@@kto_prochel_tot_poshel_nahuy But it's kinda weird how he just says it out of nowhere, and his facial expressions have that "I know who you really are" look to them
@@taygoooo Your interpretation of his facial expressions completely misses how that was intentional. His voice tone, the shots of Bruce feeling dread and panic, the music; it all plays up to the assumption that Riddler knows Batman is Bruce. But then all of that is subverted as soon as he says Bruce is the only one they didn't get (notice the music stops abruptly, as a good example).
I like that in this scene both overestimated the other. Riddler thought that Batman was smart enough to riddle his puzzles while Batman thought Riddler was smart enough to discover his identity
Yo crazy how bats was on the verge of tears until he said “he’s the only one we didn’t get” he looks at him in brief relief and safely goes back to being Batman 🤣
And that's because while Mitchell, Falcone, Savage, and Colson were corrupt, Bruce wasn't. Riddler just saw his status as an orphan as stolen valor, and is too unwell to understand that there's a difference between being actually corrupt and turning to a mob boss out of desperation when an sleazy journalist won't accept the hush money you gave him to not expose your wife's mental health issues.
But imagine if he knew that Batman was Bruce Wayne. He very much resents Bruce and I wonder how he would react to his “hero” being the rich orphan he despised.
I remember it was dead silent in our theater during this scene. My brother and I were on edge the entire time. Everyone who worked on this film did a fantastic job.
That is exactly why I love Matt Reeves approach to this. He gets that the whole reason why Batman is such a complicated character is that the moment he begins to do something about the crime in his city, it inspired even worse, purer forms of crime and terrorism to blossom out of his existence. Like Joker, without Batman, none of this level of sadistic horror would have ever happened, Gotham would have just been swallowed by simple traditional organised gang crime. The second he started to force things to get better, everything got worse.
This is the only time a “we’re not so different you and I” speech has worked for me because it wasn’t belittling the protagonist, it was the antagonist adoring the protagonist which makes it all the more jarring and terrifying for the Batman and the audience
@@thesundayseshladsyou nailed it. That’s why a theme of The Dark Knight was “escalation” - once they realized Joker was right about Batman being the true problem, the mob turned to someone who could be just as theatrical and push limits like the Batman.
I love how Batman thinks that Riddler discovered his real identity, also the cameras recording, he is in shock and in fanger... but then, Riddler doesn't relate Batman as Bruce Wayne so the music stops, and he can look at him
@@rayjardiolin5035 it is lol both Sherlock and Moriarty are symbols of two sides of the same coin , both inteligent but one on the good side and one on the Bad side. You could Say then that Batman and riddler in this movie are based on their character symbolism
PAUL DANO IS A MASSIVE, SPECTACULAR ACTOR. THIS SCENE AND THAT OTHER WHEN POLICE CATCH HIM AT A COFFEE SHOP WITH HIM SMILING AT BATMAN ... GIVES ME THE CHILLS
Comparing the Riddler/Batman interaction with the Batman/Joker interaction is a shot by shot surprise. Joker is a clouded shape to a revealed Batman while Riddler is illuminated to a shaded Batman in this scene. Each becomes either a haze or apparent as they look at each other from a flipped mirror.
When Riddler starts screaming and Batman stops making fun of the guy who he thinks is evil, realizing "Oh crap, he's actually insane. That makes sense."
4:45 I cant take this part seriously bc it sounds too much like that one cat meme were the cat is readily say "no no no no no" in a weird voice! HELP I CAN'T UNHEAR IR OMG!!!
Man , i just really imagine the alliance of this Riddler and Arthur Fleck ( Joker ) . Both have a tragical backstory , they hate the corrupt elite of Gotham and both nearly brings the absolute end of Gotham .
They fit perfectly together but riddler is far better written. Not in this movie but in riddler year one by paul dano. Fantastic comic and you see his horrific story like you said. The Joker in this universe, I doubt is as sympathetic as Arthur fleck.
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I really think they missed a massive opportunity making Joaquin's Joker Pattinson's. They literally have the same atmosphere and look to their movies!
It's crazy how the inflections in Dano's voice really adds to the scene. Riddler goes from admiring Batman to condescending him, which is how you're able to tell when the Riddler begins his hatred for Batman
Imagine if Don Mitchell’s son was there with Bella, his mom, James Gordon & Batman He would easily shout & punish the Riddler to a pulp Hope you like my script (Mitchell’s son is bought into an interrogation room where the Riddler is standing waiting patiently for him to speak) Riddler: (whispers viscously) Well, well. The mayor’s son. How delightful. 😈 (chuckles menacingly) Mitchell’s son: (turns away from the Riddler for a second & slams the interrogation door shut and locks it & puts a chair in front of the door to stop Bella, James, his mom or the Batman from entering. He lets out a roar like an angry tiger about to eat its prey & rugby tackles the Riddler and starts to punch & shout at him) Mitchell’s son: YOU BROKE INTO MY HOUSE!!! KILLED MY FATHER!!!! (He continues to punch as the Riddler cackles manically every time he punches him. Eventually; Batman manages to kick down the door and he, James, Bella & Mitchell’s wife enter the interrogation room & Batman pulls Mitchell’s son off the Riddler & James pulls the Riddler away from him. Mitchell’s son glares at the Riddler; trembling with anger)
I see The Batman as an elseworld tale like Batman Earth One (an inspiration for the movies alfred). So I don't expect classic riddler. This is a completely different character to me.
Why do you think the Riddler said "Bruce Wayne" the first couple of times before he sighed and then told his backstory? Do you think he suspected Batman was Bruce Wayne and therefore was baiting him in order to get a reaction?
it was more about riddler just being frustrated that bruce escaped the bomb, he doesnt care who batman is, and his mental stability would snap if he knew batman was bruce, another “rich asshole” that had his life handed to him on a silver platter
@@fayiz9417 But if you follow his facial expressions, when he says Bruce's name the first time, it appears to be a look of recognition, and when he says it the second time, he seems to be baiting Batman and trying to get a reaction from him. But when Batman makes no reply, the Riddler sighs.
@@Sisyphus27 He kept saying "Bruce Wayne", and then Batman looked at the camera and Riddler just had that look of "I thought you were Bruce, and you just confirmed it". That's how I see it anyway.
One thing that’s always been consistent with the riddler whether it be in cartoons, comic, movies and video games he’ll always have a massive ego that’s so fragile that a small pebble could break it.
The Riddler freaking out is because yet again, he has been abandoned. First, he was abandoned by his parents, neglected in an orphanage with a high mortality rate, then when Thomas was murdered and the Renewal Fund was stolen, he saw that as Thomas and the city at large abandoning him. The media focusing on Bruce, the orphaned billionaire, over the poor orphans in the former Wayne Manor, was yet another abandonment, which is why Riddler accuses Bruce of stolen valor. Now, Batman, the masked vigilante who he idolized, who he believed approved of him, who he saw as a friend, abandoned him. Yes, Riddler is dangerous, but he also needs serious psychiatric help.
The truly abandoned and not like Bruce Wayne. Abandoned by his parents death who was left with everything within his desire vs the villains parents abandoned them by choice. There is always an another side to the story. Because Batman exists means there’s crime exists too
He wanted to show Batman that the difference between a parent that was taken from him vs the parents that abandoned him. In the end you only lost your parents. Riddler said I lost everything. The privilege giving a lecture to the condemn.
In the original comics The riddler knows his identity but he can't for some reason reveal the information. So he creates Riddles lol in this one ... he is telegraphing BANE
Bruce seems socially awkward and riddler probably thinks Bruce just never goes outside While Batman has been fighting crime for 2 years and seems alot more confident (as if batman was his actual true self :))) )
I understand the twist here, but it feels cheap. He should have said "he was the only one we didn't get" before giving the speech. Otherwise, i have no choice to assume that he actually does know Batman's identity and was messing with him.
I always assume that all iterations of Riddlers(from Edward Nigma to Nashton) have an inkling, a whisper at the back of their neuraly condensed cortex, that the Batman and Bruce are one. He knew that Bruce and Batman are the same person, but his ego and his need to defeat the Batman, a person he views to have the same intellectual level as he, cannot accept that a sheltered trustfund kiddo like Bruce could be the Bats.
@@blastermaster5039I’ve always had that assumption as well, I always thought he was like the joker in the sense that if he really wanted to find out his identity then he could but that’s not what he’s looking for
@@blastermaster5039 It's actually touched upon in the Batman storyline "Hush", during which Riddler figures out Batman's identity and proceeds to threaten him with exposure, only for Batman to respond that solving such an important riddle as "Who is Batman?" for others instead of leaving the question open and basking in the glory of being the only one who knows the answer would go against the very nature of Riddler's character, so he'd never actually pull through on the threat. A visibly shaken Riddler kind of concedes this point by abandoning his glib, eloquent demeanor and simply telling Batman to "piss off". I've often imagined a similar situation being the case with various incarnations of Riddler.
The riddler knows that the Batman is Bruce Wayne he just teased him on that and then diverted the subject on his childhood He knows that the camera is recording the convo This is mind games to another level
![Batman interrogates the Joker | The Dark Knight [4k, HDR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jane6C4rIwc/mqdefault.jpg)
I love the relief you can see in Batman’s eyes when he realizes Riddler does not know he Bruce. It’s so subtle yet so effective.
He literally just told him his name?
@@taygoooo he said his name as last target, not because he means he knows bat real name
@@kto_prochel_tot_poshel_nahuy But it's kinda weird how he just says it out of nowhere, and his facial expressions have that "I know who you really are" look to them
@@taygoooo Your interpretation of his facial expressions completely misses how that was intentional. His voice tone, the shots of Bruce feeling dread and panic, the music; it all plays up to the assumption that Riddler knows Batman is Bruce. But then all of that is subverted as soon as he says Bruce is the only one they didn't get (notice the music stops abruptly, as a good example).
@ilytaygo He literally left a letter addressed to Batman that was to be opened after Bruce died, you do realise that right?
I like that in this scene both overestimated the other. Riddler thought that Batman was smart enough to riddle his puzzles while Batman thought Riddler was smart enough to discover his identity
Yo crazy how bats was on the verge of tears until he said “he’s the only one we didn’t get” he looks at him in brief relief and safely goes back to being Batman 🤣
Very, very brief relief.
And that's because while Mitchell, Falcone, Savage, and Colson were corrupt, Bruce wasn't. Riddler just saw his status as an orphan as stolen valor, and is too unwell to understand that there's a difference between being actually corrupt and turning to a mob boss out of desperation when an sleazy journalist won't accept the hush money you gave him to not expose your wife's mental health issues.
3:04-3:07 I love how the suspenseful music cuts the minute he realizes Riddler doesn’t know his identity
It’s amazing
After all, Riddler doesn't even care about "identity", he actually sees him as he is, Batman.
yeah that was a really nice touch
But imagine if he knew that Batman was Bruce Wayne. He very much resents Bruce and I wonder how he would react to his “hero” being the rich orphan he despised.
First time I saw this I felt my stomach unclench.
I remember it was dead silent in our theater during this scene. My brother and I were on edge the entire time. Everyone who worked on this film did a fantastic job.
Same my brother and I were edging all movie long!
Movie sucks though.
The film is incredible, always rewatching it
Was it not dead silent throughout? Ain’t exactly a jump out of your seats yelling movie lol
@@azaanbot3333FR I LOVE EDGING WITH MY BROTHER AT THE MOVIES!!
When he tells him that Batman inspired him, he's absolutely telling the truth.
That is exactly why I love Matt Reeves approach to this. He gets that the whole reason why Batman is such a complicated character is that the moment he begins to do something about the crime in his city, it inspired even worse, purer forms of crime and terrorism to blossom out of his existence. Like Joker, without Batman, none of this level of sadistic horror would have ever happened, Gotham would have just been swallowed by simple traditional organised gang crime. The second he started to force things to get better, everything got worse.
This is the only time a “we’re not so different you and I” speech has worked for me because it wasn’t belittling the protagonist, it was the antagonist adoring the protagonist which makes it all the more jarring and terrifying for the Batman and the audience
@@thesundayseshladsyou nailed it. That’s why a theme of The Dark Knight was “escalation” - once they realized Joker was right about Batman being the true problem, the mob turned to someone who could be just as theatrical and push limits like the Batman.
I love how Batman thinks that Riddler discovered his real identity, also the cameras recording, he is in shock and in fanger... but then, Riddler doesn't relate Batman as Bruce Wayne so the music stops, and he can look at him
I love how the writers succeeded in convincing the audience to think that Riddler knew Bat's true identity.
"bruce....wayne. Bruuuuuuce...waaaayne"
If Batman were Sherlock Holmes
Riddler would definitely be his Moriarty
The intellectual equal and perfect mirror opposite to Batman
I love Paul Dano
THATS SUCH A COOL SYMBOLISM OMG
@@lou626that’s not symbolism lol
@@rayjardiolin5035 it is lol
both Sherlock and Moriarty are symbols of two sides of the same coin , both inteligent but one on the good side and one on the Bad side. You could Say then that Batman and riddler in this movie are based on their character symbolism
@@lou626 eh, maybe you’re right, never was that great at English lol
When riddler starts singing I think it’s absolutely hilarious 😂
Better then Jim Carrey? 🤔
PAUL DANO IS A MASSIVE, SPECTACULAR ACTOR. THIS SCENE AND THAT OTHER WHEN POLICE CATCH HIM AT A COFFEE SHOP WITH HIM SMILING AT BATMAN ... GIVES ME THE CHILLS
4:44 what an amazing acting by Paul here.. goosebumps
I fricking love Paul Dano!
This was my introduction to Paul dano and love him as Riddler
@@redalert923 He's truly a versatile actor! Kindly checkout his other works
@@redalert923he is in prisoners as well
@@redalert923 check out “There will be blood.” He is really good in that as well. He plays a fanatic Pentecostal (I think) preacher.
Comparing the Riddler/Batman interaction with the Batman/Joker interaction is a shot by shot surprise.
Joker is a clouded shape to a revealed Batman while Riddler is illuminated to a shaded Batman in this scene.
Each becomes either a haze or apparent as they look at each other from a flipped mirror.
Pattinson's shadow the hedgehog inspired young batman is pretty damn good.
Wtf are you saying
@@Mugen2024Pattinson is rumoured to play Shadow the Hedgehog in Sonic 3
@@kanemccarthy1979it’s Keanu Reeves actually
Still love Paul Dano's acting after all these years 😊😊
When Riddler starts screaming and Batman stops making fun of the guy who he thinks is evil, realizing "Oh crap, he's actually insane. That makes sense."
This scene could be key to how Hugo Strange will know Batman is Bruce Wayne.
Paul was really channeling Eli from TWBB here. Fantastic actor.
4:45 I cant take this part seriously bc it sounds too much like that one cat meme were the cat is readily say "no no no no no" in a weird voice! HELP I CAN'T UNHEAR IR OMG!!!
6:12
Nightwing: 🎶"You know I am a righteous man. Of my virtue I am justly proud"🎶
Paul Dano earns an Oscar for his performance as the riddler. He is ao much better than jim Carrey
"God....look at you"
I LOVE how this scene is playing with us, making us question whether he knows Batman's personality or not, just great!!
Man , i just really imagine the alliance of this Riddler and Arthur Fleck ( Joker ) . Both have a tragical backstory , they hate the corrupt elite of Gotham and both nearly brings the absolute end of Gotham .
They fit perfectly together but riddler is far better written. Not in this movie but in riddler year one by paul dano. Fantastic comic and you see his horrific story like you said. The Joker in this universe, I doubt is as sympathetic as Arthur fleck.
@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 I really think they missed a massive opportunity making Joaquin's Joker Pattinson's. They literally have the same atmosphere and look to their movies!
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 yeah kind of true. I get that. The Narrows in Batman Begins kinda looks similar too though not as much.
The batman 2022 and also joker 2019 are so realistic and intense
It's crazy how the inflections in Dano's voice really adds to the scene. Riddler goes from admiring Batman to condescending him, which is how you're able to tell when the Riddler begins his hatred for Batman
Imagine if Don Mitchell’s son was there with Bella, his mom, James Gordon & Batman
He would easily shout & punish the Riddler to a pulp
Hope you like my script
(Mitchell’s son is bought into an interrogation room where the Riddler is standing waiting patiently for him to speak)
Riddler: (whispers viscously) Well, well. The mayor’s son. How delightful. 😈 (chuckles menacingly)
Mitchell’s son: (turns away from the Riddler for a second & slams the interrogation door shut and locks it & puts a chair in front of the door to stop Bella, James, his mom or the Batman from entering. He lets out a roar like an angry tiger about to eat its prey & rugby tackles the Riddler and starts to punch & shout at him)
Mitchell’s son: YOU BROKE INTO MY HOUSE!!! KILLED MY FATHER!!!!
(He continues to punch as the Riddler cackles manically every time he punches him. Eventually; Batman manages to kick down the door and he, James, Bella & Mitchell’s wife enter the interrogation room & Batman pulls Mitchell’s son off the Riddler & James pulls the Riddler away from him. Mitchell’s son glares at the Riddler; trembling with anger)
I would love to see Paul Dano in the Question Mark suit with Question Marks all over it.
I see The Batman as an elseworld tale like Batman Earth One (an inspiration for the movies alfred). So I don't expect classic riddler. This is a completely different character to me.
Why do you think the Riddler said "Bruce Wayne" the first couple of times before he sighed and then told his backstory? Do you think he suspected Batman was Bruce Wayne and therefore was baiting him in order to get a reaction?
it was more about riddler just being frustrated that bruce escaped the bomb, he doesnt care who batman is, and his mental stability would snap if he knew batman was bruce, another “rich asshole” that had his life handed to him on a silver platter
@@fayiz9417 But if you follow his facial expressions, when he says Bruce's name the first time, it appears to be a look of recognition, and when he says it the second time, he seems to be baiting Batman and trying to get a reaction from him. But when Batman makes no reply, the Riddler sighs.
@Sisyphus27 Yeah he used the "Wow, I was right" sigh. It's a cheap twist if he actually doesn't know.
@@datadyneproductions9101 "Wow, I was right" meaning he thinks he was right about Batman not being Bruce Wayne?
@@Sisyphus27 He kept saying "Bruce Wayne", and then Batman looked at the camera and Riddler just had that look of "I thought you were Bruce, and you just confirmed it". That's how I see it anyway.
One thing that’s always been consistent with the riddler whether it be in cartoons, comic, movies and video games he’ll always have a massive ego that’s so fragile that a small pebble could break it.
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The Riddler freaking out is because yet again, he has been abandoned. First, he was abandoned by his parents, neglected in an orphanage with a high mortality rate, then when Thomas was murdered and the Renewal Fund was stolen, he saw that as Thomas and the city at large abandoning him. The media focusing on Bruce, the orphaned billionaire, over the poor orphans in the former Wayne Manor, was yet another abandonment, which is why Riddler accuses Bruce of stolen valor. Now, Batman, the masked vigilante who he idolized, who he believed approved of him, who he saw as a friend, abandoned him. Yes, Riddler is dangerous, but he also needs serious psychiatric help.
After rick Ross riddler screams no more
*This NEVER gets old.🦇*
This is how super hero movies should be, I pray they have more batman movies like this
As a Comedy, Jim Carey🐐 fan … this Riddler hit it out the park.
When batman visited riddler at arkham asylum, he confronts riddler, he asked him what have he's done
Whole anonymous people love Riddler.
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5:59 the birth of a meme
Drop yours below
1:14 Does he know?
Does he know?
The truly abandoned and not like Bruce Wayne. Abandoned by his parents death who was left with everything within his desire vs the villains parents abandoned them by choice. There is always an another side to the story. Because Batman exists means there’s crime exists too
Average Anime fan 😂
You?
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 Why me?
Paul dano is such a talented actor l loved his portrayal of the riddler better than jim carrey’s
4:40-4:42-4:53-4:56-4:59
He wanted to show Batman that the difference between a parent that was taken from him vs the parents that abandoned him. In the end you only lost your parents. Riddler said I lost everything. The privilege giving a lecture to the condemn.
3:26 Jim Carey is... *THE MASK!*
Wafts around his neck ?
Chains
broke him by saying he's not allat lmaaoo
In the original comics The riddler knows his identity but he can't for some reason reveal the information. So he creates Riddles lol
in this one ... he is telegraphing BANE
It’s odd tho. The Riddler was incredibly intelligent but couldn’t work out Bruce WAS Batman…..
did you even watch the video?? 0:57
Bruce seems socially awkward and riddler probably thinks Bruce just never goes outside
While Batman has been fighting crime for 2 years and seems alot more confident (as if batman was his actual true self :))) )
I understand the twist here, but it feels cheap. He should have said "he was the only one we didn't get" before giving the speech. Otherwise, i have no choice to assume that he actually does know Batman's identity and was messing with him.
I always assume that all iterations of Riddlers(from Edward Nigma to Nashton) have an inkling, a whisper at the back of their neuraly condensed cortex, that the Batman and Bruce are one. He knew that Bruce and Batman are the same person, but his ego and his need to defeat the Batman, a person he views to have the same intellectual level as he, cannot accept that a sheltered trustfund kiddo like Bruce could be the Bats.
@@blastermaster5039I’ve always had that assumption as well, I always thought he was like the joker in the sense that if he really wanted to find out his identity then he could but that’s not what he’s looking for
@@blastermaster5039 It's actually touched upon in the Batman storyline "Hush", during which Riddler figures out Batman's identity and proceeds to threaten him with exposure, only for Batman to respond that solving such an important riddle as "Who is Batman?" for others instead of leaving the question open and basking in the glory of being the only one who knows the answer would go against the very nature of Riddler's character, so he'd never actually pull through on the threat. A visibly shaken Riddler kind of concedes this point by abandoning his glib, eloquent demeanor and simply telling Batman to "piss off".
I've often imagined a similar situation being the case with various incarnations of Riddler.
The joker like 👍. )
Its recording 😅. )
The riddler knows that the Batman is Bruce Wayne he just teased him on that and then diverted the subject on his childhood
He knows that the camera is recording the convo
This is mind games to another level
the singing is a little long thus awkward but okay
Where are they!!!!!
The cringe from this scene is unreal.
This Riddler is so annoying
Even Jim Carrey's version of the Riddler was better in Batman Forever (1995)
Responding to your own posts kid? 😂
@@sikanderlal8229 kid forgot to change to his alt account to further validate his trash opinion.
Paul kind of over acted here in this scene
A movie full of Hollywood leftovers.
Awful Batman movie.
Robert Pattinson is awful as Batman. I don’t like this version of Batman making him all emo smh
nah, best batman movie, robert is a way better batman than that goofy ass christian bale batman
@@sorafamesmo8530 Watch Keaton.
Even Kilmer and Clooney are better.
L take and the cowboys lost to the packers L team
@@NickBoss243 And packers lost too.
@@josecarranza7555 oh boy, are you on drugs? for real, tell me, why do you think this batman is bad?
Nobody knows a kid who got lost in the cliffs
After I walked saw vivia at night at the auto shop next to Wynne doesn't remember me
They didn't figure it out non gang bang we still gotttttt there whollllee thingggg
Want to leave the hospital get my job won't bc hide hide hide
Job job job