The First Sliver vs Thassa, Deep-Dwelling vs Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Muldrotha EDH / CMDR game play
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*As with many videos, I made a mistake in my narration. I mistakenly said Matty drew cards from Thassa's Oracle. This was not the case, he instead picked one and put it on top. I reviewed the raw footage and he played it correctly. My bad!*
Great work as always bro
Best EDH video ever, well worth the effort!
would you ever post deck lists for these decks? I am teaching the game to my students and one is interested in making a niv mizzet deck and is curious what Kyle put in his
@@alexplambeck8791 Kyle's list is floating around in the comments. The others I am still tracking down.
Got it !
This was a great episode. Sorry it was so rough to edit but it was great entertainment
Quick note on 30:12 : Vandalblast shouldn't been able to target Kyle's Sol Ring, since he is the controller of the Vandalblast and it says "Target artifact you don't control"
Yea, I mention that in my summary. I wasn’t at the game so I couldn’t comment as it was happening.
@@MTGMuddstah Oh, really? I didn't noticed that you said it, my bad!
Matty went full "that annoying blue player" lol. Solid deck.
Its pretty hard to make a mono blue deck that isnt solid
This is my favorite game, felt like anyone could've won it at any turn.
Right?! That is exactly what commander should be. There were lots of triggers and interaction and it's awesome no mistakes were make.
This game probably last over two hours... that’s to much for me personally. But was enjoyable to watch for a fraction of that.
I have definitely been a participant in games that last 3-4 hours and it becomes quite a slog. Not my favorite, either, but sometimes the level of interaction just keeps things going!
I do like it when games are the same power level. Especially when it's mid-low power decks that win via skill and not one powerful card
@@alexstoltz1520 Longest I've seen a paper game last (I didn't play) was 4 hours 50 longest online edh game I played myself was 6 hours 30 3 chaos decks (one mono white) and an Eldrazi deck. My favorite games end up being 12+ turns and 2+ hours
No Ancestral Vision in The First Sliver is criminal! You can cascade from a one drop Sliver into guaranteed draw 3 cards if it is your only 0 cmc spell. Love the gameplay as always!
Or living end, a 0 cmc rock, etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 Kinda new to this, how exactly does cascade work? From what I have read I understood it as; As long as you cascade to a sliver you can continue to cascade (with The First Sliver already in play). What stopped him from cascading after drawing the first Striking Sliver?
@@jmcwherterx he had no costs underneath it like 0 cmc spells
This is one of the best games I have ever seen on your channel. I love longer edh games with lots of interaction and different strategies. Particularly liked watching the Muldrotha and Niv decks. The Masterpiece Noxious Gearhulk is such a nice piece of bling too!
Me too thanks (long games not the commanders) the locust god and jori en are my style of izzet and I haven't played sultai in a long time do to certain cards making sultai no longer a weird pile of cards that no one knows what they are doing
The Twitter warning still didn’t prepare me for the 32 minute video
This the most intense one I've seen from your channel. That ending was not how expecting this game to end but glad it was there to pack after the length of this game.
Kyle was chill for most of the game while everyone else bashed each others heads in. As a niv player myself, I prefer a more aggressive stance on account of board hate usually coming this way.
I am Kyle, I usually am more aggressive as well, but there wasn't a ton of board hate coming at me, so I just held onto the evacuation until I there was lethal being swung at me, but because of the speed the first sliver can have, I needed to hold it up and not jam out Niv. I believe I ending drawing a bunch of lands that game as well, so I always lacking on interaction in my hand until the end of the game, but I could be wrong there, the game was over a year ago.
@@archon458 Yeah I can see that now that I pay closer attention, that play where you bounced niv with the wipe was that because you were desperate for some answers or were you trying to be more efficient with the card draw?
@@CMAzeriah It was over a year ago, so I'm super sure what my reasoning was. I think I played niv for the card draw but had him bounced with it, because if he was on an empty board against the Muldrotha, Sam would just recast a creature from his graveyard and kill Niv while I lacked any way to protect him. That's at least why I think I did it that way
@@archon458 plague crafter. Gotta love be it.
@@CMAzeriah That's what I think I thought would happen. I know when I play the deck (which isn't due to rona) Protect the Niv is the main gameplan
When resolving the Villainous Wealth and casting Aetherflux Reservoir, etc., Sam should not have gained any life from it. With Villainous Wealth you put all the spells on the stack before any of them resolves, meaning the Reservoir would not yet be out when he cast the other spells and thus not get any cast triggers.
@Varler Yeah, that's it. You can choose the order in which you cast them and thus that they resolve but you cast them all at the same time.
6:52 newbie mistake. He could've cast Time Stop in response to the first sliver (if Trevor had chosen to play it). That would counter both the First Sliver AND the cascade ability.
Always good to see similar power level decks duke it out especially if they are mid -low power ty goblin lord ( :
Great job! Misusing that Insidious Will at the end there...I’ve seen that happen soooo many times, including by me. A player gets in the lead and is super close to a win. He’s got an embarrassment of riches and several answers (often counterspells). So he just starts getting lazy and countering everything, not realizing or remembering that his opponents (this late in the game) can win out of nowhere. Gotta save your answers for the only the most important spells, because when you’re in the lead and/or close to a win, you are playing Archenemy, basically (you’re playing against 3 hands).
This same thing happened in one of our games the other day. The only blue deck at the table (Elsha the Infinite) was super close to a win. All he had to do was get Elish Norn off the field so he could play his Etherium Scultpor and draw his whole deck with Sensei’s Divining Top. The Elsha player had a ton of good stuff in play...Jeskai Ascendancy, Top, Aetherflux Reservoir, and more. He used his last 3 mana during one turn cycle to Disallow a Disenchant that was targeting his Aetherflux (the Aetherflux was not critical. He had other wincons, plus Academy Ruins in play to get it back, and he was around 45 life). Now, that was on the Elish Norn player’s turn, and it was my turn next (it would be Elsha’s turn after mine, but now he’s tapped out) and I’m playing Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord “fling huge creatures at the table.” And I had a ton of mana and basically hadn’t done anything the whole game, and just had a lonely 0/1 Beast Whisperer and a ton of lands in play. With the window finally open (ie, the blue player tapped out), I simply cast my commander, then bestowed a Nighthowler onto Beast Whisperer and sacced it to Jarad. 35 points of damage to each opponent.
Control rule #2 counter only what can kill you. Control rule #1 patience is the wincon.
That poor Scuttlemutt. He just wants to join the party, but he kept getting bounced then finally countered
Ain't no party like a scuttle party
Was it so dangerous?
apparently a must needed to be answered threat
That's how a game of Commander should play out. Crazy game. Thanks Andrew for sharing it with us.
I see why Niv's cmc is so crazy. I have a deck with him and with cards like hullbreacher/wheels, jace, and all his machine gunning.....he's pretty crazy.
CMC is being renamed to "mana value", by the way. :)
@@DarkEinherjar omfg no
@@DarkEinherjar I'll never stop saying cmc
Great game Muddstah! This is the content I subbed for :)
so nice to see a fellow sliver deck^^
What a crazy game lol. Would love to see all of the lists, but primarily the Slivers and Thassa. That is one of the craziest Thassa games I've seen in a long time lol.
Probably the best game I can remember from your channel. Great decks and great plays. GJ all around
Glad you enjoy it!
I like the Vilis and arcanis the omnipotent wins more but this is quite deece ( :
This was super fun, great video!
Best EDH game I’ve seen on your channel!
Its one of the best casual games i have ever seen! Great game and respect for all comment.
i love the edits, definitely earned a subscribe!!
Wow, this is an intense game. Everyone is hanging in there, duking it out against everyone else. Great game.
Great game. Worth the effort you put into it.
Seeing a First sliver deck stop cascading at a 1 mana sliver because they don't have ancestral visions or lotus bloom breaks my heart.
Or living end, another o cmc rock etc...
@@kingfuzzy2 living end sucks, since if you are cascading all the way down to 0 you already have the first sliver out and generally you don't want to sac your commander.
@@pixelbomb97 just was mentioning it as an example there are other 0 cmc suspend cards that I agree are better. I play reanamator a ton so wouldn't mind personally saccing him.
Wow, this is such a Game!
A lot of interaction and comebacks. My favorite game of the year.
I love longer games as long as there's interaction that makes it go longer. This was a good game
Me too thanks and you also get to learn more about the other players perspectives in situations you've seen yourself in before
Maybe it took so long because all of them were playing BLUE
Ah, as it should be.
🎶🎵🎶I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7🎶
I'm blue
Da ba dee, da ba die x7 🎶🎵🎶
That’s exactly why
Would love to see some lists soon if possible! :)
Bravo Muddstah, best game in a while.
The surge does so much work in my Arixmethes deck.
This was such a great game. That Thassa deck was mean, and the Sliver deck was a Lotta fun to watch
My arixmethes deck is weenies so surge wouldn't do much unfortunately
Damn, im getting my innerpeace with this. TY
Oh boy, what a game!!! Loved it!
This is the best game on this channel. Awesome.
I watched every minute of this game! Thanks
Great episode! Looked like a slugfest but a fun one to watch!
Was sad to go back to school today but this cheered me up:)
How could you be sad to go back to school? I would love that
At 7:12 Sam couldn't play tribe elder from Graveyard, becouse muldrotha allows only 1 type of permanent each turn. He already played Plaguecrafter that turn
They catch that soon after
ITs worth it, this is such a good game to watch. KEep up the good work
So many responses it was great!!
I'm here for the early train!!
Great game and editing!
Long videos are a blast!!!
For people who want to play the first sliver, I highly recommend playing a couple of suspend cards ranging from ancestral visions to the suspend cards from modern horizons sets. They tend to be quite strong and will be an auto hit off of 1 drop slivers
This is what happens when you bring four blue decks to the table, battlecruiser magic
Tight battle of wits and tactics that include one or the other player becoming the archenemy.
One of the best games on the channel!
This video made me want to play Commander! What a game!
I thought I knew where the background music was from, I’m playing it in orchestra right now!
Hey there, what an amazing episode! I don't usually comment, but now I reeeeally wanna try out a control deck that plays similarly to the thassa deck. So could you please get a deck list of it? Thank you for your great work!
If you are playing first sliver you should be playing the "0" mana spells like ancestral recall etc. They are a free roll
love the big cards in the Thassa's deck
The Thassa deck and Niv-Mizzet deck were fun to watch
I love how each deck performed great, it must have been crazy being in that game. How long did it last?
2 hours and 52 minutes, it was very a long game
2hrs52mins
@@archon458 that seems low to what playgroups I'm in consider a long game ( ;
@@kingfuzzy2 same. We average 12.5 turns in my playgroup. Which can be as short as 1 hour and some change to being over 3. Depends on how late we stay up and how many beers were are drinking.
right on ( : longest game ive had is 6 hours 30 and deffo one of the funnest if not the funnest gasme ive ever had shortest 20 mins (no one drew interaction)
9:01 "who take the hit"
damn I should say takes
"who takes the hit"
Nailed it. -> *doesn't fix it in editing*
=/
Great vid keep it up
That’s what happens when you listen to the same thing over and over again. You miss stuff. Sorry!
@@MTGMuddstah don't apologize, it adds flavor to the video. You said this one was a long one so tiny errors are expected and do not detract from the game
Nice, would love to see the d3cklist for the thassa deck. I have built and rebuilt mine and I am never satisfied. This one looked sweet
Ye more recursion than you have spells of that type is pretty sick also a ton of card selection instead of draw is even better
12:33 Villanous Wealth puts all spells on the stack before any of them resolve (it would say "you may cast them till end of turn" otherwise). This means he would not have gained any life from any of these, as they had all been 'cast' before Aetherflux resolved.
Can somebody explain the win con with splinter win ? I was so lost.
This cant be 2019 if thassa, deep dwelling wasnt released until january 2020 in theros...
still no news on the lists ? :( would really love to the that thassa, its so different
What is the deck list for the first sliver commander deck
Making a Niv and definitely got to see a lot of good gameplay here for strategy : ) peace
I didnt expect to see that much counter spells in a Comander game.
Holy that was a roller coaster.
Hi, would you be able to share trevor’s slivers deck list?
I’m a simple man, I see Niv Mizzet and I click
kind of the same for me. I don't see same old Tymna or Thrasios and I click
I feel for that player though. Dude didn't do shit all game it felt like.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I am the player. The main thing that happened was I could be killed on almost any turn, but I had the evacuation, so I had to keep it up the whole time, meaning I couldn't develop with niv until much later on. Its definitely not how I want the game to go
@@archon458 ahh that's what's up. I was wondering what you were doing. I thought you just had terrible luck on your draws.
@@MrMintyfreshsmell I don't recall having the best luck during the game. So I was really just trying to buy time for myself. Ended up working in the end, but that was also just do to everyone being too tired and getting sloppy. I know I had one or two counter spells in hand at the end their, but Matty throwing the Will at vandal blast definitely gave me the que to go for it.
It wasn't a great game for how the deck wants to play, as typically it rushes out Niv tries to control the board, but I never had the option play Niv safely until later on
Any chance we can see Decklists? I also run Thassa and would love to compare.
Great game!
What is the purpose of the scuttlemutt in the sliver deck?
This table looks so good to play at, paying rhystic study triggers. Wish my play group would.
Shouldnt muldrotha not be able to bring back sakura tribe elder and plaguecrafter in the same turn sibce theyre both creatures?
Nvm they picked up on it
nice game, i liked it. guys, remember that ciclonyc rift with overload said "each" and the slivers had pro blue. they cant be target from blue 20:45 sorry to my bad english, I hope you undertand to me. Bye. I enjoy see you
Each and Target are not the same, so his Slivers still got bounced.
I wonna build first sliver Atm would be nice to know what arena in the list from the one Player.
Dont forget 0 cost spells
Hello, any notice for the decklists? Thanks
Dang. I wasn't sure who to root against.
Awesome game!
Nice game Andrew
Small note: The Vandalblast was not able to be redirected to the Sol Ring, as it is target restricted to opponents only. It honestly didn't matter though.
Did the lists ever turn up? :D would love to see them!
That misplay on the villainous wealth, all the spells are cast before any of them resolve, so He would not get any health from the other casts until the aetherflux is on field. (Still counts number cast that turn though)
Lists please!😊
no decklists ? :( i would love to see that thassa list go get some ideas for mine :D
how long was this one? I personally recently had a 3 hour cockatrice game with that many people, which is odd given two of the decks were trying to be proactive with traxos and rakdos. then again I was mana screwed at the start and traxos got shut down before it won the game from a combination of removal with Nicky B, rakdos charm, and duplicant. and then my explosion got curtailed and things happened. fun game though and the small hits from thrumming bird mattered since I died for exact lethal.
It was 2 hours and 52 minutes long
I love those games
On 11:46 is this not an ilegal move cus the slivers have shroud?
May I ask why did Trevor not cascade his talon sliver, and aswell as hes bonescythe sliver when he cast it? Thanks im trying to learn more into sliver decks appreciate it.
Can you timestamp when that happened? If he cascades while the First Sliver was on the stack, it's because the Slivers he cascades into don't have cascade until First Sliver resolves at the end.
@@MTGMuddstah Hey, thanks for replying I appreciate! Ok yes I just noticed that's what happend, the first sliver was cast on that turn. Sorry Im kind of new to magic and still learning a lot. Love your content nice job!
@@jessyreptiles4547 No problem at all! I'm glad I was able to help clear it up.
There was a play mistake. Insidious Will changed the target of vandalblast to an illegal target. You cannot make it target the caster's own stuff as the card reads "Destroy target artifact you don't control." To redirect a target, it has to be a valid legal target
You are correct. If they had caught that, Matty would have probably just countered it instead.
Someone has probably already answered this but, didn’t the slivers have protection from blue when the cyc rift went off? Was there something I missed?
Protection mostly stops targeting, destroy, and damage.
Cyc Rift doesn't target when it's overloaded.
can someone explain to me why they concede? pestermite + spinter twin is a thing?
I am the Niv player. Pestermite can untap a permanent when it enters the battlefield. Twin allows the enchanted creature to tap itself to make a token copy of it. So with twin (or kiki-jiki), the new token copy enters, untaps the enchanted pestermite, which then gets to activate again, making a new token, then repeat . Each time you make a token, you can untap the enchanted pestermite. So you get infinite tokens with haste for the turn.
Once Splinter Twin is on Pestermite:
-Tap Pestermite, making a copy of it with haste.
-Copy ETBs. Its ability allows you to untap target permanent.
-Untap the original Pestermite.
-You now have the exact same board state as you just did, with an extra 2/1 flier with haste
-Repeat until you have enough attackers to one shot all opponents.
@@TheRealQwade okay i see that, thanks ♥
Please share all the decklist
What a fantastic commander game
any updates on the list of the decks?
especially the first sliver and thassa
would love to use it as inspiration!
Haven't been able to play at the shop since last year sadly. I don't know Trevor or Matty beyond them being there, so no luck so far. Sorry!
@@MTGMuddstah no worries and thank you!!
I need Matty's Thassa list, that deck looks awesome T^T
Not a lot of single target removal. I had to disassemble my Muldrotha deck as everyone fired off their removal at it as soon as it hit the table.
Deck List Niv-Mizzet ?
Sorry if I am slow but can someone explain how he won at the end? I’m not seeing it. Splintertwin just makes a copy of the tapper
It can tap or UNTAP, which is the key part. He uses the untap ability to untap Twin, then taps it again making a token that untaps the Twin, etc, etc.
Each token has haste as well, so they can swing for lethal.
does any chance does Trevor has his sliver deck online?