John the Baptist was most likely an Essen, James the Just, Yashua's brother became the head of the church in the Essen quarter in Jerusalem. Nazareth was thought to be an Essen community.
We have so little besides some few shared vocabulary to be confident that JB was an Essen. How does one determine for certain that there was a church in a place that is designated as "Essen quarter" in Jerusalem? What is the source of this suggestion. Who thought Nazareth was an Essen community? Where does some suggestion come from?
@storynt two great resources #1 Ken johnson is one of the best in this area of research. #2 Robert Eisenman has a good reputation and discusses Essen history, I highly recommend his talk titled: the dead sea scrolls best interview ever. Can be found on James Tabor site/tube. Finally the Essen quarter is well known of in current day Jerusalem it's one of the main tour's most messianic Christian's visit when they go to Israel.
Mark chapter 10 is essentially an Essene treatise, especially read side by side with what Joseph said about the Essenes in War of the Jews. The way the Jesus movement view their possessions in both Acts chapter 2 and 4 reveals a strong Essene influence. And that's coming from the pro Pauline Luke writer describing the movement before Paul got there.
I'm new to the Essenes and I've recently come across some information that talks about rituals that the Essenes practiced. It also related the Knights Templar's rituals to the Essenes. And was said John the Baptist and Jesus practiced the same rituals. I want to think that this is false information. I also assume that there were Essenes that branched off into esoteric beliefs. It was quite disturbing to hear this related to Jesus and John the Baptist. Is there any answers you can give?
Amanda, thank you for your questions. I'm sorry, but I cannot give you any information about the Knight's Templar and their rituals and how they compare to those of the Essenes. To the best of my knowledge, there is no direct evidence of Essenes "branching off" into "esoteric beliefs" (not sure how you are using that term and what would constitute an "esoteric belief" among apocalyptic Jews like the Essenes). There are shared vocabulary and ideas between John the Baptist, Jesus and early Christianity. But one must use caution when identifying those similarities. Just because one can see a similar idea of the Essenes in the New Testament does not mean we know that the NT authors got any ideas directly from them. Ideas can be in circulation which are shared by groups who have no direct connection with each other. There is no (despite what a few scholars have claimed) any evidence that shows John the Baptist, Jesus or any specific NT author had contact with Essenes. But it is certainly not impossible that they did. It is simply that we cannot prove that they did with the scant material we have. Hope that helps.
Shawn, it is likely that Essenes, as well as many other Jews, did not care for Herod the Great or Herod Antipas or Herod Philip or for that matter the Romans. The DSS, if they are an Essene product as some scholars believe, indicate that the community was awaiting an intervention into human affairs by God and an angelic force that would replace the current political environment, including the Temple high priests, with a Davidic-Levitic Kingdom.
I am curious. Hadrian renamed the land that is Israel Syria Palestina after the Bar Kokhba Revolt around 135 ad. It was called Judea when the Essenes inhabited the area in the mid 2nd century BC. Why do you insist on calling it Palestine? Why not call the area by the name used for it at the time?
Herodotus referred to the region of Syria from Phoenicia to Egypt as "Palestine" back in the 5th century BCE, so the Romans are the first to use it. Of course, we are indebted to them for the Latinization of the Greek term which became transliterated into English as "Palestine". The term is simply generic for the region, but I have no qualms if someone wants to designate the specific region under the name that has its origins related to the tribe of Judah.
I don't think that Paul's concern with the veil has to do with notions of purity. He wasn't preaching in Israel. He was preaching to the Greek-influenced diaspora. You want to explore the intense misogyny of that community and to that the fact that Paul was educated in a gymnasium. He not only told the women to cover their heads, he also told them to stop speaking. Look to anthropologist, Gerda Lerner for a clearer picture of the relationship between the veil and women as chattle. You might also look to Alan Samuels, Greek historian. He said, "Greek men worked their wives to death because it was cheaper to replace them than it was a slave". Paul was diminishing the increased inclusion of women that Jesus himself had established in his following.
Where in this video do I mention that Paul's concern with the veil was out of notions of purity? Also, a Jew or Jewish Christian living in the diaspora could be or would be still concerned with issues of purity. That was not simply an issue for Jews living in Palestine.
John the Baptist was most likely an Essen, James the Just, Yashua's brother became the head of the church in the Essen quarter in Jerusalem. Nazareth was thought to be an Essen community.
We have so little besides some few shared vocabulary to be confident that JB was an Essen. How does one determine for certain that there was a church in a place that is designated as "Essen quarter" in Jerusalem? What is the source of this suggestion. Who thought Nazareth was an Essen community? Where does some suggestion come from?
@storynt two great resources #1 Ken johnson is one of the best in this area of research. #2 Robert Eisenman has a good reputation and discusses Essen history, I highly recommend his talk titled: the dead sea scrolls best interview ever. Can be found on James Tabor site/tube. Finally the Essen quarter is well known of in current day Jerusalem it's one of the main tour's most messianic Christian's visit when they go to Israel.
Mark chapter 10 is essentially an Essene treatise, especially read side by side with what Joseph said about the Essenes in War of the Jews. The way the Jesus movement view their possessions in both Acts chapter 2 and 4 reveals a strong Essene influence. And that's coming from the pro Pauline Luke writer describing the movement before Paul got there.
Sounds like where the Domino's would be laying👍
Thank you for the breakdown. It was informative and scholarly.
Thank you very much...its so helfull to understand the early christians believes and practices
Good teaching bro
Thank you for this class, it is so helpful.
Ty. 💙🙏💙
Very good. Thank you ❤
Great overview. Thank you.
That was pretty interesting. I thank you.
Did this originate from egypt?
I've seen no evidence to suggest that the Essenes or Qumran community have any direct connection with Egypt.
I'm new to the Essenes and I've recently come across some information that talks about rituals that the Essenes practiced. It also related the Knights Templar's rituals to the Essenes. And was said John the Baptist and Jesus practiced the same rituals. I want to think that this is false information. I also assume that there were Essenes that branched off into esoteric beliefs. It was quite disturbing to hear this related to Jesus and John the Baptist. Is there any answers you can give?
Amanda, thank you for your questions. I'm sorry, but I cannot give you any information about the Knight's Templar and their rituals and how they compare to those of the Essenes. To the best of my knowledge, there is no direct evidence of Essenes "branching off" into "esoteric beliefs" (not sure how you are using that term and what would constitute an "esoteric belief" among apocalyptic Jews like the Essenes). There are shared vocabulary and ideas between John the Baptist, Jesus and early Christianity. But one must use caution when identifying those similarities. Just because one can see a similar idea of the Essenes in the New Testament does not mean we know that the NT authors got any ideas directly from them. Ideas can be in circulation which are shared by groups who have no direct connection with each other. There is no (despite what a few scholars have claimed) any evidence that shows John the Baptist, Jesus or any specific NT author had contact with Essenes. But it is certainly not impossible that they did. It is simply that we cannot prove that they did with the scant material we have. Hope that helps.
Ok but once again names are wrong no English till the 5th century ad which means no j what are the real names? And why are they changing names.
Book i read made it seem essesnes did not like herod. Jesus and the essenes
Shawn, it is likely that Essenes, as well as many other Jews, did not care for Herod the Great or Herod Antipas or Herod Philip or for that matter the Romans. The DSS, if they are an Essene product as some scholars believe, indicate that the community was awaiting an intervention into human affairs by God and an angelic force that would replace the current political environment, including the Temple high priests, with a Davidic-Levitic Kingdom.
I am curious. Hadrian renamed the land that is Israel Syria Palestina after the Bar Kokhba Revolt around 135 ad. It was called Judea when the Essenes inhabited the area in the mid 2nd century BC. Why do you insist on calling it Palestine? Why not call the area by the name used for it at the time?
Herodotus referred to the region of Syria from Phoenicia to Egypt as "Palestine" back in the 5th century BCE, so the Romans are the first to use it. Of course, we are indebted to them for the Latinization of the Greek term which became transliterated into English as "Palestine". The term is simply generic for the region, but I have no qualms if someone wants to designate the specific region under the name that has its origins related to the tribe of Judah.
I don't think that Paul's concern with the veil has to do with notions of purity. He wasn't preaching in Israel. He was preaching to the Greek-influenced diaspora. You want to explore the intense misogyny of that community and to that the fact that Paul was educated in a gymnasium. He not only told the women to cover their heads, he also told them to stop speaking. Look to anthropologist, Gerda Lerner for a clearer picture of the relationship between the veil and women as chattle. You might also look to Alan Samuels, Greek historian. He said, "Greek men worked their wives to death because it was cheaper to replace them than it was a slave". Paul was diminishing the increased inclusion of women that Jesus himself had established in his following.
Where in this video do I mention that Paul's concern with the veil was out of notions of purity? Also, a Jew or Jewish Christian living in the diaspora could be or would be still concerned with issues of purity. That was not simply an issue for Jews living in Palestine.