@@yuan.pingchen3056if you’ve seen the Core Ultra and other 9000 series chips then you’ll notice his stands up in most/all of them, it’s just a joke after seeing him now lying down
AMD marketing is weird. They have a habit of cherrypicking and overpromising when they have an underwhelming product but sandbagging when the product is actually good.
@@Luke-pp2lw people did that AMD said they would get a 15% performance uplift But 5% of it was IPC The rest was clock speed Everyone else ran with the 5% number for whatever reason AMD hit over the 15% mark, as they got even higher clocks then expected Idk why people ran with the 5% And idk how everyone thought the 9800x3D was gonna be disappointing The 9700x sipped power Giving it more cache and a bit more power, obviously it’s gonna jump a ton
One major take away from this video that I haven't seen mentioned... The 7800x3D is still comfortably in second place for gaming, but has the lowest power consumption of all the CPUs tested. An absolute monster at only 60-70w!
@@bubsy3861yes of course no one is saying 9800x3d is bad. Just that the 7800x3d is a monster in efficiency and soon will be a monster in cost per frame as well when the price will go down
@@bubsy3861 That would be interesting to know, how much increase will be in performance, whilst having the same consumption. Personally, I am not impressed with the increased wattage. From these tests only, I would go with the 7800X3D. The 9800X3D is consuming too much power.
@@dakgsz yeah and who encourages these scientists to make these stuff? who chose the scientists/HR department that chose these scientists? A manager makes or breaks ANY company.
continuing the sitting/standing bit is actually such an interesting way of instantly giving people a summary of your opinion. great to finally see you relax on a couch.
I did look the same! The frame consistance is incredible with 9800x3d… And if AMD manage to improve IO die for the next gen… It will be low framerate monster!
its a good cpu if youre on an older one looking for upgrades, youd probably need an 4090 or 4080 to even tell difference between 7800 3d and 9800 3d, so ill stick with my 7800x 3d better value
@GhostonUA-cam201x I agree. If you're coming from AM4, anything Intel, or even from a non X3D Ryzen CPU, given that the 7800X3D is very similar in price right now to the 9800X3D, I'd just go for the newer CPU. That being said, if you already have a 7800X3D or 7950X3D, I'd obviously stay with what you have for now, because it's not worth buying another CPU just for around 11% more performance unless you're an avid e-sports player, you play competitively, and you have a high-end GPU.
AMD now +35% while consuming 35% less. That is the biggest blowout I've ever seen. Even bigger that Intel vs Bulldozer 10+ years ago. You have to be insane to even consider Intel at this point FR
Just look User benchmark that makes intel much better that this! 😂😂😂 Not going there, because I want it to drop out of lists… But we can be sure that Intel is the ”top” choise to all PC users! 😂
15:45 This is like poetry at this point. One shall rise. One shall fall. Both are these competitors's latest products. One at the top. One at the bottom.
This is it, I'm SWITCHING from Intel to AMD. 10900K to 9800X3D EDIT: I was on Intel for 15 years, I have no problems buying something that is objectively better. I wish Intel good luck and I hope they will get back where they once were.
Actually amd must have +100% over Intel now, because it's a fresh release, but also -50% because am5 isn't new, and also - 70% because it ran on an older motherboards, so yes, Intel wins again 🤷♂️ @andersjjensen
Other than the improvement in average fps, it’s crazy how the 1% lows can sometimes be faster than the average fps of the other CPUs. No wonder why he’s sitting down with this upload.
That's what I thought as well. And this is a proof that all those "we reached the physical limit of computation" doomers were wrong. There are still areas where cpu power is improving rapidly, and V-cache is certainly one of them
5800X3D is still nicely sitting in the group of CPUs that is below AM5 X3D CPUs. Meaning that it's just a tad slower than CPUs like 7700x. So unless you play at 1080p using an RTX 4090 the 5800X3D or 5700X3D will still last for many, many years with regards to gaming.
Sooo Intel would have to deliver a 33%+ performance uplift over their last flagship cpu to equal out AMD's lead? It's actually insane how far behind Intel is now.
Yeah, and even if you need the extra multicore performance, just wait for the 9950X3D. It's gonna be about the same in gaming as the 9800X3D, faster than Intel in multicore, much more efficient and maybe also cheaper.
They messed up the I/O die so badly at Intel that Arrow Lake is losing to Lunar Lake in GeekBench single core which was supposed to be it's ultra low powered little brother with less cache.
Only in gaming. The 285k's raw power is brutal. Current games take advantage of hyper threading, here amd has the advantage. At work, 9800x3d doesn't even come close to 285k.
@@istvant.4778 well obviously not, because X3D are mainly gaming CPUs and you're comparing it to a much more expensive CPU with overall 3 times the core count (ik it's 8 pC + 16 eC but still). The 285k should be compared to the 9950X. They trade blows and are pretty close to eachother. But even then, I'd say the 9950X seems to be more efficient and an overall more versatile option, having much better gaming performance.
Steve isn't standing up. Poggers 😳 Edit: The 1% low gains are more impressive in some titles than the overall gain is. I'm assuming that's PART of why it's average is higher. Second Edit: I'm waiting for the 9950X3D & this makes me hella excited for it.
That's not quite accurate. Those issues have been fixed. The microcode wasn't even necessary, but it helps the noobs. 13 and 14 gen chips are some of the best deals to be had right now. You can find open box deals on those for cheap. I snagged a 13700k for $230 with a 5-year warranty. AMD didn't have anything that could compete with that in the price range.
I upgraded from x299 to z690 for mostly ddr5 and pci ex 5.0 support when I saw gaming benchmarks on intel 285k I knew no way in hell I was upgrading from 14900k I will wait for nova lake in 2026 but intel better come correct or I might switch to amd
Man... Sitting here with my 13700kf (not shown, but basically the 12900k) looking at the gaming results. This is insane! It's hitting 1% lows at the same level the 12900 is hitting peak. And at ½ the power draw.
@@Hugobcs What "other people" the only review I know is Romans where he tested 2 games at 1440p and 4K, did you also watch what the 1 % lows were? The 285K was also demolished.
Steve is not reclining on a sofa as many are saying. He is actually standing and the sofa has been set up vertically standing against his back. The video editor then rotated the video by 90 degrees to make it look like he was recling.
M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!!! Wow, this thing rips. Also, gotta respect the chill-mode, reclining Steve. Glad to see there's at least one VERY good upgrade path from my 7700X in a couple years. AM5 FTW
Can you imagine how stupid you must be feeling right now if you bought a 13th or 14th gen? Having to live though the chips destroying themselves, high temps/wattage, and being stuck on an end of life motherboard - when you could have purchased a zen 4 processor and drop in this monster all the while using cheaper 6000mhz ram. AND STILL have support for what comes next from AMD. Wow, I’d be pissed.
It is mostly prebuild buyers anyway. Most gaming on single sticks of ram with a 3060 or something. They'll just buy a 285k system this xmas... The main reason intel can set these insane msrp prices.
Haha. Not really feeling stupid out here. It's not like this was something to have been anticipated. So bum luck doesn't really land on the conscience the same as poor decision-making - Is what I think. Not to mention that a lot of the global non-western market buyers also have to weigh in variables not really dwelled upon too much by others elsewhere. Now you could call all of this a cope.. But honestly, I don't really think about it all that much day to day. But devastating circumstances or not, I'd still have a tough time swallowing the fact that I have to buy team red at a premium price, Settle for of them "Tray" variant processors, Have my expected warranty substituted by a random 3-10 months "trust me bro" guarantee, On top of having lesser SKU/Variants of in-stock ram and motherboard choices to choose between. .... I'll take that exploding processor now Mr.shopkeeper. Just stamp that paper that certifies that I've got that "official" 5 year claim.
Imagine the Epyc X3D, that must be really scary for Intel as professional workloads definetly can use the gigabyte(sic! xD) of extra fast cache. And the market here doesn't end in hundreds of usd.
@@makifrableEPYC is absolutely killing it in the workstation and data center nowadays. AMD under Lisa Su is a powerhouse in the CPU realm. Now if only they could compete in the GPU realm haha
the AMD64 era and AMD Opteron in servers was something like that back in the day, but now there is much more access to information by the general public
7800X3d is still the efficiency king, but we definitely have a new gaming champion. Also, shots fired at Jayz2cents on the memory tuning comment. He's been shilling pretty hard for Intel all year and it shows.
@@markh4750 Yeah in which he also indicated strongly that the 9800x3d would absolutely smash everything. If he's shilling for Intel he's absolutely terrible at it.
I think it's gotta be Jufus maybe Jayz to but Jufus literally just released a video about how tuning it would be like 30% increase... and I'm over hear gaslighting myself into thinking in bad at math cus his %'s are just not right like way off 2x sometimes.
Bro is not even sitting down, he's LAYING down. Reclined even! I've yet to watch the entire video but knowing what I know from previous unboxings, this promises oh so much good!
The roles really have flipped from 10 years ago, Ryzen (X3D) is so utterly dominant that it's the only sensible option for gaming, both high and mid range if we get a 9600X3D too.
Kinda. If you bought 3770K, you had no real reason to upgrade until around 9900. So this was a 6 generations of stagnation. Or rather, on average 5% improvement.
@@chriswright8074 Not everyone has 500€ laying around, a 9600X3D for 320€ not terrible idea, plus most games are totally fine with 6c/12t, so it should get close to 7800X3D, which is decent jump over 9600X and 9700X.
I don't think so, I know upscaling is fundamental but this a probably a bad match for a 4070 Super or below if you dont play e-sports or a lot of CPU-intensive games.
@@samgragas8467 I don't think people willing to drop almost 500 dollars on a cpu will pair it with anything lower than a 4070ti super/ 7900 xt. If they do they'll most likely do it because they want to play e-sport titles at very high refresh rates as you mentioned.
Steve standing up: Product bad Steve sitting down: Product fairly good Steve relaxing on a couch: Product SUPER good. If a review starts with Steve laying in a casket, it's a day 1 purchase.
the ''... game average'' slide is always one of the most important slides for gaming (outside the price/value slides of course). Same goes for the AMD/INTEL CPU vs AMD/INTEL CPU ''... game percentage difference'' slides. So happy you have been showing those for a long time now
They won't. 🤷 This X3D generation is getting such unusually massive gains (in raw compute/productivity performance especially) because it's fixing major fundamental problems with BOTH the Zen 5 cores themselves (at least on desktop bc not enough intra-package bandwidth between the CCD's & I/O die to keep the cores fed, which +3x L3 cache HEAVILY alleviates) AND the 3D V Cache technology itself (fixing almost all of its thermal & clock-speed problems by changing the layout/stack order). Zen 3 X3D (R7 5800X3D) → Zen 4 X3D (R7 7800X3D) is the kind of uplift you should expect on normal new X3D generation occasions. 🤷 Aka pretty similar in gaming performance uplift, but with a MUUUUUUCH smaller productivity perf improvement.
Zen 6 will likely be a much bigger uplift over Zen 5 than Zen 5 was over Zen 4. I say that based on the guess that they will be moving to using the significantly more advanced 3nm process node for the main compute chiplet, and also because I am expecting them to introduce a new re-designed I/O chiplet, but I don't presume to know that for sure.
The Steve Standing to Steve laying down scale is real! I'm excited for what comes next! Steve in a hammock with a margarita? Provided of course, that a product that produces better results comes in the near future.
Yeah, well it's not like i need to at the moment, but it is nice to have this option should i want to, if i can't wait for am6😆 and then sell my am4 bundle.
Thats why the new 9800x3d is so good. Gaming improvement is only moderate but it's while eliminating x3d downsides so you're getting like +25% productivity performance
@@Frozoken ipc is good if you think zen5/3d its faster in most single thread application despite lower clock... 5.8 ghz for intel if im not wrong while 5.2 ghz for 9800x3d and apart for cinebench where i think with same clock speed on single thread score they ll be on par which for me show that in the lastest versions of cinebench, the score it's looking too much at avx performance.... that why in other single thread application last intel gen didn't show the same lvl of performance
Thank you for having the DDR Memory Scaling tests. All other reviews used 6000MT/s ram and you guys are the only ones to have those charts with different ram speeds and latencies . Seems like its within marjin of error and they dont matter on this platform/CPU. 👍
So happy I went with AMD for the first time ever on the CPU side of things with the 7800X3D. Having been an Intel guy my while life I'm not ever looking back at this stage.
Your test system specs were with high-end memory too, and X3D makes chips less reliant on memory performance, so hypothetically with more typical memory the margins could be higher. This is a crazy good chip especially for being so power efficient.
let's be real ddr5 6000 isn't high end anymore come on now. I build pcs for mostly old people for work and when going for ryzen I pick 6000 cl30 because its only like $10 more than low end ddr5 anyway
🤦... Except that OG Coffee Lake (8th Gen) wasn't NEARLY this far ahead of Zen 1 (Ryzen 1000) in terms of gaming performance! It was "merely" like ≈+5-20% ahead, NOT ≈+25-50% like Zen 5 X3D somehow is over Arrow Lake!!! 😳🤯 (Not to mention that Zen+/Ryzen 2000 would quickly shrink that gaming perf gap vs Coffee Lake to
Zen 1 was never this far behind Intel. Bulldozer and Piledriver were never this far behind Intel. In fact, the last time the disparity was this large was.... how far Pentium 4 was behind Athlon 64.
Zen6 has been long rumored to change the packaging and interconnect between chiplets. For Zen5 team focused on the core, and for Zen6 on the interconnection and packaging. Each leapfrogging team fixed different parts of the architecture. And it would have been complete waste of resources for Zen5 team to do anything on IO-die before complete overhaul in that area.
Except they reworked it for Zen 5 Epyc... where the gains over Zen 4 are much more impressive. This means they have the IP blocks for a much better DDR5 memory controller already. Which means AMD could do a "Zen 5+" launch if they decided to put a rush on it... or if Zen 6 is facing delays.
@@andersjjensen They did the work for a specific chip that pays a lot more, that previously supported only DDR5 4800 officially in a market where stability matters a lot, and with interconnect that limited the bandwidth because it had 12 channels. And they increased the number of chiplets they could use from 12 to 16 on a socket that could fit all those. Oh. And they made good efficiency improvement by a simple changes in manufacturing that would have increased the cost of desktop CPU:s by over 33%. The chiplet design would be stupid if they would use the same process for IO-die as for cores. Turin uses better process for cores and for the IO-die it uses same process as desktop CPU uses for cores.
Makes you wonder just how much more uplift we would see from an updated I/O die with a non-bottlenecking memory controller on this generation. Over the 9700X is crazy by itself.
They are well and truly beaten, full stop. The very few instances where the 285K beats the 9950X in productivity the margins are so slim you'd have to be stupid to pay the extra price, the extra RAM cost to get there, and the extra electricity to be there. And given how the 9800X3D was a surprising leap in productivity too..... the 9950X3D is going to be the final word in the eulogy.
BTW for context, in the thumbnail the thumbs up is for the 9800X3D not sucking, not the R.I.P. Intel bit :(
Na you knew what you were doing
What about fortnite perfomance? Any difference compared with predecessors?
Error in first cinebench slide? 9800X3D isn't 7% faster than 9700X here, more like 15%.
7:20 so then Threadripper 9,000 would be faster since it has a newer i/o die from the server side? not to mention a higher bandwidth to use.
RIP intel, isn't it a bit too harsh?
He is not just sitting he is sitting comfortably
😝
I'm five seconds in and he's just chilling, figured it has to be good.
after months and months of subpar products, he's can finally rest!
That moment when audience memes a meme into reality. And creator goes all in on it.
The meme continues.
Hold up, Steve is RELAXIN ON A SOFA??? This gon be GOOD!
it's windows problem @@SUSeARC
It is said that his knee was injured. Isn't it natural to sit down?
Man the last few products have been so bad they injured his knee from standing to much. Glad he gets to relax with a good release 😅😅😅
@@yuan.pingchen3056if you’ve seen the Core Ultra and other 9000 series chips then you’ll notice his stands up in most/all of them, it’s just a joke after seeing him now lying down
Intel is doomed
Review tiers:
Steve standing: meh product
Steve Sitting beside table: Ok product
Steve on couch: great product
Steve hanging upside down with an inversion table: gtx1080ti/5800x3d tier
Steve in bed with a cup of cocoa: God Tier product.
Steve standing with his hair and beard shaved: calling this product a waste of sand would be a huge compliment.
Steve with sunglases out in sun
Mic drop product
AMD marketing is weird. They have a habit of cherrypicking and overpromising when they have an underwhelming product but sandbagging when the product is actually good.
True. AMD hid the results of the RX 6XX0, pretending that they weaker than they actually is.
Act strong when you are weak, act weak when you are strong - Tsun Tzu
@hl321662 "Face to foot style. How you like it?"
Yeah, they did the same hing in their initial Zen 4 announcement, when they said it would have a 5% IPC improvement and 5ghz+ clock speeds
@@Luke-pp2lw people did that
AMD said they would get a 15% performance uplift
But 5% of it was IPC
The rest was clock speed
Everyone else ran with the 5% number for whatever reason
AMD hit over the 15% mark, as they got even higher clocks then expected
Idk why people ran with the 5%
And idk how everyone thought the 9800x3D was gonna be disappointing
The 9700x sipped power
Giving it more cache and a bit more power, obviously it’s gonna jump a ton
Love how he's leaned into the posture = product quality thing
Pun definitely intended
standing is bad, sitting is good and lounging is great
@@euphoria842 Imagine what he'd need to do if he got a god tier part in... He'd need to post the review on onlyfans
@@euphoria842 If he gets a product that's god tier, he'll have to post the review on onlyfans
@@euphoria842 I wonder how amazing the product would have to be for him to do the whole review in a handstand?
For newcomers:
Steve sitting normally = nothing to write home about
Steve almost horizontal = just buy whatever he is reviewing
Steve standing = Run
Holy crap, Steve is *_lounging_* ? This must be really good.
I love how this meme became a thing. Great job people!
He knew what he was doing lmao
@@EvernooBE lol! Our head cannon has become lore!!
New Tier unlocked..
Never saw a horizontal steve in my life
I'm still waiting for the upside-down and hovering steve.
Monitor Steve during the coof was the 16:9 kind of horizontal
tim working feet.
@@hyperturbotechnomike I want to see both Steve and Tim in monitor form! :D
One major take away from this video that I haven't seen mentioned... The 7800x3D is still comfortably in second place for gaming, but has the lowest power consumption of all the CPUs tested. An absolute monster at only 60-70w!
You can limit 9800x3d for same or even better results if you want.
@@bubsy3861yes of course no one is saying 9800x3d is bad. Just that the 7800x3d is a monster in efficiency and soon will be a monster in cost per frame as well when the price will go down
@@lucazani2730that’s what I gathered from this video… find the 7800X3D when its price drops and buy that instead!
@@bubsy3861 That would be interesting to know, how much increase will be in performance, whilst having the same consumption. Personally, I am not impressed with the increased wattage. From these tests only, I would go with the 7800X3D. The 9800X3D is consuming too much power.
@@tomgillottisadly I don't think we'll see the 7800X3D at those lower prices anymore. At least not with enough stock
Not just sitting, he's horizontal!
Lookig forward to seeing what this can do in your testing.
@passeeo3631 me too, should be very interesting for SC!
Naaah
More like diagonal
😱
hes doing reverse plank
Lisa Su wrote her name with golden letters into AMD history
That woman did wonder to AMD, God
Lisa Su is a manager. True history names should be scientists who created these CPU!
@@dakgsz yeah and who encourages these scientists to make these stuff? who chose the scientists/HR department that chose these scientists?
A manager makes or breaks ANY company.
@@kaiserfakinaway5909 Managers of companies' managers are presidents. Donald Trump is a history name of CPU.
Mama Su should be elevated to Goddess Su.
You and Gamer's Nexus both called your videos rip Intel. Thanks Steves.
“Thanks, Steve”
clearly the steve consortium met last night
Because that is true.
Thanks Steves
A convergence event it seems...might call it Stevergence!!
continuing the sitting/standing bit is actually such an interesting way of instantly giving people a summary of your opinion.
great to finally see you relax on a couch.
It's possibly the most clever and funny meme the community has made!
I began laughing so hard when I saw him laying down 🤣🤣🤣
I almost fell off my chair at 0:06 thinking I tuned into some therapy session. As far as this channel's lore goes ... I see what you did there. ☺
HE IS SITTING DOWN. I REPEAT, HE IS SITTING DOWN. THIS IS NOT A DRILL
Practically laying down
Steve isn't JUST sitting down, he is lying down in a relaxed position!!!!!
Looking deeply into your eyes, into your soul even
😅😂
First thing I thought too 😂
Whoever runs Userbenchmark is having a heart attack right now :)
They'll need a bigger dose of copium this time
They will find out that 285k is 200% better than 9800x3d! Just wait!
😂
@@fajaradi1223 '285k is way faster to say and write than 9800X3D, therefore Intel win!'
they already r on drugs anyways
They'll still find a way to claim that the 9800x3d is actually trash and only performs like that in "amd sponsored channels"
He's not just sitting down he's relaxing on the sofa!!! So fkn happy this is good, can't wait to upgrade from my 5800x3D once the 5000 series is out.
11:34 The 1% lows of the 9800X3D literally match the 7800X3D's average frame rate. Holy crap, that's impressive!
I did look the same! The frame consistance is incredible with 9800x3d… And if AMD manage to improve IO die for the next gen… It will be low framerate monster!
@@haukikannelThere's also a problem with the 14900K there because it can't have similar or worse 1% lows than the 12900K in Jedi Survivor.
I saw that, too. 😂 I was like, "Bruh."
its a good cpu if youre on an older one looking for upgrades, youd probably need an 4090 or 4080 to even tell difference between 7800 3d and 9800 3d, so ill stick with my 7800x 3d better value
@GhostonUA-cam201x I agree. If you're coming from AM4, anything Intel, or even from a non X3D Ryzen CPU, given that the 7800X3D is very similar in price right now to the 9800X3D, I'd just go for the newer CPU. That being said, if you already have a 7800X3D or 7950X3D, I'd obviously stay with what you have for now, because it's not worth buying another CPU just for around 11% more performance unless you're an avid e-sports player, you play competitively, and you have a high-end GPU.
AMD now +35% while consuming 35% less. That is the biggest blowout I've ever seen. Even bigger that Intel vs Bulldozer 10+ years ago. You have to be insane to even consider Intel at this point FR
Now you get why i called Meteor Lake Intel's Bulldozer Lake and Arrow Lake as Piledriver Lake.
Just look User benchmark that makes intel much better that this!
😂😂😂
Not going there, because I want it to drop out of lists… But we can be sure that Intel is the ”top” choise to all PC users!
😂
Gaming context definitely, but everything else not so much, that's besides the fact many people still want an igpu incase their gpu fails
Yup Userbenchmark is still intel bias
... in gaming...
15:45 This is like poetry at this point. One shall rise. One shall fall. Both are these competitors's latest products. One at the top. One at the bottom.
This is it, I'm SWITCHING from Intel to AMD. 10900K to 9800X3D
EDIT: I was on Intel for 15 years, I have no problems buying something that is objectively better. I wish Intel good luck and I hope they will get back where they once were.
Same! I am planning to do that
Welcome!!
Why not wait for the 9950x3d? There might be vcache on both ccds this time, given that even productivity performance is boosted by the extra cache.
10900K great CPU for video editing, it is really snappy and has low latency, you will get good money for that on the used market.
@@mingyi456thats a workstation cpu, itll probably do worse in gaming then the 98, though better in cinebench and shot like that
User benchmark punching the air right now.
Punching the air is a sign of triumph, i think you meant walls not air. Although .. given their delusional state, maybe...
They just reel another line hallucinogenic whatever and convince themselves that lower is better when it comes to FPS.
They will be first in line waiting like peasants 😂!
@@andersjjensen Its like golf right?
Actually amd must have +100% over Intel now, because it's a fresh release, but also -50% because am5 isn't new, and also - 70% because it ran on an older motherboards, so yes, Intel wins again 🤷♂️ @andersjjensen
The self-aware visual gag of lounging on a sofa really paid off. Thanks, Steve!
The day Steve is just floating menacingly in the air while he gives his verdict is the day a company stock craters, never to recover.
Not only is Steve not standing, he's actually reclining!!
Lounging even...
Other than the improvement in average fps, it’s crazy how the 1% lows can sometimes be faster than the average fps of the other CPUs. No wonder why he’s sitting down with this upload.
That's what I thought as well. And this is a proof that all those "we reached the physical limit of computation" doomers were wrong. There are still areas where cpu power is improving rapidly, and V-cache is certainly one of them
There's weird stuff on the video as well. There's no way that a 14900K has basically the same 1% lows as the 12900K in Jedi Survivor.
Thanks for the deep dive. I haven't found any other reviewer talk about RAM speeds so thank you.
19:37 In the 14 game average, the 1% LOWS of the 9800X3D equal the AVERAGE of the 5800X3D!!!
Update a must now
5800X3D is still nicely sitting in the group of CPUs that is below AM5 X3D CPUs. Meaning that it's just a tad slower than CPUs like 7700x. So unless you play at 1080p using an RTX 4090 the 5800X3D or 5700X3D will still last for many, many years with regards to gaming.
Okay? Are you going to compare it to CPUs from 2005 next?
@@ThisIsMeArnold 5800X3D is from summer 2022...
@@ThisIsMeArnold The 5800X3D is still swinging in a number of these games compared to some of the current chips
Sooo Intel would have to deliver a 33%+ performance uplift over their last flagship cpu to equal out AMD's lead? It's actually insane how far behind Intel is now.
Or just charge less for their chips. Since most of the gaming performance from these x3d chips is overkill for most people anyway.
@@DingleBerryschnappsthey're already struggling financially, do you think they have the liberty to lower their prices
And at least 30% less power comsumption at same task 😅
And thats only perf, what about efficiency lol
Yeah, and even if you need the extra multicore performance, just wait for the 9950X3D. It's gonna be about the same in gaming as the 9800X3D, faster than Intel in multicore, much more efficient and maybe also cheaper.
Excellent video, thank you! Ordered mine this morning as the last piece of the puzzle for my new build. Upgrading from an i7-7700k; super excited!
75% faster than 285k while 25% cheaper is crazy
We don't even need to see the power consumption
@@fajaradi1223 lol yeah, kinda funny amd with 4nm able to beat the efficiency of intel's more expensive 3nm arrow lake
They messed up the I/O die so badly at Intel that Arrow Lake is losing to Lunar Lake in GeekBench single core which was supposed to be it's ultra low powered little brother with less cache.
Only in gaming. The 285k's raw power is brutal. Current games take advantage of hyper threading, here amd has the advantage. At work, 9800x3d doesn't even come close to 285k.
@@istvant.4778 well obviously not, because X3D are mainly gaming CPUs and you're comparing it to a much more expensive CPU with overall 3 times the core count (ik it's 8 pC + 16 eC but still).
The 285k should be compared to the 9950X. They trade blows and are pretty close to eachother. But even then, I'd say the 9950X seems to be more efficient and an overall more versatile option, having much better gaming performance.
Not sitting down, Steve’s practically laying down.. My upgrade confirmed…
Thank you so much Steve & the crew behind scene for the nice Ryzen 7 9800X3D review and all the hard work you put in to your benchmarks! 💯👌
Can't wait to read Userbenchmark's write-up on this one 🤣
Busermenchark
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I hope they get sued so bad that anyone who has anything to do with that scamming website spends the rest of their life making payments to AMD.
14700k gaming: 130%, 9800x3d gaming:122%, lol this is beyond being biased...
@@gorkemefeozkok8967 did you see it? or you were kidding?
Product so good Steve had to sit this one down 😮👏🏻
Steve isn't standing up. Poggers 😳
Edit: The 1% low gains are more impressive in some titles than the overall gain is. I'm assuming that's PART of why it's average is higher.
Second Edit: I'm waiting for the 9950X3D & this makes me hella excited for it.
Intel gives you 2 options: 1.) Take a chance on the 13th and 14th gen defective CPU's 2.) Buy the new CPUs that are a step backward.
At this point, Intel only gives you one option: switch to AMD.
That's not quite accurate.
Those issues have been fixed. The microcode wasn't even necessary, but it helps the noobs.
13 and 14 gen chips are some of the best deals to be had right now. You can find open box deals on those for cheap. I snagged a 13700k for $230 with a 5-year warranty. AMD didn't have anything that could compete with that in the price range.
@@DingleBerryschnappsthe microcode was absolutely necessary because even server chips were failing despite running with less power.
STONKS not
I upgraded from x299 to z690 for mostly ddr5 and pci ex 5.0 support when I saw gaming benchmarks on intel 285k I knew no way in hell I was upgrading from 14900k I will wait for nova lake in 2026 but intel better come correct or I might switch to amd
Man... Sitting here with my 13700kf (not shown, but basically the 12900k) looking at the gaming results. This is insane! It's hitting 1% lows at the same level the 12900 is hitting peak. And at ½ the power draw.
@@Hugobcs why? increasing resolution puts more pressure on the GPU, so why would a intel cpu close the gap and surpass an amd cpu?
@@Hugobcs You really need to educate yourself on CPU and GPU bottlenecks.
@@Hugobcs Baghdad Bob...Ok
@@Hugobcs What "other people" the only review I know is Romans where he tested 2 games at 1440p and 4K, did you also watch what the 1 % lows were? The 285K was also demolished.
Congrats on 1mil subs. Just noticed today.
If Steve is laying down, you know it’s good
If this continues, the 9950X3D is going to murder everything :O
I imagine for games the inter ccd latency will still make it slightly worse than the 9800x3d
nah. the CCD setup would be the same as the 7950x3d so no.
Being almost guaranteed to surpass the 9950X in production, it’s going to be AMD’s premier chip for those that want to have the undisputed “best”
@@wh3resmycar May not be. 9950X3D is rumoured to have dual CCD, so it may mitigate much of the issues associated with Core Parking.
Steve probably would be laying down on clouds if that product is that good
Great video. Would love to see a video that shows the 9800x3d running all the different gpus'. Love your content gents.
Steve is not reclining on a sofa as many are saying. He is actually standing and the sofa has been set up vertically standing against his back. The video editor then rotated the video by 90 degrees to make it look like he was recling.
Userbenchmark guy be like:
Steve is super relax on his couch… instant buying this cpu
Nice review and love seeing you rep the grey knights mate! 👌
M-M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!!! Wow, this thing rips. Also, gotta respect the chill-mode, reclining Steve. Glad to see there's at least one VERY good upgrade path from my 7700X in a couple years. AM5 FTW
Wicked Sick!
Zen 6 also gonna be on am5 so its insane.
Can not believe we finally get a cpu worth talking about...
Can you imagine how stupid you must be feeling right now if you bought a 13th or 14th gen? Having to live though the chips destroying themselves, high temps/wattage, and being stuck on an end of life motherboard - when you could have purchased a zen 4 processor and drop in this monster all the while using cheaper 6000mhz ram. AND STILL have support for what comes next from AMD.
Wow, I’d be pissed.
It is mostly prebuild buyers anyway. Most gaming on single sticks of ram with a 3060 or something. They'll just buy a 285k system this xmas...
The main reason intel can set these insane msrp prices.
Haha. Not really feeling stupid out here. It's not like this was something to have been anticipated. So bum luck doesn't really land on the conscience the same as poor decision-making - Is what I think.
Not to mention that a lot of the global non-western market buyers also have to weigh in variables not really dwelled upon too much by others elsewhere.
Now you could call all of this a cope..
But honestly, I don't really think about it all that much day to day.
But devastating circumstances or not,
I'd still have a tough time swallowing the fact that I have to buy team red at a premium price, Settle for of them "Tray" variant processors, Have my expected warranty substituted by a random 3-10 months "trust me bro" guarantee, On top of having lesser SKU/Variants of in-stock ram and motherboard choices to choose between.
.... I'll take that exploding processor now Mr.shopkeeper. Just stamp that paper that certifies that I've got that "official" 5 year claim.
This CPU is scarier for Intel than the entirety of Halloween
Imagine the Epyc X3D, that must be really scary for Intel as professional workloads definetly can use the gigabyte(sic! xD) of extra fast cache. And the market here doesn't end in hundreds of usd.
@@makifrableEPYC is absolutely killing it in the workstation and data center nowadays. AMD under Lisa Su is a powerhouse in the CPU realm.
Now if only they could compete in the GPU realm haha
That sofa is causing more of a stir than the 9800x3d.
Thanks for including CS2 :D
the AMD64 era and AMD Opteron in servers was something like that back in the day, but now there is much more access to information by the general public
He's sitting down on a sofa! Unprecedented!
My man Marco!
How ya doing mate?
Really appreciate your hard work on the HUB team!
Wow an actually positive thumbnail since over a year.
He finally sat down
Amazing.
Thanks for the extra tests with PBO and memory.
7800X3d is still the efficiency king, but we definitely have a new gaming champion. Also, shots fired at Jayz2cents on the memory tuning comment. He's been shilling pretty hard for Intel all year and it shows.
It is aimed at jufes, not jayz
@@riba2233 Maybe so, but Jay put out a video about how much better the 285k is if you grab the right memory and overclock it
@@markh4750 Yeah in which he also indicated strongly that the 9800x3d would absolutely smash everything. If he's shilling for Intel he's absolutely terrible at it.
I think it's gotta be Jufus maybe Jayz to but Jufus literally just released a video about how tuning it would be like 30% increase... and I'm over hear gaslighting myself into thinking in bad at math cus his %'s are just not right like way off 2x sometimes.
@@riba2233ahhhh I see u here as well now
HE'S FINALLY SITTING!
A monster CPU truly and when the prices do come down in the first or second half of next year... Great content Steve.
Bro is not even sitting down, he's LAYING down. Reclined even! I've yet to watch the entire video but knowing what I know from previous unboxings, this promises oh so much good!
The roles really have flipped from 10 years ago, Ryzen (X3D) is so utterly dominant that it's the only sensible option for gaming, both high and mid range if we get a 9600X3D too.
Why have a 9600 when you get 9800
Kinda. If you bought 3770K, you had no real reason to upgrade until around 9900. So this was a 6 generations of stagnation. Or rather, on average 5% improvement.
@@chriswright8074 Not everyone has 500€ laying around, a 9600X3D for 320€ not terrible idea, plus most games are totally fine with 6c/12t, so it should get close to 7800X3D, which is decent jump over 9600X and 9700X.
I don't think so, I know upscaling is fundamental but this a probably a bad match for a 4070 Super or below if you dont play e-sports or a lot of CPU-intensive games.
@@samgragas8467 I don't think people willing to drop almost 500 dollars on a cpu will pair it with anything lower than a 4070ti super/ 7900 xt. If they do they'll most likely do it because they want to play e-sport titles at very high refresh rates as you mentioned.
Never seen him sitting full confort like this. AMD's CEO certainly was relieved to see him full confort like this.
oh my god, this cpu is insanely good. I did not expect this at all after zen 5%...
AMD has completely won me over with this one.
Steve standing up: Product bad
Steve sitting down: Product fairly good
Steve relaxing on a couch: Product SUPER good.
If a review starts with Steve laying in a casket, it's a day 1 purchase.
xD
this is so true XD
@@GT4tube x3D*
😂💀
Yeah nah yeah mate!
Thank you so much Steve and the crew for including 5800X3D. I got a 5700X3D in a tiny case so I am going to hold onto it.
AMD didn't dissapoint with this one. great job!
26:50 Sofa Steve. Sweet!
the ''... game average'' slide is always one of the most important slides for gaming (outside the price/value slides of course). Same goes for the AMD/INTEL CPU vs AMD/INTEL CPU ''... game percentage difference'' slides. So happy you have been showing those for a long time now
This one saved the 9000 series lainch. Hope the next X3D series chips will have such great leaps in performance and engineering.
They won't. 🤷
This X3D generation is getting such unusually massive gains (in raw compute/productivity performance especially) because it's fixing major fundamental problems with BOTH the Zen 5 cores themselves (at least on desktop bc not enough intra-package bandwidth between the CCD's & I/O die to keep the cores fed, which +3x L3 cache HEAVILY alleviates) AND the 3D V Cache technology itself (fixing almost all of its thermal & clock-speed problems by changing the layout/stack order).
Zen 3 X3D (R7 5800X3D) → Zen 4 X3D (R7 7800X3D) is the kind of uplift you should expect on normal new X3D generation occasions. 🤷 Aka pretty similar in gaming performance uplift, but with a MUUUUUUCH smaller productivity perf improvement.
Zen 6 will likely be a much bigger uplift over Zen 5 than Zen 5 was over Zen 4. I say that based on the guess that they will be moving to using the significantly more advanced 3nm process node for the main compute chiplet, and also because I am expecting them to introduce a new re-designed I/O chiplet, but I don't presume to know that for sure.
Do you wait for 13800X3D or what?
Not just sitting down but lounging in a comfy chair. 🤣
I love how you guys lean into the silliness that is your comment section.
Well done. 😁
This slam dunk reminds me of i7-2600k days and how powerful that thing was.
Incredible CPU.
The Steve Standing to Steve laying down scale is real! I'm excited for what comes next! Steve in a hammock with a margarita? Provided of course, that a product that produces better results comes in the near future.
Steve, snuggled up in bed with a teddy bear and night cap on. I think that’s a possible competitor.
Sitting Cozy Steve ! ! !
Excellent to see a good manufacturerd product finally!!
Great video !!!!!
Finally, an upgrade from the 5800x3D. (Most people prefer skipping a generation anyway + New platform = win)
Yeah, well it's not like i need to at the moment, but it is nice to have this option should i want to, if i can't wait for am6😆 and then sell my am4 bundle.
There would be little to no difference in gaming for 1440p/4K by going from 5800X3D to 9800X3D. As shown in the Linus 9800X3D review.
Steve is RELAXED guys!!! Now we can relax for sure!
Impressive results, thanks for testing
2:34 that chip is ready to purge heresy on the back of that grey knight.
Thank you so much for including productivity tests 🙏. Not everyone is just playing games and needs a CPU somewhere between productivity and gaming
Thats why the new 9800x3d is so good. Gaming improvement is only moderate but it's while eliminating x3d downsides so you're getting like +25% productivity performance
even in producyivity it's the faster 8 core right now, it's closed to 12900k in multycore and sometime beat it with half of the cores
@@razoo911 Yeah exactly it is now the fastest 8 cores for everything with the higher vcache ipc without lower clocks
@@Frozoken ipc is good if you think zen5/3d its faster in most single thread application despite lower clock... 5.8 ghz for intel if im not wrong while 5.2 ghz for 9800x3d and apart for cinebench where i think with same clock speed on single thread score they ll be on par which for me show that in the lastest versions of cinebench, the score it's looking too much at avx performance.... that why in other single thread application last intel gen didn't show the same lvl of performance
Masterful engagement strategy with that Lounge position
Wow 9800x3d does crazy good scores in premier pro. Thats crazy good for only 8 cores. Cant wait to see 9950x3d
Ye many applications likes the 3D cache too.
They should make one with a cache chiplet on both compute chiplets and call it the 9950X-3-Double-D
@@syncmonism Everyone like Double-Ds :P
Steve’s physical stance now indicates everything you need to know. Brilliant.
Great review Steve !!
Impressive, very impressive. I will be buying one this Friday.
Thank you for having the DDR Memory Scaling tests. All other reviews used 6000MT/s ram and you guys are the only ones to have those charts with different ram speeds and latencies . Seems like its within marjin of error and they dont matter on this platform/CPU. 👍
Yeah those were good tests.
Mandatory thank you for the CS2 benchmarks!!! The community thanks you sir.
#cs2 #counterstrike #benchmark
This is unprecedented; Steve not only isn't standing, he's lying down on the couch! This must be an amazing CPU!
Steve isn't just sitting down, he's laying down. Now that's what we like to see.
Intel : "Everyone stand up and appreciate us for our efficiency "
AMD : "Take a seat gamers!"
So happy I went with AMD for the first time ever on the CPU side of things with the 7800X3D. Having been an Intel guy my while life I'm not ever looking back at this stage.
Wow, Steve is not standing anymore 😂
What a beast amd really are the kings of gaming with there x3d CPU’s
It's good to see him chilling on the couch because he honestly deserves it!
Your test system specs were with high-end memory too, and X3D makes chips less reliant on memory performance, so hypothetically with more typical memory the margins could be higher. This is a crazy good chip especially for being so power efficient.
let's be real ddr5 6000 isn't high end anymore come on now. I build pcs for mostly old people for work and when going for ryzen I pick 6000 cl30 because its only like $10 more than low end ddr5 anyway
@@Frozoken That's fair
the X3D is clowning on everything now.
You absolutely knew what you were doing presenting this reclined on a couch xD
This reminds me of zen 1 vs coffee lake gaming benchmarks back in 2017, how the tables have turned
🤦... Except that OG Coffee Lake (8th Gen) wasn't NEARLY this far ahead of Zen 1 (Ryzen 1000) in terms of gaming performance! It was "merely" like ≈+5-20% ahead, NOT ≈+25-50% like Zen 5 X3D somehow is over Arrow Lake!!! 😳🤯
(Not to mention that Zen+/Ryzen 2000 would quickly shrink that gaming perf gap vs Coffee Lake to
Zen 1 was never this far behind Intel. Bulldozer and Piledriver were never this far behind Intel. In fact, the last time the disparity was this large was.... how far Pentium 4 was behind Athlon 64.
Zen6 has been long rumored to change the packaging and interconnect between chiplets. For Zen5 team focused on the core, and for Zen6 on the interconnection and packaging. Each leapfrogging team fixed different parts of the architecture. And it would have been complete waste of resources for Zen5 team to do anything on IO-die before complete overhaul in that area.
Efficient!
That's interesting
Except they reworked it for Zen 5 Epyc... where the gains over Zen 4 are much more impressive. This means they have the IP blocks for a much better DDR5 memory controller already. Which means AMD could do a "Zen 5+" launch if they decided to put a rush on it... or if Zen 6 is facing delays.
@@andersjjensen They did the work for a specific chip that pays a lot more, that previously supported only DDR5 4800 officially in a market where stability matters a lot, and with interconnect that limited the bandwidth because it had 12 channels. And they increased the number of chiplets they could use from 12 to 16 on a socket that could fit all those. Oh. And they made good efficiency improvement by a simple changes in manufacturing that would have increased the cost of desktop CPU:s by over 33%.
The chiplet design would be stupid if they would use the same process for IO-die as for cores. Turin uses better process for cores and for the IO-die it uses same process as desktop CPU uses for cores.
Makes you wonder just how much more uplift we would see from an updated I/O die with a non-bottlenecking memory controller on this generation. Over the 9700X is crazy by itself.
That will be a free uplift in the next generation for amd..
Intel is well and truly beaten gaming wise now
They are well and truly beaten, full stop. The very few instances where the 285K beats the 9950X in productivity the margins are so slim you'd have to be stupid to pay the extra price, the extra RAM cost to get there, and the extra electricity to be there. And given how the 9800X3D was a surprising leap in productivity too..... the 9950X3D is going to be the final word in the eulogy.