Analyzing Evil: The Riddler And The People Who Made Him

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    Welcome everyone and welcome to the seventy-third episode of Analyzing Evil! In this video we'll be discussing all the evil present in the film The Batman. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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  • @TheVileEye
    @TheVileEye  2 роки тому +282

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    • @jacobglaser7773
      @jacobglaser7773 2 роки тому +8

      Analyzing Evil: Mr. Blonde from Reservoir Dogs

    • @JacobsTrouble
      @JacobsTrouble 2 роки тому +3

      Next, please do Negan from the walking dead.

    • @mateusgomes7116
      @mateusgomes7116 2 роки тому +4

      Suggestion: Analyzing Evil of Eric Cartman from South Park

    • @meep_murp8758
      @meep_murp8758 2 роки тому +4

      Analyzing Evil: Light Yagami

    • @firesocius9309
      @firesocius9309 2 роки тому

      But Vile you made a typo. It should say "Analysising Evil: The Riddler And The People Who Nade Him *From The Batman.*"

  • @dominicwalker1899
    @dominicwalker1899 2 роки тому +4457

    The way Riddler cries "No, No, No!" and sings during his interrogation, is actually fairly accurate to real police interviews with mentally unstable killers. Once they feel like they've lost control, they resort to noise and confusion.

    • @Mrneonsean
      @Mrneonsean 2 роки тому +45

      Yes 😀

    • @airplanes_aren.t_real
      @airplanes_aren.t_real 2 роки тому +40

      Do you have any sources? This sounds like an interesting I'd like to learn more about

    • @cinnabynny1531
      @cinnabynny1531 2 роки тому +292

      @@airplanes_aren.t_real the channels “Explore With Us” and “JCS - Criminal Psychology” both have amazing videos detailing what killers and other criminals are doing during police interrogations, especially with mentally unstable murderers.

    • @dominicwalker1899
      @dominicwalker1899 2 роки тому +118

      @@airplanes_aren.t_real watch "JCS" or "JCS inspired", "Matt Orchard Crime and Society". There are heaps of edited and unedited footage of police interrogation; just make sure to balance your watch time with something else not crime related.

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  • @carsonlombardi7361
    @carsonlombardi7361 2 роки тому +3671

    (SPOILERS) one thing i loved about this movie is that the riddler pretty much won, he killed a majority of the people he wanted to (minus bruce and rael), the sea wall came down, the people of gotham know about its corruption and he was locked in arkham asylum and we all know how good that place is at holding prisoners. it’s nice to see a competent villain and it makes sense considering this is year 2 batman who would probably be used to fighting muggers and not elaborate super villains

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 роки тому +499

      A lot of Batman media tends to portray Riddler as a somewhat above average bafoon who Batman can easily outmaneuver. But this movie takes the Ridder in a very different direction. What if Batman actually is outpaced by the Riddler's intelligence and plays into his hand? That's where we get the Batman.

    • @BJ52091
      @BJ52091 2 роки тому +167

      Agreed. Intelligence and competence may as well be superpowers these days.

    • @cakebear9534
      @cakebear9534 2 роки тому +30

      What? Riddler cried like a baby at the end, it probably means that his plan failed.

    • @johndevitt5619
      @johndevitt5619 2 роки тому +329

      @@cakebear9534 Because he thought Batman was his ally and he needed Batman on his side for his plans. Sure, the sea wall came down, but Batman saved many of the people in the chaos, including the new Mayor, and Batman will work to clean up the Riddler's mess.

    • @lasarousi
      @lasarousi 2 роки тому +151

      That's villain smokescreen, the result of everything the Riddler did was make Batman look good and get the civilians to take a side and conglomerate.
      And the biggest mistake is failing to convert Batman, making sure Bruce is corrupted.
      Instead the Riddler just reinforced and validated Batman's position, definition of irony.

  • @whichDude
    @whichDude 2 роки тому +3911

    I just love that they actually gave Falcone legitimate screen time and character. All the non super villain criminals just seem like nuisances in movies and shows. He legit held real power here, and could speak man to man with both Bruce and Batman all while maintaining a calm but menacing presence.
    Nobody f*cks with the Jesus

    • @lapislazuli5035
      @lapislazuli5035 2 роки тому +251

      He had a decent amount of screentime in Batman Begins too. The scene with Bruce in that restaurant where he tells him how much he doesn't understand about criminals was chillingly good.

    • @IccyTheOne
      @IccyTheOne 2 роки тому +132

      @@lapislazuli5035 That's arguably the most important scene in the entire Nolan trilogy.

    • @whichDude
      @whichDude 2 роки тому +202

      @@lapislazuli5035 Unfortunately that was about all his good screen time. He doesn't get to do anything else except get freaked out by Scarecrow after that. The super villains took over.
      I like this Falcone not just for the character, but also because he seemed to have legitimate power. Nobody could get to him in his fortress, and he ran the city how he wanted it.

    • @1dorz
      @1dorz 2 роки тому +108

      John Turturro really impressed me. His Falcone was way more intimidating than the Batman Begins version

    • @AzraelSoulHunter
      @AzraelSoulHunter 2 роки тому +52

      @@whichDude Not only that, but he may have also been part of Court of Owls. Given how DA reacted to ratting him out I think it's not that huge of a stretch to think that he was a part of it.

  • @LycanVisuals
    @LycanVisuals 2 роки тому +3687

    Some folks don't like it I understand, but I loved that they made riddler a serial killer and mimic the Zodiac from San Francisco. What an awesome outfit. The looming antagonistic threat through a serial killer is something I love when done right in movies and is a thing I wish to be good at when it comes to my writing. I really hope scarecrow appears in this universe.

    • @MartyMar908
      @MartyMar908 2 роки тому +24

      keep going, you can 👍🏾👍🏾

    • @LumpyAdams
      @LumpyAdams 2 роки тому +14

      "mimic" more like rip off completely but act like Joker lol

    • @luclin92
      @luclin92 2 роки тому +169

      @@LumpyAdams nah not chaotic enough for the joker. I feel that by the end he fully turned into the riddler. Like he wanted to get caught and show off his work to the world

    • @LumpyAdams
      @LumpyAdams 2 роки тому +15

      @@luclin92 Laughs relentless, tortures people, wants anarchy. Close enough to Joker. Shit movie, but Rob is the best Batman since Keaton. I'll give it that.

    • @RealOli
      @RealOli 2 роки тому +141

      @@LumpyAdams I only remember him laughing relentlessly once, and that's when he's laughing along with the joker

  • @ajtaylor8750
    @ajtaylor8750 2 роки тому +1457

    What makes this Riddler truly evil is the interrogation scene with Batman where Riddler basically tells him that he gave him the motivation to extract vengeance on those whom he felt deserved it, and that it's justified based on how Batman is going about fixing Gotham. He's a tragic character for sure, but more so a psychopath who uses brutal violence and sadistic acts to make people pay who he feels wronged him as an orphan kid. What a COLD villain.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 2 роки тому +145

      He actually thought him and Batman were friends on the same side. He was shook when he didn’t like him.

    • @magallanesagustin4952
      @magallanesagustin4952 2 роки тому +77

      I would have rooted for him if he only killed the corrupt authorities and Falcone instead of killing so many innocent people with the flood. That plus the fact that the ways he killed Colson and the corrupt cop were way too cruel. They weren't good people but it was too much.

    • @KennethKaniff999
      @KennethKaniff999 2 роки тому +6

      Exact* vengeance

    • @joseluis5055
      @joseluis5055 2 роки тому +28

      He stopped being tragic when he flood the city

    • @mikepryor7467
      @mikepryor7467 2 роки тому +3

      he is a cool dude

  • @etherealdreamerart
    @etherealdreamerart 2 роки тому +3607

    This Riddler was the most demented, vile Riddler ever. This Batman film was excellent. Definitely buying on bluray.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 2 роки тому +242

      The Riddler has always been a C list comical villain but this one made him look extremely scary and formidable I mean he won in a way and only got caught because he wanted too.

    • @magallanesagustin4952
      @magallanesagustin4952 2 роки тому +13

      I couldn't agree more.

    • @derdude6214
      @derdude6214 2 роки тому +81

      I'm assuming everyone in this comments watched the film already but to be clear: My comment contains spoilers.
      I did not like the end plot. The movie was fantastic until the last Riddle. It should have been something that effects Batman personally and not just generic bombs. Something that is specifically aimed at Batman would have had a much bigger impact on a personal level. The ending like this was okay.
      Also the Film could have been a bit more effective if it was rated R but that would've only been the cherry on top.
      Have a great day whoever is reading this.

    • @chriswilson3126
      @chriswilson3126 2 роки тому +7

      This movie has made me finally make the upgrade to 4K in prep for its release

    • @Brometheus.
      @Brometheus. 2 роки тому +3

      4K all the way

  • @JustTooDamnHonest
    @JustTooDamnHonest 2 роки тому +483

    The biggest character of this film for me was Gotham itself. It is only a city and yet it felt like it was alive and very sick with the corruption ozzing out of its very foundations and the people in that city were the cells that were slowly being corrupted by that society and Batman is one of a few people who are trying to save Gotham from the sickness that is corruption, violence and chaos.

    • @elfsieben1450
      @elfsieben1450 2 роки тому +17

      This was also the case in "Joker". I love it just as much as "The Batman".

    • @JustTooDamnHonest
      @JustTooDamnHonest 2 роки тому +12

      @@elfsieben1450 Matt Reeves knows how to set the mood as well as the atmosphere within the film and that includes the city set pieces.

    • @elfsieben1450
      @elfsieben1450 2 роки тому +9

      @@JustTooDamnHonest Yeah, the entire film is amazing. Maybe the Joker scene could have been left out, maybe the film could have been 20 to 40 minutes longer to dive even deeper into characters such as Alfred, Catwoman, Falcone, Gordon. But it's great as it is.

    • @JustTooDamnHonest
      @JustTooDamnHonest 2 роки тому +11

      @@elfsieben1450 Yeah keeping the Joker scene out was the better choice. Because it would've overshadowed The Riddler. Do not get me wrong The Riddler is an interesting villain. But when you have Batman's arch-nemesis in anything then there is no winning because whenever Batman and Joker come to blows it is the ultimate between Order and Chaos and from what I saw Barry's Joker is the pure definition of madness.
      Matt Reeves was smart to keep that scene out because The Riddler was the main focus and Matt gave him that chance in this film. But now that we have seen Barry's Joker we want to see what type of insanity will Barry's Joker inflect on a fledgling Dark Knight.

    • @edge1247
      @edge1247 2 роки тому +1

      Honestly it felt like they took the Long Halloween from the Comics and put it in Live Action. A true decent Into madness Batman really didn't stop Riddler he just played Damage control.
      The Long Halloween was like that Batmans realization that the City is deteriorating and Batman can't really stop it only contain it The villains are evolving to him becoming more menacing as the Years go on. I hope they can keep that feeling of Dread.

  • @michaelkaduck1915
    @michaelkaduck1915 2 роки тому +600

    "Terror made me cruel."-Emily Bronte
    The Riddler was such a good mixture between sympathetic while still being plenty evil.

    • @joseluis5055
      @joseluis5055 2 роки тому +10

      Having a sad backstory doesn't make the villain sympathetic

    • @ellis7622
      @ellis7622 2 роки тому +50

      @@joseluis5055 disagree. that’s definitely one of the main things writers use to make antagonists sympathetic to the audience. it helps us understand why they turned out they way they did and lets us know they’re not just intrinsically evil.

    • @joseluis5055
      @joseluis5055 2 роки тому +16

      @@ellis7622 there's a difference between empathy and sympathy. You may feel empathy by a villain's backstory, but if their actions are too extreme that it outweighs their tragedy then they aren't sympathetic. If a character has a sad backstory and has relatable motivations then they are sympathetic.

    • @andynowicki4532
      @andynowicki4532 2 роки тому +5

      Team Riddler!

    • @user-gm4kv2my4u
      @user-gm4kv2my4u 2 роки тому +10

      @@joseluis5055 Oh my God. Having sympathy is easier than empathy. Most people don't even understand empathy (and you're looking like one of them). You can have sympathy for someone and still entirely condemn their horrible actions. Moreover the Riddler exposing a massive corruption wing and ensuring the major benefactors are punished could be seen as noble in intent even if the way he goes about it is wrong. That also makes him sympathetic.

  • @billfox847
    @billfox847 2 роки тому +111

    I love how riddler showed Batman that vengeance is not what Gotham needs. When Batman was confronting the riddler in his jail cell through a glass window i interpreted it as Batman looking into a mirror and seeing his own inner demons.

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 2 роки тому +1101

    I'm genuinely surprised that someone managed to make a depiction of the fuckin' RIDDLER of all characters simultaneously both a legitimately good villain and a villain you can take seriously.

    • @CHFafard
      @CHFafard 2 роки тому +69

      Definitely didn't hurt that rather than allowing the cops and Batman to catch him, solving his riddles only furthered his plans

    • @andyroobrick-a-brack9355
      @andyroobrick-a-brack9355 2 роки тому +105

      The Riddler is far less of a joke than most people give hi credit for. He's supposed to be, most of the time, a character who gives Batman a genuine intellectual challenge, not a Joker knockoff.

    • @dbxniker7484
      @dbxniker7484 2 роки тому +49

      i loved how they made him a cringy incel type it felt like a mix between jim carrey’s riddler and the zodiac killer

    • @CHFafard
      @CHFafard 2 роки тому +8

      @@dbxniker7484
      Yeah that was a really neat touch

    • @cbt7203
      @cbt7203 2 роки тому +4

      (Spoiler) to bad they ruined the joker at the end

  • @HunterShark300
    @HunterShark300 2 роки тому +772

    I really love how Matt Reeves reinvented the character and made him serious and terrifying. Imagine what he would do with villains such as Joker, Scarecrow or Mr. Freeze.

    • @aqeelraja4750
      @aqeelraja4750 2 роки тому +125

      professor pyg in this universe would be creepy af

    • @Xehanort10
      @Xehanort10 2 роки тому +59

      @@aqeelraja4750 And Pyg's already freaky as it is.

    • @HunterShark300
      @HunterShark300 2 роки тому +72

      @@aqeelraja4750 oh yeah, definitely. Mad Hatter and Victor Zsasz too.

    • @RenegadeShepard69
      @RenegadeShepard69 2 роки тому +69

      Honestly, Mr Freeze is impossible in my eyes. I'd be really impressed if some filmmaker ever works him into a gritty "real world"-like character.
      One I'd love to see in Reeves' style is Poison Ivy, I can see a grounded take on her nowadays.
      It's been implied that he'll work with Hush and Calendar Man but I think that'd be just a reinventing the wheel, how much more different from this film could the sequel get with villains like them? He should pick more underutilized ones (in film media) and that challenge Rob's Batman in fresh ways IMO.

    • @ALIEN-DUDE
      @ALIEN-DUDE 2 роки тому +23

      I'd love to see matt's interpretation of black mask

  • @broston_
    @broston_ 2 роки тому +1256

    Just a couple things: it's not clear if the Waynes were murdered by Falcone, and Riddler also intended to kill Bruce which you didn't mention. But still great video as always

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 2 роки тому +136

      Given Falcone owed his life to the Waynes, I kind of think Falcone perspective that murders were done by his rivals is his legitimate perspective. Because if Falcone kills the people who saves his life, who the hell would bail him out in his time of need?

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 2 роки тому +148

      Yeah I don’t think Falcons killed the Wayne’s. At the funeral that one random guy Bruce Wayne ran into that told him he looked familiar made me think it was Joe Chill the real killer.

    • @brucewayne5796
      @brucewayne5796 2 роки тому +51

      @@mysteryjunkie9808 that would be cool, i saw someone say that he was one of riddlers followers at the end but im not sure if thats a fact

    • @Jose-se9pu
      @Jose-se9pu 2 роки тому +108

      It was just Alfred lying to himself to make himself feel better about Thomas...he himself says "maybe it was just some random thug who wanted money and got scared".
      With Falcone dead, we'll never know, and I think that was part of the point, Bruce is Batman to save the city, not because he has to honor his father, who was part of the problem, just like he was by creating Riddler.

    • @Gaaarry
      @Gaaarry 2 роки тому +39

      What a civil thread with a lot of good perspectives.
      Refreshing.

  • @speedisoftheessence
    @speedisoftheessence 2 роки тому +448

    Correction: The journalist Thomas Wayne inadvertently had Falcone murder was not Thomas Elliot (Hush) but Edward Elliot who is likely Thomas Elliot's father.
    We will likely see Hush as a villain wanting revenge on Bruce because Bruce's father got his father killed.

    • @sarveshbane1718
      @sarveshbane1718 2 роки тому +32

      I'm hoping they do something with the character never done before , like they did riddler

    • @nathanielleack4842
      @nathanielleack4842 2 роки тому +23

      God id love to see Hush on the big screen. Im loving this more Tim Burton esque root batman style we are returning too with this movie its dripping with atmosphere

    • @babytextor
      @babytextor 2 роки тому +12

      The Riddler IS Hush. They merged the two together. They left his name ambiguous for a reason, and yeah they said his name is Ed but they didn't say Ed Nygma and they left his identity open. He talks about being alone in the orphanage while Bruce got all the attention. He wants revenge because Edward Elliot was killed. The Riddler is Thomas Elliot

    • @Drums_of_Liberation
      @Drums_of_Liberation 2 роки тому +25

      @@babytextor You do know Nygma was never Riddler's actual last name right? His legal name is Edward Nashton. The only thing this interpretation of the Riddler has in common with Hush is the mask.

    • @babytextor
      @babytextor 2 роки тому +1

      @@Drums_of_Liberation well, no, I clearly didn't know that, but regardless is it not likely that the studio wants to merge these two characters into one, especially given the recent animated movie's success with Riddler and Hush sort of merging in that film? Get more villains in that way without ruining Hush's storyline if they keep Riddler (as Hush) in it to learn that Batman is Bruce Wayne. The MCU does stuff like this all the time so I'm still confident that this Riddler is also going to function as this franchise's Hush.

  • @CaioH.
    @CaioH. 2 роки тому +113

    *The point of view we got from Paul Dano's Riddler is that he thinks he's a Gotham vigilante (just like Batman). But both have different methods and rules. The fact of killing corrupt is acceptable, but going beyond the limits injuring and risking the lives of innocent people, he became a worse monster.*

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 роки тому +17

      This Riddler is what Arkham Origins touched upon, but didn't fully realize. Riddler is smart enough to read between the lines and drudge up dirt on anyone. In Arkham, it amounts to some trophies and lines of dialogue. In the Batman, it brings Gotham to the brink.

  • @laneminor6240
    @laneminor6240 2 роки тому +293

    I love Riddler as more of a nuisance than a murderous mastermind, but he works so, so well in this film. The contrast between his vigilantism and Batman's, the barrage of riddles that I personally tried to solve as the movie ticked through, the clever word play, all the clues... it was perfectly executed and a beautiful mystery.

    • @worsethanhitlerpt.2539
      @worsethanhitlerpt.2539 2 роки тому +3

      Does anyone else think the Riddler is fuckin FUNNY??? Hes so over the top CREEPY, he talks with that voice-distortion thing its like theyre making
      fun of the Unabomber or something.

    • @allegedlee6930
      @allegedlee6930 Рік тому

      @@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 nobody worse than hitler could incite such a following. Stalin-esque?

    • @allegedlee6930
      @allegedlee6930 Рік тому +1

      @@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 yeah, the whole tortured soul of a genius thing.

  • @itsgeegra
    @itsgeegra 2 роки тому +80

    Dano was truly great in this, the first time in ages I've felt like someone appeared genuinely unwell, unpredictable and motivated by internal forces he can't control, not like an actor *acting* crazy.

  • @isr2879
    @isr2879 2 роки тому +317

    I actually felt bad for the riddler when I heard his backstory. I'm not justifying his killing of innocents but it's not hard to understand what got him to the point of anger and insanity.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 2 роки тому +15

      Yeah the first 90% of the movie the Riddler motives were “I will expose the corruption of politicians, police and mafia members and punish them for their sins”
      Then the last 10% was “I will drown and kill every man, woman, and child in Gotham now!”

    • @conor3361
      @conor3361 2 роки тому +45

      @@mysteryjunkie9808 exactly why did they have to ruin him with that drowning Gotham bullshit, his sadism contrasting with his essentially righteous motives made him interesting

    • @Sandra-hc4vo
      @Sandra-hc4vo 2 роки тому +10

      @@conor3361 yeah idk, after hearing his backstory his anger made sense and that his actions as a whole would bring the injustice to light. than he did that to make him completely plain evil and unrelatable again. at least i wish they could have at least explained why he would want to do this. i guess the only thing was he knew he was going to get caught and wanted to do something big after that. but yeah. also batman needs clear villains i think often. and without riddler being this, he would not have had the realization of what his effects are.

    • @joseluis5055
      @joseluis5055 2 роки тому +36

      @@conor3361 because having a sad backstory doesn't mean a villain has well intentioned goals. There's a difference between sympathetic backstory and sympathetic motivations. Villains like Killmonger, Riddler and Lex Luthor have sad backstories but they have cruel motivations

    • @michaeldorsey9231
      @michaeldorsey9231 2 роки тому +61

      “ than he did that to make him completely plain evil and unrelatable again. at least i wish they could have at least explained why he would want to do this.”
      I’ve only seen the film twice so far, so in going off memory I might be relying on inference, but as far as I can recall Riddler thought that even with it’s top players taken out Gotham would still be inclined towards corruption, and though Belle came across as well intentioned she was just another Thomas Wayne to Riddler, someone making false promises.
      The flood served a twofold purpose for Riddler; it caused enough chaos that would ideally distract law enforcement, enabling his followers to assassinate Belle more easily, and it would ensure that all of Gotham would experience the same despair Riddler experienced in his childhood.

  • @elijahbaker781
    @elijahbaker781 2 роки тому +457

    The actor who plays the riddler in the film is actually making a comic about the riddlers origin so you should make an updated video on the riddler with more information from the comic.

    • @harveycryst222
      @harveycryst222 2 роки тому +82

      Paul Dano. He's great!

    • @CrimsonCamisaso
      @CrimsonCamisaso 2 роки тому +79

      Paul Dano. He's an amazing actor checkout There Will be Blood, Little Miss Sunshine and 12 Years a Slave dude kills it and has good range, he's also good at getting smacked around by the main protagonist.

    • @stam7250
      @stam7250 2 роки тому +18

      @@CrimsonCamisaso damn Prisoners really captures one of those things you mentioned lol

    • @LordofMovies91
      @LordofMovies91 2 роки тому +5

      @@CrimsonCamisaso he's also in The Girl Next Door

    • @larry2281
      @larry2281 2 роки тому +21

      Anything Paul Dano is in is phenomenal.

  • @magallanesagustin4952
    @magallanesagustin4952 2 роки тому +159

    I love that they stayed true to the Riddler's esence from the comics (him being a narcisst who wants attention and makes tantrums when things don't go his way, as well as being a bit goofy and over the top) while also giving him their own spin on the character, making him a serial killer and reimagining his outfit. I never thought I'd find a version of the Riddler this terrifying.

    • @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384
      @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 2 роки тому +6

      “Hmmmmm the green spandex looks stupid… I KNOW lets put him in a gimp suit!”

    • @remc0s
      @remc0s 3 місяці тому

      @@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 It is not a "gimp suit."
      He wears army gear.

  • @General_D1
    @General_D1 2 роки тому +593

    This was such a great film, the riddler and the messages of this film were really good and this shows the best of Batman being a detective. Would love to see more of Bruce’s development in the sequels

    • @johngaughan354
      @johngaughan354 2 роки тому +2

      Batman as a detective yes but a smarter one cause batman had someone else solve to of the riddles with out them going out of their way to help

    • @LumpyAdams
      @LumpyAdams 2 роки тому +9

      "The messages." Gotham was corrupt. Wow, very in depth message it had lol. Such overrated garbage

    • @luclin92
      @luclin92 2 роки тому +12

      @@johngaughan354 still he actually did detective work, and while he was busy with something else Alfred helped him with a task which would take time anyway. And this was a young version of batman where he did only have the role for two year

    • @walterwang4669
      @walterwang4669 2 роки тому +12

      @@LumpyAdams yeah I agree, there wasn’t a message of any true significance or insight.
      However, the film was really good overall. Plot could been less convoluted, some less than stellar dialogue choices, but the cinematography and style is excellent.
      The acting, bar maybe the commissioner Gordon actor, was really good in general.

    • @LumpyAdams
      @LumpyAdams 2 роки тому +3

      @@walterwang4669 I don't think there's any denying that the film looked good. It looked amazing, and I think Rob is the best Batman since Keaton. Gordon was good and the Batmobile was sick. I just hated everything else about the movie and would never consider it "very good."

  • @ZucchiniCzar
    @ZucchiniCzar 2 роки тому +492

    This movie has arguably the best rendition of Penguin to date.

    • @lewistyler462
      @lewistyler462 2 роки тому +147

      I loved it when Bats and Gordon are interrogating him and he's being wise and when they leave, his hands and ankles are still taped up, so he starts waddling like a penguin.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +29

      @@lewistyler462 and I thought I'm the only one who thinks that this is a reference to his alias 'the Penguin'.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +31

      @bumble if Oz and the Iceberg Lounge wouldn't have been mentioned in the movie by name, there would've been nothing that implicate that they are who they are.

    • @lewistyler462
      @lewistyler462 2 роки тому +14

      @@dermilchmann3655 Good catch. Somehow that didn't even occur to me.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +1

      @@lewistyler462 Thank you

  • @jeremymenning56
    @jeremymenning56 2 роки тому +219

    When talking about vigilantism in cinema we often romanticize the good that one might do. And deplore that of an evil doer antagonist. Forgetting that both feel, in their own mind, justified by their actions.
    To be a vigilante means to exist in the gray area between right and wrong. And both the vigilante and the villain often occupy this space.
    Juxtapose Bruce Wayne's Batman against Edward Blake's Comedian and tell me which was worse. Now the Comedian against Arthur Fleck's Joker. And on and on it goes.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 2 роки тому +27

      At least I get the impression the Jeffrey Dean Morgan
      's Comedian would have been better equipped to deal with Health Ledger's Joker that "I have my one rule" Batman.

    • @surfboardjoker6299
      @surfboardjoker6299 2 роки тому +9

      This guy fuckin gets it.

    • @Undone545
      @Undone545 2 роки тому +7

      I mean if we put the flooding of Gotham aside. Riddlers plan was eerily similar to Harvey dent Gordon and Batman's plan for Gotham in TDK. Essentially aim the batman and at least one honest cop in the direction of criminals who were untouchable and force their crimes into the light usher meaningful change . Even the fact that this new politician is forced to bring legislative change because the corruption and devastation was unassailable is similar to how the jokers shenanigans ushered in the largely successful dent act.

    • @remc0s
      @remc0s 3 місяці тому

      The Comedian understood that he was just playing a hero, and that no amount of people in masks and capes will ever be able to "make the world a better place."
      He knew that heroism is just a show, but that as long as he kept killing the "bad guys", he would always be the "good guy" in the eyes of the public.

  • @goreman7160
    @goreman7160 2 роки тому +596

    This riddler felt even more dangerous then any joker we've seen. Its interesting to see someone like this character who (is also possibly on the spectrum) feels this scary in a batman movie. I look forward to joker in future batman films

    • @sirmcsir2080
      @sirmcsir2080 2 роки тому +10

      I hope someday joaquins joker will meet this batman.

    • @goreman7160
      @goreman7160 2 роки тому +69

      @@sirmcsir2080 idk.. this joker we saw looks nithing like and sounds nothing like this new joker. Also battinson would swat joaquin aside like a fly

    • @sirmcsir2080
      @sirmcsir2080 2 роки тому +7

      @@goreman7160 I know but maybe a multiverse thing. And we haven't seen Joaquins joker fully developed as the joker yet. Hoping to see joker 2 and 3.

    • @goreman7160
      @goreman7160 2 роки тому +5

      @@sirmcsir2080 we'll have to see. I think kd rather it be left as its own movie

    • @sirmcsir2080
      @sirmcsir2080 2 роки тому

      @@goreman7160 sure but I'd love sequels.

  • @wildabars5354
    @wildabars5354 Рік тому +21

    The saddest thing about the riddler was that he was actually able to escape his circumstances. Coming from an underfunded orphanage and becoming a forensic accountant is a pretty impressive feat, and could have used it to live well and even do some good. Unfortunately, his trauma was too much to bear and he let it win, corrupting him to become a force of evil instead of a force of good

  • @alezarde211
    @alezarde211 2 роки тому +98

    I’m honestly just glad to see an great depiction of the Riddler. Since I think there’s so much potential for him as a villain, his obsessiveness, narcissism, genius intelligence without powers, but he seems to be overlooked quite a bit.

    • @LanceVanceDance84
      @LanceVanceDance84 2 роки тому +4

      Part of the reason he'd been overlooked for so long when it comes to his appearances in the films was the very goofy and over-the-top portrayal of the character in Batman Forever. It did a lot of damage to the character's credibility in the eyes of many of the studio heads and filmmakers who would get the keys to the franchise; they were all too scared to touch him and/or had the impression that he was too similar to the Joker. Thankfully Matt Reeves was able to see all of the untapped potential that the Riddler would have in a film like this one.

  • @Jose-se9pu
    @Jose-se9pu 2 роки тому +398

    This iteration of The Riddler is so terrefying because it feels so real...he is a guy who spents too much time on 4chan, but smart and crazy enough to actually do the things he claims "have to be done" in those forums.

    • @sorgothsorgoth3575
      @sorgothsorgoth3575 2 роки тому +37

      Oh my God are you serious? The evil 4channers?

    • @MarkTheCat
      @MarkTheCat 2 роки тому +27

      @@sorgothsorgoth3575 well you probably wouldn’t call him a redditor

    • @onimusic6525
      @onimusic6525 2 роки тому +69

      @@sorgothsorgoth3575 I think calling The Riddler a 4channer it's accurate

    • @blackosprey2219
      @blackosprey2219 2 роки тому +24

      It's absolutely buck wild, because right before I saw this movie, I had a midterm for a Criminal Law class that used a hypothetical of a downtrodden, angry man exacting revenge on a politician by firebombing her office after ranting online about how there needed to be blood in the streets for there to be real change.
      To say the least, watching The Batman right after that was a surreal experience.

    • @matildatheoboldt2261
      @matildatheoboldt2261 2 роки тому +54

      The difference between the riddler and the 4chan incels is the riddler has legitimate grievances and has legitimate reasons to be pissed off

  • @playman350
    @playman350 2 роки тому +269

    To be pedantic, we actually don't know if Falcone had Tommy Wayne killed, which is what Alfred believes, or whether it was Maroni as Falcone claimed. I actually found that ambiguity to be a great element, keeping the mystery around the Waynes' deaths a mystery.

    • @XRelays
      @XRelays 2 роки тому +34

      If what Falcone said is true about Thomas saving his life, then he probably didn’t kill him.

    • @tobysmith2081
      @tobysmith2081 2 роки тому +4

      Imagine if Alfred killed him in this timeline lmao

    • @dooplon5083
      @dooplon5083 2 роки тому +33

      @@tobysmith2081 he accidentally bumped into Thomas on the stairs and he fell down and died, landing on Martha and the weight of his body snapping her neck. Alfred dumped the bodies and blamed falcone ever since just to save his ass, but riddler was playing 5d chess and meant the bomb for alfred this whole time, he simply never told anyone because Alfred surviving was more embarrassing than getting the wrong guy. _Boom,_ I solved the mystery, you can send my awards in the mail now.

    • @aguadoll8162
      @aguadoll8162 2 роки тому +3

      @@dooplon5083 holy shit you figured it out 🏆🏆🏆🏆 *intense clapping*

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 2 роки тому +9

      In a proper Batman story, there are a few mysteries Bruce should never solve: what is the Joker's real name and background, and of course who really killed his parents.

  • @shaolinthe5th
    @shaolinthe5th 2 роки тому +172

    I always thought Thomas Wayne's death was not by Falcone's hands as Alfred had said that he tried to find the murderer for years and guessed it was either a hit or it just was a random person who killed him, leaving the answer ambiguous. I believe this movie is still sticking to the origins where Batman's parents were killed by a random thug, not by one of Falcone's men.

    • @destroyazoid2060
      @destroyazoid2060 2 роки тому +43

      I prefer the random thug than anything else. It goes to show that someone of great power like the Waynes were brought down by someone with nothing, who did it out of desperation. Because it’s One of the things that makes thugs do what they do.

    • @joshuabonife7573
      @joshuabonife7573 2 роки тому +2

      @@destroyazoid2060
      You mean Waynes right? Because Wayans are two brothers known for their particular kind of comedy. XD

    • @johnlawful2272
      @johnlawful2272 2 роки тому +1

      @@joshuabonife7573 1 of them was considered to be Michael Keatons Robin

    • @destroyazoid2060
      @destroyazoid2060 2 роки тому +1

      @@joshuabonife7573 well piss I messed it up. Fucking speech to text…

    • @reidbergstrom3541
      @reidbergstrom3541 2 роки тому +10

      @@destroyazoid2060 But that is not what this movie is about.
      this movie is about how when a good man with power makes a mistake, the ramifications are widespread. Thomas' decision to intimidate the journalist, led to his death, and therefore the corruption of the renewal fund.
      You can still have the theme of the desperation, since it is certainly not Falcone or anyone important killing the Waynes. It is likely a low level thug. Just not a random thug.

  • @lonewalkerproductions
    @lonewalkerproductions 2 роки тому +32

    The Batman restored my faith in blockbusters. Going through the film in my first sitting and coming to the realisation that Matt was maintaining a slower pace and weaving together such a clever plot was a delight. They could have easily done anything else but instead decided to make bold choices. What a film!

  • @victorcippitelli2242
    @victorcippitelli2242 2 роки тому +140

    What I liked about this movie is that the level of corruption and decadence is absolutly more extreme and total than other versions, totally profound. While in versions like Nolan's the corruption was limited to police and judges, here the corruption in this film reaches even the highest political spheres of the city. And so it is that I am not surprised by the emergence of such a dangerous, psychotic and homicidal villain like Edward Nashton / The Riddler who at the same time was one of the many unfortunate victims of the aforementioned corruption that made his youth a hell and take the path of evil

    • @r-zeatlfilms
      @r-zeatlfilms 2 роки тому +2

      They just based gotham on Mexico

    • @dancooke8811
      @dancooke8811 2 роки тому

      Not Nashton Nigma

    • @LanceVanceDance84
      @LanceVanceDance84 2 роки тому +1

      @@dancooke8811 His last name was only ever "Nygma" in Batman Forever. In nearly every other iteration, the Riddler's name is Edward Nashton. Having him be named Edward Nygma in this particular film would have been a bit too on-the-nose considering the tone they were going for.

    • @massiveedgelord5945
      @massiveedgelord5945 2 роки тому

      @@r-zeatlfilms if batman operated in mexico he'd be dead in like 2 days

  • @haustyl12
    @haustyl12 2 роки тому +83

    What I loved about the riddler in this movie is that 90% of his plans were successful and was in control the whole time. Even manipulating Batman to accomplish what he couldn’t. The only plan that failed was the one he had the least control of, and that was the shooting in the stadium and Bruce Wayne’s failed assassination attempt. All in all he succeeded in almost everything he set forth

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 2 роки тому +124

    11:12 This film's Falcone was a lot more effective than Batman Begins's who was quickly caught by Batman then gassed by Scarecrow with him presumably spending the rest of his life permanently insane in Arkham.

    • @magallanesagustin4952
      @magallanesagustin4952 2 роки тому +26

      True. And he was also more ruthless.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +9

      @Xehanort10 This film's Falcone was effective for this film and Batman Begins' Falcone was effective for Batman Begins.

    • @ribedalex8672
      @ribedalex8672 2 роки тому +3

      @@dermilchmann3655 this movie truly brings out the flaws on the Nolan's trilogy

  • @iNostraD
    @iNostraD 2 роки тому +108

    This movie made John Turturro legitimately terrifying, it’s a masterpiece for that alone.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +10

      @Nostra The 2 parts of the story about Falcone's relationships with the Waynes and the Kyles are the best parts of the movie.

    • @worsethanhitlerpt.2539
      @worsethanhitlerpt.2539 2 роки тому +5

      I thought John was rather tame like a nice grandpa while the Riddler was a total psycho and the Batmobile was like a nightmare

    • @pip7967
      @pip7967 2 роки тому +2

      I only saw mr deeds butler 😅

    • @bucketstuck7137
      @bucketstuck7137 2 роки тому

      lol what? Turturro has been worlds better in so many other roles.

    • @iNostraD
      @iNostraD 2 роки тому +1

      @@bucketstuck7137 Nobody said otherwise, you must be the leader of the John Turturro fan club.

  • @Osama-bin-Laden
    @Osama-bin-Laden 2 роки тому +145

    Shrek was born in an unknown swamp where he lived with his parents as a child. His father tried to eat him and his mother never gave him so much affection and his parents abandoned Shrek when he was 8 years old because it was an "Ogre Tradition". Shrek tried to be accepted by the people but failed because they believed him that he was a "horrible beast", so Shrek finds a swamp who becomes his home but is presumably who sometimes people attack his swamp despite being all times scares by Shrek and they run away. Shrek so lived a solitary life.
    Shrek annoyed by Donkey's singing. In the first film, Shrek is shown as a recluse who lives a fairly carefree life in his swamp. At first, he appears to like being by himself and enjoys scaring people, but not hurting them. Even though his background is unknown, it is assumed that most ogres hurt people, but Shrek isn't violent.
    One day in the forest, a talking Donkey enters Shrek's territory pursued by a group of knights. The head knight orders Shrek to be arrested, but Shrek effortlessly scares them off and saves Donkey. A grateful Donkey thanks Shrek repeatedly (to the latter's irritation) and convinces him to spend the night outside of Shrek's house. However, more fairy tale creatures soon arrive and begin to overcrowd his swamp. Shrek demands to know why they have come and learns that Lord Farquaad has dumped them all there. Outraged, Shrek takes Donkey and goes to his castle to demand his swamp back.
    Upon arriving at Farquaad's castle in Duloc, he defeats every knight in a contest to determine who will rescue Princess Fiona. When he wins, this intrigues Farquaad and he cuts a deal with Shrek: If he rescues his princess, he will give Shrek's swamp back. Shrek agrees and the duo set out once again to the dark castle Fiona is locked away in, guarded by a fire-breathing Dragon. But first, Shrek and Donkey have to cross the only rope bridge to the castle hanging precariously over a lake of lava. Once inside, Shrek orders Donkey to find stairs because the princess will be in the highest room of the tallest tower while Shrek himself searches for the Dragon. Unfortunately, Donkey inadvertently finds the dragon, and Shrek is forced to fight it, only to be flung by its tail right through the roof of the tallest tower. While Donkey keeps the dragon occupied, Shrek meets Princess Fiona for the first time and leaves with her in tow. After they rescue Donkey and escape from the castle, Fiona insists that Shrek take his helmet off, and is repulsed by the fact that Shrek is an ogre. Shrek appears not to care and takes Fiona by force to Farquaad. As nightfall approaches, Fiona demands they stop for the night, but secludes herself in a cave for reasons unknown. That night, Shrek and Donkey bond while stargazing, and Shrek confides in Donkey that he chooses to live alone because most people (except Donkey) prefer to fear and stereotype him rather than try to get to know him. The next day, the trio continue to Duloc and encounter the Merry men, where Fiona reveals her impressive martial arts skills. After the fight, Fiona notices an arrow in Shrek's butt and orders Donkey to find a blue flower with red thorns just to get rid of him. Despite some difficulty, Fiona manages to remove the arrow and they continue their journey. Throughout the rest of the trip back to Farquaad, Fiona warms up to Shrek and Donkey and Shrek begins to fall in love with Fiona. However, when bringing her a flower that evening after stopping to camp at an old mill, Shrek overhears Fiona talking to Donkey about how no one could love an ugly monster. Shrek thinks she's talking about him and enraged and hurt, he goes and brings Farquaad and his knights to take her to his castle. As promised, Shrek gets his swamp back and he is by himself once again. However, Shrek is still not happy, so after an intense argument, he apologizes to Donkey, with the latter convincing Shrek to get Fiona back. They take Dragon (whom Donkey started a relationship with) to Lord Farquaad's palace. Shrek crashes their wedding and confesses to Fiona that he loves her. At first, Fiona tells him that he's too late and prepares to kiss Farquaad. However, the sun begins to go down, and Fiona transforms into an ogre too, surprising Shrek and making him realizes what he heard at the windmill. However, Farquaad is disgusted with her now and orders her and Shrek arrested. As the guards grab them, Shrek finds himself overwhelmed, but manages to summon Donkey and Dragon. They burst through the stained glass windows of the church and Dragon eats Farquaad, killing him.
    Shrek and Fiona kiss, breaking her curse, but permanently turning her into an ogre. Fiona is still unsure about herself, but Shrek assures Fiona he still thinks she's beautiful, and they get married. The story ends with Shrek and Fiona's wedding and going off in an onion carriage on their way to their honeymoon

    • @whistleblower1717
      @whistleblower1717 2 роки тому +46

      What the actual fuck. This is beautiful

    • @yqafree
      @yqafree 2 роки тому +35

      Bruh, you just summarized Shrek for everyone. It's awesome but a strange choice of channel let alone video to do this to.

    • @sirlink9611
      @sirlink9611 2 роки тому +28

      Don't you think you're ogreanalyzing it?

    • @joezar33
      @joezar33 2 роки тому +10

      Raaaaaadom AF . Maybe we need a Batman/Shrek Crossover lol

    • @joezar33
      @joezar33 2 роки тому +6

      @@yqafree think this channel maybe had the Ginger Bread Man from Shrek as a April fools joke .

  • @Puvwilmo00
    @Puvwilmo00 2 роки тому +25

    The Riddler has always been one of Batman’s more comedic villains so massive props to this movie for making him believably and legitimately sinister.

  • @Cybop-xd9mm
    @Cybop-xd9mm 2 роки тому +31

    During the movie, I was thinking about how during the Joker’s time in theaters in 2019. The media was saying it was going to spark incels and mass shootings. But when The Batman actually has an incel character that has amassed an online following that all meet up to kill people in a public setting. The media doesn’t say anything about it. Just a thought I had lol

    • @ketomine.
      @ketomine. 2 роки тому +5

      Exactly, Riddler in this movie is who the media said Joker was made for/by

    • @Thespeedrap
      @Thespeedrap 2 роки тому +5

      Maybe because Joker really foreshadowed where Riddler came from a broken city system and try to be the emblem that was left behind.

  • @jalenchildress716
    @jalenchildress716 2 роки тому +36

    I feel like the city of Gotham itself could have its own hour long episode on the channel. She is cruel and relentless, but most of all she cold and consistent. I absolutely love it, and Matt Reeves portrayal of it.

    • @WhiteFangofWar
      @WhiteFangofWar 2 роки тому

      The comics have often made the suggestion that perhaps the city of Gotham really is cursed by sorcery. It has the highest wealth gap in the US, and both the richest and the poorest of its citizens seem to fall into a murderous insanity when they are wronged by someone much more easily than in other cities. A general net increase in flaring tempers.

  • @philbattiste9649
    @philbattiste9649 2 роки тому +121

    What's so great about this film is it's very anti-Batman in a lot of ways, but still is true to the character. Show me other Bruce Wayne Batman stories where the Riddler isn't a goof who Batman can easily outsmart, where Thomas and Martha Wayne aren't the paragons of virtue Bruce believes them to be, where Batman gets called out for solving problems with nuclear cars and military equipment. None of these things are what most would consider characteristics of a mainstream, status quo Batman story.

  • @UnfoundFilms
    @UnfoundFilms 2 роки тому +45

    As a lifelong Riddler fan who has always wished for a proper film adaptation you have no idea how happy I am seeing Edward get this much discussion and love.

  • @ScroggsOVision
    @ScroggsOVision 2 роки тому +31

    One minor thing I did after seeing the film in theaters, loved it by the way, was compare and contrast Riddler with the Arthur Fleck Joker, because there are similarities, such as being children of abuse with mental health issues who feel discarded by the system and society. Also taking on personas of "who they are" in order to enact revenge, amassing a large group of followers, and both their stories involving Thomas Wayne. Though in Joker's case it was his mother believing him to be Arthur's father (which may be the case, given how trippy the film is), while a lot of Edward's problems and targets are created by Wayne's calling on Falcone and being murdered. Also, Edward cultivates his followers in order to unleash mass destruction, while Arthur doesn't really order them, mostly just using their anger to escape form the police several times. There's probably more but I thought it was interesting.

  • @MrThatguyuknow
    @MrThatguyuknow 2 роки тому +7

    I think Robert Patterson did a fantastic job communicating just how destructive being batman was for Bruce. He looks perpetually exhausted, if not sickly from his work. And he's not some muscled Greek god like in most superhero films either. He looks like his body is a direct result of the job, rather than someone just training at the gym to get big. That kind of stuff combined with the grounded antagonist figures really helped my suspension of disbelief. This is by far the realest feeling batman yet, and even after so many of them I'm actually up for more.

  • @seandawson5899
    @seandawson5899 2 роки тому +46

    I've been watching Vile eye for a while now. Every time a new episode comes out I am reminded how kick ass it was of you to start this series. There's nothing like it!

  • @roguebritgravy1
    @roguebritgravy1 2 роки тому +106

    I like that they took John Doe, Jigsaw and the Zodiac Killer and combined them into the Riddler.

    • @dermilchmann3655
      @dermilchmann3655 2 роки тому +2

      @RogueBrit Gravy1 Same

    • @worsethanhitlerpt.2539
      @worsethanhitlerpt.2539 2 роки тому +2

      I was laughing my ass off when the Riddler was being creepy over the phone yes its alot like the videos Jigsaw made for his victims

    • @af635
      @af635 2 роки тому +2

      they should just take away the bat suit and call this name VeNgEaNcE because this isnt batman, or the riddler, this is some ghetto netflix movie

    • @LanceVanceDance84
      @LanceVanceDance84 2 роки тому +9

      @@af635 I'd like to see you do better.

    • @alexandertiberius1098
      @alexandertiberius1098 2 роки тому +4

      @@af635 no, it is Batman, just look at the title.

  • @AbstractIntellectus
    @AbstractIntellectus 2 роки тому +48

    Videos like these are absolutely essential. Most people I know think hard-core criminals deserve torture, brutal deaths for the crimes they commit. That is Vengeance, not Justice. Justice is doing right by the victim, punishing the perpetrator but also doing right by the perpetrator by attempting to rehabilitate them. Videos like these make the layperson understand why the villains do what they do. It's not about excusing what these horrible people do. Riddler for example, is a scumbag. But he still a sentient being, every sentient being deserves to be understood. Understanding and the desire to do so, that will ultimately be our salvation. I come across as very self-righteous and I want to say, that I obviously have done wrong myself in my life. The key is to try be better though. And to never stop trying.

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 роки тому +9

      In many ways, that's Batman's arc here. Riddler thought he was vengeance too, look where that got him. In the Destiny franchise, there's an exchange where one character tells his apprentice that when you go after someone bad, do it because what they did was wrong, not because you were wronged.

    • @lewistyler462
      @lewistyler462 2 роки тому +5

      Yes we all deserve a fair trial and even though the criminal justice system can seem flawed and unfair, it's better than hanging people in the street based on the irrationality of the herd. It's interesting, the hypocrisy of people, myself included, of course. Equality and justice for all, well except those people of course, they are monsters.

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 2 роки тому +30

    5:32 A few elements of the film are based on the Telltale Batman game and the more vicious Riddler is one of them.

  • @Skwadley
    @Skwadley 2 роки тому +39

    If you haven’t, Bill from Kill Bill would be an incredibly interesting villain to cover.

  • @jasongreathouse6661
    @jasongreathouse6661 2 роки тому +173

    This film was amazing and this take on The Riddler was unbelievably disturbing.
    A villain, representing evil, that must be covered is Nina Myers from “24.” She’s a sneaky and unlikely villain who surprises everyone on the series. She’s obviously a follower of that of Makiveli.

    • @speedisoftheessence
      @speedisoftheessence 2 роки тому +3

      Man, 24 had a number of good villains. Another good one is President Charles Logan.

    • @taylordavison6849
      @taylordavison6849 2 роки тому +8

      Did you mean "Machiavelli"?

    • @jasongreathouse6661
      @jasongreathouse6661 2 роки тому +1

      @@taylordavison6849 yes couldn’t find correct spelling

    • @1dorz
      @1dorz 2 роки тому +1

      @@jasongreathouse6661 that twist still gets me. Amazing TV

  • @izworks420
    @izworks420 2 роки тому +99

    I found some interesting characters that would make a good analysis.
    Agent Smith - The Matrix Trilogy
    Wilson Fisk - Daredevil
    Clay Puppington - Moral Orel
    Zebediah Killgrave - Jessica Jones

  • @angelnolasco9723
    @angelnolasco9723 2 роки тому +20

    When I watched The Batman, I said to myself: "I hope The Vile Eye makes a video about the Riddler, it'd be great."
    I'm glad it became true. Amazing video, as always

  • @Direfloof
    @Direfloof 2 роки тому +3

    Truly never thought I’d get to have a Riddler depicted outside of animated series, and Paul Dano owned every minute his character was given. Such an amazing confrontation and mirroring of Batman’s rage and immature notions of justice that force him to become an actual hero and not just a vengeful specter. Such a stellar way to lean into Batman’s origins as a detective, real character growth, and a story that resonates with our own frustrations at an entrenched system. Great video!!

  • @jonathanbartlett1098
    @jonathanbartlett1098 2 роки тому +7

    This riddler was written to be the Dark Shadow of the hero, and the two characters share a lot of parallels. They both suffered tragically from the same event, the murder of Thomas Wayne, and it set them on their respective paths. They are both intelligent and have a keen eye for puzzles, riddles and cryptography. They both keep journals detailing their missions, with the Riddler writing essentially his manifesto and Bruce detailing his "Gotham Project". Both characters act out of a shared trauma, though they do not realize it for most of the film. The mirror that the Riddler provides for Batman is his desire to achieve justice without the restraint of rules, which leads him to use killing as a tool to achieve his goals. Through his encounters with the Riddler, Bruce realizes that the path he is on leads to darkness whether he intends it or not and it inspires him to be more than just a vigilante. I really enjoyed this movie, flaws and all, and I hope that a sequel is in the works because I think the Dark Detective version of batman worked very well on screen. Also, I loved the scene where the batmobile is introduced

  • @theTarnished46
    @theTarnished46 2 роки тому +5

    I thank you, noticing people like riddler could and will exist in this real world. You didn’t have to input the links, yet you took the extra “mile” to show that you, someone who has no connection to us, acknowledging the wounded and angry victims like me. You are more than an online teacher, you’re a good man.

  • @eddieguerrerofantasy
    @eddieguerrerofantasy 2 роки тому +50

    For me one of the best movie of batman in recent years, along with the dark knight this movie was fantastic 🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇. I was also surprised of the evil of Carmine Falcone, unlike many other versions of the characters who shows to have a honorable code or redeeming quality this version was a despicable monster and probably the most vile in the movie

    • @spencerfoote6977
      @spencerfoote6977 2 роки тому +16

      Same I enjoyed it. I like how much Batman had to struggle in this movie like staying up all night fighting crime really effects your body/head.

  • @quincy2376
    @quincy2376 2 роки тому +20

    I really enjoyed the fresh take on the riddler. They actually gave him some depth and made him scary as opposed to a joke of a villain. I’d like an episode on Bill from kill bill if you think it would be an interesting episode

  • @Hades8103
    @Hades8103 2 роки тому +5

    Batman Forever's Riddler was no less demented but zany, wacky in the best way.
    The Batman's Riddler brought back vibes of when I first watched Se7en, demonstrating just how demented a person's mind can be and rendered in such a way.
    And I love 'em both

  • @laurocoman
    @laurocoman 2 роки тому +9

    Batman's rogue gallery is FINALLY represented in a proper film. We finally got a couple good villains that were not the Joker.

  • @diddles3383
    @diddles3383 2 роки тому +10

    5:12 just wanted to say that he likely did develop ASPD as a result of his trauma, as ASPD commonly develops as a result from childhood trauma, in contrast to popular belief.

  • @Meowmeow11721
    @Meowmeow11721 2 роки тому +5

    thank you for the ending "PSA" you could call it. Me and my friends were talking about the riddler recently and i had to explain to them that the riddler isn't just a fictional character, it's a representation of a real type of people that have been responsible for real life violence (mass shootings, abuse, assault, etc.)

  • @seanriley3094
    @seanriley3094 2 роки тому +5

    So good to see Batman portrayed as a hero!! I love this movie, great video! The contrast of vengeance was a great Batman story to tell and a very important story right now

  • @humanman4989
    @humanman4989 2 роки тому +13

    The story of this movie was really similar to telltale batman with the family backstory with falcone and hill. The riddler equivalent is also screwed over by the waynes and has a similar motive. Kinda suspicious

  • @jacobreeves3110
    @jacobreeves3110 2 роки тому +6

    While Batman is very capable. Truth is that the riddlers plan, not only showed Bruce’s strengths, but more importantly his weaknesses. At first he wasn’t sure the riddler was in the wrong. But by the end he knows exactly where he stands, who he represent. It’s a great character study.

  • @TeoTH80
    @TeoTH80 2 роки тому +3

    The Batman also understands that fact along his journey.
    At first he wants to become a warning to the criminals. Strike fear into their hearts, thinking it would deter them from their actions.
    But we all know punishment alone isn't enough to stop crime.
    And the Batman learnt that he needs to become more. More than just a crime fighting vigilante.
    He became a beacon of hope when the people needed one.
    This film is amazing and I'm excited to see what heights they can reach with this series.

  • @InTheMindOfDavid
    @InTheMindOfDavid 2 роки тому +5

    Writers wrote the Riddler perfectly placing his narcissism and and egotistical feelings of intellectual superiority to the forefront. In fact ever character was written and portrayed by the actors perfectly. The writers and director knew their shit! And surprisingly even took some influences from the Batman Arkham games with the fight choreography. While the composer took a lot of inspiration from Danny Elfman’s score from Batman Returns. I also really like that his was almost a crime noir thriller and how much this movie reminded me of Se7en. I loved everything about this movie. It’s on par with The Dark Knight.

  • @gamingwithquancena4989
    @gamingwithquancena4989 2 роки тому +14

    I think It would be interesting for your take on Gollum. I know his character has been covered to death but I still find his character super interesting. I think it would be interesting to get your opinion if Gollum was always ripe with evil, or the ring just brought out the bad aspects of his character.

    • @Sextus70
      @Sextus70 Рік тому

      If I recall correctly according to book canon he was at some point close to redemption but, due to Sam's hostility (can't blame him for it though), Gollum finally prevailed over what was once Smeagol. Maybe he had already some intrinsic negative traits before finding the ring, such as selfishness and addiction vulnerability. However, and just like a bad upbringing and environment do to most criminals or drug addicts in real life, the One Ring influence clearly worsened them and turned him into the wicked creature that would be known as Gollum. Let's remember that even individuals with strong morals and willpower like Bilbo and Frodo were eventually corrupted by it to the point they could react violently against their loved ones.
      The movies were faithful to that aspect IMO and, in some scenes, it's clear that there's still some humanity left in Smeagol, which makes his final fall from grace and demise even more tragic.

  • @robertm5084
    @robertm5084 2 роки тому +4

    I know this is a video about the riddler but as a Batman fan it warms my heart to see that Thomas Elliot (Hush) is the one that tried to expose Thomas Wayne and was dealt with by Falcone

  • @TheSharkiee
    @TheSharkiee 2 роки тому +14

    Hope that we see Harvey Dent next now there is no DA. Two-Face/Harvey Dent is such a great character who has so much potential. Nolan did such a great job with him and can see Reeves doing a great job too

  • @josephlaski6414
    @josephlaski6414 2 роки тому +18

    Could you do a video of an evil hero, as in a hero who would be considered evil by normal standards but is overall good, like the punisher?

    • @alezarde211
      @alezarde211 2 роки тому +2

      That’s an antihero really

    • @floydharper1216
      @floydharper1216 2 роки тому +10

      I wouldn't call the Punisher overall good though. Not even the Punisher thinks the Punisher is a good guy, interesting character but not someone to aspire to be.

    • @IFearWork
      @IFearWork 2 роки тому +2

      I would consider the punisher a necessary evil

    • @josephlaski6414
      @josephlaski6414 2 роки тому

      Hero, anti-hero, we are "analyzing evil"

    • @floydharper1216
      @floydharper1216 2 роки тому

      @@josephlaski6414 oh he's definitely evil, at least one version of the Punisher has admitted he'd rather have the life he has than the one with his family back. That tends to undermine what little excuse he has for his actions, if killing people he decides deserve to die is more rewarding to him than a loving family

  • @1neOfN0ne
    @1neOfN0ne 2 роки тому +6

    I understand these things are subjective but it's really hard to grasp how anyone could say this was a bad film. It's just so god damn good in every way

  • @ARB1452
    @ARB1452 Рік тому +2

    I watched Banshee's of Inisherin and its kinda nuts what a great job Colin did transforming into Oz.
    Buuut also Barry Keoghan is fantastic in that movie and the way he has transformed himself to play "Unnamed Arkham Prisoner" is excellent and I can't wait to see more of him.

  • @christopherseegars1044
    @christopherseegars1044 2 роки тому +3

    You really brought out the whole perspective of this film…and it makes me love it even more. I always watch your videos, I’m a screenwriting student at Full Sail University who is actually creating different scripts now…and to hear how you’ve broke this down to the tee, to show people the great of it…really is an amazing thing, the only thing is that the reporters name was Edward Elliot…father of one Thomas Elliot or Hush as we know him from the comics. However, despite that, this is truly flawless; and as a Batman fan who is team Battinson after seeing this movie…it’s been an honor to watch this film and this video that is of the truest understanding. Thank you dude…thank you!!!!

  • @ItsNotAXylophone
    @ItsNotAXylophone 2 роки тому +5

    You making that plea to those who feel slighted by society and adding resources they can call for help, makes you the hero the people need.
    Huge fan and I hope screenwriters examine your analysis in an effort to make great villains for generations to come.
    Cheers!

  • @knightfall0153
    @knightfall0153 2 роки тому +8

    I love how they turned "The Riddler" into "The Redditor"

  • @LordBaktor
    @LordBaktor 2 роки тому +1

    I like how the movie hints in both subtle and obvious ways at Batman not being as experienced yet. He fights with anger and reckless abandon rather than control. First time he visits The Iceberg Lounge he just goes to the door and fights his way in, second time he infiltrates as Bruce and third time he is a little more sneaky about it. He doesn't look at clues past the surface level "what is it? A chisel?" "It's a murder weapon", took someone else to point out it was a carpeting tool. I hope we get to see him evolve into a more mature version of the character over the movies.

  • @InspireCreate43
    @InspireCreate43 2 роки тому +10

    I honestly enjoyed this Batman movie, but admittedly I had trouble understanding the finer details of the story. Thank you for explaining it clearly, I look forward to watching this again with a better understanding. 👍👍

  • @Meadras
    @Meadras 2 роки тому +6

    It's such an interesting twist that The Riddler so admired Batman while also hating Bruce Wayne to the point of attempted murder

  • @austrociking4345
    @austrociking4345 2 роки тому +18

    If you’re planning on doing a film on vigilantism, would you please include Edmond Dantes from The Count of Monte Cristo Novel? That or his appearance in the anime: Gankatsuou The Count of Monte Cristo, they both portrait one of the most morally grey characters that I think could exist in fiction and I think should be considered vigilantes

  • @leonelcastanarez8324
    @leonelcastanarez8324 2 роки тому +5

    Your videos are truly some of the best constructed analysis on villains i've seen truly commendable work

  • @kp-da
    @kp-da 2 роки тому +4

    My fav part was how they poked a little fun at Alfred and Bats trying to solve the riddles. 😅 It was very cute how they were too smart for their own good.

  • @sebastianalegria3401
    @sebastianalegria3401 Рік тому +3

    I had the chance to attend The Batman's premiere at the cinema, which I found an unbelievable movie. And although Paul Dano was the supporting actor, he was actually the movie's star. Moreover, I never thought that Bob Pattinson was going to play Batman's role, but he didn't disappoint anybody. So he amazed me as much as the whole cast, from Paul as the Riddler to Colin Farrell as Penguin.

  • @rinzaigigen2640
    @rinzaigigen2640 2 роки тому +12

    This was a decent summary of the Riddler's backstory as presented in the film, and I can't deny that I was waiting for you to cover him, though I had hoped you might have focused on the individual instead of his surroundings, so as not to risk condoning him. Ultimately, upon reflection it is obvious that Edward's cardinal sin falls under the category of *envy;* he clearly idealizes but resents Bruce Wayne for a childhood that most of us would consider tragic, operating under the delusion that his own orphanage was somehow objectively worse despite its being a subjective experience. At times, it becomes obvious that on a subconscious level he recognizes that this is not at all the case, since he desires deeply to be treated as an equal to him and acknowledged as an equal *by* him, even coming to expect this as though it were an irrefutable fact on par with his otherwise thorough and admirably deduced research. Batman's rejection of this narcissistic self-identification underscores the central theme of the film: the significance of choice. While both Bruce and Edward were orphans, Batman became a symbol of hope and thereby helped fulfill his father's legacy of renewal, at first by vengeance and then by altruism, whereas the Riddler's vendetta against the guilty was both disproportionate to the villains and horrifying to the innocents. In the final consideration, Edward lost the sympathy he might have received from us for the alleged barbarity of his conditions, since he had become a conduit for that barbarity, whereas Bruce, with his idealistic crusade against these forces, remains the golden boy whom we adopt into our hearts. It's also why I hope someday to see your analysis of _Parasite,_ since the Parks deserve a proper burial and the Kims require a sufficient indictment, if only to serve as a reminder that class does not excuse narcissism, and poverty can never pardon murder.
    **[({R.G.)}]**

    • @rinzaigigen2640
      @rinzaigigen2640 2 роки тому +1

      *As an addendum:* I can't condone your fourth conclusion, which feels as excessive as the last quarter of the film. I always looked up to Batman, from a very young age, for seeking vengeance for his family and finding justice in the process, and I could apply this pattern of success to other controversial heroes I admire, such as Light from _Death Note,_ Fring from _Breaking Bad,_ or Hamlet. One can hardly claim that one upholds morality whilst at the same time one refuses to participate in vengeance and its proper course, however highly one regards a legal system and utilitarian appeals. Revenge remains a classic obligation to oneself and to one's fellows, and I hope that any modern institution honours it as Shakespeare did, as MacIntyre does, etc. Batman gets his vengeance by participating in this plot; Falcone's dead, and Batman didn't even have to break his Rule. His arc is finished and the debt of blood is paid, so he is free to look to hope, for that's his moral obligation now. The Riddler, conversely, had nobody to avenge except himself, and so it is only himself whom he can blame; he is a feeble imitation, a deranged perversion of morality, and nothing more. *[({R.G.)}]*

    • @phillipayriss3608
      @phillipayriss3608 2 роки тому +2

      Suggestion; Use double spacing after sentences, and paragraphs. Makes things easier to read.

    • @ultimamage3
      @ultimamage3 2 роки тому

      @@rinzaigigen2640 You admire Light. Your opinion is invalid.

    • @naveenjacob2440
      @naveenjacob2440 2 роки тому +1

      @@ultimamage3 You can admire Light for being a really great character, but not as a person

    • @shannong5886
      @shannong5886 Рік тому

      I agree on Edward becoming a conduit for barbarity and his revenge being disproportionate but I would argue that his upbringing WAS objectively worse given the severe deprivation he grew up in compared to Bruce, even with their shared trauma of parental loss

  • @bornimusic
    @bornimusic 2 роки тому +2

    Incredible work as always. I absolutely love this movie and you broke down the nuance of what makes it work so perfectly. Thank you

  • @JelloFluoride
    @JelloFluoride 2 роки тому

    This series is so damn well done. A step or two above most of the content on UA-cam. The presentation and execution is consistent and your analysis is insightful.

  • @Saltyarticles
    @Saltyarticles 2 роки тому +4

    Theres nothing better than a Vile eye video and lunch break. Great video as always.

  • @TheSharkiee
    @TheSharkiee 2 роки тому +12

    Loved this Riddler.
    I really like how he thinks he's doing good work by stopping corruption and he's partners with Batman only to get rejected.
    His character has so much growth now.

  • @thunderousbitch8163
    @thunderousbitch8163 2 роки тому +1

    thank u for the crisis links, VileEye, very thoughtful of u and appreciated ♥

  • @alkristopher
    @alkristopher 2 роки тому +1

    I personally feel like the interrogation scene was an homage to the final scene in "High and Low". In both scenes the glass casing separating the two has ghostly reflections superimposed over each character, suggesting that each is a mirror image of the other. Great film, and definitely one with similarities (downtrodden nobody seeks revenge on the wealthy, leads police on a deadly hunt using lots of detective work, antagonist wins the battle but not the hero's soul).

  • @jessicastrike5640
    @jessicastrike5640 2 роки тому +5

    This is a Riddler I have always wanted to see on the big screen, loved this adaptation and cannot wait to see more from this version of Gotham and see more of Batman’s rogues
    In particular Mad Hatter, Hugo Strange, Victor Freeze and other mob types like Penguin such as Black Mask
    Mad Hatter especially would be very interesting for a Batman that is now focussed on saving people, being “the knight” if you will, with a mad man killing women that reject him until he finally finds his perfect Alice

    • @WhiteFangofWar
      @WhiteFangofWar 2 роки тому +2

      'Picture a Gotham where cops did their duties, In lieu of licking a mob king's booties
      A Gotham whose min'sters did us no ills, Didn't turn a blind eye to rob'ries and kills
      A Gotham where everyone could eat their fill, A Gotham, in short, freed from free will
      What a marvelous Wonderland it would be, Would you, could you, not agree?'
      -J. Tetch

  • @enocescalona
    @enocescalona 2 роки тому +4

    i actually wanted you to do the Riddler, but damn, this is something i didn't expect. great work

  • @alecsarcade555
    @alecsarcade555 2 роки тому +2

    One of your best videos. So well worded and reminds me of why I love Batman and this film.

  • @Palmtreegame
    @Palmtreegame 2 роки тому

    I wanted to let u know I absolutely love you content and it makes my day when you upload, thx bro

  • @RhegianofRhegium
    @RhegianofRhegium 2 роки тому +7

    Make Analyzing Evil: UA-cam admins who banned dislike buttons

  • @benjamingamache6441
    @benjamingamache6441 2 роки тому +6

    Another sweet pick. I like how you've been analyzing the film as a whole as opposed to specific characters. I'd love to see "the watchmen" I think it might end up being one of the longest videos you might do because nearly everyone in that movie is morally questionable.

  • @CCEkeke
    @CCEkeke 2 роки тому +2

    Correction. The reporter who Falcone intimidated for Thomas Wayne was named Edward Elliot. Thomas Elliot is the name of Hush, one of Batman's newer rogues.

  • @BrothamanASMR
    @BrothamanASMR 2 роки тому +1

    This is my favorite channel, good work man

  • @mathiasleyssens8271
    @mathiasleyssens8271 2 роки тому +8

    I would love to see an episode on Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas!

  • @EddyTheMartian
    @EddyTheMartian 2 роки тому +3

    Glad you made a movie about The Batman, really cool. I think you should maybe make more videos on multiple villains for movies and TV shows instead of focusing on just one. Great video as always!

  • @mudshrooze
    @mudshrooze 2 роки тому +1

    Well done good sir. Very well written. And thankyou for bringing attention to people struggling with very negative thoughts and feelings

  • @WarlordM
    @WarlordM 2 роки тому +2

    This film is great, but it's such a missed opportunity to create a masterpiece. If Riddler had intended to kill Mayor Real instead of orchestrate a mass act of killing that turned him from a vigilante to monster, he could have been arguably a full on heroic figure forcing Batman to question if his no kill rule was holding him back (the deleted scene with the Joker makes this quandary into a clearer focus of the film.) Having Batman seriously question if killing was justified and that he wasn't doing enough, but then once he finally talked to Mayor Real realizing that, actually, his vigilantism was a total waste of his money that actually distracted him for his whole adult life from the abuse of his father's Renewal system, he could have chosen to give Mayor Real and charity a chance, and reject the Riddler's ideology on an intellectual level instead of being forced to reject it because it was perverted by the choice to make him a mass killer.
    Instead of being tempted by the "dark side" that is extrajudicial killing but ultimately turned away from it by external forces, Batman could have chosen between two legitimate options, lethal vengeance and hopeful charity, and chosen the latter because he believed in the future Mayor Real and a purified Renewal program could bring.
    (Which, yes, would be Batman choosing democratic socialism over alternative right populism, which is what the film actually espouses but does a poor job of conveying by making the alt-right Riddler too morally black)

  • @ashleygris
    @ashleygris 2 роки тому +5

    I was so excited to see this video posted. Was such an amazing film. It was like Batman meets Se7en. Can't wait to see what else Matt Reeves has in store.