Batman Is Selfless

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  • Batman: The Animated Series was the main piece of media to bring complexity out of comics and into the mainstream. Slowly, Batman and his villains are becoming shells of their former selves.
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  • @RobertV_YT
    @RobertV_YT  21 день тому +288

    I see a lot of confusion and disagreement around my comment that Bruce is Batman's persona and he has been replaced by Batman. I'm discussing BTAS and the writers' bible which can be found here:
    tvwriting.co.uk/tv_scripts/Collections/Animation/Batman/Batman_Writers%27_Guidelines.pdf
    It supports my points in the character section. It's also a really interesting read if you like Batman or the show.
    I posted it in a few other comments so I might as well put it here because I think some people are mixing versions of Batman. After all, he is unique in certain ways across all media. I forgot to include it in the video so here is the supporting evidence from the creators.

    • @phsquared1000
      @phsquared1000 20 днів тому +10

      This guideline they followed for the show works perfectly for BTAS because they still made Batman empathetic, nuanced, and kind. I think the problem with this stance for a lot of people nowadays is that most modern Batman runs and adaptions have him as violent, ruthless, and borderline uncaring to his villains. This would be fine if he had growth or developed from this, but they keep doing the same arc for him and regressing him back to this. It always ends in a positive arc conclusion, but then they just do it again with everyone acting OOC like we just had in the most recent comic run.
      The Batman with Battison seems to (this could totally go the opposite direction in the sequel) have Bruce realize he needs to change at the end of the movie. He has that entire literal baptism symbolism moment in the water and becoming a beacon of light/hope for the people where the kid was the first one to follow his lead out of the building. Then we have that long shot of him waiting with that person on the stretcher as a moment of kindness and reassurance because he doesn’t want to be just a symbol of vengeance and fear anymore.

    • @saeedzafaar
      @saeedzafaar 19 днів тому +1

      ​@@phsquared1000I Agree100%

    • @saeedzafaar
      @saeedzafaar 19 днів тому +2

      Another very good example is the banquet scene in Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, where everyone is wearing a mask. When Selina asks "who are you supposed to be?", Bruce replies by saying something like "eccentric billionaire Bruce Wayne", which implies that Bruce Wayne IS a mask...a disguise. That's what Rachel says to him at the end of Batman Begins.

    • @AkaiAzul
      @AkaiAzul 18 днів тому +2

      @@saeedzafaar Exactly. To Bruce, he might as well have died alongside his parents, and from the cave rose the Batman he embodied.

    • @silentfanatic
      @silentfanatic 18 днів тому +2

      It wasn't just BTAS. It's true in the comics, too. There's a moment where Wonder Woman has Bruce and Superman hold the Lasso of Truth and speak their true names. She says, "Diana," Superman says, "Clark Kent." Bruce says, "Batman."

  • @fangworl5170
    @fangworl5170 26 днів тому +3173

    "Could you picture your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, that's a certified Batman. If no, then that's the Punisher in a silly hat."
    -Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions

    • @Inferno144
      @Inferno144 26 днів тому +80

      PUNISHER IN A SILLY HAT-
      HAHAHA

    • @lucas.n.carvalho.artist
      @lucas.n.carvalho.artist 25 днів тому +110

      Funny considering how we're introduced to Bruce in BvS by being at ground zero of Man of Steel's final fight, and see him try to save who he can, and even confort a child who lost her mother.

    • @JackMorgan06
      @JackMorgan06 25 днів тому +82

      @@lucas.n.carvalho.artistwell yeah, we mean as batman. if he didn’t do it as bruce he’d be a monster

    • @gregfoster3757
      @gregfoster3757 25 днів тому +43

      Even Zacks batman comforters a child in the begging of BvS also no don't care for Snyder's version but people forget that batman being compassionate to more than a child tho is when you know it's batman like his villains

    • @Rengokuo4o6
      @Rengokuo4o6 24 дні тому +23

      Bro comforting children is the baseline for all Superheroes, it isn't something peculiar to only Batman. Even All-star Batman who is just an asshole at some point comforted Dick when he took him in. Even the punisher does it which makes this quote just weird.

  • @ryszakowy
    @ryszakowy 25 днів тому +1948

    kevin conroy said it the best at the end of arkham city
    "wanna hear something funny? even after everything you've done, i still would have saved you"

    • @thegreatacolyt1277
      @thegreatacolyt1277 25 днів тому +24

      Great moment but now days his no kill rule sucks it's not good anymore

    • @Cell287
      @Cell287 25 днів тому +161

      @@thegreatacolyt1277no, he doesn’t kill because if he does, he’s no better than the man who killed his parents.

    • @thegreatacolyt1277
      @thegreatacolyt1277 25 днів тому +41

      @Cell287 that's just factually not true but I still love his no kill rule but now days its done poorly cuz they take away his humanity and make him overly brutal so I can't buy new batmen not killing it's dumb and bad writing

    • @justagundam
      @justagundam 23 дні тому +78

      ​@@thegreatacolyt1277Then you don't know Batman.

    • @thegreatacolyt1277
      @thegreatacolyt1277 23 дні тому +14

      @justagundam I do that's why I don't like most modern batman adaptations. They ether fumble the rule so fucking hard or they just ignore it

  • @CalByrne
    @CalByrne 27 днів тому +2240

    Someone tell Zack that Bruce doesn't drink alcohol

    • @CaffeineVampire
      @CaffeineVampire 26 днів тому +163

      I was thinking that too, like how can that be "who batman is" if batman doesn't drink lol

    • @JFTSwiertz
      @JFTSwiertz 26 днів тому +101

      ​@CaffeineVampire, I'd love to see a batman who drinks mocktails. A huge helping of alcohol in the manor, Alfred mixes up something for himself and Jason, D&D get a coke and batsy just has a shirley temple.

    • @aicarrie1
      @aicarrie1 26 днів тому +138

      Tony Stark is the one who drank alcohol. I think that Zack Snyder had the two men confused.

    • @sethwells1602
      @sethwells1602 26 днів тому +55

      The batman Zack brought in is the one that lost everyone Jason Todd was thought to be dead and don't get me wrong batman doesn't drink like an alcoholic or anything but he does drink at quote unquote Bruce Wayne events but not a lot I think his idea was to make him a little more human more realistic

    • @lucas.n.carvalho.artist
      @lucas.n.carvalho.artist 25 днів тому +51

      ​@@sethwells1602 Exactly. He showed us a Bruce Wayne who's old and lost everything, it made sense for him to have these type of destructive habits.
      And it's even more inspiring when we see how much he changes for the better in ZSJL.

  • @The_Mimewar
    @The_Mimewar 20 днів тому +525

    Ace. Ace is Batman’s best moment across all media. Sitting with a god level little girl as she dies, instead of using a weapon to kill her.

    • @ClickBeetleTV
      @ClickBeetleTV 19 днів тому

      This is the most Batman scene of all, yeah

    • @afd1040
      @afd1040 17 днів тому +47

      Even as a kid that scene broke me.

    • @commanderwolf_gaming5191
      @commanderwolf_gaming5191 16 днів тому +18

      The feels that moment gave was intense.

    • @desiboy4444
      @desiboy4444 16 днів тому +69

      Someone once said that as a kid, he thought this was Batman’s easiest fight, because all he had to do was sit next to a child. But as an adult, he realized, that “fight” was his most difficult.

    • @genesismultiverse4896
      @genesismultiverse4896 12 днів тому +21

      We can all agree the people who said let give the guy who ask where is the s*x in a superman comic to direct a cinematic universe should be fired

  • @OctavioMagnus
    @OctavioMagnus 16 днів тому +590

    "If you cant imagine Batman comforting a scared child, then you didnt wrote Batman, you wrote Punisher with a funny hat".

    • @genesismultiverse4896
      @genesismultiverse4896 12 днів тому +11

      Also snyderverse batman isn't even adapting the story Zack "likes" right since that batman explained why he doesn't use guns while snyderverse DERP I'M GONNA USE GUNS

    • @OctavioMagnus
      @OctavioMagnus 12 днів тому +8

      @@genesismultiverse4896 There are things that I like in SnyderVerse. Batman isnt one of them.

    • @youtubeuniversity3638
      @youtubeuniversity3638 11 днів тому +4

      - Red

    • @TT-wi8mq
      @TT-wi8mq 10 днів тому +1

      Well said.

    • @tio_john
      @tio_john 8 днів тому

      ​@@OctavioMagnus I like his batman, mostly the outfit because that one is just perfect. I liked how he was the guy who was wrong the hole movie and in the end he changes back to the hero he was, as seen in justice league. Also he does comfort a child in BvS. I understand not liking him as a matter of taste but if people want to be complete critical they should análise the movie as a hole not just go with what someone says.

  • @usernamesmeannothing
    @usernamesmeannothing 24 дні тому +1116

    One thing I love from the recent Nightwing run is from issue 100 where Dick tells Bruce “You were young, you were driven and you were grieving. And you put all that aside to take in a kid who had lost everything in an instant.” He continues, saying: “You didn’t have to do that. You could have turned your back on me.” Bruce says “No, I couldn’t.” Dick replies and says “No. You couldn’t. And I’ve tried to repay that kindness every day of my life since.” That is Batman. That is who he is. He lives to protect people not just as Batman, but as Bruce Wayne. People seem to forget the latter...

    • @SonicMegaKing
      @SonicMegaKing 21 день тому +10

      But he didn't protect Dick Grayson as Bruce Wayne, he did so as Batman, which is really pretty screwed up. He should've arranged for proper foster care, not turned him into a child soldier. Hell, he could've made his own orphanage, screened every caretaker, and made sure Dick and many others had access to everything they could need.

    • @FoolishPrince
      @FoolishPrince 21 день тому +106

      ​@@SonicMegaKinghow many people in foster care would be able to relate and understand Dick?
      Bruce took him in and wasnt just like "in going to train this kid to be Robin", but intended the kid to have a somewhat normal life.
      Unfortunately Dicks hurt and rage compelled him to seek out Zuko, his families murderer, to get revenge and it almost got him killed.
      THAT'S when Bruce decided to train him to fight, survive and to have empathy and compassion.
      I ask you, what foster care would have been able to help him or save him when Dick decided to hunt the murderer on his own?
      Nope, Bruce was the best course: in fact, they were what each other needed at the time.
      Change my mind.

    • @akiMKH
      @akiMKH 20 днів тому +38

      @@SonicMegaKing except, Dick was hurting and raging. He sought out Zuko just like FoolishPrince said. Dick would've gotten himself killed, if Bruce didn't take him in.

    • @OuttoLunch2552
      @OuttoLunch2552 19 днів тому +61

      @@FoolishPrince Reminds me of this scene from Young Justice:
      Wonder Woman : You indoctrinated Robin into crimefighting at the ripe-old age of nine.
      Batman : Robin needed to help bring the man who murdered his family to justice.
      Wonder Woman : So he could turn out like you?
      Batman : So that he wouldn't.

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. 18 днів тому +5

      Peak 🥹

  • @philliptivis3082
    @philliptivis3082 22 дні тому +789

    Watched "Baby Doll" with my 10 year old daughter. That last "I didn't mean to" broke me like it always does. As the credits rolled, I looked over and saw my daughter crying, too. "That was a sad one, Dad, but I liked it."

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. 18 днів тому +30

      That’s beautiful ❤️

    • @saitouhajime3
      @saitouhajime3 12 днів тому +23

      The show was ahead of is time, and created some of ours own great villains. Harley and Baby Doll along them. Mary not getting seen for what she wanted to be seen as is also a tragedy. She just wanted to be acknowledged as more than her role, than a child from a TV show.
      It's almost like Daniel Radcliffe. After Harry Potter, he tried to branch out, almost like he was rebelling again the role. Mark Hamel, ironically enough, is a great example. Luke Skywalker and Joker.

    • @mortystraphouse5077
      @mortystraphouse5077 10 днів тому

      let your daughter watch [the zone of interest] next

    • @knuxuki1013
      @knuxuki1013 6 днів тому +2

      @@philliptivis3082 That's so freaking beautiful, this is what these characters are meant for

  • @pauloaugustolazzarotto5569
    @pauloaugustolazzarotto5569 23 дні тому +701

    Something I liked a lot in The Batman movie is how Bruce realizes his anger and violance will only generate more of it, and to overcome this he has to be something else, he has to be hope

    • @daltysmilth
      @daltysmilth 22 дні тому +84

      Yeah, I think Matt Reeves gets it. Christopher Nolan got it too. That moment in Batman begins when he gives the Game of Thrones kid his parascope thing. And when he volunteers to let Gordon throw him under the bus at the end of the Dark Knight. He could have let Harvey Dent take the fall, he could have told Gordon to blame everything on the Joker, but Gotham was more important to him than his own reputation.

    • @antoinemonks4187
      @antoinemonks4187 21 день тому +45

      Completely agree! That ending was the moment when The Batman stopped being 'vengeance' and became a hero.

    • @kos8571
      @kos8571 20 днів тому +3

      I think I wouldn't describe him as intrinsically selfless character but hopefully he can at the very least he can develop into one

    • @BillyBowlster
      @BillyBowlster 19 днів тому +6

      @@daltysmilth He's a tragic hero, if you take that away then he's just some vigilante in a costume, as shallow as a puddle.

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. 18 днів тому +1

      @@kos8571
      Would you not?
      His entire mission is to end crime and the evil that took his parents. I think there’s his own other intentions with mere vengeance against the world, but it’s not as if he prioritizes his own pursuits above the lives of others. They ARE what he desires to help.
      I suppose you could also say that he learns to stop seeking vengeance because it gets in the way of his heroism, although I’d say that’s more exemplative of him growing as a man, and not his innermost intentions

  • @gelchert
    @gelchert 24 дні тому +424

    My favorite example that's not in this video is the end of "The Man Who Killed Batman." Batman has just reappeared after his apparent death, and takes the man believed responsible, "Sid the Squid," to prison. However, he lets the other inmates believe that Sid is actually a criminal genius who _almost_ killed Batman, instead of the meek, bumbling coward he really is. Batman didn't have to do that, but he saw that Sid was harmless and just wanted a little respect, so he let Sid keep his (unearned) reputation among Gotham’s underworld.

  • @dazzlethestar151
    @dazzlethestar151 25 днів тому +220

    Batman is at his best when he's being the hero he truly is, wanting to help his villains and doing everything in his power to make Gotham a better place, not just being edgy and violent.

    • @disgusting634
      @disgusting634 22 дні тому

      Melanie ❤

    • @dazzlethestar151
      @dazzlethestar151 22 дні тому

      @@disgusting634 Yes Melanie!! :3

    • @JohnMasterCheif
      @JohnMasterCheif 16 днів тому +8

      which is sad, cause most people would think Flash is the only one who tries to help out his Rogues

    • @Seyanoo
      @Seyanoo 10 днів тому +2

      I mean I wouldn’t use edgy and violent considering Gotham criminal he’s facing off are deranged psychopaths, so he has to be the terror to them. But I agree that writer forget to write Batman as his best when he’s the caring compassionate hero we know him as.

  • @johnkeenan1829
    @johnkeenan1829 25 днів тому +417

    There was a scene in a comic quite a few years ago (I believe written by Doug Moench) in which Batman saves a woman from something (can't remember what), brings her up to a rooftop, and she starts sobbing. He holds her and says 'it's alright let it out, I'm right here". THAT is Batman.

  • @sleepinggorilla
    @sleepinggorilla 23 дні тому +215

    Paul Dini wrote a comic about when he was assaulted and robbed. He talks to the various characters from TAS, but Batman is notably quiet. Dini wonders where Batman falls in all of this, why didn't Batman protect him after all Paul has done for him?
    Batman finally speaks, telling him that he was there when Dini was left on the ground injured. He was the one who told Paul to get up and survive.

  • @TheGreatDanish
    @TheGreatDanish 19 днів тому +91

    The most iconic scene for me with Batman is him sitting with Ace as she dies. He is compassion. He understands pain, trauma, heartbreak, and loss. He understands it all so keenly and his most powerful, fundamental desire is to see no one else suffer it.

  • @LyricalOutlaw
    @LyricalOutlaw 20 днів тому +109

    Bruce asking for his parents to forgive him is my favorite scene in any movie ever.
    I did count on being happy.
    I cry every time

  • @Jason-wp7ed
    @Jason-wp7ed 26 днів тому +166

    I legit bust out laughing when you said dressing up like a bat & spending every second dedicated to recapturing the same 15 people every night takes extreme dedication 😂😂

  • @andrewrivera190
    @andrewrivera190 24 дні тому +80

    1:30 I love the scene in Beyond where Bruce tells Terry his inner voice doesn’t even refer to him as Bruce.

  • @ekathe85
    @ekathe85 18 днів тому +27

    "I know I made a promise, but I didn't see this coming. I didn't count on being happy"
    Damn.

  • @Hogan231
    @Hogan231 23 дні тому +62

    Rest In Peace Kevin Conroy.
    I still miss your voice.
    I AM VENGEANCE, I AM THE NIGHT, I AM BATMAN!

  • @dewshbag16
    @dewshbag16 22 дні тому +44

    As the late great, legend Batman himself, Kevin Conroy once said (I’m paraphrasing) Batman’s compassion, especially his compassion towards his villains is his greatest strength.

  • @shajita
    @shajita 25 днів тому +93

    Wonderful video.
    This is also why, despite being quite unpopular with a certain sub-set of the fanbase, why Robin is integral to Batman. Batmans life was stolen from him, and in his own way, it drove him mad. But by building a family of his own, he is reclaiming that life. Dick, Jason, Tim, Damian, Barbara, Gordon and Alfred gives Batman hope, and he channels that hope outward. Both to Gotham, and to us, the readers/viewers/players.

  • @amead78
    @amead78 23 дні тому +59

    Baby Doll was an adult inside a child’s body while Batman was a child inside an adult’s body.

  • @awildpichu6289
    @awildpichu6289 27 днів тому +344

    Everytime I say I hate batman, I always mean the modern one, the "batgod" as some people dubbed him. Batman was always at his best not as an overpowered human character, but as the *human* superhero. The one who tries to help his villians instead of crippling them and then saying "I dont kill so im not evil". All my favorite batman media is when batman is showing his humanity instead of simply being dark and cold to everyone. Thank you for talking about this batman

    • @Linklex7
      @Linklex7 26 днів тому +27

      I love Batman, I hate modern Batman and most Batman fans who make him godlike with the blasted prep time

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 26 днів тому +38

      I dislike Modern Batman as well
      . I always think of this quote from Batman Beyond and how it describes how Batman has fallen: 'I don't hate him. I hate what he's become.'

    • @RobertV_YT
      @RobertV_YT  26 днів тому +18

      My thoughts exactly

    • @ryszakowy
      @ryszakowy 25 днів тому +9

      "modern batman" is enough
      everything "modern" is completel fucking trash

    • @nightwing1491
      @nightwing1491 24 дні тому +17

      I feel like The Batman movie directed by Matt Reeves did a great job of showing that plus if I'm not mistaken, that movies inspiration was from Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman: The Animated Series.

  • @scibus2593
    @scibus2593 25 днів тому +85

    See I like The Batman (2022) largely because Robert Battinson isn't properly Batman yet, he's just "Vengeance", who is a sorta extreme version of a Zack Snyder Batman- but over the course of the film he realises that *just* being Vengeance is a dead end that only creates more pain, hence he grows further in to being a Conroy type Batman throughout the film. He's not quite there yet, but I think he might be closer in part 2

    • @Jonathan-A.C.
      @Jonathan-A.C. 18 днів тому +11

      It was similar to Arkham Origins in a lot of ways, which I loved

    • @FUDOYUSEI2814
      @FUDOYUSEI2814 10 днів тому +6

      I have to agree on that. I was watching the movie and I was "this is kind of cool but I think he leans to much into the Snyder's Batman side of things" and then the final hits and the moment he realizes he has to be the hope is the moment the whole movie clicked for me. That was a true Batman moment, no doubt

    • @NoahDaArk
      @NoahDaArk 3 дні тому +6

      @@FUDOYUSEI2814 The absence of Batterangs also helps. Throughout the majority of the film Batman is without his most iconic crime fighting tool, but by the end of the film he has it and uses it to save everyone. Even at the risk of his own life. The second he pops that Bat symbol off his chest and uses it to cut the light, he completed his transformation from an agent of vengeance… into the true Batman.

  • @TiaraStarbrighter
    @TiaraStarbrighter 20 днів тому +44

    Another great example of Batman's compassion for those from tragic backgrounds is the moments he spends with Ace in her final moments. If that doesn't make you sad, you aren't human.

  • @Crow_Rising
    @Crow_Rising 22 дні тому +21

    Batman is complete because he is a walking contradiction. He was born because of death. He is a vengeful child in an adult's body. He lives so that others don't have to die. He goes through hell so that others can be happy. Batman and Superman both represent hope, but while Superman is the absolute pinnacle role model, Batman represents the other side of the same coin; the human side. The flawed side. The complicated side. This is what makes him feel so real and relatable in a sea of characters that can do anything. Batman isn't about super powers or good triumphing over evil. Batman is about how there's darkness inside all of us, but that doesn't mean we can't still do the right thing or find redemption. Batman is about how when it really comes down to it, the hero and his villains aren't really so different. They're all just human beings struggling with life in their own way. There's always still hope for a better tomorrow.

  • @Gittykitty
    @Gittykitty 28 днів тому +158

    It's why I don't like most of the modern comics after the 90s. They make Batman too Psycho or brutal. He cares about people, and his family but has a hard time showing it because he's emotionally stalled, but not incapable.
    Speaking of Babydoll, I hated the second episode that paired her with Croc. It ruined her character. It would have been nice if the episode showed Batman checking up on her and mak sure she was okay, or her doing the same for him maybe even criticizing how much colder he's become.

    • @RobertV_YT
      @RobertV_YT  28 днів тому +38

      “Love is a croc” was definitely one of the weakest episodes. Babydoll is entirely different and she probably should have stayed as a one off character. She’s not interesting enough beyond her motivation in the original episode but your idea would have been cool to see

    • @BrandonScott-mi5pz
      @BrandonScott-mi5pz 27 днів тому +3

      GREAT VIDEO.

    • @seeleunit2000
      @seeleunit2000 27 днів тому +5

      ​@@RobertV_YTI disagree. I think she's interesting and could be more than a one-off, if in the hands of a talented writer.

    • @fuckthisstupidasshandleshit
      @fuckthisstupidasshandleshit 24 дні тому

      Objectively wrong. Batman has never been written to be unemotional by either of his writers.

    • @toondemaere3080
      @toondemaere3080 22 дні тому +5

      just like a witcher

  • @lukejams
    @lukejams 18 днів тому +19

    zack never understood that batman isn't an unhinged psychopath like the punisher, he's a hero who mostly spends time saving lives than just being a boogeyman to criminals.

  • @thewhitewolf58
    @thewhitewolf58 23 дні тому +43

    My problem is zack uses edge instead of dark. Edge just makes things depressing for the sake of pushing boundaries. Dark tends to understand and develop a world in a sad but realistic way. It's the difference between a teenager making batman a gun welding killer who pops pills while an adult has batman debate the league of shadows to why a crime ridden city is worth being saved even if it would be easier to destroy and reboot it. One seems fun on surface level and another takes introspection of character.

  • @jaycornu3351
    @jaycornu3351 18 днів тому +11

    the episode that stood out most for me is Harleys bad day (the clip you had) where instead of incarcerating her without a word he shows he understood the misunderstanding and only wants to help her, he gave her hope even after all the bad things she had done up to that point including on that day. something not many people would even attempt to understand. (plus i love that she thanked him with a big ol kiss too). it wasn't only a wholesome episode but also one that showed the struggles of someone coming out of prison, even when they try to do the right thing they can't help but watch their backs or worry about simple misunderstandings which ultimately end them up back in prison, so for batman to give her the encouragement and hope she surely needs is wonderful and shows how compassionate he really is.

  • @motor4X4kombat
    @motor4X4kombat 8 днів тому +4

    0:38 Zack snyder is the type of guy who could say unashamely "Homelander did nothing wrong..." and defend him saying that all the victims he killed or torture deserve it... even blind spot despite homelander and the audience barelly even knew him outside of beeing a wannabe daredevil.

  • @hyugalubbok7770
    @hyugalubbok7770 Місяць тому +77

    bruce will never be happy.. remind thst scene when Spawn's daughter call him 'The Sad Man'

    • @RobertV_YT
      @RobertV_YT  Місяць тому +15

      Spawn is another great series

    • @whothis5810
      @whothis5810 Місяць тому +4

      Ya, both series are great and both have a sad hero.

    • @deebo3182
      @deebo3182 24 дні тому +3

      That line has gotta be one of the most underrated lines in all of comic character history, they need to bring that show back asap

    • @frankensteinmonster1931
      @frankensteinmonster1931 24 дні тому +3

      Cyan isn’t Spawn’s daughter. She’s Wanda’s and Terry’s daughter.

    • @fuckthisstupidasshandleshit
      @fuckthisstupidasshandleshit 24 дні тому

      Fake Batman fan detected. He has been shown multiple times to be happy. Next you'll say that Bruce is a mask.

  • @absolutelyabsolute4671
    @absolutelyabsolute4671 11 днів тому +7

    People clown Pattinson's Batman for being a novice detective but his batman is someone that I can see comforting a child. I believe that was highlighted with how he empathize with the mayor's kid.

  • @ssfbob456
    @ssfbob456 18 днів тому +9

    Little girl: You're not too scary...you're not scary at all!
    Batman: _smiling_ No, I guess not.
    That's Batman.

  • @owlbeef_kr
    @owlbeef_kr 16 днів тому +5

    I hope we can one day get the “we can rehabilitate you, save you” and for joker to say the iconic line “no, it’s too late for that” only for him to crack a joke and Batman to finally laugh at one, ironically putting an end to their relationship as it shows that some people just can’t be helped and that no matter how hard he tries he is still human. For joker to give up his adventures and stay in a cell, but never be normal again. That, would be a good ending to the story of the joker

  • @jjmturbo
    @jjmturbo 18 днів тому +7

    Kevin Conroy was truly the best voice/ persona of Batman. R.I.P Conroy...

  • @UserFriendlyArtist
    @UserFriendlyArtist 25 днів тому +22

    Batman the kinda dude to go to a serial killers funeral and genuinely mourn them

  • @AzureRoxe
    @AzureRoxe 9 днів тому +3

    Justice League: Unlimited also shows a wonderful moment of Batman showing his softer side, when he walks alone to try to convince Ace to fix what she's done
    Ace read his mind and saw that not only does he understand her suffering, but that he never had any intention of using the weapon Amanda Waller gave him. After she tells him what happened to her [she was pretty much deprived of her childhood thanks to an early version of Cadmus doing experiments on her over and over], she mentions that she knows she's about to die anyway and, in tears, asks him to stay with her because she's scared, which he simply sits in the swing next to her and holds her hand till she passes away.
    THIS is who Batman is supposed to be, someone who can see that many of the villains are just people who have been delt a very horrible hand just like Bruce himself had and lashed out at the world.

  • @VotingChipmunk
    @VotingChipmunk 9 днів тому +3

    I think, me personally, it's Kevin Conroy's delivery of Batman/Bruce Wayne that truly sells the character. RIP to the Greatest Batman Voice Actor to ever grace us with his voice.

  • @LyricalOutlaw
    @LyricalOutlaw 20 днів тому +7

    Bruce asking for his parents to forgive him is my favorite scene in any movie ever.
    I did count on being happy.
    I cry every time
    Also good criticism on Zach’s take on Batman. To me Batman’s most important character aspect is how he values life. Batman has a deep understanding of the value of all life due to his tragic beginning

  • @MCP5030
    @MCP5030 Місяць тому +67

    Honestly the Zach Schneider quote reminds more of flashpoint Batman.

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 27 днів тому +27

      Fair point, he actually is alcaholic in that one for obvious reasons cause an elderly father loosing his family is different to a child loosing his parents.
      But I wouldn't trust Zack to write Batman, I think he's too obsessed with Batman's edgy side and not enough to his other qualities.

    • @Inferno144
      @Inferno144 26 днів тому +7

      @@kennethsatria6607 Both are equally painfully and traumatizing. But theres a deeper connection to a parent loosing their child. Your own blood, one you raised and one you want to see grow up into something amazing or just live a happy life. But in that timeline, Thomas didnt get that. He watched his son get gunned down infront of him and his wife turned insane.

  • @OtterloopB
    @OtterloopB 26 днів тому +16

    Thank you, sir. I think Batman is at his best not when it's intensely dark, but when the character's compassion and humanity is on display.
    The comic "Batman: Ego" did a great job of showcasing who Bruce really is. Beneath the loss and anger is a man who believes in the intrinsic value of human life. And he fights for that righteous truth, even when the torrent of fear and pain inside of him invites him to do the opposite.

  • @billmurray7473
    @billmurray7473 2 дні тому +1

    Dedicated to the memory of
    KEVIN CONROY.
    He captured Batman more than
    any actor who ever played the role.
    Rest In Power 🙏 Kevin.

  • @labadf
    @labadf 18 днів тому +3

    I was having lunch when you mentioned Baby Doll. I gulped and almost choked. If I needed to say which episode of TAS is the most impactful, not counting the other heart-wrenching episode from JLU featuring Bruce and Terry, it is this one. Those portrayals are the best Batman.
    I don't agree with you when you said Bruce has his choice cut off when his parents died. He had a lot of potential, open doors left and right, with good management he could have lived an hedonistic life as Bruce Wayne. Only... He chose the Batman door, to be more than just a rich boy living the life, and to use all his resources to help those in need and protect those who are weak.

  • @igydkygs00kwhi
    @igydkygs00kwhi 15 днів тому +3

    Justice, Not vengance. That is the true batman. End of discussion.

  • @TheMIGHTYTHOR1200
    @TheMIGHTYTHOR1200 18 днів тому +2

    This was the most perfect description of Batman I've ever heard

  • @NaughtyJuri
    @NaughtyJuri 19 днів тому +4

    Batman legacy ends with Batman beyond and I think it was the perfect ending for a lot of the characters

  • @gogira76
    @gogira76 6 днів тому +3

    Kevin Conroy/Bruce Timm's Batman will always - always - be my Batman. And Baby Doll is one of my favorite episodes. I even teared up watching this video. Subscribed.

  • @RafidW9
    @RafidW9 19 днів тому +3

    Zack just doesn't get it does he. Even Nolan basically taught him what Batman should be.

  • @knuxuki1013
    @knuxuki1013 26 днів тому +23

    I hate darker deconstruction of characters like Batman, it's showing misunderstanding and straight up dislike for the character

  • @Hogan231
    @Hogan231 23 дні тому +6

    He’s with Adam West.

  • @Raider0075
    @Raider0075 9 днів тому +1

    Babydoll and Ace. Two characters who show off how 'human' Batman can be. Sure he could've taken both down and easily. He didn't. He chose another way. He chose his humanity over vengeance. He chose to show them a better way and through that, makes other people change (or consider a change). When Bats walked up w/ Ace in his arms, you could see the depth of his sadness; he sat w/ her until her time came. Even someone as stoic as Amanda Waller was so moved that she decided the world needed a Batman. She gained massive respect for Bruce but also began the Batman Beyond project and the formation of Terry McGinnis.

  • @ironhell813
    @ironhell813 4 дні тому +1

    The Bat is the epitome of the saying “the hero we needed but didn’t know we needed”

  • @andmos1001
    @andmos1001 4 дні тому +2

    Joker are trying to get Batman to have a bad day, not realizing that Batman already had one

  • @skillcosby3095
    @skillcosby3095 4 дні тому +1

    anytime I see an iteration of batman who kills without a second thought I always think to myself "This isn't batman."

  • @kurthasedd7923
    @kurthasedd7923 18 днів тому +1

    This is a big part as to why I like Batman. He deals with the worst of the worst and through it all, no matter how bad it gets, he still doesn't kill. I don't think because it's just that then he will be lowered to the level of his enemies, but he's an arbitrator of justice and has a deep well of compassion. It's not just that he has to force himself not to kill, but that he doesn't want to and when he does he knows he will regret it.
    That was some of the best parts of the show, not when Batman's friends were rescued or when he saved the victim of the villain, but seeing the villains realize just how much goodness is in Batman. I can't think of a single recurring villain that didn't at one point or another show remorse or regret or respect to Batman and that's great

  • @baloneyzero9358
    @baloneyzero9358 16 днів тому +1

    I agree, Batman is his addiction. Nothing else matters to him and he doesn’t need anything to cope

  • @blu3g
    @blu3g 14 днів тому +1

    One detail I feel like other people never talk about is while every other super hero sends their bad guys straight to prison, Batman always sends them to Arkham Asylum, a place that's supposed to help them and offer them the chance to return to a normal life, and no matter how many times they refuse it, Batman continues to give them that choice to start over

  • @that1filmguy
    @that1filmguy Місяць тому +6

    This is a wonderful and great video! I can’t wait to see what else you make and what you talk about, keep making great videos!

  • @playererror4044
    @playererror4044 26 днів тому +11

    Props for doing a video on Batman and talking about examples beyond Ace's death, it's great but he has been kind more than once.

  • @arvizustudios6606
    @arvizustudios6606 Місяць тому +5

    Keep it up with the great content. This video is very well made

  • @arcata06
    @arcata06 23 дні тому

    I like this. After a tough day it’s nice to hear a power of a favorite character to be described as more than “I’m rich”. Your analysis came at a point where this was nice to hear, thanks.

  • @leche2mil
    @leche2mil Місяць тому +8

    great video man!

  • @user-bs1dk3tz8g
    @user-bs1dk3tz8g День тому

    "joker just chaos" best line i hear about joker u can be my friend

  • @JavierBonilla78
    @JavierBonilla78 17 днів тому

    Great video my friend. A great one indeed!

  • @Lycan_of_1941
    @Lycan_of_1941 5 днів тому +1

    Even though they are consumed in Darkness, light will follow to show the way.
    Showing Batman TAS Villains would still have their humanity. When The Villain is created, or the villain has no choice.

  • @sweetlitlbumblb
    @sweetlitlbumblb 24 дні тому +1

    You're going places man, awesome video.

  • @Goobergurl
    @Goobergurl 20 днів тому +1

    Batman is also my favorite fictional character, not just because of how interesting his is as a vigilante, but also because of the impact he's had on my life. Reading my first ever Batman comic changed the direction of my life forever! Now I'm a huge comic book nerd who has made so many friends because of Batman, and for the past couple of years I've been even writing my own original comic book stories! I'm an author now, and I only got here because of how much Batman inspired me, and the lessons his stories have taught me...I never gave up on myself, and it's because of The Dark Knight

  • @scolioreset
    @scolioreset День тому +1

    If a kid isn’t scared of Batman and can look at him in the eyes, if Batman prioritises saving a kid or spends the last minutes with one that is afflicted of some form of terminal disease… this is Batman!
    The only “Bat” I would see taking pills or alcohol is Kirk Langstrom.

  • @greisyn654
    @greisyn654 11 днів тому +1

    YOU ONLY GOT TWO VIDEOS?! This is some high quality work, i'd expected that you've been at it for a good few months!

  • @Goobergurl
    @Goobergurl 20 днів тому

    Glad I found your channel. You're super underrated! I'm glad I found someone who's just as big of a Batman fan as me!

  • @matthewwilliams5407
    @matthewwilliams5407 16 днів тому

    An actual curt and to the point video that understands Batman and isn't using comics or movies to distract from that. I really respect that, liked and subbed.

  • @expychristian
    @expychristian 17 днів тому

    Excellent video. Love the short and simple presentation.
    I do miss the straightforward but deep storytelling of the old animated series. It also made us see both sides of protagonist/antagonidt without having to drag it out in an overbearing fashion. Interwoven storytelling at its best.
    Keep it up, mate.

  • @skxlter5747
    @skxlter5747 5 днів тому +3

    Theres alot more to the joker than just chaos and orded dude

  • @ryancurrul7208
    @ryancurrul7208 2 дні тому

    The Batman 2022 has a great arc from pain to redemption. Without killing.

  • @mohamed_elmoayed
    @mohamed_elmoayed 15 днів тому +1

    Great video report and great voice coverage .. keep going

  • @Shiroya_Rumika
    @Shiroya_Rumika День тому +1

    If you noticed, other JL members when arrived will say *"What's going on"* or *"Stop that"*
    But Batman, when he arrived, he always say *"Let me help you"*

    • @myleswayne301
      @myleswayne301 18 годин тому

      So Batman is the only Justice League member who has compassion?

  • @molcur9658
    @molcur9658 17 днів тому

    What a well thought out video can't wait for your next upload

  • @maureencora1
    @maureencora1 24 дні тому +3

    Babydoll is a Sad Episode. A Grown Woman in a Little Kid Body.

  • @enzo4lee
    @enzo4lee 18 днів тому

    best video essay of batsy on youtube. keep posting stuffs like that please Master wayne.

  • @robinrabeos7130
    @robinrabeos7130 12 днів тому

    Great Video it reminded me of the Quote "if you can't picture you're batman comforting a small child then you've just written the punisher in a silly hat"

  • @Its419games
    @Its419games 3 дні тому +1

    Bruce wasn't taking pills to deal with his parents' deaths. He was taking them to deal with years of physical injuries. I just figured that would be obvious. After all, he may be The Batman, but he's still human.

  • @ShadowFlame500
    @ShadowFlame500 20 днів тому

    One of the few moments in media that actually made me cry as guy. I've seen and read a bunch of bad stories and circumstances, but this episode always has and will be a tough one. Even if it doesn't make me she tears it still stings.

  • @zeeboss7553
    @zeeboss7553 9 днів тому

    To me, this type of Batman is the true batman. Dark and brooding but also so compassionate and selfless at the same time.

  • @scottdostie3239
    @scottdostie3239 21 день тому

    This is the best explanation of Batman I’ve ever seen. I love it. Very well done.

  • @ramonponce870
    @ramonponce870 10 днів тому

    Great video. 100% agree with you.

  • @NatGeodeWild
    @NatGeodeWild Місяць тому +3

    Really good video, I hope you get more views

  • @JacksonAfroman
    @JacksonAfroman 10 днів тому

    Another banger fam, keep it up!

  • @NexusNoxCS
    @NexusNoxCS 15 днів тому +1

    Batman's greatest quality and his greatest weapon is one and the same -- his compassion. That's the essence of the character. The balance and juxtaposition of Batman using voilence to achieve his goals and said goals being born from absolute compassion is what makes Batman such a complex and interesting character. Take that compassion away and the complexity goes with it. Outsie of certain comic storylines, DC Animated Universe portrayed it the best. Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and especially Andrea Romano really understood that. Scenes with Baby Doll, with Ace, he has compassionate moments with all of the Rogues Gallery. That's Batman.

  • @Jay-Andreas-Cob
    @Jay-Andreas-Cob 20 днів тому

    Truly an inspirational character and video essay! It’s nice to know that there are other people out there still trying to make sense of themselves, the world and everything in it. Keep moving forward my friend and don’t listen to the whiney babies trying to drag you down. You did your best and I thought it was amazing cause it made me feel accepted and at peace so good luck and Godspeed my friend.✌️

  • @IxodesPersulcatus
    @IxodesPersulcatus 20 днів тому +1

    Pills... To me, "real" Batman would only welcome the pain. He rationalizes it as keeping himself sharp and aware, but in reality it reminds him of what he's fighting for, *why* he is fighting. So that no one else feels the anguish and despair he's felt, if he can help it, somehow, in some way.

  • @forrestsytsma5861
    @forrestsytsma5861 24 дні тому

    Absolutely beautiful work. So many people including fans are quick to put batman into the box of "Scary, dangerous, rich guy brute with a hint of CSI" When hes got such a range of character traits that arent apparent immediately. If you cant imagine your batman putting the fear of god into criminals and in the next scene comforting a child or reasoning with the supervillain, then hes not my batman. I cant wait to see what you do next, great video!

  • @kingmj87
    @kingmj87 19 днів тому +1

    Bruce’s villains are best understood as manifestations of his own dark sides (each being like the person Bruce would become if he let that side conquer him, or if he didn’t have incredible self-control). Mary Dahl’s a perfect example of that

  • @megapeebs2631
    @megapeebs2631 7 днів тому +1

    Another slept on Batman is 2004 Batman it just had this specific tone that had light and darker elements I'd even put it up there with The Animated Series its only ashame it runned for 3 seasons or so

  • @jabman025
    @jabman025 22 дні тому +1

    Baby-Doll is one of my favorites too, for similar reasons..........with the Joker, Two-Face ect, it feels like Batman's attempts to reform are desperate grasping at straws, trying to find something that isn't really there. With Babydoll you actually feel sorry for, you feel she could work herself out of this given the help she so desperately needs...........that and it was years before I realized her henchman were the Skipper and Gilligan

  • @faisalkamal4319
    @faisalkamal4319 4 дні тому +1

    Bruce always got me
    Enough make a grown man cry

  • @LinkyTea
    @LinkyTea 21 день тому

    this expertly explains why this batman is so special. this is the definitive batman imo. really good video

  • @EatSleepEmpire
    @EatSleepEmpire 22 дні тому +1

    I never thought about him like that, but it makes sense. He’s like still a hero, with a mission to help his city and its people, not just the smartest guy to defeat aliens and be a tough guy. Let Superman defeat aliens and cops do detective work if that’s all he is.

  • @henryshaw296
    @henryshaw296 20 днів тому

    You have already demonstrated that you know the character better than most people, and that goes double for those currently writing the character aside from Matt Reeves all from your title alone. Thank you sir.

  • @Vamilator7165
    @Vamilator7165 11 днів тому

    The emergence of videos like this fills me with such joy. Maybe, just maybe, we can return to a world were being a hero is just that: being a hero