 4 screens with different sizes and resolutions so this was perfect for my setup and makes for a practical second touchscreen amongst the 4.
This is great for flight sim people. They can display the instruments on this and interact with the touch screen while having the main screen solely for the view.
@@animecaptaingaming you know, I assembled a gamer PC based on the Ryzen and the RX 6600 TX to play MSFS over Steam, it's working great. But I'll save a, bit money before spending with better flight controls and otherc stuff. As I'm a helicopter pilot (IRL) I was waiting for Microsoft to make choppers available. I've been using MSFS since version 5, circa 1994, it's been quite a ride
As a recording/sound engineer I could see this being very useful for home studio usage to control faders and parameters for plugins, especially given the fact it works as a USB c passthrough/hub
you can run touchOSC on a 40 dollar amazon tablet... don't expect to use it for anything else, but touchOSC really doesn't require much processing power. Lemur needs a bit more power, it's more customizable and has built in sequencers and physics modulation, but you can run either on an ipad 2 currently selling for 165 dollars on amazon and the touch screen will be magic, again you aren't going to be happy using the ipad 2 for anything else, but as a touch screen controller either of these are much better options than this cheap glass and digitizer. pair this with a stream deck for some physical controls and still come in under the price of this thing. Not to mention this keyboard needs about 100 dollars of modification to pass as a decent mechanical keyboard. You can also run these on your phone, and can have multiple instances connected to one daw session, so if you are recording on your own, they work great for transport controls from the mic booth, or as personal monitor mixes for a live session. If you're truly an engineer i would stick with touchOSC, if you're producing definitely give lemur a look. There is also OSC/Pilot which runs on windows touch tablets, or on this overpriced mechanical keyboard, will also run on ios. The cheap amazon tablets can allow you to have multiple screens dedicated to certain signal paths. You could have x4 7inch screens for the price of that old ipad.
@@lucidx2 Thats a perfect use case for sure. The lackluster touch sensitivity might kill the idea though. Presonus faderport or something similar might be a better option, but take up a lot more real estate on the desk.
The number of missed/delayed touches on the screen would drive you insane within the hour. With such a small screen, the touch sensitivity needs to be as good as a tablet. The idea might be good but execution looks poor. After fixing that, they should just drop the keyboard part and have an angle adjustable screen and usb hub combo that can sit above an existing keyboard.
never spend over 500$ for any keyboard. after buying over a bunch of smaller 200$ products it seriously bugs me. r/mk are anti-consumer because every good keyboard is over 400$ and actually good and a huge milled block of perfectly shiny aluminum. idk what I'm saying. too many dumb kickstarters that fail and you cant return anything are very frustrating. the 200$ magnetic levitating ROTR which is the whole point of the macropad is the knob, is not centered. and you cant return it. just buy the nk65 and stop buying other garbage, you seriously don't need another keyboard.
Yeah I wish it plugged into your keyboard's USB-C and the USB-C on the display worked as a passthrough for the keyboard, but it came with a mini-displayport to displayport cable. And maybe the touch on the touchscreen could be powered by USB-A or USB-C.
One thing: switches cost about 20-60 cents per switch, not 2$, so even if you have to replace every single key on the board and are buying it with the express purpose of using your own preferential switches it will still not be another 130$ as implied in the video (it'd be another 35$ish USD if your switches cost 50 cents each, which is what "premium" switches cost on average). The selling point to this, to me, is the addition of the screen and it being hot-swappable. I'd be more than willing to spend the money on this and then go and replace every single switch (mostly because blues are horrible), it'd probably cost around that much to buy a barebones keyboard kit and a second monitor to do the same thing anyway.
this is completely correct. you could go for some Gateron Yellows that is the go to budget switch, which is ~4$ for 18 switches. there are super high end switches out there where you start to pay 1$ plus. but 2$ per swirtch is not realistic for 99% of all the buy custom keyboard or for people the upgrade hotswap keyboards. I have pointed out that Jay really need to look it to the custom keyboard see because this is the 2nd time in the few last months that he show his lack of information on the subject, which is a shame since a lot listen to him
Yeah.. Like shop the Wormier, some decent switches, get everything done for like 55$ and look for a second display (1080p is enough for the second imo) for like another 50-60$ Could be a used monitor or a TV.. 🤷🏻♂️ That's like 110 bucks and fuck that touchscreen.. If if want THAT or a hub like the elgato stream deck, i will just use my phone 🤫
@@bryangoodwin6579 well my excuse is the I am from the EU and here it is normal to but the currency sign after the number, I just use Dollars because the original comment used Dollars
This might be useful for people who are testing used computers. Having a small monitor built in with touchscreen seems to be good to quickly test a computer without fully hooking it up to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. Quicker to set up and run.
or just plug it into your test bench setup specifically where you just wire up the monitor mouse and keyboard. If you do that for a living I'm pretty sure you just plug in the proper tools to test it
This reminds me of an old Radio Shack word processor used by our sports writers at a local newspaper. It had a six-line lcd screen and an integrated keyboard that laid flat like this device. The sports writers loved it as it was great for two finger typists. It had an internal 24 baud modem for telephone transmission.
@@jimfranklin9770 I'm getting old, but I'm not old enough to have been employable when they were popular. But I love that sort of hardware, and happened to have seen a lot said about it recently.
@@CptJistuceI absolutely adore this form factor for computers like the t100 and t102,and all the clones in addition to the Z88 and the amstrad 120 I think it was called. The main problem with them was it was hard to save files on the go. Reporters just uploaded over phonelines but the rest of us just. Dealt with it. The Z88 and amstrad were smarter. Even back then the Z88 could hold 3 megs of ram!! If you were exceedingly wealthy that is. As for not bring employable at the time, we'll I'm right there with you. *sigh*
Just a small nitpick:The t100 and t102, even the t200 (but that was a different form factor), had 300baud modems built in. You could always connect a faster modem via the serial port but it took a long time for the 1200 baud modem to come out which virtually nobody bought and it's nearly unheard of. I got a 2400 baud zoltrix fax modem with my 486!
Soft dev here: The issues you experience with the touch functionality come down to the accessibility limitations of the app you're using and not the screen itself. OBS for instance wasn't designed with touch screen interfaces in mind.
As OBS accepts terminal commands, we could make or find an app with buttons that would send it command to do changes using larger buttons in html page or smt. ~~High chance there's already an app for this somewhere.~~ Touch Portal seems to be good app for it...
It's kinda funny. At first I thought the screen was the gimmick, when in actuality the keyboard is the gimmick. This isn't a keyboard with a screen, this is a screen with a keyboard. Having the keyboard completely fixed to the screen would be really annoying for somebody like me that angles their keyboard. Otherwise this seems like a reasonable gadget for productivity.
This is almost the same footprint as the Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 that was released in 1983 for $1,099.00. Eight kilobytes of RAM on a 2.4 Mhz processor with a monochrome LCD screen. At the time it was also viewed as a gimmick, but found its way into many dedicated commercial applications. The last time I saw one in use was as an electronic gate control panel at a secured storage back in 2012. I think you'll get your money's worth out of this much upgraded model.
Exactly what I was going to say! I have a Model 102 which I picked up in perfect cosmetic condition a few years ago and used it to browse BBS boards. I ended up packing it up and placing it into storage again after 2 months of solid use.
memories! Thanks Joseph. I was 14 when we got a trs80 at home in NZ. Branded as a Dick Smith TRS-80. Dick Smith was an Australian entrepreneur with about 400 retail outlets. Cassette-tape storage, Oh YEAH. three years later I was in the last year where punch cards were taught at university, as well as learning basic and pascal. All forgotten now. It was a thrill on the trs80 when I wrote my first programme - copied it really - to walk a stick fugure across the screen.
This could be useful for controls for a NVR software (security camera streaming/recording software). I could see throwing a timeline on the screen for scrubbing video, or having additional camera streams on the keyboard so you can keep an eye out on the camers while sending a quick email or having to type something
It could be used as something LIKE a stream deck, but you'd want an app for that if you wanted an actual stream deck styles set of buttons and actions, I would think...
I love my current ten keyless corsair keyboard but also this. I already found displays on ebay and aliexpress exactly like this and am thinking of making my own version with my corsair keyboard in it and a tiltable display. Ultimately it'll probably be about the same price but it'll be something to be proud of at least.
So basically a desktop version of what the ASUS Zenbook provides. I like my zenbook. The display/touchpad hybrid was so helpful for multitasking while I was still in college.
Would be really helpful if you talked about/did a text overlay with what the specs of the thing are; screen resolution, refresh rate, panel type, etc. As well, whether the screen cover was plastic or glass.
pulled this from their site, screen res is 1920x515, 60hz refresh rate. couldnt find the info online but id assume its an ips panel and covered with glass. could also just be a generic lcd display
This would be awesome for VSTs in music production, like a spectrum analyser or something. Great for DJs/Producers who are on tour but still wanna work on new music
Nah, get Samsung's Odyssey G9. All the screen you could ever want. Using it for my setup. And if you're on tour, the last thing you want is another piece of gear to haul around. Get a dual screen Asus if you're desperate for another screen.
10:20 Hey, random frontend dev checking in, I figure this is nothing but just a standard 'too small hitbox' issue. The graphic itself is very small, and your finger is touching a way larger area than the thing you're trying to grab. Chances are the OS is reporting a position outside of the grabber, so you haven't hit it. This is what people mean when describing whether apps are made for touchscreens or not.
I would absolutely use this for firmware engineering -- being able to have a UART serial up on the spare monitor at all times is super useful. Not for a laptop, for my desktop. I have limited desk space for extra monitors (I have a 27" and the laptop itself, and I'm out of room), but heaps of room on the keyboard slide out tray for something like this.
I've seen a handful of people do different DIY versions of this form factor for a while now, and I was considering making my own in the future, so thank you for your suggestions on improvements because I will definitely keep those in mind when I make mine lmao
I see something like this and instantly think of the old TRS-80 Model 100 (I just dated myself, ha). The thickness of the device as-is makes me what to pick it up and try to “cyberdeck” it out. While slate computers aren’t exactly all the rage, with a few tweaks something like this could be an interesting product. As you allude to, a tilt screen seems definitely atop the list. Still yet, this seems like an interesting DYI cyber deck project piece.
I write all day and all night for a living. I could totally see how this could be useful as a secondary screen for research, outlines, even web sources, similar to the ASUS dual screen laptops. With the half-decent keyboard, this product looks like a win for me, even at the $389 US price point. Great video Jay, I'd like to see more of this weird and wacky tech series.
I certainly enjoy "Jay finds a wacky thing from Amazon and checks it out", and I also appreciate you wanting to support the guys making these cool hardware!
"support the guys making these cool hardware". There are a TON of these on amazon. These guys aren't "making" it, they are buying it from some cheap-o mass-shop in china and rebranding it. There are about 20 different brands of this keyboard....
This is pretty cool. I did an interview with a writer for an advertising/marketing campaign that the company I was working for was on. He has a similar device, but real low-tech. Basically, a portable transcriber with a week of battery life and four lines of lcd text. he said it was awesome for purely writing as there were no distractions - he would write, then dump the text via USB to a PC and format it in Word. Storage was minimal, not a lot needed for just text, and it was robust as hell. He had travelled all around the world with it for years and it was pretty much bulletproof.
something I could really see that being used for is something like Voicemeeter. It is designed for touch controls. Also did I miss it or did you not test the glare if it was setup in front of a normal panel like dual monitor or triple?
Really cool idea, but I would probably use it as a streamdeck. Seems to work perfectly fine for that. Main issue; My keyboard that is better than that one (and with the correct Nordic lettering) + a Streamdeck... costs less than that keyboard. Verdict? Neat. But it costs way too much for me to see myself getting one.
As a mechanical engineer who runs dual monitors are work, I think this would be really cool to keep my outlook and teams windows that way they don’t get away with the other programs I utilize day to day.
Jay since you been streaming alot more lately, a "cool gadget" i can recommend for this video series would be a Korg Nanokontrol2 midi controller. If used with the Midi-Mixer software and the OBS Plugin for that software it can be a hardware volume controller for all windows volume sources, a volume controller for sources inside OBS, and has buttons that can be used to change scenes and stuff in OBS like a stream deck sorta. And it costs under $100. I can expand on this more (it's something I've covered with a tutorial) if it interests you.
Second this - touch screens for on screen controls are nice until you start using them regularly and realize how awful it is to have no tactile feedback for anything you do. There's very little reason to spend $400 on one of these sorts of keyboard displays when a midi control surface can control almost everything you need in OBS or any professional audio/video application, with switches, dials, and sliders appropriate to each function. I bought a Korg Nanokontrol2 almost a decade ago now and it remains one of my go-to options when I need to have access to fine tune audio, video, scenes, etc in a way that my stream deck can't manage on its own.
@@NickCharles Yup, there's a few times I was doing a light gig in a bar where all the lights on the venue were controlled from a touch screen. There I was, tapping an effect off/on (because the light programming and amount of different "scenes" was pretty much subpar and no one "got time" to make more), eventually my finger drifted to a wrong point and the whole program went hiding. IIRC, I didn't actually kill the program, but the lack of tactile feedback was purely an awful experience. Though that was just a run of the mill night, so nothing to worry about. When doing live light mixing, strobe flicking, anything manual, I really just focus to the sound and the dance floor and then do my thing, so a tactile feedback is a must. I know there is these knobs that can be placed on a touch screen, I don't know if they make sliders, but those should give an actual interface.
Coming up with ideas for content has got to be difficult and Jay has been killing it lately. So much variety and new to the channel videos lately. Loving it!
@@CyberBeep_kenshi what kinda utopia do you live in? 375 for a crappy laptop, 150 for a crappy tablet, 525 usd and all of those will stop working in 6 months
@@anonymous-hf6oo i said Or. you can buy simple laptops for 400, and a decent tablet for that amount. and then you have better performance, all the features, And they are fully functional devices as well. so i don't see Any reason to buy that gadget, just a waste of money
Instead of having basically a mini touch-screen monitor on the keyboard, I think having a touch-screen STRIP where the Function keys would go that would dynamically change the virtual Function keys depending on what program is currently active. Many people never utilize the Function keys in different programs because who can remember what F7 does in the dozens of programs someone uses. Having it actually say what the key does would help a lot more. You could save/modify a setup file for each of the different programs you use to display/configure what each Function key does.
@@renaudcalmont Sorry, don't use Apple. Too draconian of a company. Wish I could find a Touch Bar/Function key Touch screen for Windows computers. I would buy it.
Neither do I, just saying they already tried and failed despite a strong software-hardware integration effort, so I don't expect a hacky clone to be better. Something like the keyboard/stream deck hybrid from razer is more innovative in my opinion but probably has too few programmable keys
This seems really cool! …. at like $190 … Also it’s really unfortunate they didn’t figure out some kind of solution for the function keys. That plus moving Esc to where tilde belongs makes this not great for programmers or other non-creator use cases.
Definitely think there's value there for streaming and editing solutions in this product. I hope you or Phil puts it to good use and then we get a follow-up video on using it regularly.
The movement in the key stems is not a "gateron" thing. It is just that cheap OEM variant they made for that kind of product. Gateron makes mostly very high-end and purpose specific switches.
Yeah, plus he said they're wobbly because they dont have stabilization?? Cherry doesn't have "stabilization" on the housing of their switches either, whatever that means.
This is brilliant for IT work. Many deployed devices do not have monitors. I also think using the window manager in PowerToys would allow for more interesting window layouts on the mini screen for general use.
If it actually worked when using those sliders, I could see some applications uses. But the fact it won’t respond efficiently, I give this a big NO. Half baked and not ready for prime time. 👎I also think the screen on the back should be able to tilt up. Then you can see it without straining.
The reason you had trouble with the sliders is probably due to your hand being rotated. Where you touch and where you think you are touching is slightly offset and touch screens compensate for that but they expect your hand to be facing up. That is why you had to touch slightly off to the side with your hand held at 90 degrees to the screen.
Looks like a pretty neat product. Can definitely see some uses for it. Less convenient than a second screen but takes less space and has touch capabilities. Reminds me of those Asus laptops with a second screen in their touchpad.
I would be more interested in it if it was a full-sized keyboard, with function keys and numpad. This is definitely a concept I can get behind, though.
Honestly, if it's not a full size keyboard, then I expect it to be smaller all around...the whole or at least main point, of anything smaller than an 85% keyboard at minimum, is space saving, so if it doesn't save space, then it isn't living up to it's ideals, as removing numpads and F keys were never about increasing the size of the keyboard, in anything other than the laptop market segment, in my opinion... That screen just doesn't fit the "be small and sleek" style I've come to expect from small keyboards. However though, I think it would work perfectly fine as a server monitor provided the server has the appropriate connections required to make it all work, and would probably work pretty acceptably for any usecase that Jay provided...
It might be really cool to pair with a 3d printer / raspberry pi setup? Have Kliper/Octoprint installed and do all your slicing right there at the printer... Maybe even if you had a print farm I could see a use there depending on how you set it all up would be kinda dope to see this integrated into a really nice custom Voron build / Ratrig as an integrated part of the printer build.
As a software developer who always has a terminal emulator open, this would be great for monitoring server or debug output or just keeping your tabs with terminal windows on or for chat channels when game streaming. A few small improvements and that could be seriously useful. Even more so if you add a few macro keys. You can use it for a Bitfocus Companion emulator, too.
I'm somewhat reminded of portable personal computers of the past. It's a formfactor I actually miss! At this price I might want one... if it was a proper portable computer.
In addition to the streaming/editing tasks, I think this thing could be handy for the flight sim home cockpit crowd where space is at a premium. I wonder how well this thing might work with a Raspberry Pi as well...
Its pricey for what it is but i reckon it would come in quite handy for working with music production. Been able to throw a couple of vst windows down there to tweak on the fly or just the mixer channel to free up the main screen for arranging etc
This would be VERY useful for troubleshooting headless servers. Also, I could see myself maybe replacing my sensor panel and keyboard with this one. But it's basically the same price and more likely to fail being a combo. I would want a lower price and change the angle of the screen.
I'd rather just have an old 19" flat monitor sitting there that everyone has laying around or can be bought for used for like $5 I've seen. Then a Logitech or similar wireless keyboard/trackpad. All you move is the keyboard etc
As a disabled person with a computer wallmounted next to my bed, I can see an item like this being incredibly useful for moments when I want to use my computer but am not quite capable of sitting up to reach the keyboard/mouse tray. It would let me get an idea of what was on the screen if I couldn't see from my angle, let me respond to messages or type up a youtube comment or open a different program. I currently have a tablet pc that I use for my bad days but I've never quite been able to get it to connect with my main computer in a functional way, though I can stream programs installed on my main computer to it - there's just a massive latency issue.
10:45 - I think that was just a bit of like, parallax error from you trying to not get in the way of the shot. If you were centered and straight-on I think it would have been fine. I think the real missed opportunity here though is that it doesn't have VGA/HDMI/DP/DVI in - it'd make a great portable KVM
Can it operate alone on the road. Does it have batteries. Basically, would like an up-to-date TRS Model 100 like the one made by Kyocera for Radio Shack. Still a good compact system for coding, texting, journaling...🙂👍
Quick tip for opening boxes with a knife and not damaging stuff inside. Pinch the blade about 1/8" from the tip and run the knife along the seam. It's a technique used by chefs on produce. You can also place your index finger on the spine of the blade just short of the tip and use that as a stop.
@@TheHaydenAlexander You might have to use "Z88 computer", to get around the Google gunfixation relationship their trying to build in your search history.🤭
Neat concept and I can definitely see use cases for me using this, but $400 for essentially a non name brand is a no-go for me. Maybe if they stick around for a year and do firmware updates, work out hardware kinks etc, I'll consider it.
I agree with you 100%.....and it lacks with all the other software that can be obtained with an actual name brand standard computer for a tiny bit more money.
After hearing that keyboard I realised how great it would be to see you build your own custom one. So many great options out there and it doesn't have to break the bank.
I was exactly thinking that. Also for the first 5 minutes I didn't even realise that this is in fact not a computer on it's own, just a display with the keyboard.
Basically more screens in small footprints is better than monolithic ones. It's part of why I love having two iPads and an iPhone, as well as a travel monitor.
Conceptually I think that this is a great prototype for something much bigger more advanced bigger screen definitely keep the Hub features and I think it would be very interesting to see two or three computers connected where you can seamlessly jump from one machine to another active screen keyboard if you will. But for 400, it should be a much better product on the upgrade aspect. in material, space, and time to market, this company is spending around $60.00 to $100 per unit to manufacture so with all that extra cash happy I'm ritch bitch they should make a nice upgrade to this device. Thanks for the read!
Personally I don't see how you could develop this further. Right now it's a keyboard with a screen but the next step in my mind would just be a laptop. But maybe you have some out of the box idea in your head? 🤔I think you could already use this one with several PC's if you have the appropriate USB switch hub.
this is best for anyone needing to edit stuff on the go like a music producer mixing his masterpiece. theyre always looking for different/ novel forms of input
You could control the brightness on that triple monitor setup as well, Jay. You just have to plug in both of the USB plugs for power, otherwise it reverts to a default brightness setting that is low power. The refresh rate is also effected by this. Edit: Also, for the touch screen, you probably need to calibrate that for the touch to work properly. Something else you can do is instead of trying to drag the sliders in OBS, is just click in the slider field where you want it to go and it'll jump the slider to that position.
This is a beautiful form factor so it is not surprising it sells. Originally seen in laptop computers of the 1980s, such as the Epson HX-20, Epson PX-4, Epson PX-8, and the Husky Hunter series of computers. When you were showing the graphic of the product on the box, I could have sworn I was looking at a Husky Hunter! A flip-up screen like you describe was seen on the Epson PX-8 and the Olivetti M10. The glaring omission in this product is the inclusion of a computer inside the enclosure, which would cost next to nothing and improve the functionality, and USP of this product. Such an idiotic omission makes this product practically useless, with the only exception of reviving the form factor. Hopefully other manufacturers will take notice and fill this deficiency.
You are not wrong. You just described a cyberdeck. Mount an SoC and power in the chassis, and youre set. You can do this today if you velcro / duct-tape a Raspberry Pi and USB battery to this device. It even has Ethernet ports and wifi antennas for network access. You just built a cyberdeck.
Jay, if you are looking for another gimmicky but life changing product, check out the Lapboards. I saw Linus use a Corsair K63 Lapboard in many of his older from home videos and finally found one myself. I tried it out and have never gone back to normal sitting at the desk gaming since. I got a comfy gaming seat that lets me sit a few feet away from my setup. If you have a big enough screen, you can even use a couch.
Now that is an idea. We have service technicians that regularly have to carry a monitor and keyboard to service field equipment/servers. We have used every type of mobile/folding monitor set up over the years, this looks like it has potential!
I wish it was just the screen, no keyboard. for my desk I would like a smaller, wide screen like that for certain things. I know I can get the screens off aliexpress, etc, but they normally have the ports exiting off the side and not the back. For a desk, I feel like going out the top or back is better. My use case would be under my existing monitor angled up towards me with some "stats" on it, or maybe even some of my chats.
Im currently building something simular with raspberry pie, only the screen is smaller and located in the center of the keyboard (I had to get a split one for that). Tried to search for simular products but didn't find anything, so this video was a lucky find! Product is nice, very good looking
Thank you for showing me this sub! I will, but it's not ready yet. Funny how I also call it "deck" in my head because of the Neuromancer novel (I call it "decka" in my native language because of the translation)
If they could get the touch screen aspect and maybe the resolution better this would work very well as a control surface both for video and streaming like you showed, but also audio production. Plug it in to use as a control surface for an Apollo interface or something. Be able to control all the faders right there next to your keyboard without having another touch screen or an extremely expensive control surface or console.
Touchscreen FL Studio... Ill never go back. Started at V. 3.0, a laptop with the lil nubbin joystick. Mouse equally frustrating (no dpi). Unimaginable workflow now, a MASSIVE barrier lifted. 10 out of 10.
For reference the TRS-80 Model 100. There were a lot of people still using these long after they were current, due to the flat form factor. Literally knew it would be a 'better than I expected' video just from the thumbnail due to the flat screen included form factor.
I'd use that in the shop, it would be great for making boot drives, data recovery/transfer, hardware troubleshooting, maybe add some oscilloscope applications to it....
companies should make dedicated touch displays with this similar aspect ratio that are around the same size as full keyboards for control surfaces or for other types of media development. Being able to put one in your lap or carry in your arms like a tablet would be so handy and gimmicky I'd absolutely love it.
Does anyone make small separate monitors like that just to prop up on your desk above your keyboard cause I desperately want my obs like that but don't want a third full size monitor or this keyboard
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By the way, what you're experiencing on the touch screen with the OBS sliders is a quirk of Windows Ink, where the context of your touch (press and hold for right click, tap for click, swiping to click and drag) is causing a delay between what you want to do and what Windows is trying to guess that you want done. Many drawing tablets let you turn this off because as you experienced, it can be VERY annoying to deal with when you want responsive input.
Microsoft thinking that they know better what you want to do than yourself? Say it aint so.
might be that, might also be that the touchscreen capacitive sensing isn't happy when the whole thing is sitting on another device. I couldn't see enough of the back of it, but I have an issue with an ipad where if it is connected to an audio amp via its headphone socket & at the same time attached to its charger, the touchscreen behaves just like that. unplugging the charger cable fixes it.
*clippy voice* I see you are trying to use a touch screen!
@Samsung
If you could make a keybaord like this with 1 week standby battery, 24hr full use battery, slim design (in thickness), eith AMOLED screen, and slightly adjustable arc in the screen facing toward more to the end user, compatible with Galaxy S Tab S8, S9 onwards?! IM BUYING!!
Thats unusable.
I could see this being very useful as a replacement for a crash cart in a data center. Especially if you dont need a mouse for terminal access only.
It's probably cheaper than most crash carts too
It would also be better as just a screen instead of mounted to the KB
Most servers only have VGA output and no USB type C. So the screen would be useless
@@xFrozenxSnowx most servers are replaces like once a year so give it a short while and you'll get your upgrade
If you in need of a crash cart in a Datacentre, i would say 99% of the time, its because your server's O/S has crashed, or networking is not working. In either case, driver installation is likely to be an issue. More so in linux, and MS Server operating systems. But, given time, sure.
Hide taskbar and increase the OS user interface scaling, should be in pretty good shape. But ya, tilt display and $100 cheaper would be a win.
Gonna agree... tilt screen + my own preferred keyboard.
Tilt display but better touchscreen at the same price and it's great
Honestly I've had it a few months now and love it for my workspace. I mostly work in Unreal Engine doing level design and scripting. When doing my level editing work the touch screen is the perfect size and ratio for my content browser. All in all I use 4 screens with different sizes and resolutions so this was perfect for my setup and makes for a practical second touchscreen amongst the 4.
Can u tell me how does the F1-f12 function keys work on this keyboard as it is missing?
@@ParvathyKapoor you press FN+ESC to + keys, like other 60 and 65% keebs
This is great for flight sim people. They can display the instruments on this and interact with the touch screen while having the main screen solely for the view.
I use old smartphones e a tablet running android apps you can sync with FSX
@@pccunha wait. You still use FSX?
@@animecaptaingaming in fact no, lol
But i still have all the gear. Also, there's similar stuff for the MSFS 2020
@@pccunha okay, LOL! you thrown me off. I was on the alpha build.
@@animecaptaingaming you know, I assembled a gamer PC based on the Ryzen and the RX 6600 TX to play MSFS over Steam, it's working great. But I'll save a, bit money before spending with better flight controls and otherc stuff. As I'm a helicopter pilot (IRL) I was waiting for Microsoft to make choppers available.
I've been using MSFS since version 5, circa 1994, it's been quite a ride
As a recording/sound engineer I could see this being very useful for home studio usage to control faders and parameters for plugins, especially given the fact it works as a USB c passthrough/hub
I was wondering that. Be nice to have some plugins open separate from the monitor.
you can run touchOSC on a 40 dollar amazon tablet... don't expect to use it for anything else, but touchOSC really doesn't require much processing power. Lemur needs a bit more power, it's more customizable and has built in sequencers and physics modulation, but you can run either on an ipad 2 currently selling for 165 dollars on amazon and the touch screen will be magic, again you aren't going to be happy using the ipad 2 for anything else, but as a touch screen controller either of these are much better options than this cheap glass and digitizer. pair this with a stream deck for some physical controls and still come in under the price of this thing. Not to mention this keyboard needs about 100 dollars of modification to pass as a decent mechanical keyboard. You can also run these on your phone, and can have multiple instances connected to one daw session, so if you are recording on your own, they work great for transport controls from the mic booth, or as personal monitor mixes for a live session. If you're truly an engineer i would stick with touchOSC, if you're producing definitely give lemur a look. There is also OSC/Pilot which runs on windows touch tablets, or on this overpriced mechanical keyboard, will also run on ios. The cheap amazon tablets can allow you to have multiple screens dedicated to certain signal paths. You could have x4 7inch screens for the price of that old ipad.
i was just thinking how much id love that to put my Mixer down there when making tracks
oh yes, having insight and tonal balance control on that little screen would be so cool
@@lucidx2 Thats a perfect use case for sure. The lackluster touch sensitivity might kill the idea though. Presonus faderport or something similar might be a better option, but take up a lot more real estate on the desk.
The number of missed/delayed touches on the screen would drive you insane within the hour. With such a small screen, the touch sensitivity needs to be as good as a tablet. The idea might be good but execution looks poor. After fixing that, they should just drop the keyboard part and have an angle adjustable screen and usb hub combo that can sit above an existing keyboard.
It would be really something if they'd made a revision with everything you listed.
never spend over 500$ for any keyboard. after buying over a bunch of smaller 200$ products it seriously bugs me. r/mk are anti-consumer because every good keyboard is over 400$ and actually good and a huge milled block of perfectly shiny aluminum. idk what I'm saying. too many dumb kickstarters that fail and you cant return anything are very frustrating. the 200$ magnetic levitating ROTR which is the whole point of the macropad is the knob, is not centered. and you cant return it. just buy the nk65 and stop buying other garbage, you seriously don't need another keyboard.
Yeah I wish it plugged into your keyboard's USB-C and the USB-C on the display worked as a passthrough for the keyboard, but it came with a mini-displayport to displayport cable. And maybe the touch on the touchscreen could be powered by USB-A or USB-C.
ASUS actually has a screen coming out like that, the ProArt PA147CDV. It's basically the long touch panel from the ZenBook Pro Duo.
@@luciascarlet thank you I checked a video and looks like a nice product
One thing: switches cost about 20-60 cents per switch, not 2$, so even if you have to replace every single key on the board and are buying it with the express purpose of using your own preferential switches it will still not be another 130$ as implied in the video (it'd be another 35$ish USD if your switches cost 50 cents each, which is what "premium" switches cost on average). The selling point to this, to me, is the addition of the screen and it being hot-swappable. I'd be more than willing to spend the money on this and then go and replace every single switch (mostly because blues are horrible), it'd probably cost around that much to buy a barebones keyboard kit and a second monitor to do the same thing anyway.
this is completely correct. you could go for some Gateron Yellows that is the go to budget switch, which is ~4$ for 18 switches. there are super high end switches out there where you start to pay 1$ plus. but 2$ per swirtch is not realistic for 99% of all the buy custom keyboard or for people the upgrade hotswap keyboards. I have pointed out that Jay really need to look it to the custom keyboard see because this is the 2nd time in the few last months that he show his lack of information on the subject, which is a shame since a lot listen to him
Jay is clearly not a keyboard nerd, yet!
Yeah.. Like shop the Wormier, some decent switches, get everything done for like 55$ and look for a second display (1080p is enough for the second imo) for like another 50-60$
Could be a used monitor or a TV.. 🤷🏻♂️ That's like 110 bucks and fuck that touchscreen.. If if want THAT or a hub like the elgato stream deck, i will just use my phone 🤫
Did I just accidentally slip into a universe where people put the dollar sign after the number?
@@bryangoodwin6579 well my excuse is the I am from the EU and here it is normal to but the currency sign after the number, I just use Dollars because the original comment used Dollars
This might be useful for people who are testing used computers. Having a small monitor built in with touchscreen seems to be good to quickly test a computer without fully hooking it up to a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. Quicker to set up and run.
commited enough to fix the used computer, but not commited enough to plug in a monitor
@@BGraves I would assume they want to at least test the computer before attempting to fix the whole thing otherwise it would be a waste of time.
or just plug it into your test bench setup specifically where you just wire up the monitor mouse and keyboard. If you do that for a living I'm pretty sure you just plug in the proper tools to test it
Or just buy a laptop
This reminds me of an old Radio Shack word processor used by our sports writers at a local newspaper. It had a six-line lcd screen and an integrated keyboard that laid flat like this device. The sports writers loved it as it was great for two finger typists. It had an internal 24 baud modem for telephone transmission.
Likely the venerable Model 100. Which was a rebadge of Kyocera's KC-85. And, frankly, was probably the inspiration for this.
@@CptJistuce You’re right. I had forgotten the model number until you said it. I hate getting old.
@@jimfranklin9770 I'm getting old, but I'm not old enough to have been employable when they were popular. But I love that sort of hardware, and happened to have seen a lot said about it recently.
@@CptJistuceI absolutely adore this form factor for computers like the t100 and t102,and all the clones in addition to the Z88 and the amstrad 120 I think it was called. The main problem with them was it was hard to save files on the go. Reporters just uploaded over phonelines but the rest of us just. Dealt with it. The Z88 and amstrad were smarter. Even back then the Z88 could hold 3 megs of ram!! If you were exceedingly wealthy that is. As for not bring employable at the time, we'll I'm right there with you. *sigh*
Just a small nitpick:The t100 and t102, even the t200 (but that was a different form factor), had 300baud modems built in. You could always connect a faster modem via the serial port but it took a long time for the 1200 baud modem to come out which virtually nobody bought and it's nearly unheard of. I got a 2400 baud zoltrix fax modem with my 486!
Soft dev here: The issues you experience with the touch functionality come down to the accessibility limitations of the app you're using and not the screen itself. OBS for instance wasn't designed with touch screen interfaces in mind.
As OBS accepts terminal commands, we could make or find an app with buttons that would send it command to do changes using larger buttons in html page or smt.
~~High chance there's already an app for this somewhere.~~
Touch Portal seems to be good app for it...
Yeah, so it really comes down to which programs would truly benefit off of multitasking with such a device
And Latency. He KEPT trying to do it too fast! It was trying to tell him....
I'm sorry you are soft.
It's kinda funny. At first I thought the screen was the gimmick, when in actuality the keyboard is the gimmick. This isn't a keyboard with a screen, this is a screen with a keyboard.
Having the keyboard completely fixed to the screen would be really annoying for somebody like me that angles their keyboard. Otherwise this seems like a reasonable gadget for productivity.
ya, it would be a lot better if the screen was on a hinge
Exactly. If you angle the keyboard away from you, youd be unable to see the screen at all
@@SakuraShuuichi look up the Zenbook Pro duo. They figured out EXACTLY THAT
That was a Linus level ad transition. Well done Sir
What ad?
Seems really cool instead of having to get a 2nd or 3rd monitor for something to host like obs or other or like a midi deck.
A loupedeck is cheaper, more portable, has knobs and touch buttons... and has plugins for Adobe products, OBS, twitch and so on.
:3 Not good for the posture of the body. I would hard pass on this.
This is almost the same footprint as the Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 that was released in 1983 for $1,099.00. Eight kilobytes of RAM on a 2.4 Mhz processor with a monochrome LCD screen. At the time it was also viewed as a gimmick, but found its way into many dedicated commercial applications. The last time I saw one in use was as an electronic gate control panel at a secured storage back in 2012. I think you'll get your money's worth out of this much upgraded model.
I was about to say that 56 years old now I had a Tandy TRS -80 😢 all i can afford
Exactly what I was going to say! I have a Model 102 which I picked up in perfect cosmetic condition a few years ago and used it to browse BBS boards. I ended up packing it up and placing it into storage again after 2 months of solid use.
not at $550 clams for just a kybd
memories! Thanks Joseph. I was 14 when we got a trs80 at home in NZ. Branded as a Dick Smith TRS-80. Dick Smith was an Australian entrepreneur with about 400 retail outlets. Cassette-tape storage, Oh YEAH. three years later I was in the last year where punch cards were taught at university, as well as learning basic and pascal. All forgotten now. It was a thrill on the trs80 when I wrote my first programme - copied it really - to walk a stick fugure across the screen.
This could be useful for controls for a NVR software (security camera streaming/recording software). I could see throwing a timeline on the screen for scrubbing video, or having additional camera streams on the keyboard so you can keep an eye out on the camers while sending a quick email or having to type something
I can see this being usefull for a Raspberry Pi (or a larkbox) as a portable mini PC. That pricetag is pretty rough though.
Agreed.
Might aswell buy a cheap laptop or a used one with that price point
tinkering aside, just get a mid range laptop for the price
those screens are easy to find on aliexpress and similar. so it might be better to build all by yourself
RPi 400 + TouchScreen
Could definitely be used as a stream deck or for recording videos! Seems neat and could definitely be useful for some people!
It could be used as something LIKE a stream deck, but you'd want an app for that if you wanted an actual stream deck styles set of buttons and actions, I would think...
@@northwiebesick7136 True! At that point you’d probably just want to buy an actual stream deck haha
Bluetooth keyboard & separate touchscreen with a stream deck app alternative FTW.
Not for $389 bucks, geez!
You could probably run TouchPortal on the screen using BlueStacks. Then it's basically a stream deck.
I love my current ten keyless corsair keyboard but also this. I already found displays on ebay and aliexpress exactly like this and am thinking of making my own version with my corsair keyboard in it and a tiltable display. Ultimately it'll probably be about the same price but it'll be something to be proud of at least.
What kind of keyboard do you have?
@gh0st_h4rdware just a k70 rgb champion. Nothing too fancy but its responsive and exactly what I want in a keyboard.
If you do, could you document your process on YT or at least post some pictures?
O.o Not good for the posture of the body. I would hard pass on this.
So basically a desktop version of what the ASUS Zenbook provides. I like my zenbook. The display/touchpad hybrid was so helpful for multitasking while I was still in college.
Nice! I was gonna get the ExpertBook, but the ZenBook is much more in RAM, far better screen, etc. I currently have an Acer laptop, 4 GB RAM. Lol.
:3 Not good for the posture of the body. I would hard pass on this.
Display touchpad is revolutionary btw! I think I first saw it with the ExpertBook. I've not seen it in person yet.
Would be really helpful if you talked about/did a text overlay with what the specs of the thing are; screen resolution, refresh rate, panel type, etc. As well, whether the screen cover was plastic or glass.
pulled this from their site, screen res is 1920x515, 60hz refresh rate. couldnt find the info online but id assume its an ips panel and covered with glass. could also just be a generic lcd display
This would be awesome for VSTs in music production, like a spectrum analyser or something. Great for DJs/Producers who are on tour but still wanna work on new music
I would totally just buy this as a display for MiniMeters
it would be PERFECT to put the mixing rack on, then you could drag the knobs with your fingers instead of the mouse
Making the entire keyboard useless tho.
💯
Nah, get Samsung's Odyssey G9. All the screen you could ever want. Using it for my setup. And if you're on tour, the last thing you want is another piece of gear to haul around. Get a dual screen Asus if you're desperate for another screen.
10:20 Hey, random frontend dev checking in, I figure this is nothing but just a standard 'too small hitbox' issue. The graphic itself is very small, and your finger is touching a way larger area than the thing you're trying to grab. Chances are the OS is reporting a position outside of the grabber, so you haven't hit it.
This is what people mean when describing whether apps are made for touchscreens or not.
It's like the "Skip Ad" button on UA-cam's mobile app; smaller than the tip of any human finger
@@dhoffnun that's made that way for a reason lol😅
I would absolutely use this for firmware engineering -- being able to have a UART serial up on the spare monitor at all times is super useful. Not for a laptop, for my desktop. I have limited desk space for extra monitors (I have a 27" and the laptop itself, and I'm out of room), but heaps of room on the keyboard slide out tray for something like this.
In theory, this is a remarkable idea for exactly that.
I've seen a handful of people do different DIY versions of this form factor for a while now, and I was considering making my own in the future, so thank you for your suggestions on improvements because I will definitely keep those in mind when I make mine lmao
Can you point me in the direction of some diy videos of similar stuff? Sounds interesting :)
@@magnuswf Search for the term "cyberdeck", and you'll get going in the right direction.
@@CptJistuce Thank you friend
I see something like this and instantly think of the old TRS-80 Model 100 (I just dated myself, ha). The thickness of the device as-is makes me what to pick it up and try to “cyberdeck” it out. While slate computers aren’t exactly all the rage, with a few tweaks something like this could be an interesting product. As you allude to, a tilt screen seems definitely atop the list. Still yet, this seems like an interesting DYI cyber deck project piece.
Came here to say that. It was my dream machine back then. Cheers, old chap
@@tom-was Same! 😄
I used to sell those old Model 100's back when I worked at Radio Shack in the 80s. It's exactly what related it to.
I write all day and all night for a living. I could totally see how this could be useful as a secondary screen for research, outlines, even web sources, similar to the ASUS dual screen laptops. With the half-decent keyboard, this product looks like a win for me, even at the $389 US price point. Great video Jay, I'd like to see more of this weird and wacky tech series.
I certainly enjoy "Jay finds a wacky thing from Amazon and checks it out", and I also appreciate you wanting to support the guys making these cool hardware!
"support the guys making these cool hardware". There are a TON of these on amazon. These guys aren't "making" it, they are buying it from some cheap-o mass-shop in china and rebranding it. There are about 20 different brands of this keyboard....
08:15 "a hub for a keyboard and mouse"... Finally i can Stick my keyboard Into my Keyboard! 😂
This is pretty cool. I did an interview with a writer for an advertising/marketing campaign that the company I was working for was on. He has a similar device, but real low-tech. Basically, a portable transcriber with a week of battery life and four lines of lcd text. he said it was awesome for purely writing as there were no distractions - he would write, then dump the text via USB to a PC and format it in Word. Storage was minimal, not a lot needed for just text, and it was robust as hell. He had travelled all around the world with it for years and it was pretty much bulletproof.
I bet you are talking about an Alphasmart
something I could really see that being used for is something like Voicemeeter. It is designed for touch controls. Also did I miss it or did you not test the glare if it was setup in front of a normal panel like dual monitor or triple?
Voicemeeter FTW!
I would definitely use this for music production by setting the mixer in this screen space. Awesome !
Exactly my thought!
What would you use the keyboard for in that setup?
@@johnmaurer3097 You still use a keyboard for production, shortcuts etc, usual shit heh
Really cool idea, but I would probably use it as a streamdeck. Seems to work perfectly fine for that.
Main issue; My keyboard that is better than that one (and with the correct Nordic lettering) + a Streamdeck... costs less than that keyboard.
Verdict? Neat. But it costs way too much for me to see myself getting one.
As a mechanical engineer who runs dual monitors are work, I think this would be really cool to keep my outlook and teams windows that way they don’t get away with the other programs I utilize day to day.
how does function keys work on this keyboard?
Jay since you been streaming alot more lately, a "cool gadget" i can recommend for this video series would be a Korg Nanokontrol2 midi controller. If used with the Midi-Mixer software and the OBS Plugin for that software it can be a hardware volume controller for all windows volume sources, a volume controller for sources inside OBS, and has buttons that can be used to change scenes and stuff in OBS like a stream deck sorta. And it costs under $100. I can expand on this more (it's something I've covered with a tutorial) if it interests you.
Second this - touch screens for on screen controls are nice until you start using them regularly and realize how awful it is to have no tactile feedback for anything you do. There's very little reason to spend $400 on one of these sorts of keyboard displays when a midi control surface can control almost everything you need in OBS or any professional audio/video application, with switches, dials, and sliders appropriate to each function. I bought a Korg Nanokontrol2 almost a decade ago now and it remains one of my go-to options when I need to have access to fine tune audio, video, scenes, etc in a way that my stream deck can't manage on its own.
@Tech Overkill I tweeted the same to him so hopefully he sees and decides it's worth featuring
@@NickCharles awesome. That Korg sounds like it's been an awesome purchase then.
@@NickCharles Yup, there's a few times I was doing a light gig in a bar where all the lights on the venue were controlled from a touch screen. There I was, tapping an effect off/on (because the light programming and amount of different "scenes" was pretty much subpar and no one "got time" to make more), eventually my finger drifted to a wrong point and the whole program went hiding. IIRC, I didn't actually kill the program, but the lack of tactile feedback was purely an awful experience. Though that was just a run of the mill night, so nothing to worry about.
When doing live light mixing, strobe flicking, anything manual, I really just focus to the sound and the dance floor and then do my thing, so a tactile feedback is a must. I know there is these knobs that can be placed on a touch screen, I don't know if they make sliders, but those should give an actual interface.
Coming up with ideas for content has got to be difficult and Jay has been killing it lately. So much variety and new to the channel videos lately. Loving it!
Not having F row : deal breaker. No tilting screen : deal breaker. Laggy touchscreen : deal breaker. $400 price tag : deal breaker.
400 gets me a tablet or small laptop. both solve all these issues!
so, redundant 'gadget' imho
Oh hey thenks
I might end up getting it .. if it's open source... I'd love it for simple mainframe and coding look ups
@@CyberBeep_kenshi what kinda utopia do you live in? 375 for a crappy laptop, 150 for a crappy tablet, 525 usd and all of those will stop working in 6 months
@@anonymous-hf6oo i said Or. you can buy simple laptops for 400, and a decent tablet for that amount. and then you have better performance, all the features, And they are fully functional devices as well. so i don't see Any reason to buy that gadget, just a waste of money
Not bad for it's price, usable in confined spaces that is for sure. Maybe an option for DEX, if you wanna do stuff stealthy.
Instead of having basically a mini touch-screen monitor on the keyboard, I think having a touch-screen STRIP where the Function keys would go that would dynamically change the virtual Function keys depending on what program is currently active.
Many people never utilize the Function keys in different programs because who can remember what F7 does in the dozens of programs someone uses. Having it actually say what the key does would help a lot more.
You could save/modify a setup file for each of the different programs you use to display/configure what each Function key does.
And... That's basically what the Touch Bar was, which Apple just killed because nobody uses it
@@renaudcalmont Sorry, don't use Apple. Too draconian of a company. Wish I could find a Touch Bar/Function key Touch screen for Windows computers. I would buy it.
Neither do I, just saying they already tried and failed despite a strong software-hardware integration effort, so I don't expect a hacky clone to be better. Something like the keyboard/stream deck hybrid from razer is more innovative in my opinion but probably has too few programmable keys
@@renaudcalmont the touch bar was honestly a fantastic idea, but it was just ahead of it's time, so it got hate
This seems really cool! …. at like $190 … Also it’s really unfortunate they didn’t figure out some kind of solution for the function keys. That plus moving Esc to where tilde belongs makes this not great for programmers or other non-creator use cases.
Just hold fn and press each number for f1 f2 etc…..
Escape looks like its one row down from where it normally is, replacing grave and the other pipe no one uses. Do you have a non-iso layout?
agreed
It would be cool as a set of gauges for a flight sim with a few controls too. FMC for example.
Definitely think there's value there for streaming and editing solutions in this product. I hope you or Phil puts it to good use and then we get a follow-up video on using it regularly.
400 dollars almost
The movement in the key stems is not a "gateron" thing. It is just that cheap OEM variant they made for that kind of product. Gateron makes mostly very high-end and purpose specific switches.
Yeah, plus he said they're wobbly because they dont have stabilization?? Cherry doesn't have "stabilization" on the housing of their switches either, whatever that means.
@@Abstand7 he’s been slacking in the learning new things thoroughly department.
This is brilliant for IT work. Many deployed devices do not have monitors. I also think using the window manager in PowerToys would allow for more interesting window layouts on the mini screen for general use.
I tried to use the power toys window manager to tile up my graphics tablet and main screen. we did not become friends. did it work out for you?
if they made it a full sized layout and had physical volume/media controls then I'd be down for this
I have to have fullsize too.
I love that jay is acknowledging the tech exhaustion
I could see this bring used as a meter screen to monitor temps and cpu usage and whatnot.
@JayzTwoCents I smell a fake profile...
yeaa totally, i like watching those numbers tick
If it actually worked when using those sliders, I could see some applications uses. But the fact it won’t respond efficiently, I give this a big NO. Half baked and not ready for prime time. 👎I also think the screen on the back should be able to tilt up. Then you can see it without straining.
The reason you had trouble with the sliders is probably due to your hand being rotated. Where you touch and where you think you are touching is slightly offset and touch screens compensate for that but they expect your hand to be facing up. That is why you had to touch slightly off to the side with your hand held at 90 degrees to the screen.
Looks like a pretty neat product. Can definitely see some uses for it. Less convenient than a second screen but takes less space and has touch capabilities.
Reminds me of those Asus laptops with a second screen in their touchpad.
I would be more interested in it if it was a full-sized keyboard, with function keys and numpad. This is definitely a concept I can get behind, though.
Honestly, if it's not a full size keyboard, then I expect it to be smaller all around...the whole or at least main point, of anything smaller than an 85% keyboard at minimum, is space saving, so if it doesn't save space, then it isn't living up to it's ideals, as removing numpads and F keys were never about increasing the size of the keyboard, in anything other than the laptop market segment, in my opinion...
That screen just doesn't fit the "be small and sleek" style I've come to expect from small keyboards. However though, I think it would work perfectly fine as a server monitor provided the server has the appropriate connections required to make it all work, and would probably work pretty acceptably for any usecase that Jay provided...
Yeah. People are talking about using it on a crash cart, but no F or numkeys? Lol
It might be really cool to pair with a 3d printer / raspberry pi setup? Have Kliper/Octoprint installed and do all your slicing right there at the printer... Maybe even if you had a print farm I could see a use there depending on how you set it all up would be kinda dope to see this integrated into a really nice custom Voron build / Ratrig as an integrated part of the printer build.
As a software developer who always has a terminal emulator open, this would be great for monitoring server or debug output or just keeping your tabs with terminal windows on or for chat channels when game streaming. A few small improvements and that could be seriously useful. Even more so if you add a few macro keys. You can use it for a Bitfocus Companion emulator, too.
I'm somewhat reminded of portable personal computers of the past. It's a formfactor I actually miss!
At this price I might want one... if it was a proper portable computer.
In addition to the streaming/editing tasks, I think this thing could be handy for the flight sim home cockpit crowd where space is at a premium. I wonder how well this thing might work with a Raspberry Pi as well...
Pop it open, see if there's any space, then use a few adapters to mount it internally. Boom, lil Pi PC with a wide touchscreen and full keyboard
@@MegaEmmanuel09 Neat idea!
Its pricey for what it is but i reckon it would come in quite handy for working with music production. Been able to throw a couple of vst windows down there to tweak on the fly or just the mixer channel to free up the main screen for arranging etc
you can buy a laptop for that price 😂 doesnt make sense
Nice to see a new product that isn't a complete waste of money
What about as a Gamepad for Wii U emulation on Cemu?
Put the screen on a hinge with a kickstand, add a numpad and take my F***ING MONEY
This would be VERY useful for troubleshooting headless servers. Also, I could see myself maybe replacing my sensor panel and keyboard with this one. But it's basically the same price and more likely to fail being a combo. I would want a lower price and change the angle of the screen.
I'd rather just have an old 19" flat monitor sitting there that everyone has laying around or can be bought for used for like $5 I've seen. Then a Logitech or similar wireless keyboard/trackpad. All you move is the keyboard etc
This looks like a screen made for a car, that just so happens to fit a 65% keyboard
Built in keyboard, built in screen add a hinge? My god this man has invented the laptop
As a disabled person with a computer wallmounted next to my bed, I can see an item like this being incredibly useful for moments when I want to use my computer but am not quite capable of sitting up to reach the keyboard/mouse tray. It would let me get an idea of what was on the screen if I couldn't see from my angle, let me respond to messages or type up a youtube comment or open a different program. I currently have a tablet pc that I use for my bad days but I've never quite been able to get it to connect with my main computer in a functional way, though I can stream programs installed on my main computer to it - there's just a massive latency issue.
10:45 - I think that was just a bit of like, parallax error from you trying to not get in the way of the shot. If you were centered and straight-on I think it would have been fine. I think the real missed opportunity here though is that it doesn't have VGA/HDMI/DP/DVI in - it'd make a great portable KVM
so strange seeing my background on another PC
Yeah claim what's not even yours.......
might as well get that Asus laptop with the second screen at that point XD
Can it operate alone on the road.
Does it have batteries.
Basically, would like an up-to-date TRS Model 100 like the one made by Kyocera for Radio Shack.
Still a good compact system for coding, texting, journaling...🙂👍
Quick tip for opening boxes with a knife and not damaging stuff inside. Pinch the blade about 1/8" from the tip and run the knife along the seam. It's a technique used by chefs on produce.
You can also place your index finger on the spine of the blade just short of the tip and use that as a stop.
Google Z88 and welcome to 1987.
Had one !
it shows a gun lol
@@TheHaydenAlexander You might have to use "Z88 computer", to get around the Google gunfixation relationship their trying to build in your search history.🤭
Neat concept and I can definitely see use cases for me using this, but $400 for essentially a non name brand is a no-go for me. Maybe if they stick around for a year and do firmware updates, work out hardware kinks etc, I'll consider it.
I agree with you 100%.....and it lacks with all the other software that can be obtained with an actual name brand standard computer for a tiny bit more money.
....they are still around...
After hearing that keyboard I realised how great it would be to see you build your own custom one. So many great options out there and it doesn't have to break the bank.
From one adhd to another, I appreciate you 😊
Thanx for the Lancool 207 review, i liked it then bought it. Works fantastic with new parts and looks amazing
that thing reminds me of the old trs-80 100, now i wish there was a version like this but its a computer in it and nut just a keyboard
I was exactly thinking that. Also for the first 5 minutes I didn't even realise that this is in fact not a computer on it's own, just a display with the keyboard.
Uh. A laptop?
@@johnkisaragi5920 what's a laptop?
Basically more screens in small footprints is better than monolithic ones. It's part of why I love having two iPads and an iPhone, as well as a travel monitor.
Conceptually I think that this is a great prototype for something much bigger more advanced bigger screen definitely keep the Hub features and I think it would be very interesting to see two or three computers connected where you can seamlessly jump from one machine to another active screen keyboard if you will.
But for 400, it should be a much better product on the upgrade aspect.
in material, space, and time to market, this company is spending around $60.00 to $100 per unit to manufacture so with all that extra cash happy I'm ritch bitch they should make a nice upgrade to this device. Thanks for the read!
Personally I don't see how you could develop this further. Right now it's a keyboard with a screen but the next step in my mind would just be a laptop. But maybe you have some out of the box idea in your head? 🤔I think you could already use this one with several PC's if you have the appropriate USB switch hub.
this is best for anyone needing to edit stuff on the go like a music producer mixing his masterpiece. theyre always looking for different/ novel forms of input
I love weird crap like this. Thanks for sharing/reviewing. :)
You could control the brightness on that triple monitor setup as well, Jay. You just have to plug in both of the USB plugs for power, otherwise it reverts to a default brightness setting that is low power. The refresh rate is also effected by this. Edit: Also, for the touch screen, you probably need to calibrate that for the touch to work properly. Something else you can do is instead of trying to drag the sliders in OBS, is just click in the slider field where you want it to go and it'll jump the slider to that position.
This is a beautiful form factor so it is not surprising it sells. Originally seen in laptop computers of the 1980s, such as the Epson HX-20, Epson PX-4, Epson PX-8, and the Husky Hunter series of computers. When you were showing the graphic of the product on the box, I could have sworn I was looking at a Husky Hunter!
A flip-up screen like you describe was seen on the Epson PX-8 and the Olivetti M10.
The glaring omission in this product is the inclusion of a computer inside the enclosure, which would cost next to nothing and improve the functionality, and USP of this product. Such an idiotic omission makes this product practically useless, with the only exception of reviving the form factor. Hopefully other manufacturers will take notice and fill this deficiency.
You are not wrong. You just described a cyberdeck.
Mount an SoC and power in the chassis, and youre set. You can do this today if you velcro / duct-tape a Raspberry Pi and USB battery to this device.
It even has Ethernet ports and wifi antennas for network access. You just built a cyberdeck.
Jay, if you are looking for another gimmicky but life changing product, check out the Lapboards.
I saw Linus use a Corsair K63 Lapboard in many of his older from home videos and finally found one myself.
I tried it out and have never gone back to normal sitting at the desk gaming since. I got a comfy gaming seat that lets me sit a few feet away from my setup. If you have a big enough screen, you can even use a couch.
I ripped off one if those keyboard trays off ab office desk for this.
Now that is an idea. We have service technicians that regularly have to carry a monitor and keyboard to service field equipment/servers. We have used every type of mobile/folding monitor set up over the years, this looks like it has potential!
1:27 I know no matter how much you have or will make using 400bucks hurt, I felt that😭😂😂
I wish it was just the screen, no keyboard. for my desk I would like a smaller, wide screen like that for certain things. I know I can get the screens off aliexpress, etc, but they normally have the ports exiting off the side and not the back. For a desk, I feel like going out the top or back is better.
My use case would be under my existing monitor angled up towards me with some "stats" on it, or maybe even some of my chats.
Looks like a Waveshare screen
Maybe you can get some L shape cables
Im currently building something simular with raspberry pie, only the screen is smaller and located in the center of the keyboard (I had to get a split one for that).
Tried to search for simular products but didn't find anything, so this video was a lucky find!
Product is nice, very good looking
Pls post it on r/cyberdeck
Thank you for showing me this sub! I will, but it's not ready yet.
Funny how I also call it "deck" in my head because of the Neuromancer novel (I call it "decka" in my native language because of the translation)
So how much malware, key logging, and nefarious software is running on it phoning home sending all your private info and keystrokes to China?
could be cool for controlling sliders in a DAW for music.
Took you 7:17 to finally get to it. Why complain about the design before you actually use it?
If they could get the touch screen aspect and maybe the resolution better this would work very well as a control surface both for video and streaming like you showed, but also audio production. Plug it in to use as a control surface for an Apollo interface or something. Be able to control all the faders right there next to your keyboard without having another touch screen or an extremely expensive control surface or console.
Touchscreen FL Studio... Ill never go back. Started at V. 3.0, a laptop with the lil nubbin joystick. Mouse equally frustrating (no dpi). Unimaginable workflow now, a MASSIVE barrier lifted. 10 out of 10.
appreciate 4K (and your videos) so much, thankyou sir
When you said "nothing says quality like a brown box", I immediately subscribed to your channel. 🤣🤣🤣
A thing missing from your keyboard screen streaming set-up... A window to monitor chat with. That is essential for streaming.
Running this with a DAW and putting your mixer channel on this would be SICK for music production
I have seen your videos before, but that intro earned my sub. lol.
For reference the TRS-80 Model 100. There were a lot of people still using these long after they were current, due to the flat form factor. Literally knew it would be a 'better than I expected' video just from the thumbnail due to the flat screen included form factor.
I'd use that in the shop, it would be great for making boot drives, data recovery/transfer, hardware troubleshooting, maybe add some oscilloscope applications to it....
companies should make dedicated touch displays with this similar aspect ratio that are around the same size as full keyboards for control surfaces or for other types of media development. Being able to put one in your lap or carry in your arms like a tablet would be so handy and gimmicky I'd absolutely love it.
Does anyone make small separate monitors like that just to prop up on your desk above your keyboard cause I desperately want my obs like that but don't want a third full size monitor or this keyboard
OH MY GODS JAY I hope I'm never in the same room as you holding a knife! My spine is tingling after that unboxing!