Tesla Model X 100D degradation test after 100k km/4 years
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4% degradation on my 70D after 5 years and 200K kilometers. Very impressiv car only one doorhandle and schocks rear fix .👍👍
that's crazy. my old bmw has been broken hundreds of times, literally every other week something broke.....I have an impression people tolerate high faulty fossil cars, but it has been a trap by automakers to actually build cars that will fail in order to continue with revenue of their services....I wish tesla was available 10 years ago. no way I would buy fossil car that pollutes and damages health and environment and not mentioning you pay big bucks for fuel
I am going thru second round of door handles now... 145k miles, suspension, battery, MCU, steering rack and few more, MS 2015 70d
What are your charging habits?
Slow charging 10 amps home al the time. Lots of roadtrips Supercharger to max 85 % short stops 20 to 30 minutes.
I use the car a lot every day that's the key. Low regen. Same brakes.
Excelent result, i
'm also looking for tesla with Panasonic battery pack instead newer ones which are Lg and have worse battery degradation.
I wish this information is more readily available from Tesla. It would be nice to be able to see the energy usage due to speed, hills, head wind, a/c, heater, etc.
I have a 2014 Model S 60 with 60,000km in Japan .I AC charge 10 or 8 amps @100v on 50 Hz all the time because there are no Tesla chargers near. I do DC charge with the chademo adapter ,but it's rare. If you like I can give you the numbers off scan my Tesla.
Here is what scan my Tesla gave me
2014 Model S
21 inch TSW wheels
Total 60928 km
Batt. pack.............60kw
SOC .....................99.8
Nominal Full pack 56.6
Energy buffer .......2.80
AC charge.............5500 kw
DC Charge............3698 kw
Regenerated........10292 kw
Charge cycle ..........344
Rated range...375 km
Typical range 296 km
Full rated .,......367 km
Full typical.......290 km
The car is very impressive
Yet, another, reason why we went for Tesla...the confidence that you leave the car to manage battery health and longevity, on its own. Just plug it in when you get back home (or arrive at destination), and let it do its thing.
@@prerunnerwannabe There weren’t many around at the time.
No thanks, I don't want the BMS to work all the time and drain energy.
@@minjung3350
So you want a BMS that doesn’t protect the battery pack? Seems the Nissan Leaf is perfect then.
Using your math, my 2020 Model Y has about 3% degradation (304 vs 316) in 81xx miles. 70% has been charged on AC. Another great video with great info.
I thought you bought back Optimus Prime! LOL
People have unique perspectives and each are valuable, thank you for yours Bjorn. Very insightful 👏
Thanks for posting, 3% is impressive after 4 years and 100,000 miles.
I’ve heard predictions of 500,000 miles as the effective life of the battery pack, and this seems to confirm it.
Yes, though this was only about 61 500 miles (98 889 km).
This guy in Germany had over 660.000km on his 85 pack (Model S)
@@shockwave1xD he had to replace the battery 1 or 2 times.
@@akomohammadi6230 Not necessarily. There's a Model S in the Netherlands, a taxi. Done 500,000 km over its 7 year life, Supercharged a lot. Degradation after that was 17%. So not great, but not terrible.
@@akomohammadi6230 He did, but his current P85+ battery pack has well over 600,000 km on it now. The car has now done over 1.3 million km in total!
One day a company will sell a “CarFax” on EV’s where it shows battery degradation. It’s only a matter of time.
Please make video for Hundai ioniq degradation (28 kwh, 38kwh). Thanks before.
And bonus video for nissan leaf XD
The cell has been through around 370 charge cycles. Degradation is around 3%. If it remains linear, after 2000 cycles, we're looking at approximately 16%. Definitely better than expected 20% but still in line with expected results for the battery cells used.
EV battery degradation is not linear though.
@@HidingAllTheWay Yeah it's not. I'm aware of that. Most of the degradation happens rapidly closer to the 2000 cycle mark. It's nearly impossible to avoid dendrite formation after that many charge cycles. Also Fast Charging is a major detractor to cell life.
@@wakannnai1 there's also the fact that they tend to degrade slightly faster for the first couple hundred cycles or so before the rate of degradation levels off.
Thoughts on the story of the Model S than has done 400,000km and only 10% degradation?
Thank for the video! A white board would help a lot with the explanation.
I have 92.2 kwh in nominal full pack after 55 kkm in the same car. When it was new typcal range was 450 km.
I like this in-depth analysis, although it can be a bit confusing in its field definitions. My Apple laptop would show detailed system parameters, so it is a pity that EVs don’t provide access to it through the dash.
@Bjorn Do we know charging habbits? Like how often was it charged to 100% and what was typical daily charge?
Hi Bjørn!
Have you tested phantom drain on Tesla when you use Power Off feature in the Safety & Security.
I was thinking if the car still uses any energy.
You could test this in your garage.
Would be nice to refresh testing on battery drain when the car is switched off maybe on the newest Model 3s?
Beautiful Model X! Thank you so much, Bjørn
My Subaru Forester is 22 years old now, still going strong. Yes, not an option in Europe, but in Africa, where I stay, electric cars won't be an option any time soon am afraid...
I remember Hammond chose a Subaru for the TopGear Africa challenge. That was a great choice. All the best, Per (Denmark)
@@nakfan bought it directly from Japan with 78,000km, now am approaching 210,000km and haven't had any issues with it apart from some suspension stuff, which is normal with the horrible roads we have...
It's just interesting to me that people think that after 4 years a car is kind of "old" and it's an achievement if the battery hasn't degraded.
When I bought this car it was already 15 years old😂
It would appear an ev should last much longer then a fossil. If batteries can run 500,000 miles or more. Not many fossils top that number. An ev if kept in good shape could last a person a lifetime.
Not really. The chemistry have a physical lifespan of 15 to 25 years. Thats good enough in my opinion.
As battery chemistry improves and the availability of DC fast charging increases, vehicle and battery life will be the manufacturer's new battleground!
I believe Tesla will eventually succeed in having vehicles that last over One Million Miles without major repairs!
Thank you for your effort and help with these videos / tutorials. We live in Norway as well and have currently TMS 2018 mod. but we would like to upgrade to TMX 100d.
Not bad at all for 4 years
VERY interesting!
I think you are right to use the specification battery size rather than the actual size for the degradation test. The customer bought the car based on its specified range which will not include this "Extra" capacity!
One thing you might like to report on is the one-year, five-year, battery degradation for all the cars you test?? I realize this might be a pain in the ass, but will be a very useful piece of information for people who would like to buy second-hand EV's or intend to keep the car for its full life!
I suspect that this is another area that tesla is continually improving which adds value to their cars!
Significant battery degradation, particularly for DC Fast-charge users, is something that all EV owners should be aware of and take into account when buying an EV!
My M3LR has 0 kwh dc charging and I usually charge with 4kw ac max. Curious if degradation is lower and by how much
Now is the time to let us know. It's been 1 year 😀
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I got my MS LR (Raven) in sept of 2019. It now has 85.000 km on the odo and I use Superchargers 99% of the time and always charge to 90%. Since januari 2020 I write down regularly what the car says the range is with 90% state of charge : always around 506 km and now and then up to 521 km again. So the 3,5 % degradation isn't even degradation at all, because it's compared with brand new and some degradation during the first half hear is normal. Recently I got 412,5 km from 90% to 2% doing my job (all types of roads, 40 stops). So I don't see any degradation so far despite always Supercharging. I'm planning to drive my car until the end en will always use Superchargers for at least another 2 years. It's for free, it's only 5 km away from home and I have only 3 kW at home. When my new house is built, I want to be able to charge overnight and will habe solar panels. When brand new 100 % said 578 km and in March of 2020 it said 560 km, so also 3% degradation after 6 months. Since then I never charged to 100% again but maybe I will in 2 weeks whan I'm going in holidays. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe always using SuC is not that bad, time will tell... In the meantime I save o lot of money and if I lose some range in the long run, it's not a disaster. Charging rate btw is still normal (up to 144 kW).
Great info. How is the car still?
@@daniellele9634 151.500 km on the odo now en still 99% of the times charged by superchargers. When I charge till 90% the predicted range is now 496 km. One year ago it (100.000 km on the odo) was 505 km so 1 to 1,5 % degradation on 50.000 km and one year.
@@TombnolzHi, do you still own your Tesla? Any further degradation?
Regenerated charge is much bigger than DC charge :)
Hi Bjørn, I'm planning to buy my first EV soon, considering Polestar 2. Is there any chance for summer range tests or battery degradation test in one-year old P2?
Can you do degradation test on the Audi Etron 50?
I think the BMS should be use to check the degradation, so 6.7% in this case. Substracting buffers and internal losses just add misleading complexity and dependencies on the measurements. I belive this is how Tesla will claim if the battery is still in warranty levels that is what it matters 😅
Not misleading at all. I explained already in the video why subtracting (not "substracting" btw) loss. And buffer should not be counted because no one usually drives below 0 %.
It says it regenerated 5761 kWh. It this true? It would mean that around 28.000 km has been driven on regenerated power 🤯 more than 1/4 of the odometer…
Yup, we have a lot of steep hills in Norway.
I have a 2018 tesla model x with 217000 km. Using it a lot with caravan. Want to look at the degradation?
Thank you, Bjorn!!!!
Am I the only one who is missing the original Degradation tests?
Takes too long...
@@bjornnyland I know it would be a Big Pain in the Ass (BPA) but please find a way to work out long-term battery degradation?? Aren't their apps that help??
2018 X 100d 10,000 miles from new shows 90.5 nonamal full pack ?
will you test the dacia spring?
I have an identical car (X100D, 2017, 98'660 Km). DC Charge 3'091 KWh, AC Charge 21'619 Kwh. Nominal Full Pack today: 89.1 KWh (versus versus the 93.7 KWh above). Always charged max. 80%. Careful driving (summer/winter mix): 21.5 KWh/100 km. Summary: NOT ALL TESLAS ARE THAT GOOD!
If you believe in FSD, buy a Tesla. If you lost that faith (like me), there are plenty of other EVs out there today. The absolutely only Tesla-USP: Supercharger network.
NB: FSD. No Tesla will ever drive autonomously. I would be happy if the wipers would work automatically.
Hur många EV har topp buffer så de riskfritt kan laddas fullt varje gång?
När du laddar fullt, hur längre låter du då MX:en i detta fall stå med full laddat batteri? När tar batteriet skada av detta?
Ac charging helps :)
How many charge cycles has it done?
About 7% on my Model 3 after 3 years and 66,845.
Would charging from a 120v prolong the batter compared to charging at 240
The car coverts the 120/240 voltage to same dc-voltage for the batteries so it would be the same
@@ChipMIK so the charge doesn't change in temperature ?
Any sign of the Kia EV6 yet to test drive.
I don't understand why you use 90 kWh as the "specification" for what is advertised as a 100 kWh battery. You used 90 as the spec to calculate the degradation as only 3%. Why not use 100? Where do you get the figure of 90 as the spec? Maybe I missed something in your explanation....
102 kWh is gross capacity and 92 kWh is net capacity.
A lot of calculation, but "Usable remaining: 88.5" Its already there on the tester.
88,5 + 5 buffer = 93,5 ! No dégradation ! ;-)
How much do you charge the battery up to on a normal day to day basis ?
Normally you would charge it to 80% or 90% for a lithium battery. Tesla says 90% for daily use. For the LFP battery, Tesla says 100% for daily use.
@@danedane6613 actually on the tesla china Twitter it was charge LFP to 100% once a week. But the best charging practise for longevity is still not charging to 100%, they only allow it on LFP because you can get more cycles out of it and it helps with the battery calibration since LFP voltage curve is very flat.
Can anyone recomand me which Tesla model s variant is most efficent and longest range? Is it raven or ??
Most efficient: Model 3 SR+
Most range: Model S Long Range Palladium
Bjorn, if it’s a 100D, shouldn’t the specification be 100 kWh? I didn’t understand why you divided by 90. Am I missing something?
100 kWh is gross capacity. We're counting net capacity here.
@@bjornnyland Thanks man! All clear now
It’s not unusual to have a car that’s mostly AC charged, according to market research. Most cars are mostly AC charged. Specifically, in North America’s 90% of charging is destination charging, and that’s overwhelmingly AC. You’re an outlier, Bjorn! :-D
So how come the model name is 100D and it has got like 93Kw battery from new?
*kWh
Gross capacity vs net capacity.
@@bjornnyland Thanks for the quick reply. So usable aka net capacity is something like 93 kWh? (100kWh - 2kWh buffer on the full side and 5kWh buffer on the lower side)
My favourite car😎
If you drive the car for ~400km to emptying the batterie and calculate the battery capacity based on the consumption per driven Km as showed in the cars Info computer… what’s with the regeneration?
Every de acceleration and breaking will virtually add battery capacity and give a wrongful picture of the level of degradation !? I’ve been thinking that true over and over and even in my EQC with induction motors it is not really possible to set the car in “neutral” for every breaking to only use the hydraulic breaks and avoid an misleading picture of the cars consumption including the regeneration
Do Teslas not have a top buffer?
Not really, less than 1 kWh if they have one. When you charge to 100% you will have 0 re-gen so the battery really is full. Many other EVs do still have re-gen at 100% due to a top buffer.
@@Arpedk But could also be a software feature I guess. Top buffers make a ton of sense imo.
My eUp has about 4kWh of total buffer.
Not bad a all, but Bjørn to many numbers and very confusing in the beginning.
Only 2 years in and 30000km. I have 431km on a full 100% charge.
It used to be 460km on a full charge when new. Thus 6.3% degradation.
But that doesn't take into account potential changes through updates in how the car calculates the range. As mentioned. Do you supercharge a lot?
I guess that it depends also about the way you are driving it. After some time, it should take into account your average power consumption/100km to calculate the total range. At least my C-zero and my Ioniq do this.
@@matthijsborgdorff7766 Very very true that it might have changed with updates as Bjorn explained. I have 60% AC and 40% DC roughly.
@@AB-yt4hd I was always wondering if Tesla did this. My driving style is quite mild nevertheless.
The batteries are good until they go into the last part/stage of their lifecycle.
From then on, in no time they are gone.
*That part would be interesting to see.
What did you mean by 'compared to spec'? You wrote 90kWh as spec for this 100D. Why did you choose this amount?
That number came from Tesla's specification for that model.
@@martingorbush2944 Tesla did not specify the 100D having a 90kWh pack....
Why don't you start from 100 kwh? For me degradation is 6,3 %
And why don't you take "battery when new"?
100 kWh is gross capacity. Don't mix that with net capacity.
Infact i compare with net capacity... Can you tell me which was the net capacity wheb new?
omg why does it show "kWh" on some lines and "kWH" on others... 🤢
Disappointing for an app aimed at data nerds 😒
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