New Titans in Duskmourn | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2025
- The crew talks a ton of new Duksmourn spoilers!
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Crim: *pours out his heart gushing about Duskmourn*
Seth: "Well anyway....."
Crimes the king of shills his opinions are null and void
Yeah they _really_ need to work on their wrap-ups and segues between topics. They leave discussions hanging on an unsatisfyingly abrupt end several times an episode, every episode. I know they’re trying to keep a fairly short runtime on these, but it always feels like they don’t actually finish a discussion and just end on someone saying something that feels like it should get a response. Just feels awkward. They need to wrangle up a summary of final thoughts from everyone before moving on.
@@claudeducharme007 That would mean he likes everything. But he literally said he wasn't as invested in Bloomburrow
@@thesamuraiman I don't know anyone who was invested in "Don Bluth but worse".
@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai, it's funny. They did that once recently, I think, lol. Just once, though 😂
Aw, no super special 500th podcast celebration episode? Was hoping for a Goldfish special, looking back at Goldfish throughout the years.
Same!
Or catching up on fishmail 😅
They said they would probably do a special episode when richard gets back from China
Nostalgia is evil
@@mikeyjesse9376fishmail is usually so boring tho 🥲
Low key love how Richard is shifting around like grossed out by new spooky art and Crim is just wide eyed and excited like a kid on Halloween lol.
Great show as always, guys, congrats on 500!
a perfect example of how diverse the player base is. If a set's not for you, it's probably exactly what someone else wants!
With dungeons and rooms, I can finally play Betrayal at The House on the Hill in Magic.
"It dies to Farewell" is nonsense. Everything does. Legitimately, if "Dies to Farewell" is our metric, then only lands and planeswalkers are playable.
I mean yeah, that’s pretty much why lands are by far the best card type in commander. And he’s right about that
Nothing dies to farewell it exiles
@@Zee-jp9vn You're being that guy right now. Don't be that guy.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 it was just a joke
WHAT ABOUT BATTLES!!!
does anyone remember battles?
I know I'm commenting on the classic Richard opening hot take and I have my own reservations about some of the aesthetics of Duskmourne, but we cannot possibly be talking about how the horror elements are too much for a Magic audience? The horror elements? We just had Phyrexia: All Will Be One. That set sold fine. Innistrad was super popular. The idea that Duskmourne is going to sell worse than like, Crimson Vow or Murders at Karlov Manor, or any of the Phyrexia sets, or even Brother's War (which underperformed) is baffling to me.
Agreed
he is never correct, ever.
Bloomburrow put like 3 decks in the meta, almost exclusively made out of Bloomburrow cards and introduced the token control decks.
I'd say it was pretty strong
Seth missing how good rabbits are in the tournaments is also weird AF. The deck is just expensive on Arena, and pretty linear, so no one bothers.
So excited for Duskmourn! This is definitely the set I've been the most hype for this year!
"Dr Who guy in garage eating a sandwich" is an honorary Goldfish crew member.
The art has been very polarizing with the limited chunk of the set we've seen so I'm not surprised Richard hates the aesthetic given I've seen similar sentiments online.
Personally I think they're knocking the horror elements out of the park so far. The survivors? Well, that's a different matter entirely.
Yeah idk...the names and arts break the 4th wall too many times for me. Once is ok, twice makes it cute, more than that is cringe and immersion breaking. Which is ironic considering it's all supposed to be movie based.
@@hahahafunniness what names and art break the fourth wall? If you're gonna talk about the card with sneakers, cause that's the card I've seen hated the most, why couldn't sneakers come about in the mtg universe?
The monochromatic alternative art cards look kinda wrong. If they went with Black and Reds they would look much nicer, but yellow and purple is just ugly looking.
@@casteanpreswyn7528 cards like "fear of missing out" are a bit much in my view. I'm ok with the sneakers and tvs/modern thing they're going for, but like come on not every set has to be an unset with a load of bad puns. I really like a lot of what they did with this set, but I thought those detracted from the tone.
@@light-chemistry you do realize what that card is, and why it's named that right? Or do you unironically not understand the design of it?
It's fine if you don't, I'm just legit curious since you seem to be okay with literally every other card the whole "this isn't right" crowd has a problem with.
Also, complaining about *every* set being an unset, just because it has parallels, is wild. Especially since modern Earth exists within the mtg universe.
Bloomburrow followed by Duskmourn is classic product differentiation. The sets appeal to different customer segments. It's the embodiment of the "not every product is for you" strategy.
Very Lorwyn to Duskmourn of it really.
I just wished there was more time in between both sets since im still inside the bloomburrow world in my head. But well, thats a dead horse i guess
Happy 500 episodes. Cheers to 500 more. Love your podcasts and website.
No 500th special episode? Y'all need to celebrate!
I think Richard is off his rocker
This entire cast has some of the worst takes in the scene.
I don't really like that the set is more "Horror-Movie" themed instead of just "horror" even if it makes it more unique. It's equally whimsical/gimmicky as it is creepy/scary and it feels like universes beyond more than Magic to me.
It does feel a little weird, but it's supposed to be campy horror, I guess.
Isn't the basic horror plane just Innistrad? I wouldn't want these goofy cards in the same plane as the church of Avacyn, but I still think there's room in Magic for them
@sosukelele I get your point, but the problem I have is the goofy cards lol
The gimmicky parts of the set feel particularly lame given how much more lighthearted and punny recent sets are in general. A horror themed set could have been a contrast to that and instead it's even more goofy.
@@Slippilsyea but the "serious" classic horror planes with supernaturals, body modifications and Eldritch creatures is innistrad/Phyrexia so if you wanted something different it had to be slasher flick type campy horror or it would just be a rehash of last standards sets low-key
Congrats on 500! You guys are the best~
Happy 500th! When you make it to 1000, you HAVE to make a special podcast!
Richards immediate hot take calling it the worst selling set lol. I think Manor locked down that record. Dusk will sell probably sell the second worst of the year because it doesn’t have the reprint equity like outlaws or wide audience of Bloom.
I mean one day of spoilers, I don't know if they have spoiled a lot of the reprints yet, Also I think you forget how many goth types play magic the gathering and kind of just skipped bloom burrow but will be coming out in force for something like this. Also I love the whole melding of horror they used, I get a lot of like backrooms type vibes with the survivors living in the endless horror dimension with unique monsters in each biome/zone. Either way, I think some of the art might turn off customers/ and players. but also Like the only cards I really cared for from bloom burrow are the bats, and the monsters.
Nah this set will do good
@@Malverde888it probably will, they're doing their best to time it with Halloween
@elijahwalker323 this. Bloomburrow was a hard skip for me, and I'm not even really goth. However, I *love* horror movies and games(room mechanic has to be a reference to RE/DMC) so I'm definitely getting a box. Haven't been this exited for a set since Neon Dynasty.
Nah bro, think of how absolutely bonkers popular Lethal Company was. People like goofy horror, and a lot of these cards are kinda bonkers as well....
Imo it really just depends if standard keeps getting a bit more popular
Dollmakers shop can potentially make 3 tokens per turn, one for each player you attack. This would pair well with evasive creatures
Ninjas are to Crim as Soul Sisters are to Seth.
congrats on the 500th episode! love listening to you guys
Congratulations on 500 episodes. I think Duskmourn is gonna be better than Murders for multiple reasons. Most people seem to be reacting positively towards the flavor of the set, more so than Murders so far.
As for the cards, the new "titan" cards seem to have people excited. Definitely a couple of them could see play in Standard and definitely Commander. Both new land cycles will probably see play in multiple formats and I could see Valgavoth seeing Constructed play in a deck that tries to cheat him out like Cruelclaw, reanimator, or some other strategy that cheats things out. Cause the abilities are fine, but much like Vein Ripper, the Ward cost is too steep.
I wasn't really interested in the setting and was kind of turned off by the modernish tech. But I have had a complete 180 on it. The cards are dripping with flavor. So much amazing art. The tone is serious and creepy. I'm sold
Unfortunately I'd call the tone more facetious and creepy than serious and creepy unfortunately
Same. I love the execution.
@@hahahafunniness Why is that unfortunate? We already have Innistrad for gothic horror, Duskmourne being its own thing is a positive. And Jolly Clown is my favourite artwork of any MtG card ever.
I think the first time I listened to this podcast it was arount the 100th episode. Have I really listened to 400 of these!
Im with Crim, I've been waiting for this set since I saw a peak. I also hoped they would lean into horror and not just monsters, and looks like they did.
I think Duskmourn is the best set we’re getting this year. Richard is crazy!
He's not tough enough for The Salty Spitoon.
Strong agree
You’re right lol
I’m with Crim. I’ve been waiting for this set all year. And I am already so excited for this set. Much more hyped than bloomburrow.
Enduring curiosity can act as a suprise block/trade. And then the following turn you can swing in and draw some cards. 9/10
Congratulations on 500 episodes.
Happy 500 episodes guys! Hope you do something to celebrate.
6:16 feel ya crim these are all the kinds of books that I read with child I'm so ready for the set. Mr balloon heads lmfaooo love it
The rhystic studies video on this set is about to be INNNCREDIBLE
Dollmaker's Shop being the top end for mono white tokens looks insane
The Jolly Balloon Man with Nesting Dovehawk seems sweet
I was hoping for a montage of Tomer being salty at Seth for never “paying the one”, Richard casting each individual fog he’s ever cast, every single time Crim got someone with Opposition Agent. And lastly every time Phil had a sol ring start.
that would be the commander podcast
@@sunstrid3r44 ah i see. Then i wanna see Richard’s extensive $10,000 (once upon a time) tarmogoyf collection.
When I think Magic I think about creatures that are featured in Duskmourn... Loving the set so far!!!
I wholeheartedly disagree with Richards prediction about the set sales potential. I am not much into Horror but I do enjoy a lot of music that has some more extreme art motifs and find the art direction of Duskmourn to be very appealing. The new Phantasmal Image special guest is incredible.
Ahhhhhh nobody mentioned the infamous cruelclaw cheating the elder demon in turn 3?? Obviously it's at random but it's another huge bomb that is gonna just win the game.
Also with nowhere to run it's nice to be able to keep the enchantment around for later threats you don't have to necessarily kill a creature with hexproof/ward. Also Amalia has ward, vein ripper has ward, and wizards is bound to keep printing ward cards.
Great video keep up the good work guys 😊
13:45 in cmdr you can get up to 3 tokens off dollmaker's shop per combat, one for each player you attack.
Congratulations on episode 500
For winter, if you sequence it so you play it after you have delirium so they discard before they draw, I think you have a good shot.
Yes Richard has returned. Triple thumbs up 👍👍👍
congratulations on the big 500! keep it up =)
I think the biggest thing about Hauntwoods Shrieker that everyone is missing is its SURVEILING while manifesting. Everyone is focused on the 2/2 (which you get card selectiong of, where Manifest didnt have), but ignoring thta fact youre getting that card selection and putting resources in the yard along with that 2/2. sure its otherwise a vanilla 3/3 stat wise but its not like RG combat tricks havent been a deck, or send this in Sultai where you are looking for things to be put in to the yard, while having access to blue tricks to protect the beast and token. even for the atraxa reanimator builds this could be a home because its a body that also making a board while digging to put the atraxa into the yard. ever since Capenna we saw how busted Surveil is, we now have a whole playable land cycle around it. sure you arent getting the +1 counter potential, but you are making bodies which is arguably better
4:30 in the morning? Heck yea
I am not a fan of theft, so i don't really want to play Valgavoth, but the art for regular Valgavoth is probably my favorite card art ever. And if i can get a play mat with that art I'm 100% buying it. It's so beautiful in how off-putting it is. I also love The Jolly Balloon Man. The art with the balloon heads reminds me of Junji Ito's "The Hanging Balloons" and that's also something I love.
Congrats on 500. I'm w Crim, Bloomburrow was a meh theme. But super hyped for Duskmourn
Seth if you make a discard tech of Winter you should consider Gibbering Descent. If you're hellbent, you skip your upkeep so your opponents don't get to draw from Winter.
Can’t wait to manifest dredge Valgavoth in green black.
Yeah, Valgavoth sounds a lot different when you realize it drops turn 3.
Fair enough for the goosebumps remarks. I wasn’t a goosebumps kid. I was out playing with sticks and pretending they were swords. I’m not huge into Duskmourn but I can see the appeal for sure. Just not everyone’s cup of tea.
The Dollmaker's Shop / Porcelain room is definitely for caretaker shells, which seem likely to evolve anyways because aside this room since Toby is also a potential upgrade for that deck (especially for mirror). Since the new room will help to keep the consistency of Caretaker talent draws by making it easier to produce tokens while also overloading the targets for the opponents to deal with game 2, when the enchantment hate comes in, so no harm running this through for 2 mana to bait their removal for caretaker or if this lives it still gives you a viable win con. But I think the shell itself is more than likely to evolve beyond just the current boros / white token control with this set giving it some strong tools.
Winter fits unbelievably well into Disa The Restless, jund tarmogoyfs
500! This is awesome!
Duskmourn is one of the first settings that magic has done in a while that is drawing me in
Kaito might be one of the best ninja staples ever printed. Cost efficient, extremely effective, versatile.
Stuffy doll is errata'd to Toy or we riot
Definitely with Crim in this one. Amazing set, cool ideas and flavor, and some powerful cards.
Rooms in 60 card seems clunky. I dont want almost any actual 4 mana cards in standars. - Mono red prowess player.
Kaito is very powerful.
Valgovoth is better as a reanimation target in commander, and dies to doom blade has always been a bad argument. Dies to edict assumes you dont have any other creatures on board, not a great assumption.
If youre happy about amy card in any set, just tell Richard about it and soon you'll feel like it sucks (even though it likely doesnt).
I agree with Richard on Dollmaker's shop. I was in disbelief hearing Crim speak so highly of it.
I really love the flavor of the set, surprisingly one of the things I really like is that there seems to be a bit of a "hopeful survivors" theme, in spite of the horror that it would be to live on Duskmourne. My 2 main problems are that they have only spoiled 1 Story Spotlight card, so I have no idea of what the story is yet, and I don't really get how there are people that actually live on Duskmourne, given that it doesn't have a lot of places for food and shelter.
I’ve been brewing a uw flash tempo deck with like Malcolm, aven interruptor, errant and etrata, the new bird that gives a creature hexproof and the bird counterspell+no more lies. The 4 mana cat will be insane in the shell as a 2-3 of
Nowhere to Run definitely feels like a new Commander staple. I'll put it in Horobi for sure lol
Crim is so right about this set for once in his life!
Turn two Dollmakers Shop. Turn three Urabrasks Forge.
Doesn't Dollmaker's Shop trigger once for each player you attack? So up to 3 creatures per turn for 2 mana while you wait to cast the bomb for 6 seems decent in go wide deck.
11:57
If a non-Room becomes a copy of a Room, both doors are locked.
If a Room becomes a copy of a Room, you have to check your first Room's doors to determine which are open.
Feels really awkward outside of limited. They're hella pricey and no way to really cheat em open.
Bloom burrow to Duskmourn
Is just from cute to brute in set form
what is the cmc of a room card in your hand
Winter looks like a group slug draw counterpart to Yarok
Key takeaways, more cute needed in MTG, but flavors are spread out among us, which is good.
On the one hand, I like it when the creatures and locations feel more like something I could’ve seen from Lorwyn/Shadowmoor but then everytime I see something like the “”survivors”” I think of Maniac Mansion and I can’t but cringe a little. I love that ancient ass LucasArt game but it’s so outta place seeing the influence in a MtG set. Very polar bear in Arlington, Texas.
500?! I've been here since episode 1. I CANT'S BELIEVE it's been that long. God I'm old.
Lollll I’m with Crim on this one! Art is great and Richard is a wimp steak junior😂
Woot 500th episode!!!
Winter, plus bowmasters.
Rottenmouth viper would also go well in a deck with winter
I am a 47 yr old woman (husband in photo) and Duskmourn is my favorite set so far. I just love it.
The alt art on the overlord looking spicy
UW or U flash flyers is good. Enduring Curiosity puts it over the top.
Bident of thassa in mono blue devotion last time i remember. It needs a tempo deck...maybe we play u/g with the manifest mythic and eventually mana dork when we get it.
❤ you get a toy creature token for each player you attack in commander that could be three tokens attorney 15:18
Richard is about to be beyond surprised by the sales number for this set.
Funny how Seth used the phrase "the proliferation of..." And then they didn't mention that proliferate probably helps a lot against those new titans.
You can just proliferate the impending titans to keep them in enchantment form, which I find funny
I think Richard underestimates how much people love horror for the selling of this set haha
Someone needs 2 show Crim some Beserk panels. Beautiful art
I really like the titan style formatting. It's nice to avoid the dies to removal issue by getting some value on entering, while also being more than just a body strapped to a spell. Anyways I'm gonna ruin standard with Overlord of the Mistmoors lmao
I am realy torn on baloon man, on one hand he does pretty much exactly what i always wanted from a boros commander. On the other hand its a clown in a non un- set.
I think it works for this set. He's a play-off of Pennywise.
I built a Duke Ulder ravenguard deck that would be very similar to this guy I’d recommend checking him out he’s a lot of fun and slightly less stupid than it
@@Lazydino59 Already tried that one, cant realy get behind myriad too much. Might be my play experience as i dont have an lgs or playgroup and am thereby limited to online play. Generally 1 player leaves in the first 3 or so turns and by the time he came out he was either a target or i didnt have anything good enough to copy :/
Ps: I have decided to embrace the sillyness, since balloon guy does pretty much exactly what i wanted from a boros legendary with the bonus of not automatically being a combo commander.
@@Shimatzu95 ah yeah makes sense in that case, the deck gets much worse with 3 players (I’ve literally saved archenemies from dying just to get an extra trigger). But have fun with balloon boy!
Most these cards are for commander in my opinion.
Inkeepers talent into hauntwood shrieker seems really strong. By the time it would attack it would be 5/5 possibly with ward 2, that could be brutal.
I feel like the more I listen to this podcast - the more I agree with Crim’s takes.
The set has phenomenal art, and does have a “cute” vibe to it. You know if you’re a horror fan, but horror has its own way of being cute.
Crim might actually have the most reasonable takes on the cast.
We need a Richard one piece podcast! I’m trying to learn and it’s kinda tough to find good info lol
Winter doesn’t technically die, but it becomes one of Valgavoth moth-priest (probably). The story ends with everyone escaping but winter ( he betrayed them ) e Valgavoth getting his tendrils on him.
So no one dies?
@@Blacklodge_Willy Only the crew Nashi brought with him I believe. But arguably Winter has a worse fate. Also Loot is in Valgavoth hands.
I think there's going to be enough creatures that Cutdown won't hit that Nowhere to Run will pretty much replace it.
Going from 3 complete joke sets to Duskmourn is quite nice
Love it how Valgavoth dies to a 3-mana white sweeper in this set.
Objectively, both Bloomburrow & Duskmourn are thematically great sets. I didn’t read Red all or goosebumps, but either set is great for what they’re trying to achieve. Subjectively, Bloomburrow wins, hands down, no contest for me.
Richard: yeah but it dies to removal…
Also Richard: *plays permanents*
I don't get Richard.
"Can you cheat this card? No? Hate it. It's unplayable. "
Also him, "Can you cheat this card? Yes? Hate it. It's too good."
He's said before that he believes a podcast is better when people take different sides of an argument, and that he sometimes argues things he doesn't believe but are the opposite of what the other hosts argue. This sometimes puts him in the position of making weak or contradictory arguments.
Richard said "It dies to Farewell" this episode. Stop listening to the words he says, they're just engagement bait.
@dontmisunderstand6041 he says it dies to farewell every time! And I really think he believes in it. 😂🤣
It also encourages engagement. You get more comments when you say inflammatory things. YT algorithm likes comments.
Enduring Curiosity is one of Flare of Denail's best friends.
Trade Enduring Curiosity (4 power) and keep the enchantment. Next turn, Attack and draw more cards.
By the way, your 2nd copy of Kaito combo with each other. Precombat, -2 to make sure Kaito 1 has no bloclers. Ninjutsu Kaito 2, bounce Kaito 1. Post combat, activate Kaito 2. You basically have 2 Kaito abilities per turn.
Am I the only one who hates sideways cards ? They are awkward to reading your hand and Telegraph what you have
Me too
Kaito ninjutsu on another copy of him seems crazy.