The two of you have been an extraordinary help and encouragement to me as I have deconstructed and left the faith this past year. Please keep doing what you are doing, as it is helping more people than you will ever know.
You are the Almighty Son of GOD, an image of all that exists. Tapping into scripture properly, the stars will literally fall at your feet. Safe journey my friend, there are many rooms for improvement in this little mansion of yours 😊
@@jeffreylehman1159 metaphors.... you are like a star, the light of the father, when you come to your final breath, you eyes will close, and as lights dim down, and there you be at rest, buried in the promised land, the city of peace.
@@jeffreylehman1159 also, children are like stars, manifestations of God came down from the heavens are like stars.... also, the zodiac are written in the stars, once you have the story, no longer looking up at them as your eyes fall away from them.
@@jeffreylehman1159 you are the star of the show, center stage... the lights fall, the curtains pull apart, and the veil is lifted, as the story begins in an empty tomb..... Let there be light, and the seed is planted.
I am a huge fan of Holy Koolaid. Thomas is such a great communicator! It was such a pleasure to see both of you together. Thank you for this interview!!!
My ex-husband was involved in prayer ministry for many years He told me that, nearly all the outwardly respectable Christian men he prayed with, had an addiction to pornography and masturbation. Including the counsellors. Including him. I didn't believe him then. But I do now. I didn't realise, at the time, what is strong sex drive men have and how normal it is to act on it
If a person is watching porn half an hour every week and masturbates, christians see that as an addiction. I would say that its a normal behaviour. At least if you are a single person. All this sanctification and purity bullshit that christians are so obsessed with are really harmfull.
Pity they didnt have an addiction to learning how to love and please and pleasure their wives. Would have been a lot more satisfying. Learning to dance, together, for instance. A couple who dances together along with other forms of kindness and respect and enjoyment, will thrive, together. Real sex is better than instant fake sex.
@@Plethorality It's some of each. Your wife doesn't need to hear every last thing that you think. And she doesn't need to participate with every last urge you feel. It's not a matter of better, like there is a binary. I and my wife have given each other everything we could have, as often as it was possible, so far as we can tell at this point in our marriage, fifty years on. We did every romantic thing you can think of to some degree. But we are also our own selves with our own bodies. Alone time is also precious, whether it's reading or sunning or fishing or pleasuring.
I sincerely thank both of you for this honest conversation. Thank you, Tim, for asking your questions, especially your sincere tone throughout. I will watch more.
Love that you both are out there! I had an experience yesterday, lunch with two baptist. One asked me if they could give thanks for for food, I thought sure, your welcome, she then began to pray as she held my wife’s hand and her husbands. They were clenching their eyes closed, I just sat quietly without clenching my eyes shut or bowing my skull. I should lurch to an athiest moment of thought prior to meals. I think you know they would feel offended if I did such a thing, they however want to be “respected,” without really respecting me. Odd
I didn't know your name, but I subscribe to Holy Koolaid and watched a lot of your videos. I love the way you make them with cartoons and you do so much of deep research. You are one of my big influencers!
Really great to listen to Thomas Westbrook and his honesty and straightforwardness. I've only ever seen him from the shoulders up but I seriously doubt there's anyone lurking in a corner who would be able to beat him up..... Anyway fascinating hearing his experience. Healing for the soul.
The first 2 BIG sleep paralysis occurrences for me were when i was "projecting" my mind out- first time in prayer to god, second time traveling to the stars as i dropped off to sleep. The first time as a christian, i felt god was hugging me but it became very intense with my body vibrating, and i told god I'd had enough but it didn't stop. Then i became suspicious it wasn't god at all. 😂 Years later, i had them frequently and i just wanted to sleep, but they kept waking me. I asked my partner if he felt the bed shaking, but he didn't, so i knew it wasn't noticeable outwardly, despite its intensity. Fascinating explanation given here! 🙂 and thanks for the video.
I've read about NDEs (near death experience) where a Hindu seens Krishna, a Christian sees Jesus, etc., showing out of body experiences are conditioned by the brain and its cultural background. 🎉
So shocked and angry that I was deceived by Ham et al. and that their lies sloshed around in my head all these years. I hope I can contribute to the demise of religion.
There's a video with renowned cardiac surgeon Lloyd Rudy where he talks about a couple of occasions which happened strongly indicating that the consciousness continues after death.
What changed my view on the Bible was to literally allow it to speak on its own terms. taking all the academic stuff into it, and simply allow it to be what it presents itself to be. I am still a spiritual person, but to me it comes down to God being equal to love and truth, meaning, the more I care about truth, and the more I care about becoming a person interested in truth, becoming more patient, kind, mindful and respectful, the more I "worship" God.. In a way its even possible to discover that in the Bible, and so if we allow the Bible itself to do the cherry pickung what it ends up with, is that pure religion should always be about transformation towards becoming a better society. No matter how much people think they are saved, if the simply have their faith in God to feel better about themselves, how they are saved, and feeling better about condeming others, like Evangelicals love to do with the Mormons, then heaven must be hell of a place :) Thanks for the great video..
I’m a Buddhist, culturally and religiously, so I suppose I am an atheist in many ways. I have to be honest, western religions and their god obsessions terrify me.
@ deities? Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Because… we do not have “deities”. In fact, if you are a deity, in Buddhism, you are regarded as a failure… a very grand and powerful failure, but a failure nonetheless.
Yes, im very sure. Spent a decade in Tibetan Buddhism under a Tibetan master. What do you call Mahakala or all the Taras? Buddhas own mother became one after she died as did his horse @wordscapes5690
I was born into Christianity Catholic and protestant. Books more Christians should read: the Egyptian book of the dead, Zoroastrianism, Tammuz, Dionysius, code of hammurabi, epic of Gilgamesh... Dark side of Christianity by helen ellerbe. I deconverted from experience. I hope more people leave Christianity at least for their own sanity.
I’ve had far better discussions with other people in my life on the topic of eternity than any Biblical or theological discussion could ever. That alone tells me that’s all about wish fulfillment & other psychological issues.
Living forever would only be possible if we could forget and experience things anew. That’s what i hope is true when i pass out of space-time Bubble…. That i can opt what to do next… to have options.
It's one of the cruelest tricks to have a person cut their body around a belief, even if that belief is a truth to that person. We rightfully talk against fgm but sercumsion needs to be added to that conversation.
@@HolyKoolaidAsherah was his wife. Yahweh was conflated with El. Baal was his brother. Makes them Jesus. Mother,aunt,uncle . Mind blown. If he was Yahwehs only kid.A Goddess had to give birth or maybe Yahweh pulled the partheonogenic conception thing again.
Well, that is one of the problems, it doesn't contain one World View it contains different WorldViews at the same time. This is something that most Books should not do.
Hello Would u be interested to let me appear on ur channel for my experience with religions And how social media helped me be free from religions? Raised catholic then being adult I became a jw ,then messianic at the end Torah observant!! Finally people like christopher,dawkins,and many more helped me be free Now just a human I m from east Africa
This eternal life in Heaven is used as an incentenive to combat the dread of life, the daily struggles and toils.. that IF you obey "god" and do your utmost best, all the suffering that you have had in your life will make place for an eternity of not having to worry about those things at all any longer, ostensibly offering "freedom" of "sin". It would be an altered state in which one can not be bored or experience "time" as int he physical world, in the presence of the glory of "god', being made part of. So nothing "earthly" would still remain. It sounds all good and sure it offers a solution within the faith, but there is 0% evidence of it being true. Each attempt to prove it has it's basis in a human claim (testimony). There is no way to tell if the person speaks the truth or not. Sometimes there are similarities between testimonies and often they go in the direction of the christian Bible because that is what they know or are affiliated with... Bottom line, no evidence and when considering the Bible and the religion as a whole, that provides every answer one needs about these "testimonies". Most likely confirmation bias, circular reasoning or right out dishonesty/delusions.
Your answer about well sort of like the title track from last days ministries will you be bored in heaven I know it's not what they're getting at but what you just said it's very similar to the TV show the good place which I highly recommend to anybody who is not watched it it is not what you think that's very cool. But in the end like even though people were in the good place they wanted to leave they had done as you said everything and they had done it for so long they've literally just didn't want to exist anymore. Interesting interesting thought. Interesting thing to think about
Loved the Holy Koolaid channel, especially the videos where the TV preacher's lost their minds when Trump lost the election. Lol Just really wish he'd make one now of all the liberal TV media and left wing followers losing their minds because Trump won this time around.. lol I really think an opened minded person would see past all the political BS and hit both sides whenever they look ridiculous. BUT.... might lose some followers and cash flow so highly doubt that'll happen.
48:00 Yeah when you are a christian it seems ridiculous that life could merge from non-life. Honestly I don't think it does though....... I believe in the universal consciousness and I believe that the universe itself is alive and everything is ultimately an expression of the infinite potentiality that you could call source or you could call God......... In that sense everything is already alive and expressing itself in some fundamental way or another........ Even the blades of grass outside your home have a specific function and a blueprint that every blade of grass next to it will follow which implies intentionality and of course dna is responsible for that........ Okay but there are even more fundamental building blocks below DNA that helped to comprise dna and that's just going to keep going further and further down...... Everything has a blueprint and a basic function and a purpose That harmonizes and synergizes with something else In a cohesive manner to make the whole system work. In that sense there is no non-life giving birth to life. If source is the infinite potentiality or infinitely condensed energy that leads to all actuality then it would have a plan from the start. Personally I believe in the flower of life and the universe coming into existence through that method and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a God that is completely set on ruling one people and Contradicts himself all the time. The flower of life is seen in every continent on this planet too. predates christianity too
Or life is itself its own goal or sense or plan in life. For me it doesn't have to have another plan than living, adapting and evolving. A beautiful picture you created here ... I love it. 😊
Problem with atheism is that you don’t understand that God does mysterious and amazing things for me personally. It’s not because of what I’ve read or been told. It’s not because I want to go to heaven. It does shit I have experienced and cannot deny. There is an intelligent force that influences things. Also there is the issue that the god described in the Old Testament is an evil imposter. So all the atheists criticisms of that god of this world are valid. It’s because even atheists have a moral code instilled in them by the creator. Yahweh is not the Father that Jesus speaks about and does not reflect His character. So everyone that ever goes into the perilous endeavor of reading the OT is repulsed by the behavior attributed to God. But if GOD does it then it’s right so better fall in line if you want to “get in” mto heaven. So the atheists don’t know what they are critiquing and the Christian’s don’t know who they are worshipping
Deconstructing? Deconstruction? Humans absorb new information and get on with it . 😂so ridiculous . Religion = ignorance , if you don't believe get on with your life.
Ever read “ battle for the mind” by William Sargent, on brainwashing ? Deprogramming angst is a real thing and can take time to resolve. Grief at potential losses, such as friends, community and sometimes family , home or job etc etc. are for many, painful possibilities, subsequent on deconverting.
Thanks Tim and Holy Koolaid!
Great to see Thomas Westbrook, thank you for bringing your story to this platform 🎉❤🎉
T. Westbrook is a critical piece in my de-construction journey, Thank You Sir!👍
Yes! “A God would respect intellectual curiosity and honesty!”
“I can’t do this anymore, I have to be honest with myself.”
Preyz Gord for your wisdum and discernment
The two of you have been an extraordinary help and encouragement to me as I have deconstructed and left the faith this past year. Please keep doing what you are doing, as it is helping more people than you will ever know.
You are the Almighty Son of GOD, an image of all that exists. Tapping into scripture properly, the stars will literally fall at your feet.
Safe journey my friend, there are many rooms for improvement in this little mansion of yours 😊
@@achildofthelight4725Stars do not “literally” fall.
Just one of the factual misstatements (lies) in your post.
@@jeffreylehman1159 metaphors.... you are like a star, the light of the father, when you come to your final breath, you eyes will close, and as lights dim down, and there you be at rest, buried in the promised land, the city of peace.
@@jeffreylehman1159 also, children are like stars, manifestations of God came down from the heavens are like stars.... also, the zodiac are written in the stars, once you have the story, no longer looking up at them as your eyes fall away from them.
@@jeffreylehman1159 you are the star of the show, center stage... the lights fall, the curtains pull apart, and the veil is lifted, as the story begins in an empty tomb..... Let there be light, and the seed is planted.
Loved this entire conversation and everything discussed. Thank you both. Highly intelligent and caring gentlemen. Great!
I am a huge fan of Holy Koolaid. Thomas is such a great communicator! It was such a pleasure to see both of you together. Thank you for this interview!!!
My ex-husband was involved in prayer ministry for many years
He told me that, nearly all the outwardly respectable Christian men he prayed with, had an addiction to pornography and masturbation.
Including the counsellors.
Including him.
I didn't believe him then.
But I do now. I didn't realise, at the time, what is strong sex drive men have and how normal it is to act on it
If a person is watching porn half an hour every week and masturbates, christians see that as an addiction.
I would say that its a normal behaviour. At least if you are a single person.
All this sanctification and purity bullshit that christians are so obsessed with are really harmfull.
Pity they didnt have an addiction to learning how to love and please and pleasure their wives. Would have been a lot more satisfying. Learning to dance, together, for instance. A couple who dances together along with other forms of kindness and respect and enjoyment, will thrive, together. Real sex is better than instant fake sex.
Many women do too
@@Plethorality It's some of each. Your wife doesn't need to hear every last thing that you think. And she doesn't need to participate with every last urge you feel. It's not a matter of better, like there is a binary. I and my wife have given each other everything we could have, as often as it was possible, so far as we can tell at this point in our marriage, fifty years on. We did every romantic thing you can think of to some degree. But we are also our own selves with our own bodies. Alone time is also precious, whether it's reading or sunning or fishing or pleasuring.
@@Plethoralityyes, but if your wife/husband does not want to have sex? Use force?
Thanks Thomas for being direct and completely honest with your feelings and thoughts. I love Holy Koolaid and thanks Tim for the great interview.
Thanks!
Loved this interview! Holy Koolaid played a vital role in my deconstruction journey
He's the real deal
I sincerely thank both of you for this honest conversation. Thank you, Tim, for asking your questions, especially your sincere tone throughout. I will watch more.
Love that you both are out there! I had an experience yesterday, lunch with two baptist. One asked me if they could give thanks for for food, I thought sure, your welcome, she then began to pray as she held my wife’s hand and her husbands. They were clenching their eyes closed, I just sat quietly without clenching my eyes shut or bowing my skull. I should lurch to an athiest moment of thought prior to meals. I think you know they would feel offended if I did such a thing, they however want to be “respected,” without really respecting me. Odd
Joining hands around a dinner table always gave me the creeps .
Really nice to hear your personal story Thomas! Love your channel and thanks for sharing! ❤
Good to see Thomas here.
Been following H C for 5 -6 years..Thank You both..
Great interview! I really enjoy Thomas's videos as Holy Koolaid. Thanks, Tim and Thomas!
Fun watching his channel too, and this time was the first time to know his background. Thanks for the interview!
Some of the best content regarding religious claims on the internet! Thanks Thomas!
Great interview! His channel has helped me so much with deconstruction.
I didn't know your name, but I subscribe to Holy Koolaid and watched a lot of your videos. I love the way you make them with cartoons and you do so much of deep research. You are one of my big influencers!
Great interview. I follow him already and his channel is amazing
Good interview. Holy Koolaid has had an influence on my journey for sure.
Oh this is going to be a good one. Holy Kool-Aid is one of the best channels!
Westbrook helped me so much with his videos
Really great to listen to Thomas Westbrook and his honesty and straightforwardness.
I've only ever seen him from the shoulders up but I seriously doubt there's anyone lurking in a corner who would be able to beat him up.....
Anyway fascinating hearing his experience. Healing for the soul.
Thank you, Tim, for all you do! I listen every day! ❤
Thank you so much! Please feel free to add me on FB and send a message, especially if you'd consider an interview sometime!
facebook.com/harmonictim
Loved this one! 💙💙💙💙💙
Thomas... the big fish in the modest pond of atheist content creators. Much respect. 🤟❤️
Preyz Gord for your wisdum and discernment brethren
The first 2 BIG sleep paralysis occurrences for me were when i was "projecting" my mind out- first time in prayer to god, second time traveling to the stars as i dropped off to sleep. The first time as a christian, i felt god was hugging me but it became very intense with my body vibrating, and i told god I'd had enough but it didn't stop. Then i became suspicious it wasn't god at all. 😂
Years later, i had them frequently and i just wanted to sleep, but they kept waking me. I asked my partner if he felt the bed shaking, but he didn't, so i knew it wasn't noticeable outwardly, despite its intensity.
Fascinating explanation given here! 🙂 and thanks for the video.
Anything that is true should stand up to scrutiny. Word!!
Please interview his brother Holy Nesquick.
Love this one
I can’t help but hear “Inherent!” from the felt Satan Explains video anytime someone says it now
I've read about NDEs (near death experience) where a Hindu seens Krishna, a Christian sees Jesus, etc., showing out of body experiences are conditioned by the brain and its cultural background. 🎉
So shocked and angry that I was deceived by Ham et al. and that their lies sloshed around in my head all these years. I hope I can contribute to the demise of religion.
There's a video with renowned cardiac surgeon Lloyd Rudy where he talks about a couple of occasions which happened strongly indicating that the consciousness continues after death.
“Oh shit, I’m horny again” is my new fav quote. 😂
Keep going Tim!!
Great song at the end, per usual. :)
Backward Days - Friends
What changed my view on the Bible was to literally allow it to speak on its own terms. taking all the academic stuff into it, and simply allow it to be what it presents itself to be. I am still a spiritual person, but to me it comes down to God being equal to love and truth, meaning, the more I care about truth, and the more I care about becoming a person interested in truth, becoming more patient, kind, mindful and respectful, the more I "worship" God.. In a way its even possible to discover that in the Bible, and so if we allow the Bible itself to do the cherry pickung what it ends up with, is that pure religion should always be about transformation towards becoming a better society.
No matter how much people think they are saved, if the simply have their faith in God to feel better about themselves, how they are saved, and feeling better about condeming others, like Evangelicals love to do with the Mormons, then heaven must be hell of a place :)
Thanks for the great video..
I’m a Buddhist, culturally and religiously, so I suppose I am an atheist in many ways. I have to be honest, western religions and their god obsessions terrify me.
Oh please .. your millions of deities are just as terrifying
@ deities? Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Because… we do not have “deities”. In fact, if you are a deity, in Buddhism, you are regarded as a failure… a very grand and powerful failure, but a failure nonetheless.
Yes, im very sure. Spent a decade in Tibetan Buddhism under a Tibetan master. What do you call Mahakala or all the Taras? Buddhas own mother became one after she died as did his horse @wordscapes5690
He's one of my favorites!! He helped keep me away from religion
I was born into Christianity Catholic and protestant. Books more Christians should read: the Egyptian book of the dead, Zoroastrianism, Tammuz, Dionysius, code of hammurabi, epic of Gilgamesh... Dark side of Christianity by helen ellerbe. I deconverted from experience. I hope more people leave Christianity at least for their own sanity.
Ok not all of it is books, some of it is information, but im typing as someone else is talking to me
Glad You escaped and are helping otters
Some of us left after reading the Old Testament. Nothing will wake you up a so called Christian than actually reading it for yourself!
1:17:34 even the rabbit holes have rabbit holes...there is no end
As a Pure Atheist, I’ve always thought the Bible was nothing more than a badly written story book.
I’ve had far better discussions with other people in my life on the topic of eternity than any Biblical or theological discussion could ever. That alone tells me that’s all about wish fulfillment & other psychological issues.
Living forever would only be possible if we could forget and experience things anew. That’s what i hope is true when i pass out of space-time Bubble…. That i can opt what to do next… to have options.
Great interview guys .❤❤❤💪💪💪😊😊😊
It's one of the cruelest tricks to have a person cut their body around a belief, even if that belief is a truth to that person. We rightfully talk against fgm but sercumsion needs to be added to that conversation.
Another ridiculous, potentially dangerous popular tradition.
Completely unnecessary suffering imposed upon
children without consent .
Is there any studies on how the brain works regarding religious beliefs? And how some people see evidence and others don't see jack?
Battle for the mind by William Sargent may help. It deals with mind programming and deprogramming in many contexts, including religious.
@1.07 ----is he talking about Heaven is for real by Todd Burpo?
Hi tim I've only recently found out yaweh isn't jesus father
Bit of a head spin, ay?
Wait till you find out that El was Yahweh's father.
@@HolyKoolaidAsherah was his wife. Yahweh was conflated with El. Baal was his brother. Makes them Jesus. Mother,aunt,uncle . Mind blown. If he was Yahwehs only kid.A Goddess had to give birth or maybe Yahweh pulled the partheonogenic conception thing again.
Woohoo an Aggie I love him even more.
That kid with the NDE grew up 30 miles from me and I knew his dad
I have watched his channel. Cool dude and good channel
Ahhh yes Bathtub Baptisms....been there witnessed that....
Awesome
The age of the Earth and the existence of miracles etc are not an issue when one understands the Bible stories are allegories.
I definitely think that life after death will be the same as life before birth. Nothing.
Well, that is one of the problems, it doesn't contain one World View it contains different WorldViews at the same time. This is something that most Books should not do.
Hello
Would u be interested to let me appear on ur channel for my experience with religions
And how social media helped me be free from religions?
Raised catholic then being adult I became a jw ,then messianic at the end Torah observant!!
Finally people like christopher,dawkins,and many more helped me be free
Now just a human
I m from east Africa
This eternal life in Heaven is used as an incentenive to combat the dread of life, the daily struggles and toils.. that IF you obey "god" and do your utmost best, all the suffering that you have had in your life will make place for an eternity of not having to worry about those things at all any longer, ostensibly offering "freedom" of "sin".
It would be an altered state in which one can not be bored or experience "time" as int he physical world, in the presence of the glory of "god', being made part of. So nothing "earthly" would still remain.
It sounds all good and sure it offers a solution within the faith, but there is 0% evidence of it being true. Each attempt to prove it has it's basis in a human claim (testimony). There is no way to tell if the person speaks the truth or not. Sometimes there are similarities between testimonies and often they go in the direction of the christian Bible because that is what they know or are affiliated with...
Bottom line, no evidence and when considering the Bible and the religion as a whole, that provides every answer one needs about these "testimonies". Most likely confirmation bias, circular reasoning or right out dishonesty/delusions.
So where are you going after this life time ends
Where we all go---oblivion in the end.
Back to Mother Earth to feed the worms and contribute to soil health.
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403throw me to the forest! Gives me peace
Your answer about well sort of like the title track from last days ministries will you be bored in heaven I know it's not what they're getting at but what you just said it's very similar to the TV show the good place which I highly recommend to anybody who is not watched it it is not what you think that's very cool. But in the end like even though people were in the good place they wanted to leave they had done as you said everything and they had done it for so long they've literally just didn't want to exist anymore. Interesting interesting thought. Interesting thing to think about
I found if you just look at things for what they are you dont have to question anything life is simple when you die its over
44:00 The Hegelian dialectic at work in full force as these apologists counter themselves through their own action.
They are not apologists for a thesis of certainty, but are involved in ongoing questioning, so no Hegelian thesis in their lives. 😮
Holy Koolaid is a God.
Next
time if you ever experience sleep paralysis Just wiggle your pinky, and you'll come out of it!
Is this man single? Asking for a friend 👀
Holy koolaid ❤❤❤💪💪💪
Attention…Salute…Pledge. I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag…..😁
I’m not American or Christian 😂
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 Then why are you speaking to me? Please tell me you are at least white…right? 🤣🤣
Come on 3 channels? Myth vision holy Kool aid and now this as well? 🤦🤷🤣
Lady babylon
Loved the Holy Koolaid channel, especially the videos where the TV preacher's lost their minds when Trump lost the election. Lol Just really wish he'd make one now of all the liberal TV media and left wing followers losing their minds because Trump won this time around.. lol I really think an opened minded person would see past all the political BS and hit both sides whenever they look ridiculous. BUT.... might lose some followers and cash flow so highly doubt that'll happen.
48:00
Yeah when you are a christian it seems ridiculous that life could merge from non-life.
Honestly I don't think it does though....... I believe in the universal consciousness and I believe that the universe itself is alive and everything is ultimately an expression of the infinite potentiality that you could call source or you could call God......... In that sense everything is already alive and expressing itself in some fundamental way or another........ Even the blades of grass outside your home have a specific function and a blueprint that every blade of grass next to it will follow which implies intentionality and of course dna is responsible for that........ Okay but there are even more fundamental building blocks below DNA that helped to comprise dna and that's just going to keep going further and further down...... Everything has a blueprint and a basic function and a purpose That harmonizes and synergizes with something else In a cohesive manner to make the whole system work.
In that sense there is no non-life giving birth to life. If source is the infinite potentiality or infinitely condensed energy that leads to all actuality then it would have a plan from the start.
Personally I believe in the flower of life and the universe coming into existence through that method and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a God that is completely set on ruling one people and Contradicts himself all the time.
The flower of life is seen in every continent on this planet too. predates christianity too
Or life is itself its own goal or sense or plan in life.
For me it doesn't have to have another plan than living, adapting and evolving.
A beautiful picture you created here ... I love it. 😊
There is also no evidence for this at all. We have evidence that the universe has no intention though. The universe being “concious” is pseudoscience
Problem with atheism is that you don’t understand that God does mysterious and amazing things for me personally. It’s not because of what I’ve read or been told. It’s not because I want to go to heaven. It does shit I have experienced and cannot deny. There is an intelligent force that influences things. Also there is the issue that the god described in the Old Testament is an evil imposter. So all the atheists criticisms of that god of this world are valid. It’s because even atheists have a moral code instilled in them by the creator. Yahweh is not the Father that Jesus speaks about and does not reflect His character. So everyone that ever goes into the perilous endeavor of reading the OT is repulsed by the behavior attributed to God. But if GOD does it then it’s right so better fall in line if you want to “get in” mto heaven. So the atheists don’t know what they are critiquing and the Christian’s don’t know who they are worshipping
Deconstructing? Deconstruction? Humans absorb new information and get on with it . 😂so ridiculous . Religion = ignorance , if you don't believe get on with your life.
Ever read “ battle for the mind” by William Sargent, on brainwashing ? Deprogramming angst is a real thing and can take time to resolve. Grief at potential losses, such as friends, community and sometimes family , home or job etc etc. are for many, painful possibilities, subsequent on deconverting.
Read Battle for the mind” by William Sargant. . It may help you understand..😅