but how intensely were you *"roTTing"* for him ?? Like... Just a few brown spots here and there on the skin or straight-up tissue decomposition with your meats dripping off ?? :D .
as far as i can remember i have seen one draw one time. flash and somebody. they mined out, and flash hovered his buildings and bcs in the middle of the map and then started rearranging his pc, signifying that he was done and wanted a draw and to go next.
да флэш просто суший макро терран я не понемаю зачем он вызвался за ничю приемушество было у него на стороне он мог бы просто полететь половиной зданий и поехать войсками в атаку под зданиями зделать сиеге и просто тупо убить тосса у которого был 1 чтормер и пачка кареров с пачкой гунов протев террановского лимита это смешно просто смешно в любом случае у него стояло столько турелей что даже если бы он не смог убить всех кареров то он мог бы просто порубить их интрецепторов а если бы даже не добил то всё равно кареры бы их слили на его туретках которых там было чтук 20
Even though this game didnt end the way i wanted it to, this was still a fantastic game, i just love seeing builds that are so far off meta being played out and for it to be so close too.
"Are wraiths better than mutalisks?" It's a bit like asking "are corsairs better than mutas" -- corsairs outright beat mutas in a head to head fight, but mutas can, y'know, attack ground. That's kind-of an important detail. Wraiths obviously can attack ground, but they have a much better air to air attack than they have a ground attack, so yeah, they can fight most other air units. Including mutas. Yes, I know in the video Artosis says mutas "destroy" wraiths in a heads up fight but it's honestly pretty close. Same HP (120 to 120). 1 Wraith actually out-damages 1 Muta when they fight. Despite wraiths dealing "half" their normal damage to mutas it's still more (1 wraith will deal 10.83 DPS to a muta, 1 muta will deal 7.14 DPS without glaive bounces, 10.31 DPS with glaive bounces--the practical damage for mutas being probably somewhere between no glaive bounces and all glave bounces, maybe around 9 DPS, cause glaives can bounce onto useless targets like buildings, glaives reduce the benefits of focus fire, etc). The raw damage and HP values are still slightly in the mutas' favour because mutas are slightly cheaper than wraiths (slightly less minerals), but it's very mild, and wraiths have a few other tricks like 5 range and cloak that can be used with micro to get an edge. The problem with wraiths comes from being terrible against ground. Less damage to ground than a muta (even before counting glaive bounces) despite being a more expensive unit. Dies much easier to most ground units (due to mutas being small, wraiths being large, and most ground to air damage being explosive type). But like...if a zerg and a terran agreed to an "honourable air duel" where both sides only built wraiths and mutas. No spores, no turrets, no lings, no marines, etc. Yeah, the Terran would do just fine. The way the zerg won this game is that lings are better than marines, spores are better than turrets, and the wraiths did end up needing to attack ground.
RT cast a game with Mihu awhile back, where his wraiths friggin demolished whichever Zerg he was playing against. The wraith micro was 'Snow level', but we don't see that kind of play too often
Leta and Light are the only two players that really come to mind for Wraith micro, but Light is able to macro much better than Leta while microing wraiths. I could see some wraith shenanigans on Troy during this ASL
Hey Artosis. I love SCBW and watch all your casts. Ty. Suggestion: add a small timer showing time elapsed. This would allow serious students the ability to time everything (pause, rewind, etc).
This video feels more natural and closer to matches i would see daily back in the day when i used to play BW on dial up. Down to the wire. I am wondering what the terran player could have done to win that. A bunker? Bring the wraiths back home to defend? Build a second CC? I notice from all these casts videos these guys always try and get a second CC up almost ASAP. I can see why now. These mineral patches are so small compared to BGH. What a crazy game. If he didn’t have those lings and managed to keep his base alive the terran player would’ve won for sure
Well, he could have builded 1 scv on the low ground island and play from there, Soulkey had only 1 muta. By the time Soulkey can attack that Island position he is well defended and gets is eco back on.
Not really. It is as hard as it gets to micro that, bit on top of that, he didn't had a unit far out on the map to group with the wraits so they can stack togheder like we do with the mutas... and u can't control what goes on the sides.
@@amai2307 I think that when he started to attack the Hatchery, he only had 1 scv that was not paired with the wraiths because lings were hunting for it.
Ow I see now. When he started to attack the hatchery, he started to build a depo with his scv at 7oclock. he had it paired with the Wraiths, but when the SCV finished the Depo, it just come to where the Wraiths were and then he started to take dmg from the spores :D.
Damn, BishOp cut SCVs at 16? I'd love to see an aggressive wraith build that also manages to have an economy. Wraiths are fine versus mutas, but they struggle when you're down 1 gas vs 2.
Precisely, he probably should've still tried, but he had no means of stopping his opponent from owning the ground and slaying every worker they find. He wouldn't be able to kill the lings fast enough.
Air units grouped with a unit that is really far away will stack up on one pixel, enabling optimal hit and run micro and protecting against smart targeting.
He'd completely lost ground control and any chance of catching up to his opponent once he had to lift his buildings. He wouldn't be able to kill lings fast enough to protect SCVs and he needed his wraiths to dismantle the enemy base or he'd just make more mutas and win.
Bishop has just proved it again wraiths don’t fear mutas in a one on one battle. But harder for Terran to switch meta game than Zerg if it doesn’t work out 😅
Bro. Terrans should have a Bunker at the front in every single game. There's literally NO reason to not spend 100 minerals to protect against ling runbys.
Pro builds are so optimized that they'll try to cut corners any chance they get, leading to situations like these. Artosis just had a video a few days ago where ZeLot's guardian rush lost because of 2 valks. If those 2 valks had come out 10 seconds later then ZeLot would've won.
Not quite, lings lock down most of the map since he ceded ground control. and even starting up again from square 1 safely would lose him the macro game, it was wipe the enemy base with his wraiths or lose the moment he had to lift buildings.
What is up with wraiths? The last time I watched BW they were considered useless and we're only used to snipe carriers and workers. Did the meta evolve and they became more popular?
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This is one of the greatest games in a long time. Thanks for sharing
Games featuring Bish0p are tense.
What a game. The last spore in the main was the deciding factor.
This game was insane. I was rotting for BishOp
I know it's exciting, but make sure to get up and walk around every few hours. No need to suffer necrosis to watch a player you like.
rooting
but how intensely were you *"roTTing"* for him ?? Like... Just a few brown spots here and there on the skin or straight-up tissue decomposition with your meats dripping off ?? :D
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Why is everyone being mean to OP? 2024 zombie rights, man
Betteridge's law of headlines: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
Can Sulki Come Back After Loosing All His Mutas to Wraiths?
@@hydraman007 Losing*
@@jd87a Annoying*
Seoulkji can if spoors is many@@hydraman007
Well had the Terran killed the Lings he would have been ahead a lot.
“Yes, but no” is the asnwer
Or... "It depends"
If Detection then no. No Detection, then yes.
I love bishop's playstyle so much it's unreal.
as far as i can remember i have seen one draw one time. flash and somebody. they mined out, and flash hovered his buildings and bcs in the middle of the map and then started rearranging his pc, signifying that he was done and wanted a draw and to go next.
да флэш просто суший макро терран я не понемаю зачем он вызвался за ничю приемушество было у него на стороне он мог бы просто полететь половиной зданий и поехать войсками в атаку под зданиями зделать сиеге и просто тупо убить тосса у которого был 1 чтормер и пачка кареров с пачкой гунов протев террановского лимита это смешно просто смешно в любом случае у него стояло столько турелей что даже если бы он не смог убить всех кареров то он мог бы просто порубить их интрецепторов а если бы даже не добил то всё равно кареры бы их слили на его туретках которых там было чтук 20
The wraith micro caught me offguard, even when the scurges spawned ... amazing
Very powerful micro indeed. Even i was in awe
Loving the daily casts. Found them a few weeks ago and working through the archives on the treadmill.
This felt like a Chess game!! Amazing. A bunch of intellectuals went into that match
I really appreciate how you keep all your casts new, even with the new ASL maps! Thanks artosis. I love this channel.
That was a really fun watch, but obviously not THAT fun because nobody got chills.
Even though this game didnt end the way i wanted it to, this was still a fantastic game, i just love seeing builds that are so far off meta being played out and for it to be so close too.
ya, same here, although to be perfectly fair, that's _not exactly_ a completely *"off meta"* build... :P
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I understand that the game for Terran was lost but it would've been nice to see this gone a few minutes longer
I'm not sure that was lost.
1 bunker would've won that!
but why didn't he just kill the lair and then just make 1 SCV and mined under the wraiths somewhere?
I was so god damn stressed out watching this game! Great casting Atri!
Insane game, I love when we see something like this at the pro level
Damn almost ended in a draw! This game was hype af
"Are wraiths better than mutalisks?"
It's a bit like asking "are corsairs better than mutas" -- corsairs outright beat mutas in a head to head fight, but mutas can, y'know, attack ground. That's kind-of an important detail.
Wraiths obviously can attack ground, but they have a much better air to air attack than they have a ground attack, so yeah, they can fight most other air units. Including mutas. Yes, I know in the video Artosis says mutas "destroy" wraiths in a heads up fight but it's honestly pretty close. Same HP (120 to 120). 1 Wraith actually out-damages 1 Muta when they fight. Despite wraiths dealing "half" their normal damage to mutas it's still more (1 wraith will deal 10.83 DPS to a muta, 1 muta will deal 7.14 DPS without glaive bounces, 10.31 DPS with glaive bounces--the practical damage for mutas being probably somewhere between no glaive bounces and all glave bounces, maybe around 9 DPS, cause glaives can bounce onto useless targets like buildings, glaives reduce the benefits of focus fire, etc). The raw damage and HP values are still slightly in the mutas' favour because mutas are slightly cheaper than wraiths (slightly less minerals), but it's very mild, and wraiths have a few other tricks like 5 range and cloak that can be used with micro to get an edge.
The problem with wraiths comes from being terrible against ground. Less damage to ground than a muta (even before counting glaive bounces) despite being a more expensive unit. Dies much easier to most ground units (due to mutas being small, wraiths being large, and most ground to air damage being explosive type).
But like...if a zerg and a terran agreed to an "honourable air duel" where both sides only built wraiths and mutas. No spores, no turrets, no lings, no marines, etc. Yeah, the Terran would do just fine.
The way the zerg won this game is that lings are better than marines, spores are better than turrets, and the wraiths did end up needing to attack ground.
Bishop would have won if he just saved the SCVs are mined right away on top right instead
Rewatching this because it was such a good game.
I did enjoy the AI battles. I wouldn't mind watching an episode or 2 of AI vs. AI
As short as juicy this game was. Fantastic!
This was a great game very exciting best I've seen in a bit
RT cast a game with Mihu awhile back, where his wraiths friggin demolished whichever Zerg he was playing against. The wraith micro was 'Snow level', but we don't see that kind of play too often
The Best wraith games ive seen were between Bishop and Fengzi
Leta and Light are the only two players that really come to mind for Wraith micro, but Light is able to macro much better than Leta while microing wraiths. I could see some wraith shenanigans on Troy during this ASL
This is about as masterfully as you can start or wield wraiths, but the power isn't there. To me, they're more of a meme than ghosts.
Hey Artosis. I love SCBW and watch all your casts. Ty.
Suggestion: add a small timer showing time elapsed.
This would allow serious students the ability to time everything (pause, rewind, etc).
something different than the timer above minimap?
This video feels more natural and closer to matches i would see daily back in the day when i used to play BW on dial up.
Down to the wire.
I am wondering what the terran player could have done to win that. A bunker? Bring the wraiths back home to defend? Build a second CC? I notice from all these casts videos these guys always try and get a second CC up almost ASAP. I can see why now. These mineral patches are so small compared to BGH.
What a crazy game. If he didn’t have those lings and managed to keep his base alive the terran player would’ve won for sure
That was a great game! Thanks !
This gave me chills!
Absolutely loved this game
That was nice "neardraw" game
Awesome game! Some beautiful micro.
what a fun game! maybe some more ground units would made the difference
That was crazy! Love it!
Thanks for the games Artosis
I was hoping to see a draw
What a game.
Ah yes, the terran muta. How could I forget such a unit
It is the underpowered version of the Zerg Mutalisk, because Terran.
Bish0p is my favourite player! No second thought about it.
Same. He may not be the best in the world but he's by far the most fun to watch.
This was such a GG!
Totally awesome game, great way to start the day.
Very cool and wild game !
I think if Bishop had tanked the spores with the rax and the cc, he could have won. Insane game. Thx Arty.
But what prevents the player from taking control of the spores and targeting wraiths? Micro shouldn't be an issue as the attack is super fast
@@nixnet83 maybe placing the cc and rax on top of the spores prevents the zerg to take control of them. Idk actually 😅
What a crazy game!
Why didn't Bishop use his starport or barracks to soak up shots from the spore at the end?
Hey ArtosisCasts
Killing the overlords was nicccce
Question been a while since I've seen a game - do people no longer split workers to different patches at the beginning of the game?
9 supply 9 rax becoming new meta? seeing pros experiment with this a lot lately both for tvp and tvz
Loved it!!
What a game, damn!!!
Earliest I've gotten to one of your videos! Thanks to pain waking me up at 5AM PST lol
welcome to my world
😮🙁
i was basicly born with a illness for the past 30+ years i wake up at night coz of pain and stiffness and other such things.@@YelenaSgt44
What a match!
he surely regrets letting the main spore getting build
Wow what a game!
Well, he could have builded 1 scv on the low ground island and play from there, Soulkey had only 1 muta. By the time Soulkey can attack that Island position he is well defended and gets is eco back on.
Would win anyway with better micro, he took tons of spore shots while attacking buildings when he wasnt supposed any hits with perfect micro.
Not really. It is as hard as it gets to micro that, bit on top of that, he didn't had a unit far out on the map to group with the wraits so they can stack togheder like we do with the mutas... and u can't control what goes on the sides.
@@13BlueShaDows he had 3 SCV, one of them in bottom left corner of the map, used all of them as suicide melee attackers for some reason.
@@amai2307 I think that when he started to attack the Hatchery, he only had 1 scv that was not paired with the wraiths because lings were hunting for it.
Ow I see now. When he started to attack the hatchery, he started to build a depo with his scv at 7oclock. he had it paired with the Wraiths, but when the SCV finished the Depo, it just come to where the Wraiths were and then he started to take dmg from the spores :D.
Why didn’t he float his E bay or Command Center to tank Spore shots?
One bunker and it would've been a win. Dude got rekt by a few lings while he was microing those wraiths
Awesome wraith micro
Damn, BishOp cut SCVs at 16? I'd love to see an aggressive wraith build that also manages to have an economy. Wraiths are fine versus mutas, but they struggle when you're down 1 gas vs 2.
I don't think I've ever seen a pro TvT on this channel.
Hmmm, I wonder why TvT isn't popular? Hmmmmmmmmmm.🙄
Maybe at killing Carriers?
Awesome game!!
Maybe they needed repairing
Nice match!
you're the man
Why didn't he try to land the cc at a different corner and mine? Was he just sure the zerglings would find him too quickly?
Precisely, he probably should've still tried, but he had no means of stopping his opponent from owning the ground and slaying every worker they find. He wouldn't be able to kill the lings fast enough.
crazy game
Yo Artosis cast us some 30-40minute pvz would love to see that
Would've been interesting if he reacted to that base trade by mining 16 more gas, making a dropship and then going to the island exp
if he had noticed that spore he would have won. was rooting for terran, love seeing wraiths they are brittle but they are underatted
Great game!
@ 7:10 the SCV intentionally stuck and grouped with wraiths, why??
Air units grouped with a unit that is really far away will stack up on one pixel, enabling optimal hit and run micro and protecting against smart targeting.
Amazing!!!
Feel like Bishop would have won if he hadn't gone immediately across the map with all of his wraiths.
I'm confused how come Bishop couldnt land his CC at another location?
He'd completely lost ground control and any chance of catching up to his opponent once he had to lift his buildings. He wouldn't be able to kill lings fast enough to protect SCVs and he needed his wraiths to dismantle the enemy base or he'd just make more mutas and win.
Sick game
yes they are!
finally spores!
Don't wraiths have a speed upgrade? Would that be better to deal with muta instead of cloak?
no, only cloak and energy
It's Protoss Scouts that get the speed upgrade. Wraiths just have cloak.
@@LL-kv1jk Okaay, I got that confused...
Trick question, the answer is zerglings.
Why didn't he build a dropship?
No is the answer
Bishop has just proved it again wraiths don’t fear mutas in a one on one battle. But harder for Terran to switch meta game than Zerg if it doesn’t work out 😅
me: I know the answer to this! "no". I guess I can skip this video
(/s)
Can you group the wraiths with a marine in a bunker?
Marine in a bunker is removed from control group I think.
Units stored in a dropship or bunker are unselectable and thus removed from the control group.
Soulkey, ASL 17 Champion! Mark my words.
Nah it’s going to be Zealot lol
@@FlymanMSZelot is destroyed
@@FlymanMS There's no Zealot in ASL 17. If you meant to say ZeloT, well, spoiler alert, he was knocked out in Ro24.
wtff he couldve landed it at the other base underneath, he had money for scvs
Bro. Terrans should have a Bunker at the front in every single game. There's literally NO reason to not spend 100 minerals to protect against ling runbys.
Pro builds are so optimized that they'll try to cut corners any chance they get, leading to situations like these. Artosis just had a video a few days ago where ZeLot's guardian rush lost because of 2 valks. If those 2 valks had come out 10 seconds later then ZeLot would've won.
WOW~! jsut WOW~!
Should’ve started an scv somewhere else and started mining. Would’ve been an easy dub
Not quite, lings lock down most of the map since he ceded ground control. and even starting up again from square 1 safely would lose him the macro game, it was wipe the enemy base with his wraiths or lose the moment he had to lift buildings.
zelot level entertaining. crazy game
wow nice
yes, they are.
insanity
Cool game
Amazing game wtf
What is up with wraiths? The last time I watched BW they were considered useless and we're only used to snipe carriers and workers. Did the meta evolve and they became more popular?
Wow, great game. Is BishOp the best wraith player?