I can't believe there's still people who are still using that completely useless website for CPU comparisons, lol. They've been exposed many years ago as totally fraudulent.
And it ought to be. Those who make money off their CPU OR those who are blowing wads of cash "because LOADSAMONEY!!!!!" would, but you shouldn't get a new CPU when you still have the previous gen CPU. It was only when AMD is talked about is it promoted as a factor.
The thing is that if the 9800x3D can use the same socket that the 7800x3D you could still sale your 7800 and upgrade with just a bit of expense on your part.
@@nemo4evr That's an 'Easy Sale' as a New 7800X3D is going for anywhere between; $450.00 USD to $629.00 Cad. So you could reasonably expect to Ask for & Get: $375.00 US to $450.00 Cad for It!!
@HoodHussleir Don't necessarily agree with this. If it's a mid range build with a mid range gpu, then maybe yeah. But in high end builds, there's quite a chance of getting CPU bottlenecks in some games on the top end GPUs, even in 4K. It's leaving a lot on the table using a 5700X3D.
Many "professional" review outlets have destroyed their own credibility... Many people come to UA-cam because at least some of the content creators on the platform still have credibility and their information can still be relied upon.
It's funny, I think the opposite - the only places that I trust to be unbiased are the legacy tech outlets (RIP anand) and the UA-cam creators are about half and half as far as bought-and-paid-for vs unbiased. Think of it this way - you can have the most slick testing bench ever, the best breakdown of frames per second and productivity performance with the shiniest graphs. You can conduct the actual testing with the utmost care and professionalism and seem entirely above-board. But a reviewer can directly determine the nature of the test outcomes by deciding what things to benchmark. If you include 7-zip, you're intentionally including a synthetic benchmark that consumers will never experience which gives AMD a free win. You can do the same with your game benchmark suite. In essence, a UA-cam creator can choose the suite of tests that tell the story they want from the start and then very accurately report on those tests and still be biased just in the tests they run. They all know which benchmarks favor which brand of CPU or GPU and by what margins, apples-to-apples. Oh look a Factorio benchmark (irrelevant 2D game that runs on a toaster, constantly favors one brand) and a 7-zip benchmark! I wonder what brand this reviewer favors?
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator On the 7zip part - it's not true that consumers will never experience. Take a WILD guess why the CPU is heavily utilized when you download a game on Steam (except if your download speed is slow). Websites also deliver the HTML, CSS and JS files archived (usually gzip and brotli nowadays). Though to be fair, any normal website will only give you several MBs to decompress, which is peanuts for current gen CPUs. Factorio isn't totally irrelevant. The game does run on a toaster, since they did awesome optimisations runs time and again over the course of 10? years it's been in development. However, if you do get to a massive base, a toaster won't cut it anymore. On that idea, I'd say that Shadow of the Tomb Raider is also irrelevant, since that game is basically maxed at 144 FPS, since it's not fast paced enough to really need more FPS. And it's not the only game. As it stands, it's good to have the widest "pallete", the largest collection of different game engines that people do play. Factorio isn't on the same popularity as all the AAA games that are used in all places, but it's still popular enough and representative for things like simulation games, management games, incremental games. Also, what are the name of the places you trust ? Other than anandtech and phoronix, I don't know others (haven't search either, so genuinely curious if I'm missing on something good).
Incredible price but too close to my 5800 X3D so I wait. I was so amped to get Zen 5 and then the reviews came out........................................................ X3D? Maybe. I still feel so burned by both companies. Holding onto my cash...
@@louisstanwuenjoy your 5800x3d for a few more years. It was the best purchase of your system. Get 32gb of 3600mhz cl16 if you haven’t since it’s still cheap today. Only use the two sticks though and sell off the ram you got.
i did too, and i sold it for $400. now im on 9800x3d
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13:04 Plenty of people who don't upgrade every 3-4 years but rather after 8-10-12 years. And there aren't that many places to get info on stuff like that. That's why I love videos that compare say a decade of GPU performance, or used GPU buying guide for cards in the past x generations, or CPU scaling benchmarks over the past generations. Those kinds of big picture benchmarks that cover a decade or so, rather than just the past gen vs current gen.
i did 2500k to 8700k :) tough bought 9900k pretty fast for same mobo. Now owner of 7800x3d. But in general CPU i change usually very last GPU maybe every second gens depents on the pricing.
I never waste my money on brand new generations and their MSRP crap. Always go a gen or two back at massively discounted prices. Works a treat. Saves a ton of money.
Correct! As per 'what used to be my 'Go to Source' for PC Info: Maximum PC; One Writer/Editor asked: "Do you want this Morning's Technology or This Afternoon's?"
Not only save money, but you evade the growing pains of the new technology. Most new generations take a good year or more for stability and performance is maximized. I prefer to be a happy customer than a beta tester!
Found this comment section, I'm still on first gen i5 760 with 12gb ddr3 and a gtx1660 super, I'm a casual gamer, I'm so confused looking at the current pc parts after 14yrs, what do you guys think is the best upgrade for me? Could you pls help?
@JosephKarthic go with a MSI tomahawk b550 board with a ryzen 5700x3d. Plop in 2 x 16 for 32gb of DDR 4 3600 cl16 ram. Slot in the card of your choice and your solid. Have the same setup but 5800x3d, but the 5700x3d is much cheaper and only a few percent slower on average. Hope this helps!
The real question about 9800X3D isn't "Will it be fast enough to make people upgrade from 7800X3D", but "Will it be fast enough to make the people with 5800X3D upgrade". And let me tell you - there is A TON of us waiting to that launch. It's like the GTX 1080 era when no one wanted an RTX 2080 and we had to get to the RTX 3080 and 3090 before gamers started upgrading from their GTX 1080s.
Unless you play with something better than a 4070 super, 5800X3D is good enough basically in every case. We don't just need better CPUs that are faster by a significant margin, we also need GPUs fast enough to warrant an upgrade. We'll see what happens with new Nvidia and amd cards in January.
@@gulapula Multiple products can compete for the same resources (silicon), production capacity (TSMC throughput), logistics routes (shipping lanes through the Middle East), shelf space (Microcenter), etc. That's why milk changing its price can influence cheese, egg, and even other animals' meat prices.
@@markhackett2302 Yes. When you go from samsungs shitty 8nm process node to a cutting edge 5 nm and can't do better that's a fucking insult. 4060ti was even worse. Not that you'd know what I'm getting at.
To be honest 10-15% is generally more in line with what I would expect normally with the more major revisions closer to 20%. The over 25% we saw is kinda an exception and not the normal, we just got spoiled by a few years of giant leaps. Kinda the same situation where everyone was spoiled on the nvidia 3000 line. You don't get those 25% leaps in performance that often. The standard is closer to 10-20 like we saw with the rtx 2000 and rtx 4000.
If you upgrade for anything less than double performance you should probably seek help 😂 Most people won't be able to notice a 50% performance increase unless they can see the FPS counter.
Me and my entire group of friends have been hardcore PC gamers for 6 or so years now, we all game heavy heavy. And when comparing parts for each of our new builds over the years we have used UserBenchmark quite a lot. We have only just recently in the past couple of months found out how biased they are and we have completely written off the site. But it sucks because the UI and how easy it is to use and compare is why weve always used it. Hell, My buddy outside of the close group wont believe that his 14900KS isnt as good as the 7800X3D because of that site lol. Gettting ready to build an AMD PC after Nov 7th and well see shortly. Thanks for the videos guys and thanks for covering that. Edit: WE are casuals, Who game a shitton. Plug and play. I know the 14900KS is a great chip for gaming so please be understanding if I didn't word this great lol
14900k overclocked with ddr5 8000mts will beat 7800x3d. Plug n play 7800x3d wins and it's cheaper to. The average consumer would definitely be better with x3d chips for this reason. Be cool to see how well the 9800x3d oc as it's finally becoming a feature.
@JakeySurani interesting, appreciate the comment! We are all plug n play for the most part. Don't think any of us have overcl9cked unless it was the auto AI stuff but I don't know anything about that. Especially the guy I mentioned. I was doing heavy heavy research into my new build and was going to go with Intel and Nvidia, when I came across how good the X3D was I was talking about it with him amd he ended up getting defensive because the price difference and also when the two were released. And I get it, it doesn't "make sense" to casuals but proofs in the pudding. I've now switched to building with AMD. Using the user benchmark site I couldn't get why anyone would go with AMD when prices are similar but performance is down, well, they aren't being truthful I found out. I am very excited to see the new AMD release, though I will probably just go with 7800X3D. I've heard with new chips, BIOS updates are regular and problems could arise regardless of the company. Don't know much but i dont want to deal with that lol.
@@gstar5956motherboards nowadays have a bios flashback to update the motherboard to what you will need for 9800X3D if necessary. Hardware unboxed made a video on all the types of am5 motherboard. You'll need that as it's very disorientated
The 14900KS IS faster than a 7800X3D in gaming. Sure, Stock speeds with Stock memory the 7800X3D does beat it by a good 10-20%, but the 14900KS overclocked, with ultrafast memory, it will be the fastest gaming option. And, the fastest productivity option. Intel actually is good for people who want BOTH productivity, gaming, and to have fun with overclocking. But yeah, Userbenchmarks sucks ass. The 14900KS will remain the king until we get the 9950X3D with 2nd Gen 3D-VCache on both CCDs making it faster in Gaming, Productivity, AND allowing for overclocking up to those superfast memory speeds which are able to beat out the sweet spot 6000 with enough raw force. Remember, AMD is not your friend. 7800X3Ds were exploding at up to 230 Degrees in the same ASUS-built motherboards that killed the Intel Raptor Lake i9s these last few months.
@@RobloxianXthe 14900K is NOT faster than the 7800X3D lmao. Even with super fast memory the 7800X3D still wins. Also remember the 14900KS uses 160-180W in gaming, and 400W!!! In productivity. It loses to the 9950X in productivity while the 9950X uses less than half the power. Also not to mention the instability issues with 13th and 14th gen. Only a handful of AMD cpus blew up and you had to have a super specific set of things to go wrong.
@@olafweyer859 I went 8350 black to 2700x, b450 crapped out. Got a micro center bundle at $480 with mobo, 7800x3d, ram. Happy I did that last november :)
@@MrEdioss from a technical point of view, i5s could also be affected, they were using the same algorith to calculate the voltage in low and medium power states in which the voltage spikes occured.
@justinpowell2400 If needed, you sell off the 13600K and get a 12900K for cheap. Also ignore MrEdioss, all Raptor Lake is effected, outlined by Intel already, and warranties extended.
@@johnscaramis2515 Technically, yes. In practice, the lower current limit (and draw even when unlimited) meant the vdroop compensation on what was already a pretty voltage shy part means I'd be very surprised if anything that wasn't under XOC suffered from the 'VMin Shift' issue. There were certainly some failures, but every product has some, and I don't think the i5's were exceptional. I feel like Intel were being cautious including them, because not doing so would lead to another round of headlines in the event they did turn out to be impacted and they were taking a hit regardless because most people were already just talking about 'Raptor lake degradation' not 'Raptor Lake i9s and some i7s degradation' .
That thumbnail is excellent. First I saw the blue bar, then realized it's a physical f**king object in your hands with 9800x3d and "all the fps" clear on the other side of the room, man... I was not prepared.
AMD anouncement says 8% average, which sounds not that unbelivable, since they got x3d and ramp in frequency their benchmarks might have even been more GPU restricted, so i'd say possible 6-12% on average, and if we can get some overclocking there, it might be a good one
we have already seen, that the frequency makes some games go up to 20-30% from 7800x3d while not slower in others. depending on other results, 6-12% could be a median and not average, while maximum at 30% and minimum 3%. It would be fast, but not generationaly, more like a modest sidegrade to 7800x3d that can do production programs faster and some cpu bound games faster, while loosing historical powersaving gaming role.
@@MrEdioss AMD gaming made official anouncement with tease that they are working with companies making FSR 4 from their benchmarks, it's from 1% up to 14% in best... compared to newest top intel (285K) it's from 10% up to 39% in CP2077 it will depend on games used and how you test it, base uplift in clocks should give those numbers... i think CPU is $480, 120W tdp and has 5.2ghz with same cache, but underneath the chip so it's easier to dissapate the heat, which enables overclocking so it's jump from 4.7ghz to 5.2ghz if i recall correct, for 8% on average according to AMD official benchmarks, which this time looks plausbile overall
They could be sandbagging slightly to get rid of 7800x3d before it releases. Intel isnt as fast as 7800x3d so anything more than that looks great compared to competition. Why make your current CPU look bad? I expect some reviewers will average over 10%.
@@1Grainer1 One of AMD's slides that accompanied the announcement last week showed 26% improvement in Hogwarts Legacy over the 7800X3D and several other titles were also over 20%. So, the expected range is 1-26%, with the average being 8%.
A 500 dollar CPU that lets you take full advantage of your 2000 dollar 5090 isn't a typical AMD stretch on launch pricing for a GPU. Demand will be high for the first few months Anyone who ends up with a 5090 is going to want a 9800X3D, even if they already have a 7800X3D. Anyone who gets a 5080 and doesn't already have a 7800X3D is going to want a 9800X3D
Paid $430 for a 7800x3d about 6 weeks ago at the Walmart I work at. It was the last one they had in stock. The Best Buy next door didn’t even have one.
I picked up my 7800X3D for $355 last March. After seeing how this has unfolded I'm glad I pulled the trigger when I did. That CPU will last me several years with GPU upgrades along the way. The fact that you can cool it with a $35 HSF is just awesome.
TBF I had a friend who bought a 12700K over the 5800X3D when they were on the AM4, and he justified it with the 12700K being a lesser CPU bottleneck than the 5800X3D through a comparrison off of Userbenchmark, so there is some influence.
I have a 7950x3D which is now working flawlessly for both gaming and general compute. The rumors that the 9950x3D is quite interesting and tempting but I don't know if it would justify an upgrade unless AMD can raise clocks on it to 5.5ghz
I wonder if they will be able to have X3D cache on all core chips now that they moved it underneath the cores, maybe it will be a monster the 9950X3D, with both speed and fast large L3 memory!?
I will stick with my 7950x3d. The only thing that interests me is cooler and less hungry . My current one can’t pdo more than -10 undervolt and gets warm. But is fast for everything else
One thing I think you're completely ignoring is the fact that retailers have switched to pre-orders on the 7800X3D and they're flying off the shelves. I finally scored one last week through Best Buy when another window opened up after missing about a half dozen previous ones. Canada Computers has been doing the same thing: they're taking preorders and they're selling out. Fall semester students with loads of disposable cash were/are building PCs and they're going for the current goat, especially now with the current state of Core Ultra, the 14th gen stability issue and then Zen 5 being a bit of a flop. Also, love seeing Tim getting so fired up! 😂
For sure it will sit. Because AMD stopped producing other X3D parts so a more expensive but (potentially) not faster Zen 5 part won’t have any competition.
Yeah. Feels like the gravy train is coming to a stop. So I wouldn't expect any big improvements from AMD, not for a long(er) time, and not for good value. I think a +10% is reasonable, and an MSRP of USD $450 is okay, as long as the street-price hits below $400. It will potentially do more for productivity tasks, and give you an efficiency boost.
I didn’t originally notice the little Q&A in the still image and wasn’t interested in the main story so I almost missed the previous video. Having Q& A in the video title might help?
I require a large amount of vram to do artificial intelligence stuff. And I also want a good gaming card for 4K gaming. The flagship Nvidia GPU unfortunately, is my only choice. Amd cards just do not play nice with the programs I'm trying to run.
User Benchmark is very easy to use and understand. If a legit group put together something similar it would be awesome. Really was hoping LTT Lab was gonna do something similar.
UB is trash with absoute numbers due to their bias, however they are quite easy and accurate when it comes to e.g. relative comparisons within the same CPU manufacturer or relative comparisons between GPUs. The bias seems to be a little bit less on GPUs, the results are reasonable when comparing to other sites. As long as you are aware of that, UB is quite useful.
For 479$, at least 10-15% compared to the 7800X3D at MRSP. If you compare a 20% uplift to be worth it. That is also why AMD is raising the price of all X3D, so the 9x00X3D look better on price/perf then 7x00X3D.
Theyre raising prices because people are buying amd over intel due to 13th 14th gen degrade gate. and 200 series actually regressed in performance, in gaming anyway.
@@Raizan-IO There is no AMD CPU with 7800. You mean either the 7700 or 7800X3D. There aren't that many on Ebay, only a few at that price. And you have to beware not to get a fake one, there are many floating around.
@@gucky4717 well yeah but if making 9800x3D look good was their only aim, they could've released for 450 or 400$. The purpose was to raise profits across the lineup.
My latest build, I bought a 7500F as a replacement for my target 7800X3D, the 7800X3D basically disappeared from all computer stores, e-commerce websites in my country, even though the CPU was made in my country. Currently, the 7500F pairs with the 4070 Ti Super. Will probably be replaced by a 9800X3D in the future.
To be fair a 10% margin on average is a bit of a far fetched for me. Just make it the same MSRP and more efficient and better tuned out of the box. 7-8% uplift with more efficiency and allowing us more control with PBO and overclocking and I’ll be okay with it. Just make it what Zen 5 wasn’t on launch - an actual improvement.
It will be very hard to improve on efficiency considering that 7800x3D is already crazy efficient. 5-7% performance improvement is basically a refresh territory, not a new generation territory
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Agreed, but considering Zen 4 to Zen 5 was barely an improvement in terms of performance, I’m not expecting the X3D parts to be wildly different in terms of performance, certainly not in the 2 digit percentages on averages (unless the new 3D V-Cache geometrical layout actually makes a massive difference).
Doing the math with the price increase, the 9800X3D HAS to be more than 6.7% faster in the MINIMUM CASE SCENARIO for it to be an actually faster CPU. (449x1.066815145=479). It would then have to be double that for it to be considered a real upgrade. So these are our numbers: 13.4% faster at minimum for the 9800X3D to be considered a *meaningful* upgrade (That's 120FPS to 136FPS), 6.7% faster at minimum for the 9800X3D to be considered *an* upgrade (That's 120 to 128FPS), Anything under that, the 9800X3D is Dead On Arrival.
I am now on 5900X and I am potential buyer for 9800X3D, because in recent time I have reduced my productivity loads (heavy multithreaded calculation for PhD, now done in mainly in cloud) and are more of a gamer on my desktop. However I am mainly indie or 4K single player title gamer, where I think the my 5900X is still doing pretty well. I am tempted to go 64GB DDR5 from 32GB DDR4 that I currently run, but then again probably not necessary. 9800X3D needs to be price competitive while maintaining nice leadership to convince me of buying.
The upcoming Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 has 64Gb as recommended, having "too much" RAM has never been a bad thing since my first build in 2013, it keeps it working longer for new titles. Finding the right mem to fill the slots later get's harder as the market dwindles for older parts.
4080 performance for $500 US or as close as I can get to that within the next year. That's what I'm looking for now to go with my AM4/5700X3D/32GB system.
It's likely to be the next AM6 boards, not the AM5. The 9000s are for those upgrading from a 7600 to a 9800 or 9800X3D or whose board is just giving up the ghost.
Im working/gaming with my old "Gaming"PC from 2016 (i7-6700, upgraded to GTX 1660 Super, upgraded 32GB DDR4 RAM). Running on Windows 10, that can't upgrade to Win 11 i'm just waiting for the EoL Support on my Windows 10 System October 14th 2025. As soon as i can get a good deal in 2025 for a Ryzen 7 9800X3D and a RTX5070, im getting a new Gaming Beast XD. I'm soo excited :D
If it isn't fast enough to beat the 7800X3D by 15% in gaming, then the launch price is offensive considering the 7800x3d was no more than 349 for months. If a brand new successor just makes you regret not buying the previous model while it was readily available, it's a bad deal.
Another informative video guys, great as always. The previous low prices on 7800 X3D were overlooked by me and I don't regret not getting one. I waited years for Zen 5 reading all the speculation about how massive the uplift was going to be.......... Crushed by disappointment and destined to wait possible years more. Sigh. Ok, RX 8800 XT/ 8900 XT is all I care to wait for at this time... If we get 7900 XT performance for five Benjamin's, I'm in. My 6800 XT is fast enough until then. Are you listening AMD?
In my part of the world... Prices of 7800XDs spiked to almost $600 a few weeks ago. Over double what I paid for my own 2-3 months back. Back then the average price was $441. But I paid $363 in what I highly assume was a pricing error on the retailers part. Right now the average price is sitting at $543 so its dropped ever so slightly but still pretty high. I definitely wouldnt of upgraded to AM5 for that price. It would have eaten up too much of the budget for the build.
I got a 7600x3d last month (couldn't afford the build this summer) and it's been phenomenal. I doubt I'll have any use for the 9800x3d, although if it dips down around $300 like the 7800x3d did in a year or two, I might pick it up and sell my 7600x3d to a friend who's still on Zen 3. Could be a win/win deal.
@BoatMurderedDF I'd still give it some serious thought if you're not already on a 4080 Super or higher. I build 7500F regularly, and you don't really see a meaningful uplift in gaming with a 7800X3D unless I test with a high end card at 1080P.
I have done the same but with a R7 7700 that I got from AliExpress for $190 lol. It's so good that I am not upgrading it😄. I do 4k 120Hz gaming on 4080.
I always go straight to youtube check you guys, GN steve, Linus, Jayz for fps benchmarks at my target resolution (and especially in more CPU bound games since I play WoW and I couldn't care less if I don't play max on a few games that I do casually anyway) then I write the results on an excel and calculate the percentage delta using the less powerful upgrade as a base (also compare it to my own rig base to see if it's even worth the upgrade or Im simply buying "new shiny" ) and then I see what price I can the CPU / GPU in my country and compare the price to performance ratio as a start. Then I review technology stuff like DLSS and if Im willing to pay extra for that and how much is it. This has made me build better value rigs than my friends by a good amount of cash for years.
LOL, don't wanna drag conspiracy theory people to UserBenchmark crazy level? SHOTS fired bros! Addition after finishing the vid: Yeah, so with so much processing being offloaded to CPU, now that GPU is constantly being bottlenecked, game dev will have to retool and start using matrix calculations rather than Floating point or SSE. 2 of the most obvious areas are global illumination (UE5 & Creation Engine) and NPU AI. Physics in Creation Engine is also CPU based I think... Both can utilise AVX. However, some commenter in this channel mentioned current gen consoles cannot make use of AVX due to Zen 2/3 limitations so AVX will probably come only for PC gaming in the near-term. AVX may come for PS6 or XBOX.next.
@@erictayet I'm quite sure they know... somehow. If all other HW UA-camrs have completely different results than you, that usually makes you thinking. Especially since their evaluation methods are (at least to my knowlede) not documented. On the other hand, they could be like the guy listening to traffic announcement and muttering "one wrong-way driver? Hundreds!"
@@johnscaramis2515 I think the general consensus is they think they're right hence HUB openly calling them crazy. I will call them delusional. They are the ultimately fanpeople, SEO users and click baiters.
I saw it real time and it sucks because I was going to buy it the following week but it went up to 450 then 590 then 700 and stayed until a few weeks ago for 480 and now 500 so 9800x3d it is on launch day
I feel like people really need to stop setting the requirements for each generation of tech to be successful as "good enough to be worth discarding the thing you just bought 1-2 years ago" Like, I'm perfectly happy to buy a 9800x3d to replace my 12600K. And if I hadn't waited and bought a 7800x3d for $350? I'd be happy that I bought a similar chip for much cheaper, and in both cases, I have a good shot of being able to upgrade the cpu in 2-4 years w/o touching the rest of the pc .
The 12600k is a good CPU. It is very efficient with general desktop usage and snappy response. If you are on DDR5 with your 12600k I would rather look at getting a 14600k and save money. Get whatever comes after the 9800X3D. I have custom 12500 office PC that I would not trade for AMD. My gaming setup I had a 5950x downgraded to 5800X3D and now currently on R7 7700. The 12600k is much more responsive than the 5800X3D. What I can take from this is that I prefer higher clocked CPU's on AMD to be responsive. I play at 4k 120Hz so the CPU does not impact the performance that much as the GPU will most likely be the biggest bottleneck.
Well, I'm swapping platforms (From Intel to AMD) this go around. I thought about buying a 7800X3D at the current price or just getting the 9800X3D and decided to wait and I'm glad I did. With the overclockability of the 9800X3D that amount of bump I'll be able to get by just unlocking PBO will be enough of a boost that its more than worth waiting for it.
Zen 5 is only considered a flop when you look at windows performance. Even on 24h2 it had a huge uplift over zen 4 on 23h2 and Linux was great uplift. AMD probably compared the admin mode running zen 5 to normal mode running zen 4 and got that 16% IPC.
My guess is original IPC numbers for zen5 was them testing Epyc. For server workloads on Epyc that number is pretty much on point. The server stuff is what drives the architecture development and for zen5 server/laptop probably was the focus even more. Desktop was in the bag anyways. And In previous gens their server IPC increase roughly translated to desktop as well, so expecting that on desktop as well sounds like a reasonable assumption. Though it still baffles me that they don't seem to run solid benchmarks before finalizing their release marketing and review guides. It always sounds like the AMD guys doing the actual proper benchmarking are seeing those parts for the first time just like reviewers.
Honestly, im fine with the small performance bump, as I see it we don't need / cant expect huge gains EVERY YEAR. It'll be a bit faster, it'll support OC and it should be cooler with the rearrangement of the CCD and cache dyes. 7800X3D ppl shouldn't upgrade anyway, this should be for 5800X3D / Intel ppl.
We already know it's quite a bit more than 10% in gaming, especially compared to Intel's latest 285K. The issue is the price. while $479 USD is a minor bump, I've been told good luck finding one for less than $550 at launch, and I need many as a builder. Looks like I'll be waiting.
The problem is reviewers always go to the highest performance card for their benchmarks which feeds into people feeling they need that product even if the price is outrageous similar to the 4080 Super vs the 4090.
Well that gives you a clear view of what is the limit of those cpus or gpus in best scenario, then is easy to extrapolate the potential of certain combo if you've seen many benchmarks, reviewers cannot test with infinite combinations. It wouldn't make sense to test with bottlenecks as then many cpus/gpus would look the same then.
@@guille92h Agreed but you missed what my statement was referring to when they were discussing the prices of the upcoming GPU's if reviewers always go to the Halo product it creates a feeling of need for gamers who most likely cannot afford it due to its outrageous price. Similar to the 4080 super you can find around 1k for a founders vs the 4090 super that typically goes for 1900+ in the US market. The reviewers are doing their due diligence but in doing so they are feeding into the emotional response people have when they feel they have something inferior.
@@Massacari The entire GPU lineup has a similar level of markup. The presence of the 4090 in comparison videos hasn't made the masses sell their 3060s, most sales have been in the low to mid tier GPUs. Plus I don't think people are going to forget about the 4090 and their emotional reaction abates, they just have to learn to be better consumers.
Not true…. I Watch HU, GN and my gpu is old 5700xt… the second best gpu after 1080ti considering the price… both less than $600 that is fine price for gpu… Not getting 4090 or 5090 because… they are just prices over what I think sensible…
For anyone wondering, 7800x3d has been below $300 this year. 9800x3d msrp is $480. So, not factoring in discounts for the 9800x3d because I think it's going to sell well in the first couple months of release despite the US will be in the holiday sales season, you will determine the performance increase necessary for a $180 increase in price, and this not including the even more expensive motherboards. I would say there is no way 9800x3d can live up to the hype for a $200 increase in cost. Yes I know there is no way to buy a 7800x3d around $300 anymore, but this is for comparison purposes.
Why would you need a more expensive motherboard? The TDP is the same, so anything that can handle a 7800X3D should be able to handle a 9800X3D. You can use 9000 series with B650 after a BIOS update
@@Hennerbo You CAN but it's not the best case. And bios updates are scary to do. Most people won't know how and want to take that risk. Plus if your going ot upgrade you might as well get all the new bells and whistles.
@Caveman787 BIOS updates aren't hard or scary at all. The online tutorials are, like, 2 minutes long. Pop a flash drive in, format it, download the latest BIOS for your motherboard model, and most boards have Ezflash these days. Downloading a new BIOS in 2004 may have been a little more spooky, but today, the MOBO takes care of 99% of it as long as you get the flash drive in the right USB slot. 😂 Even my cheap B450 board had a marked ezflash slot and button.
Many people in the comments, and even every reviewer... Why is it a "flop" if it is lets say the claimed 8% over 7800x3D? You know... not everyone upgrades every year. Some only upgrade every 5 to 7 years. To those people, it'll be way more than 8% uplift in performance. This is the mentality reviewers get into. They only see gen over gen, not the reality of people spending money on computers. I don't know what % of people keep upgrading every new generation, but I'm willing to bet it it's in the single digits. Hell, my last jump was from an Intel 4790k to a Ryzen 5800x. And now I'm debating jumping from that to a 9800x3D. I'm willing to say that to be considered a flop, 10% isn't the number for previous generation. That only affects those who upgrade every new generation, and that's a terrible mentality to have. If the newer CPUs can't go over 10% from 2 generations ago, then there's a problem. And that's why Intel has been underwhelming. I'm more interested in the difference between the 5800x3D and the 9800x3D. That'll tell me how much the upgrade will be worth it. Even if I have the non 3D-VCache.
Yes, because AMD allow prices to go down over time at retailers. Intel don't allow prices to go down. Are you saying AMD should force prices to stay the same over time, like Intel do? It's a GOOD thing that AMD hardware gets cheaper over time. It's one of the reasons Ryzen got such high adoption from DIY builders.
@@marcinkarpiuk7797only if the market in your region will self adjust the price, from where I am from unless the launch is flopped to a disaster degree, do not expect price drop until a month or 2 after the successor is released.
285k is 5 percent behind. So 9800x3d would be 15 percent faster if only 10. If they got it 20 percent or 15 percent better than 7800 x3d that would be obvs better. But still would be almost 20 percent better than new intel 285k. For 150 bucks more.
7800X3D went so fast in price due to Intel not bringing anything to the table. If Intel had intoruduced something better than the 7800X3D, AMD wouldn't never be able to sell that so expensive. This for all you court jesters out there cheering for one company to fail, this is the result we will get, this is just a sneek peek what is about to happen and you have only yourself to blame. Good luck.
Sold my 7800x3d today. Hoping to get an even cooler, quiter system with the new stacking design, and a nice flowbump with that 31% better 1% lows. Think that will be more noticeable than the 8ish % on top.
If you watched the recent Jayz2cents Intel video, he did hint that 9800X3D is looking very very good. Now we'll find out in a few days whether its of a level where Vegeta crushes his scouter
@@PelonixYT Yeah, I was kind of shocked how clueless he was when trying to OC the new intel 285. Sure it's a new architecture and all that, but Der8auer figured it out as well because he actually knows his shit. Jay was clueless and didn't bother to educate himself before making that video as well. Seeing that really made me question his takes more than I already did before.
My wife and I were looking to upgrade, and I was debating on either 14700k or the 7800x3d, but the latter is now over $500. The 9800x3d will either hopefully be the same price, or at least cause the 7800xed to go down in price. We're both running 9600ks for reference.
I wonder if 9900X3D and 9950X3D would be any better because they should now put 3D V-cache on all 12 and 16 cores. But then again I feel like anything better than 8 cores wont see a big improvement in gaming
User benchmarks still seems to rank aspects of products that should not be ranked. For example, higher core count is a net positive regardless of the individual performance of each core, even though it is not doing testing specific to workloads that benefit heavily from the extra cores. In terms of gaming, it shows the core i7 14700K being vastly faster than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and that conclusion is heavily influenced by the higher clock speed and higher core count of the 14700K. In reality, the 7800X3D is a better gaming CPU while the 14700K is a significantly better CPU for workstation and highly threaded workloads that can be completed asynchronously. The issue is that a user looking to build a gaming PC with a focus on just gaming and content consumption, will not get that nuance, instead they will come away thinking the Intel CPU is twice as good while being much cheaper. In fact, the user would even consider the Core i5 14600K to be a good amount faster than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, even though pretty much all other major reviews are showing the 7800X3D beating the 14900K in gaming (with the exception of a select few games).
Any segment throwing userbenchmark under the bus is a great section. Very much enjoyed that, thank you.
I hope they watch it. I know they will be foaming in the mouth.
UserBenchmark are the Conservatives of the tech space.
I can't believe there's still people who are still using that completely useless website for CPU comparisons, lol. They've been exposed many years ago as totally fraudulent.
@@Chasm9 Show us on the doll where the conservative touched you.
@@Chasm9 I think you mean the fake news left. lol
Fast enough to ensure Steve is sitting down.
+ put his seatbelt on
Oh yeah off course. That's the minimum requirement lol.
Gamers Nexus: LORD FORGIVE MEEEE, YUEAAHAAAA
But what if its so fast it makes him have to stand to bow to it?
@jalleonothing5946 Then we have broken the space time continuum.
Never don't bag on Userbenchmark. That guy has been having some kind of psychotic break for half a decade now.
Why do I get the feeling that people who root for AMD like a sports team are also leftist voters IRL?
that reminds me, I have to read his Arrow Lake cope
@@3lanksp_cedon't bother. It's honestly lightly critical of Arrow Lake, what with memory bandwidth issues. He just says to get 12th, 13th gen Intel
@@JBrinx18 That's dissapointing, our lord UB has failed us.
Yeah, I expected some crazy mental gymnastics @@ridleyroid9060
Plot twist userbenchmark is infact Steve from HUB it's his villian arc
The things I write when going insane testing 20+ motherboards.
@@Hardwareunboxedthat's your Safe space, huh
Bless your heart@@Hardwareunboxed
the real question is, does Steve attach an extra fake mustache to his beard when starts writing UB articles?
@@Hardwareunboxed Isn't the definition of insane repeatedly doing the same thing expecting different results? ;)
For me a 9800x3d would be a really nice upgrade from a 3900x. but if I already had a 7800x3d it would be tough to justify an upgrade to a 9800x3d.
And it ought to be. Those who make money off their CPU OR those who are blowing wads of cash "because LOADSAMONEY!!!!!" would, but you shouldn't get a new CPU when you still have the previous gen CPU. It was only when AMD is talked about is it promoted as a factor.
The thing is that if the 9800x3D can use the same socket that the 7800x3D you could still sale your 7800 and upgrade with just a bit of expense on your part.
@@nemo4evr Do you really need the extra 20 fps for all that hassle? If you're not gaming do you REALLY need it to be 5% faster?
@@nemo4evr That's an 'Easy Sale' as a New 7800X3D is going for anywhere between; $450.00 USD to $629.00 Cad. So you could reasonably expect to Ask for & Get: $375.00 US to $450.00 Cad for It!!
@@user-if9pp4vg7g If you're not gaming why the hell would you have an x3D chip in the first place.
Fast enough for the Intel people to switch over, but not fast enough for people with 7800X3D to upgrade to 😂
well said 😂
Even people using the 5700X3D will have a hard time justifying the upgrade especially with the price difference
Ye, but maby I will upgrade to the 11800x3d or up
@HoodHussleir Don't necessarily agree with this. If it's a mid range build with a mid range gpu, then maybe yeah. But in high end builds, there's quite a chance of getting CPU bottlenecks in some games on the top end GPUs, even in 4K. It's leaving a lot on the table using a 5700X3D.
but as a 5800x user i will upgrade
Many "professional" review outlets have destroyed their own credibility... Many people come to UA-cam because at least some of the content creators on the platform still have credibility and their information can still be relied upon.
Yeah I unsubbed from LTT.
@@B1u35ky And hardware Canucks.. And many other pair advertisers.
It's funny, I think the opposite - the only places that I trust to be unbiased are the legacy tech outlets (RIP anand) and the UA-cam creators are about half and half as far as bought-and-paid-for vs unbiased.
Think of it this way - you can have the most slick testing bench ever, the best breakdown of frames per second and productivity performance with the shiniest graphs. You can conduct the actual testing with the utmost care and professionalism and seem entirely above-board. But a reviewer can directly determine the nature of the test outcomes by deciding what things to benchmark. If you include 7-zip, you're intentionally including a synthetic benchmark that consumers will never experience which gives AMD a free win. You can do the same with your game benchmark suite.
In essence, a UA-cam creator can choose the suite of tests that tell the story they want from the start and then very accurately report on those tests and still be biased just in the tests they run. They all know which benchmarks favor which brand of CPU or GPU and by what margins, apples-to-apples.
Oh look a Factorio benchmark (irrelevant 2D game that runs on a toaster, constantly favors one brand) and a 7-zip benchmark! I wonder what brand this reviewer favors?
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator On the 7zip part - it's not true that consumers will never experience. Take a WILD guess why the CPU is heavily utilized when you download a game on Steam (except if your download speed is slow). Websites also deliver the HTML, CSS and JS files archived (usually gzip and brotli nowadays). Though to be fair, any normal website will only give you several MBs to decompress, which is peanuts for current gen CPUs.
Factorio isn't totally irrelevant. The game does run on a toaster, since they did awesome optimisations runs time and again over the course of 10? years it's been in development. However, if you do get to a massive base, a toaster won't cut it anymore. On that idea, I'd say that Shadow of the Tomb Raider is also irrelevant, since that game is basically maxed at 144 FPS, since it's not fast paced enough to really need more FPS. And it's not the only game. As it stands, it's good to have the widest "pallete", the largest collection of different game engines that people do play. Factorio isn't on the same popularity as all the AAA games that are used in all places, but it's still popular enough and representative for things like simulation games, management games, incremental games.
Also, what are the name of the places you trust ? Other than anandtech and phoronix, I don't know others (haven't search either, so genuinely curious if I'm missing on something good).
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator compression and decompression happen inside of a computer all the time, bud. It ain't just in WinRAR or 7z
I bought my 7800x3d october of 2023 and i paid like 350 and boy am i glad i did
Incredible price but too close to my 5800 X3D so I wait. I was so amped to get Zen 5 and then the reviews came out........................................................ X3D? Maybe. I still feel so burned by both companies. Holding onto my cash...
@@louisstanwuenjoy your 5800x3d for a few more years. It was the best purchase of your system. Get 32gb of 3600mhz cl16 if you haven’t since it’s still cheap today. Only use the two sticks though and sell off the ram you got.
@@louisstanwu How have you been burned? They redesigned the chip and nothing would please these guys.
i did too, and i sold it for $400. now im on 9800x3d
13:04 Plenty of people who don't upgrade every 3-4 years but rather after 8-10-12 years. And there aren't that many places to get info on stuff like that. That's why I love videos that compare say a decade of GPU performance, or used GPU buying guide for cards in the past x generations, or CPU scaling benchmarks over the past generations. Those kinds of big picture benchmarks that cover a decade or so, rather than just the past gen vs current gen.
Yes. I have a 7700k. Will upgrade to zen6
i did 2500k to 8700k :) tough bought 9900k pretty fast for same mobo. Now owner of 7800x3d. But in general CPU i change usually very last GPU maybe every second gens depents on the pricing.
Like me, I upgraded this time from 8th gen Intel to 12th Gen Intel.
@@VoldoronGamingmy 7700k is definitely nearly eol. Had a great 7 years so far but it's pushing it.
I never waste my money on brand new generations and their MSRP crap. Always go a gen or two back at massively discounted prices. Works a treat. Saves a ton of money.
Correct! As per 'what used to be my 'Go to Source' for PC Info: Maximum PC; One Writer/Editor asked: "Do you want this Morning's Technology or This Afternoon's?"
Not only save money, but you evade the growing pains of the new technology. Most new generations take a good year or more for stability and performance is maximized. I prefer to be a happy customer than a beta tester!
Found this comment section, I'm still on first gen i5 760 with 12gb ddr3 and a gtx1660 super, I'm a casual gamer, I'm so confused looking at the current pc parts after 14yrs, what do you guys think is the best upgrade for me? Could you pls help?
@JosephKarthic go with a MSI tomahawk b550 board with a ryzen 5700x3d. Plop in 2 x 16 for 32gb of DDR 4 3600 cl16 ram. Slot in the card of your choice and your solid. Have the same setup but 5800x3d, but the 5700x3d is much cheaper and only a few percent slower on average. Hope this helps!
@@joshschmidt8784 I have a 5700X3D CPU in my Secondary Gaming PC/w 32 CL16 Gigs of Corsair Vengeance DDR4 Memory & an XFX RX6750XT GPU.
The real question about 9800X3D isn't "Will it be fast enough to make people upgrade from 7800X3D", but "Will it be fast enough to make the people with 5800X3D upgrade". And let me tell you - there is A TON of us waiting to that launch. It's like the GTX 1080 era when no one wanted an RTX 2080 and we had to get to the RTX 3080 and 3090 before gamers started upgrading from their GTX 1080s.
5800X3D will easily outlive AM5 so need to offer better value to switch the platform
Same boat. I feel like I probably don't need the upgrade, but would also have to admit that I'd love to be proven wrong.
Exactly.
Unless you play with something better than a 4070 super, 5800X3D is good enough basically in every case.
We don't just need better CPUs that are faster by a significant margin, we also need GPUs fast enough to warrant an upgrade. We'll see what happens with new Nvidia and amd cards in January.
My 5600 does everything I need. I want something that screams I HAVE to have it.
Im here cuz you guys are positive & chill af . All the negativity & folks w/ crap attitudes can kick rocks ! Thx guys 🤘🏻🏁
Userbenchmark was a great idea and an incredible amount of effort was put into it... what a shame that it's completely worthless.
Yeah, too bad the owner seems to have had a psychotic breakdown when Ryzen launched and became completely unhinged.
GPU prices go up. Value (Performance relative to price, including older parts) goes down. Customer annoyance goes up.
Why would GPU prices increase from the 9800x3d? is this like a complement effect? ( Driers become more expensive, so do Washing Machines )
@@gulapula Multiple products can compete for the same resources (silicon), production capacity (TSMC throughput), logistics routes (shipping lanes through the Middle East), shelf space (Microcenter), etc.
That's why milk changing its price can influence cheese, egg, and even other animals' meat prices.
I only watch you guys and GN for the technical side and Jay for the more "everyman" take. Keep up the great work fellas!
Just came here to see the latest comparisons between my Core i3 10100 and the Ryzen 5 7600x, thanks for keeping my hopes alive.
10% on average to be noteworthy. 15+ before anyone on Zen 4 should consider it at this price. Finally, 1% to beat the competition
So when the 4060 was less than 10% faster than the 3060, it was a flop?
@@markhackett2302 Yes. When you go from samsungs shitty 8nm process node to a cutting edge 5 nm and can't do better that's a fucking insult. 4060ti was even worse. Not that you'd know what I'm getting at.
To be honest 10-15% is generally more in line with what I would expect normally with the more major revisions closer to 20%. The over 25% we saw is kinda an exception and not the normal, we just got spoiled by a few years of giant leaps. Kinda the same situation where everyone was spoiled on the nvidia 3000 line. You don't get those 25% leaps in performance that often. The standard is closer to 10-20 like we saw with the rtx 2000 and rtx 4000.
If you upgrade for anything less than double performance you should probably seek help 😂
Most people won't be able to notice a 50% performance increase unless they can see the FPS counter.
@@markhackett2302yes
You tested it already, you know how fast the 9800X3D is 😂
*N D A*
Good poker face tho ...
We don't know when it was recorded. Maybe at that point they actually didn't know.
@@masterdiscounts We do know when it was recorded because we asked the questions given to them..........
@@RNG-999 right, roughly 5 days ago. No idea how early AMD sends out CPUs for testing.
Honest reviewers like you are the only thing keeping the tech corporations in check. Thank you both for you genuine service.
Staving off the total cyberpunk dystopia, one blue bar graph at a time.
They already know how fast it is.
Me and my entire group of friends have been hardcore PC gamers for 6 or so years now, we all game heavy heavy. And when comparing parts for each of our new builds over the years we have used UserBenchmark quite a lot. We have only just recently in the past couple of months found out how biased they are and we have completely written off the site. But it sucks because the UI and how easy it is to use and compare is why weve always used it. Hell, My buddy outside of the close group wont believe that his 14900KS isnt as good as the 7800X3D because of that site lol. Gettting ready to build an AMD PC after Nov 7th and well see shortly. Thanks for the videos guys and thanks for covering that.
Edit: WE are casuals, Who game a shitton. Plug and play. I know the 14900KS is a great chip for gaming so please be understanding if I didn't word this great lol
14900k overclocked with ddr5 8000mts will beat 7800x3d. Plug n play 7800x3d wins and it's cheaper to. The average consumer would definitely be better with x3d chips for this reason. Be cool to see how well the 9800x3d oc as it's finally becoming a feature.
@JakeySurani interesting, appreciate the comment! We are all plug n play for the most part. Don't think any of us have overcl9cked unless it was the auto AI stuff but I don't know anything about that. Especially the guy I mentioned. I was doing heavy heavy research into my new build and was going to go with Intel and Nvidia, when I came across how good the X3D was I was talking about it with him amd he ended up getting defensive because the price difference and also when the two were released. And I get it, it doesn't "make sense" to casuals but proofs in the pudding. I've now switched to building with AMD. Using the user benchmark site I couldn't get why anyone would go with AMD when prices are similar but performance is down, well, they aren't being truthful I found out. I am very excited to see the new AMD release, though I will probably just go with 7800X3D. I've heard with new chips, BIOS updates are regular and problems could arise regardless of the company. Don't know much but i dont want to deal with that lol.
@@gstar5956motherboards nowadays have a bios flashback to update the motherboard to what you will need for 9800X3D if necessary.
Hardware unboxed made a video on all the types of am5 motherboard. You'll need that as it's very disorientated
The 14900KS IS faster than a 7800X3D in gaming. Sure, Stock speeds with Stock memory the 7800X3D does beat it by a good 10-20%, but the 14900KS overclocked, with ultrafast memory, it will be the fastest gaming option. And, the fastest productivity option. Intel actually is good for people who want BOTH productivity, gaming, and to have fun with overclocking. But yeah, Userbenchmarks sucks ass. The 14900KS will remain the king until we get the 9950X3D with 2nd Gen 3D-VCache on both CCDs making it faster in Gaming, Productivity, AND allowing for overclocking up to those superfast memory speeds which are able to beat out the sweet spot 6000 with enough raw force.
Remember, AMD is not your friend. 7800X3Ds were exploding at up to 230 Degrees in the same ASUS-built motherboards that killed the Intel Raptor Lake i9s these last few months.
@@RobloxianXthe 14900K is NOT faster than the 7800X3D lmao. Even with super fast memory the 7800X3D still wins. Also remember the 14900KS uses 160-180W in gaming, and 400W!!! In productivity. It loses to the 9950X in productivity while the 9950X uses less than half the power. Also not to mention the instability issues with 13th and 14th gen. Only a handful of AMD cpus blew up and you had to have a super specific set of things to go wrong.
Very cool lighting / postprocessing or whatnot, in your newer videos, really makes things pop
Sticking with the 5800x3d for the foreseeable future, Does everything i need it to.
I just upgraded to a 4080 super + 5800X3D from a 2070 + 3900X last month and I don’t see myself upgrading for the next 4 years minimum.
@@bustis84 4 years? thats abit of a stretch lol.
@ it’s not
@@bustis84 for me it is
I bought my 7800x3d with 32gb of ram for I believe like 320 dollars. Was one of the best purchases I ever made.
Upgraded from Amd FX 8350 to Ryzen 5800x in 2021. I envy you.
WOW!! What a Steal!! new or Used??
Micro center $450 cpu/board/ram combo enjoyers:
@@michaeloneill1360microcenter bundle is the only way to get that type of price
@@olafweyer859 I went 8350 black to 2700x, b450 crapped out. Got a micro center bundle at $480 with mobo, 7800x3d, ram. Happy I did that last november :)
24:08 **Clears throat** This doesn't sound healthy Steve...
Someone needs to release who the developers are of userbenchmark and publicly shame them
Not devs, more the owner(s) employees do what the boss says to do
I dunno about now but it 3/4 years ago it was a guy going mad and madder year over year 😂
Can I get more information on userbenchmark? I've never really used them. but I didn't know they were bad
@@josephjuanaliagavalenzuela2345look up the 7800x3d review from them, it’s pretty funny.
Isn't it literally one guy?
I built a 13600k/4070ti rig because I unknowingly trusted userbenchmark 2 years ago. Wish I had a time machine
to be fair, it's bad due to degradation, but since you have i5 it's not affected, bad thing is that you can't upgrade with used i7-i9.
@@MrEdioss from a technical point of view, i5s could also be affected, they were using the same algorith to calculate the voltage in low and medium power states in which the voltage spikes occured.
@justinpowell2400 If needed, you sell off the 13600K and get a 12900K for cheap. Also ignore MrEdioss, all Raptor Lake is effected, outlined by Intel already, and warranties extended.
@@MrEdioss Derp. Degradation affected any CPU with a 65 watt TDP or higher, as per Intel.
@@johnscaramis2515 Technically, yes. In practice, the lower current limit (and draw even when unlimited) meant the vdroop compensation on what was already a pretty voltage shy part means I'd be very surprised if anything that wasn't under XOC suffered from the 'VMin Shift' issue.
There were certainly some failures, but every product has some, and I don't think the i5's were exceptional.
I feel like Intel were being cautious including them, because not doing so would lead to another round of headlines in the event they did turn out to be impacted and they were taking a hit regardless because most people were already just talking about 'Raptor lake degradation' not 'Raptor Lake i9s and some i7s degradation' .
That thumbnail is excellent. First I saw the blue bar, then realized it's a physical f**king object in your hands with 9800x3d and "all the fps" clear on the other side of the room, man... I was not prepared.
AMD anouncement says 8% average, which sounds not that unbelivable, since they got x3d and ramp in frequency
their benchmarks might have even been more GPU restricted, so i'd say possible 6-12% on average, and if we can get some overclocking there, it might be a good one
we have already seen, that the frequency makes some games go up to 20-30% from 7800x3d while not slower in others. depending on other results, 6-12% could be a median and not average, while maximum at 30% and minimum 3%. It would be fast, but not generationaly, more like a modest sidegrade to 7800x3d that can do production programs faster and some cpu bound games faster, while loosing historical powersaving gaming role.
@@MrEdioss AMD gaming made official anouncement with tease that they are working with companies making FSR 4
from their benchmarks, it's from 1% up to 14% in best... compared to newest top intel (285K) it's from 10% up to 39% in CP2077
it will depend on games used and how you test it, base uplift in clocks should give those numbers... i think CPU is $480, 120W tdp and has 5.2ghz with same cache, but underneath the chip so it's easier to dissapate the heat, which enables overclocking
so it's jump from 4.7ghz to 5.2ghz if i recall correct, for 8% on average according to AMD official benchmarks, which this time looks plausbile overall
They could be sandbagging slightly to get rid of 7800x3d before it releases. Intel isnt as fast as 7800x3d so anything more than that looks great compared to competition. Why make your current CPU look bad? I expect some reviewers will average over 10%.
@@1Grainer1 One of AMD's slides that accompanied the announcement last week showed 26% improvement in Hogwarts Legacy over the 7800X3D and several other titles were also over 20%. So, the expected range is 1-26%, with the average being 8%.
Jay already hinted that it's really fast, which makes sense given they've solved the heat problem so can clock it like the non-x3d parts.
A 500 dollar CPU that lets you take full advantage of your 2000 dollar 5090 isn't a typical AMD stretch on launch pricing for a GPU.
Demand will be high for the first few months
Anyone who ends up with a 5090 is going to want a 9800X3D, even if they already have a 7800X3D.
Anyone who gets a 5080 and doesn't already have a 7800X3D is going to want a 9800X3D
Paid $430 for a 7800x3d about 6 weeks ago at the Walmart I work at. It was the last one they had in stock. The Best Buy next door didn’t even have one.
Damn micro center had cpu board and ram for $450 like a month ago rofl
@@joeykeilholz925 Only problem with that is when it'll cost you $600 to get there and back. Wish they'd open more stores.
Sell it for 500 and get the 9800 for 480 😂
9:10 for entertaining Userbenchmark insults
I picked up my 7800X3D for $355 last March. After seeing how this has unfolded I'm glad I pulled the trigger when I did. That CPU will last me several years with GPU upgrades along the way. The fact that you can cool it with a $35 HSF is just awesome.
I just learned about user benchmark. This is funniest thing I'm going to see all week and we all know what is happening this week.
Did you find the reference to hardware unboxed on their site? I can't find it myself and I want to see it :P
Can we get these on Spotify too? I love listening to your podcasts while walking home and would love to hear these QnA episodes on Spotify as well
TBF I had a friend who bought a 12700K over the 5800X3D when they were on the AM4, and he justified it with the 12700K being a lesser CPU bottleneck than the 5800X3D through a comparrison off of Userbenchmark, so there is some influence.
if he sold his am4, he made some guy happy with x3d chip for even cheaper.
10% out of the box, 20% when overclocked will make me happy. I have my X870E board waiting in the wings. 😇
I have a 7950x3D which is now working flawlessly for both gaming and general compute. The rumors that the 9950x3D is quite interesting and tempting but I don't know if it would justify an upgrade unless AMD can raise clocks on it to 5.5ghz
I wonder if they will be able to have X3D cache on all core chips now that they moved it underneath the cores, maybe it will be a monster the 9950X3D, with both speed and fast large L3 memory!?
I will stick with my 7950x3d. The only thing that interests me is cooler and less hungry . My current one can’t pdo more than -10 undervolt and gets warm. But is fast for everything else
@@Bratfalken Yeah have to wait and see what it has.
@@timothygibney159 understandable, non of the previous X3D's has officially been overclockable.
One thing I think you're completely ignoring is the fact that retailers have switched to pre-orders on the 7800X3D and they're flying off the shelves. I finally scored one last week through Best Buy when another window opened up after missing about a half dozen previous ones. Canada Computers has been doing the same thing: they're taking preorders and they're selling out. Fall semester students with loads of disposable cash were/are building PCs and they're going for the current goat, especially now with the current state of Core Ultra, the 14th gen stability issue and then Zen 5 being a bit of a flop.
Also, love seeing Tim getting so fired up! 😂
The 9800x3D is about to sit in most people’s rigs for about the next 4-5 years
For sure it will sit. Because AMD stopped producing other X3D parts so a more expensive but (potentially) not faster Zen 5 part won’t have any competition.
I'm going from 6700K to 9800X3D, so probably tens years for me. haha
Yeah. Feels like the gravy train is coming to a stop. So I wouldn't expect any big improvements from AMD, not for a long(er) time, and not for good value.
I think a +10% is reasonable, and an MSRP of USD $450 is okay, as long as the street-price hits below $400. It will potentially do more for productivity tasks, and give you an efficiency boost.
I sure hope it will considering it's going to cost, what, like 750 bucks?
@@wopwops0482 yoooo same here 6700K to 9800X3D.🤝🔥.
I didn’t originally notice the little Q&A in the still image and wasn’t interested in the main story so I almost missed the previous video.
Having Q& A in the video title might help?
I require a large amount of vram to do artificial intelligence stuff. And I also want a good gaming card for 4K gaming. The flagship Nvidia GPU unfortunately, is my only choice.
Amd cards just do not play nice with the programs I'm trying to run.
You’re doing it right when you have merch for your hobby
i'm really tempted to upgrade from a 5800X3D.
Watching this on October 41. Great video.
User Benchmark is very easy to use and understand. If a legit group put together something similar it would be awesome. Really was hoping LTT Lab was gonna do something similar.
UB is trash with absoute numbers due to their bias, however they are quite easy and accurate when it comes to e.g. relative comparisons within the same CPU manufacturer or relative comparisons between GPUs. The bias seems to be a little bit less on GPUs, the results are reasonable when comparing to other sites.
As long as you are aware of that, UB is quite useful.
"Linus much better information" thanks for that best laugh I have had in years.
For 479$, at least 10-15% compared to the 7800X3D at MRSP.
If you compare a 20% uplift to be worth it.
That is also why AMD is raising the price of all X3D, so the 9x00X3D look better on price/perf then 7x00X3D.
Theyre raising prices because people are buying amd over intel due to 13th 14th gen degrade gate. and 200 series actually regressed in performance, in gaming anyway.
People are selling used 7800 for 300-400 in Europe which is... you know...
@@Raizan-IOi saw one sold at €220 (the x3D model)
@@Raizan-IO There is no AMD CPU with 7800. You mean either the 7700 or 7800X3D.
There aren't that many on Ebay, only a few at that price.
And you have to beware not to get a fake one, there are many floating around.
@@gucky4717 well yeah but if making 9800x3D look good was their only aim, they could've released for 450 or 400$. The purpose was to raise profits across the lineup.
your job is to make me feel better about my purchase!!! (it's an X3D i'm so smart!)
Needs to be fast as fuck
Do you do it at 4.7ghz?
@@Shahzad12357 nah 5.2 💀
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 6.9 🤭
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat base speed is 4.7 sir 5.2 is boost speed🙏
@@Shahzad12357 I meant he does it at 5.2
My latest build, I bought a 7500F as a replacement for my target 7800X3D, the 7800X3D basically disappeared from all computer stores, e-commerce websites in my country, even though the CPU was made in my country. Currently, the 7500F pairs with the 4070 Ti Super. Will probably be replaced by a 9800X3D in the future.
In my opinion, you should just wait a bit!
@ i want to, but i already sold my old build to get budget for my new build, and i need pc to gaming with 🤣
@@syabil3654 you're right, man,,,enjoy your build! 👍
It needs to run Cities Skyline 2 at 60fps 1080p with 1M population
XD
Or starfield at 720p without sub 20fps dips.
or Valorant at 2000fps on CRT
😂 i use a 7800x3d for Cs2 its locked at 100%
I am gonna upgrade from i9-9900 KS. Can't wait!
To be fair a 10% margin on average is a bit of a far fetched for me. Just make it the same MSRP and more efficient and better tuned out of the box. 7-8% uplift with more efficiency and allowing us more control with PBO and overclocking and I’ll be okay with it. Just make it what Zen 5 wasn’t on launch - an actual improvement.
It will be very hard to improve on efficiency considering that 7800x3D is already crazy efficient. 5-7% performance improvement is basically a refresh territory, not a new generation territory
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 I agree. If it is any slower than the 8% claimed by AMD, I'll be disappointed.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Agreed, but considering Zen 4 to Zen 5 was barely an improvement in terms of performance, I’m not expecting the X3D parts to be wildly different in terms of performance, certainly not in the 2 digit percentages on averages (unless the new 3D V-Cache geometrical layout actually makes a massive difference).
i with the ability to oc, it will worth the price, just need better cooler or deliding and maybe we can get 15% uplift
Doing the math with the price increase, the 9800X3D HAS to be more than 6.7% faster in the MINIMUM CASE SCENARIO for it to be an actually faster CPU. (449x1.066815145=479). It would then have to be double that for it to be considered a real upgrade.
So these are our numbers:
13.4% faster at minimum for the 9800X3D to be considered a *meaningful* upgrade (That's 120FPS to 136FPS),
6.7% faster at minimum for the 9800X3D to be considered *an* upgrade (That's 120 to 128FPS),
Anything under that, the 9800X3D is Dead On Arrival.
I am now on 5900X and I am potential buyer for 9800X3D, because in recent time I have reduced my productivity loads (heavy multithreaded calculation for PhD, now done in mainly in cloud) and are more of a gamer on my desktop. However I am mainly indie or 4K single player title gamer, where I think the my 5900X is still doing pretty well. I am tempted to go 64GB DDR5 from 32GB DDR4 that I currently run, but then again probably not necessary. 9800X3D needs to be price competitive while maintaining nice leadership to convince me of buying.
The upcoming Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 has 64Gb as recommended, having "too much" RAM has never been a bad thing since my first build in 2013, it keeps it working longer for new titles. Finding the right mem to fill the slots later get's harder as the market dwindles for older parts.
I think those of us with fairly maxed out AM4 systems are in need of a GPU before a whole new platform. AM5 needs its "3600" moment
4080 performance for $500 US or as close as I can get to that within the next year. That's what I'm looking for now to go with my AM4/5700X3D/32GB system.
It's likely to be the next AM6 boards, not the AM5. The 9000s are for those upgrading from a 7600 to a 9800 or 9800X3D or whose board is just giving up the ghost.
@@brianwelch7731 I’m in the same boat. Loving my 5700x3D and looking for an upgrade from this 3070
"that's being hard on the flat earthers" is the sickest burn I've ever heard.
please add chapters to the timeline
Im working/gaming with my old "Gaming"PC from 2016 (i7-6700, upgraded to GTX 1660 Super, upgraded 32GB DDR4 RAM).
Running on Windows 10, that can't upgrade to Win 11 i'm just waiting for the EoL Support on my Windows 10 System October 14th 2025.
As soon as i can get a good deal in 2025 for a Ryzen 7 9800X3D and a RTX5070, im getting a new Gaming Beast XD. I'm soo excited :D
If it isn't fast enough to beat the 7800X3D by 15% in gaming, then the launch price is offensive considering the 7800x3d was no more than 349 for months.
If a brand new successor just makes you regret not buying the previous model while it was readily available, it's a bad deal.
Another informative video guys, great as always. The previous low prices on 7800 X3D were overlooked by me and I don't regret not getting one. I waited years for Zen 5 reading all the speculation about how massive the uplift was going to be.......... Crushed by disappointment and destined to wait possible years more. Sigh. Ok, RX 8800 XT/ 8900 XT is all I care to wait for at this time... If we get 7900 XT performance for five Benjamin's, I'm in. My 6800 XT is fast enough until then. Are you listening AMD?
In my part of the world... Prices of 7800XDs spiked to almost $600 a few weeks ago. Over double what I paid for my own 2-3 months back. Back then the average price was $441. But I paid $363 in what I highly assume was a pricing error on the retailers part.
Right now the average price is sitting at $543 so its dropped ever so slightly but still pretty high. I definitely wouldnt of upgraded to AM5 for that price. It would have eaten up too much of the budget for the build.
Almost 600 is not over double 363...
Bless your heart
I got a 7600x3d last month (couldn't afford the build this summer) and it's been phenomenal. I doubt I'll have any use for the 9800x3d, although if it dips down around $300 like the 7800x3d did in a year or two, I might pick it up and sell my 7600x3d to a friend who's still on Zen 3. Could be a win/win deal.
As a 7600x user, I will be upgrading. Bought the 7600x as a placeholder waiting for 9800x3D as the 7800x3D wasnt enough of an upgrade over the 7600x.
@BoatMurderedDF I'd still give it some serious thought if you're not already on a 4080 Super or higher. I build 7500F regularly, and you don't really see a meaningful uplift in gaming with a 7800X3D unless I test with a high end card at 1080P.
You'll be waiting a few more years 😂😂😂
If you're above 1080p a 7600X will do you fine, and if you're at 1080p 165Hz like me it'll still be fine lmao
I have done the same but with a R7 7700 that I got from AliExpress for $190 lol. It's so good that I am not upgrading it😄. I do 4k 120Hz gaming on 4080.
I always go straight to youtube check you guys, GN steve, Linus, Jayz for fps benchmarks at my target resolution (and especially in more CPU bound games since I play WoW and I couldn't care less if I don't play max on a few games that I do casually anyway) then I write the results on an excel and calculate the percentage delta using the less powerful upgrade as a base (also compare it to my own rig base to see if it's even worth the upgrade or Im simply buying "new shiny" ) and then I see what price I can the CPU / GPU in my country and compare the price to performance ratio as a start. Then I review technology stuff like DLSS and if Im willing to pay extra for that and how much is it. This has made me build better value rigs than my friends by a good amount of cash for years.
LOL, don't wanna drag conspiracy theory people to UserBenchmark crazy level? SHOTS fired bros!
Addition after finishing the vid: Yeah, so with so much processing being offloaded to CPU, now that GPU is constantly being bottlenecked, game dev will have to retool and start using matrix calculations rather than Floating point or SSE.
2 of the most obvious areas are global illumination (UE5 & Creation Engine) and NPU AI. Physics in Creation Engine is also CPU based I think... Both can utilise AVX.
However, some commenter in this channel mentioned current gen consoles cannot make use of AVX due to Zen 2/3 limitations so AVX will probably come only for PC gaming in the near-term. AVX may come for PS6 or XBOX.next.
haha shots fired? Everyone at this point knows UserBenchmark is complete and utter trash.
@Hardwareunboxed maybe Userbenchmark don't? 😂
@@erictayet I'm quite sure they know... somehow. If all other HW UA-camrs have completely different results than you, that usually makes you thinking. Especially since their evaluation methods are (at least to my knowlede) not documented.
On the other hand, they could be like the guy listening to traffic announcement and muttering "one wrong-way driver? Hundreds!"
@@johnscaramis2515 I think the general consensus is they think they're right hence HUB openly calling them crazy.
I will call them delusional. They are the ultimately fanpeople, SEO users and click baiters.
It may not show in current games all that well but AVX512 perf on zen 5 is👌🤌nice. Feels like zen -> zen 2 all over again.
7:13 Glad I watched this Q&A or I wouldn't have known to go back in time and buy a 7800X3D at $340 USD. Thanks, Steve.
I saw it real time and it sucks because I was going to buy it the following week but it went up to 450 then 590 then 700 and stayed until a few weeks ago for 480 and now 500 so 9800x3d it is on launch day
I feel like people really need to stop setting the requirements for each generation of tech to be successful as "good enough to be worth discarding the thing you just bought 1-2 years ago"
Like, I'm perfectly happy to buy a 9800x3d to replace my 12600K. And if I hadn't waited and bought a 7800x3d for $350? I'd be happy that I bought a similar chip for much cheaper, and in both cases, I have a good shot of being able to upgrade the cpu in 2-4 years w/o touching the rest of the pc
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The 12600k is a good CPU. It is very efficient with general desktop usage and snappy response. If you are on DDR5 with your 12600k I would rather look at getting a 14600k and save money. Get whatever comes after the 9800X3D. I have custom 12500 office PC that I would not trade for AMD. My gaming setup I had a 5950x downgraded to 5800X3D and now currently on R7 7700. The 12600k is much more responsive than the 5800X3D. What I can take from this is that I prefer higher clocked CPU's on AMD to be responsive. I play at 4k 120Hz so the CPU does not impact the performance that much as the GPU will most likely be the biggest bottleneck.
Well, I'm swapping platforms (From Intel to AMD) this go around. I thought about buying a 7800X3D at the current price or just getting the 9800X3D and decided to wait and I'm glad I did. With the overclockability of the 9800X3D that amount of bump I'll be able to get by just unlocking PBO will be enough of a boost that its more than worth waiting for it.
Zen 5 is only considered a flop when you look at windows performance. Even on 24h2 it had a huge uplift over zen 4 on 23h2 and Linux was great uplift. AMD probably compared the admin mode running zen 5 to normal mode running zen 4 and got that 16% IPC.
My guess is original IPC numbers for zen5 was them testing Epyc. For server workloads on Epyc that number is pretty much on point. The server stuff is what drives the architecture development and for zen5 server/laptop probably was the focus even more. Desktop was in the bag anyways. And In previous gens their server IPC increase roughly translated to desktop as well, so expecting that on desktop as well sounds like a reasonable assumption. Though it still baffles me that they don't seem to run solid benchmarks before finalizing their release marketing and review guides. It always sounds like the AMD guys doing the actual proper benchmarking are seeing those parts for the first time just like reviewers.
probably their old release data from 7,000 series.
Steve's work ethic is the reason he got into a job which is not even a job but rather a hobby. Good for you Steve. Sadly I'm on the opposite side.
Fast enough for that one dude playing on 1080P with a 4090.
knowing how bad modern games run, that is justified
why just one? so many people play with dlss on.
some even claim its better than native.
Probably because "native" is not nvidia only feature
@@TheKirik71 those who claim its better than native are probably people that need glasses
11:10 "Is it being hard on the flat-earthers?" is a slam I was not expecting from y'all. *Damn*.
Zen 5%
Honestly, im fine with the small performance bump, as I see it we don't need / cant expect huge gains EVERY YEAR. It'll be a bit faster, it'll support OC and it should be cooler with the rearrangement of the CCD and cache dyes.
7800X3D ppl shouldn't upgrade anyway, this should be for 5800X3D / Intel ppl.
We already know it's quite a bit more than 10% in gaming, especially compared to Intel's latest 285K. The issue is the price. while $479 USD is a minor bump, I've been told good luck finding one for less than $550 at launch, and I need many as a builder. Looks like I'll be waiting.
Hey I love using User Benchmark, I get a nice full belly laugh with every great AMD cpu review.
The problem is reviewers always go to the highest performance card for their benchmarks which feeds into people feeling they need that product even if the price is outrageous similar to the 4080 Super vs the 4090.
Well that gives you a clear view of what is the limit of those cpus or gpus in best scenario, then is easy to extrapolate the potential of certain combo if you've seen many benchmarks, reviewers cannot test with infinite combinations. It wouldn't make sense to test with bottlenecks as then many cpus/gpus would look the same then.
@@guille92h Agreed but you missed what my statement was referring to when they were discussing the prices of the upcoming GPU's if reviewers always go to the Halo product it creates a feeling of need for gamers who most likely cannot afford it due to its outrageous price. Similar to the 4080 super you can find around 1k for a founders vs the 4090 super that typically goes for 1900+ in the US market. The reviewers are doing their due diligence but in doing so they are feeding into the emotional response people have when they feel they have something inferior.
@@Massacari The entire GPU lineup has a similar level of markup. The presence of the 4090 in comparison videos hasn't made the masses sell their 3060s, most sales have been in the low to mid tier GPUs. Plus I don't think people are going to forget about the 4090 and their emotional reaction abates, they just have to learn to be better consumers.
Not true…. I Watch HU, GN and my gpu is old 5700xt… the second best gpu after 1080ti considering the price… both less than $600 that is fine price for gpu… Not getting 4090 or 5090 because… they are just prices over what I think sensible…
I have a 5800x3d. I think the 9800x3d is for me. Doubt many 7800x3d owners will upgrade. Heres hoping for a quick price drop.
For anyone wondering, 7800x3d has been below $300 this year. 9800x3d msrp is $480. So, not factoring in discounts for the 9800x3d because I think it's going to sell well in the first couple months of release despite the US will be in the holiday sales season, you will determine the performance increase necessary for a $180 increase in price, and this not including the even more expensive motherboards. I would say there is no way 9800x3d can live up to the hype for a $200 increase in cost.
Yes I know there is no way to buy a 7800x3d around $300 anymore, but this is for comparison purposes.
Why would you need a more expensive motherboard?
The TDP is the same, so anything that can handle a 7800X3D should be able to handle a 9800X3D. You can use 9000 series with B650 after a BIOS update
@@Hennerbo You CAN but it's not the best case. And bios updates are scary to do. Most people won't know how and want to take that risk. Plus if your going ot upgrade you might as well get all the new bells and whistles.
@@Hennerbo For those that are buying the new 870 along with the cpu.
@Caveman787 BIOS updates aren't hard or scary at all. The online tutorials are, like, 2 minutes long. Pop a flash drive in, format it, download the latest BIOS for your motherboard model, and most boards have Ezflash these days. Downloading a new BIOS in 2004 may have been a little more spooky, but today, the MOBO takes care of 99% of it as long as you get the flash drive in the right USB slot. 😂 Even my cheap B450 board had a marked ezflash slot and button.
It's been selling as good as it ever has even near $500. People's memory is short. It'll sell very well and you will like it
It's pretty simple, if you have a 7800X3D then don't buy the 98, but if don't have the 78 already then obviously buy the 98
So early that Intel is still at the bottom of the Lake
bottom of the lake? is that the name of their next release?
@@stephenallen4635 I bet they'll call it Excalibur Lake
Many people in the comments, and even every reviewer... Why is it a "flop" if it is lets say the claimed 8% over 7800x3D? You know... not everyone upgrades every year. Some only upgrade every 5 to 7 years. To those people, it'll be way more than 8% uplift in performance.
This is the mentality reviewers get into. They only see gen over gen, not the reality of people spending money on computers. I don't know what % of people keep upgrading every new generation, but I'm willing to bet it it's in the single digits. Hell, my last jump was from an Intel 4790k to a Ryzen 5800x. And now I'm debating jumping from that to a 9800x3D.
I'm willing to say that to be considered a flop, 10% isn't the number for previous generation. That only affects those who upgrade every new generation, and that's a terrible mentality to have. If the newer CPUs can't go over 10% from 2 generations ago, then there's a problem. And that's why Intel has been underwhelming.
I'm more interested in the difference between the 5800x3D and the 9800x3D. That'll tell me how much the upgrade will be worth it. Even if I have the non 3D-VCache.
520€ is so scammy when you could get 7800X3D for 330-350€ for Months
Give 9800x3d half year and will be close to this...
Yes, because AMD allow prices to go down over time at retailers. Intel don't allow prices to go down. Are you saying AMD should force prices to stay the same over time, like Intel do? It's a GOOD thing that AMD hardware gets cheaper over time. It's one of the reasons Ryzen got such high adoption from DIY builders.
yea the price went to the mars almost
In Germany the 7800X3D costs 470€ rn... it increased in value significantly after the Ryzen 9000 Series were released
@@marcinkarpiuk7797only if the market in your region will self adjust the price, from where I am from unless the launch is flopped to a disaster degree, do not expect price drop until a month or 2 after the successor is released.
You guys might be my fav reviewers.
10% faster for the same price to be not considered a flop is sad as fuck
Who TF would go all out in 2nd generation
Pretty likely going to be more of Zen 5%
285k is 5 percent behind. So 9800x3d would be 15 percent faster if only 10.
If they got it 20 percent or 15 percent better than 7800 x3d that would be obvs better. But still would be almost 20 percent better than new intel 285k. For 150 bucks more.
"On no! My CPU only gets 400FPS+ in a video game!"
It's like the 2010's Intel era all over again.
next april fools can you do a hardware re-boxed where you just box things up. maybe turn it into a giveaway or something idk
Good thumbnail. Will bring many clicks
I feel like the youtube boxing trend needs to invade the PC hardware review space, so we can get Tim vs UserBenchmark in a cage match.
7800X3D went so fast in price due to Intel not bringing anything to the table. If Intel had intoruduced something better than the 7800X3D, AMD wouldn't never be able to sell that so expensive. This for all you court jesters out there cheering for one company to fail, this is the result we will get, this is just a sneek peek what is about to happen and you have only yourself to blame. Good luck.
Laughing at Intel didn't distract their engineers. Causality, man. Causality.
that %25 uplift from 5800x3d to 7800x3d was also ddr4 to ddr5 ram impacting it
For the 9800 X3D I would like to see 7W less power consumption at idle. This would be great even with only 2% more perfomance.
Feeling sorry for Intel are we! ;)
Sold my 7800x3d today. Hoping to get an even cooler, quiter system with the new stacking design, and a nice flowbump with that 31% better 1% lows. Think that will be more noticeable than the 8ish % on top.
If you watched the recent Jayz2cents Intel video, he did hint that 9800X3D is looking very very good.
Now we'll find out in a few days whether its of a level where Vegeta crushes his scouter
not going to lie king, Jay doesn't know what he's talking about half the time, most of it is recycled crap from headlines and reddit posts
Jay2c is a tech doofus.
@@PelonixYT Yeah, I was kind of shocked how clueless he was when trying to OC the new intel 285. Sure it's a new architecture and all that, but Der8auer figured it out as well because he actually knows his shit. Jay was clueless and didn't bother to educate himself before making that video as well. Seeing that really made me question his takes more than I already did before.
@@123Suffering456he has a boomer brain 😢
@@MegaChickenPunchdo you know what a boomer is?
He’s Gen x at best but he’s half Gen Y
My wife and I were looking to upgrade, and I was debating on either 14700k or the 7800x3d, but the latter is now over $500. The 9800x3d will either hopefully be the same price, or at least cause the 7800xed to go down in price. We're both running 9600ks for reference.
I bought two 7800x3D’s under £300 a couple of months ago……..
and now you want a cookie? 🍪
@ thank you.
I wonder if 9900X3D and 9950X3D would be any better because they should now put 3D V-cache on all 12 and 16 cores. But then again I feel like anything better than 8 cores wont see a big improvement in gaming
09:07 You guys suck 😂😂 Fire to Userbenchmark 🔥🔥🔥
User benchmarks still seems to rank aspects of products that should not be ranked. For example, higher core count is a net positive regardless of the individual performance of each core, even though it is not doing testing specific to workloads that benefit heavily from the extra cores. In terms of gaming, it shows the core i7 14700K being vastly faster than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, and that conclusion is heavily influenced by the higher clock speed and higher core count of the 14700K. In reality, the 7800X3D is a better gaming CPU while the 14700K is a significantly better CPU for workstation and highly threaded workloads that can be completed asynchronously. The issue is that a user looking to build a gaming PC with a focus on just gaming and content consumption, will not get that nuance, instead they will come away thinking the Intel CPU is twice as good while being much cheaper. In fact, the user would even consider the Core i5 14600K to be a good amount faster than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, even though pretty much all other major reviews are showing the 7800X3D beating the 14900K in gaming (with the exception of a select few games).