Model X extreme testing in -36°C/-33°F
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2018
- Yesterday it was extremely cold in Folldal, Norway. I went there to sleep in my car. In the morning the temperature was as low as -38°C/-36°C. The car started but it had some issues...
Range at 00:15: 316 km
Range at 06:00: 241 km
Average range consumed per hour: 13 km
Average heater power: 13 km * 210 Wh/km = 2.7 kW
Outside temperature when camping: -36°C/-33°F
Temperature inside the car: 18°C/64°F
Range mode on during camping
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It's so cold that Fahrenheit and Celsius is almost the same.
How does that even work? I know I'm a stupid American but Celsius doesn't seem linear at all.
water freezes at 0 and boils at 100 (Celsius) ... it seems quite linear to me. :)
They are both linear, but with different coefficients
Yeah Celsius just has a steeper slope than Fahrenheit, makes sense now thanks
Vitor, It's not possible to determine if a scale is linear from two data points. I'm not sure why people tend to think basing a temperature scale around waters freezing and boiling points is vastly superior to a more relate-able human based scale, but clearly you just wanted to mock Fahrenheit.
I'm watching a 24 minute video of a guy sleeping in his car. I'm loving every minute of it.
So fucking true Adam, so true
bcz he's being natural
yep, no regrets
Clearly you didn't watch the entire thing. He was only sleeping in it for about the first 8 minutes.
That's crepe
22:50 It looks like something else haha
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Nut
fresh milk
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The beginning is a horror movie.
Tyres are fine. They are cold and been resting in one spot and shaped a flat spot. We get that all the time in Alberta Canada. Drive it and they'll warm up.
Wow. We never experience that in equatorial Malaysia.
sometimes i get ice build ups on the brakes, thats pretty annoying the steering wheels just vibrates for like a good 20 min drive until the ice falls off, but that mostly happens because of snow and winds over a day or night and the car wasnt covered from it
In Russia we have problems too in 30-40. Tyres vibrate, brake discs are frozen sometime, engine oil freezes and engine does not start.
@@dmitrid8170 AYE, in alberta, -40 would cause throttle linkage to freeze up in older cars even oiled well. Couldn't actually drive the car until the engine block warmed the engine bay enough to use the gas pedal without it getting stuck open. Red line cold start and -40'C isn't great for an engine I think.
Yeah when it gets below about -20 C I definitely feel a bump for the first few minutes.
18:47 "Temperature is rising, it's -34C now, haha"
w0bblyd0inkb0ink 😂😂😂
w0bblyd0inkb0ink yes... when its rising it's getting warmer.
same
You do realize that when below negative, its raising when the number value is smaller
Lol whats wobbly is tryna say is that the temperature rising from 38 to 34 degrees isnt really much difference
Bjørn - doing crazy stuff with his Tesla so you don't have to!
Wife - where are you going?
Bjorn - out camping in my car
Wife - But it is -36*C outside, are you insane?
Bjorn - IT'S FOR SCIENCE!
*It's for them UA-cam money*
😂😂😂
Yeah, I wouldn't even have a wife--oh, wait, I don't.
Just do a burnout to warm up the tyres😂
With 4-wheel drive? Good luck😂😂
speaker freaker I am just kidding😆
Android Mods haha, i knew that😂😂😂😂
At that temperature, would probably tear up the fibers and deform the tires...
Maybe if he can tether to something and can disable traction control.
About the power steering 'freezing up': the car has electric power steering and I don't think it uses any hydraulic fluid.
But just like all ICE cars, most on-board systems in a Tesla work under a 12V-circuit, not directly from the high-voltage battery. If Tesla had to redevelop every system to fit its own circuitry, it would cost them billions. That's why they buy their hardware from standard automotive suppliers, which still heavily rely on 12V-networks.
So my hypothesis is that the 12V-battery is suffering from the cold and therefore the car is powering down high 12V-consumers, like the power steering, the TACC (radar eats up quite a lot of electrons, too) etc.
The heater for the car draws its power from the HV-battery, which is why that still works fine.
But again: it's just a theory.
About the tire pressure: the air inside the tires 'shrinks' due to the cold, therefore tire pressure drops. Below a certain level, the TP warning goes off, but that shouldn't alarm you too much. That's why the message went away after some driving: it creates quite a lot of heat in the tires, making the air inside expand again.
For the rest: thank you very much for risking your own safety so that we can learn from your experiments!
Actually, Model Y is rumored to be the first Tesla that runs on main battery only. The 12V Battery is finally old news. Fewer problems and fewer parts that can brake. Love it.
Have never seen these issues before on normal cars in colder weather for the price of this car I would be very upset
I’ve seen worse on ICE. In -35 my car with manual gearbox I had to use force to operate. Tire issues are normal in those conditions. Steering issues also common.
Below -30 deg Celsius is extreme. Just wonder if you experienced this your self if you think no other car will suffer the same problems. Especially during a night in it you should be very happy if it will start at all.
I had an old and weak battery on my ICE car. Power steering not immediately kicking in when starting the car was usually the first sign that battery was low.
@kasmo paya it'll likely still have a 12v or 24v system for lights etc, they'll just run directly from the DC-DC converter which will run all the time instead. Much simpler but keeps the safety aspect of low voltage.
Hi Bjørn we call this flat spotting we get it in Canada in the deep cold, when the tires warm up they round out.
Northern Michigan here. Same deal. Square tires all the way to work in the mornings. HAHA
Up the tire pressure a bit.
It’s not oxygen you need to worry about - it’s CO2 build-up. You should not use recirculating air when you sleep overnight in the car. Keep bringing fresh air in, and the car’s vents will dump old air overboard.
treborg777 even with the HEPA filter the car has?
@@forcedhaircut Hepa filter doesn't magically create oxygen from Co2
So you are telling me electric cars produce CO? HA funny joke
@@karolakkolo123 No...we're saying that humans inhale air(oxygen+the other 80% of shit in the air) and exhale CO2. Breathe into a shopping bag for a little bit and let me know how that goes for you. I can't tell if you're joking but I guess let this be knowledge for anyone:
The Avg human releases 2.3 pounds a day of CO2..6 hours of sleep and there is half a lb of CO2 recirculating in his car. 2.3lbs is based off normal activity and does not reflect physical exercise or other strenuous activity.. There is a real risk of people shrugging off the symptoms of CO2 poisoning and dying, Especially sleeping in a car as airtight as a Tesla. Symptoms of poising include headache, dizziness, nausea, shortness of breath, weakness and confusion. However, Bjorn did mention that the Tesla does automate the AC, and it brings in fresh air from the outside (not sure the frequency or if air qual. in car is monitored). The problem is also amplified if Bjorn is awake, driving, and not bringing fresh air in his cabin or stepping out for long periods of time.
Quote by Dr Gisli Jenkins, University of Nottingham:
"By the time that the carbon dioxide levels in the air that you breathe reach 15% you’ll effectively die. Assuming the box is about 4 cubic meters it would take about 16 hours or so. But you would actually start to feel ill and probably die a lot sooner than that. Actually it could be down to, sort of, five hours."
@@karolakkolo123 do you think he was holding his breath in there ?
check the Uk news! -1 in uk.. half a cm of snow.. and country ground to standstill with red cross giving out life saving blankets lol
its all because of one reason here.. we drive on summer tyres all yr round. no legal requirement for winter tyres
Here its -15 on average but the siberian wind from russia has arrived in Norway and now it feels like -25 or less and yes we still have to walk to school.
Lots of us Canadians don't change out to winter tires either :P, a good set of all seasons works pretty well for most people. Although our country is armed to the teeth with snow removal equipment so we don't see many total shutdowns.
Weak 😂 it was -42 here a few weeks ago
where in Norway do you live? How cold is it now? Going on a 15 days expedition (camping) in February 19, starting from valnesfjørd@@voideg3659
That‘s how you are supposed to use an IKEA family card? 🤔
Yes
And the cashiers are wondering, why Tesla owners subscribe 4 times to IKEA family! :D
They are not used as IKEA Family cards, they are just used as plastic cards.
the guy in the video is charming because of goofy things like this ... made me laugh a lot
How to scratch your paint 🙈😂
You would be *so* screwed if the car's door locks acted up while you were outside the car...
i'm pretty sure if this would've happened seriously, he would just smash the door-windows to get in
Peter Lund yea and the electronic door handles and rear doors
in caise of door lock get frozen, Bjorn just turns the heater at max power via phone and after few minutes sunny tesla will works fine as always :)
that’s not something only a tesla can have though 😜
It's not Volkswagen so I think he's safe.
Sleeping in this car with isolation feels like you are in a Spaceship with the displays and stuff I like it
The day before your tires was warm and soft and when it is cold outside it happens that tires get a flat. It's not dangerous, it starts to get the shape again. Greetings from Finland
Juhani Perttula I had same problem when I used to live in Winnipeg MB Canada
We could get -48C plus wind shield.
Great video Bjorn! Thanks for going through all of that extreme to test for us!
Another masterpiece video. Thank you bjorn:)
Norway is beautiful. Thanks for sharing. Love the cold weather experience.
I dont even really know what's going on, but it's somehow relaxing (?)
love it lol
Bjørn, the -60 you are reading is the temp of the sky. the hood reflect part of the infrared i think just like most metal does. so it,s like a mirror but for the infra red.
One time there was frost on my car when all thermometers at all levels were reading well above freezing, but on a clear night of course. But no frost anywhere else. I thought evaporative cooling might be a factor. But infrared. ..
Usually, you would get a reading like that on the shiny surface. Not too surpriced. But it looked like it also showed around -60 on the rubber on the wheels as well, which definitely isn't shiny. Might be that the poor IR camera is struggling calibrating itself in the cold weather as well?
Out of range
@@fshjdkfhasdkfhsd frost is funny. In Oregon this winter cars were getting frost only on the horizontal faces. Hood roof. Also it wasn't below freezing. Like space was vacuuming up the heat
Yes emissivity is a problem when sensing thermal. It can be compensated in the settings but you need to know the values of the material being targeted.
Awesome and extreme test Bjørn, tesla needs to hire you because they need this type of testing by someone who has customer connection to the market.
Thank you for all of your informative videos, they’re very helpful with my purchase decision. Stay warm! 👍
Hey Bjorn, welcome to my winter! I love the fact your tires went square - the rubber froze flat ;-)
Real Thai Viking! Keep it up, Bjørn!
I don't know why this was in my feed, or why I watched it all... but amazing video
Bjørn since 3 years ago this have been my yearly pre christmas video for some reason, just love the whole concept sleeping in a warm cozy car in extreme cold temperature 😅❄️
Love your videos. Great to see a really happy Tesla owner enjoying his vehicle so much. I can hardly wait to get one.
22:48 "It looks like something else" made my day :-D
At these temperatures the tires will be rigid and not round, same with shock absorbers also get rigid due to the liquid inside them being so cold. I notice this on my fossil car as well.
Republic3D the tyres will become rigid yes. The model X was sitting stationary for like 7 hours and temperatures around -36C. Where the tyre contacted the ground, it forms a flat spot. That flat spot became “permanent” until the tyre temperature increased making it more pliable.
I'm guessing that's for all-season or summer tires. I've never had this happen to winter tires at sub -40C temperatures.
Edit: It's likely because he was in warm weather the day before and immediately went into cold weather.
Tesla Model X and S has air suspension. Less rigidity then normal suspension in the frigid cold.
@@andrewmancini46 and because he doesn't have winter tires on 😂 Michelin X-Ice xi3 one of the best you can get 👌🏻
@@leekent414 well that depends on if the tires are actually not plyable at this temp. I imagine they are tough but not rock rigid. Rolling tires causes deformation because there is (except on really low profile sport tires) a crushed down portion at the contact area. The tire continuously folding and unfolding around the circumstance. This creates friction in amongst the molecules and heat. There are cool videos where someone puts a gopro inside the wheel and drives.
Awesome test Bjørn! Thanks for doing this.
That is a KILLER sleeping setup!!!!!! That is seriously what I needed when I had to live in my car for work for six months.
Enda en grom film Björn ! :D Dine tester på bilene og filmene har vart en stor del av youtube for meg ! :) Tusen takk for alle fine videos :D
Bjørn, i adore you polar bear. You really do the crazy things in the cold. Interesting since I tried to sleep over night in my Model S in moderate cold temperature 4°C. The battery was at 130 km range. But I under-estimated the energy that was needed to heat the car inside overnight. So I ended up at the 10% battery range point. That switched off the inside heater. It gave me a warning message on the IC, saying that it is now saving battery. That was at 4:30 in the morning. So I decided to start work a little earlier and firstly rolled to the supercharger. Since my experience was only a test. I didn't want to drive home and back in back in icy conditions after working late the night before.
!!! But your adventures of a far, far greater !!!
Great test Bjørn. This is very helpful information for DreamCase also ! We believe it could be awesome to go car camp in the winter, and not only summer time. It could make for a great alternative to renting cabins in ski-slopes.
One of the best videos from Bjorn
Tires are not round any more LOL
Alexandre Andrianov they are like a Square 😂😂😂😂
"-36°C... thats proper cold... Imma camp in the car now" :DD
that humming sound is rather soothing
what an interesting video!
cool guy, bit curious with his behavior but exactly like a goofy friend we all have !
love the random use of cards for everything, spilling water, sleeping in the car.. lovely content!
love youtube for things like this
Tip I learnt, to warm up the car quicker and more evenly use the footwell vents because hot air rises. Reverse is true in the summer, cool quicker with the top vents.
They are also bigger and shorter. The dash vents piping sits in the air chamber behind the dash and the small vents mix the air so quickly it feels cold. The dash air also gets cold passing through the chamber. In the summer the big battle is cooling all the interior plastic and foam. Black dash sitting in direct sunlight. I always have the windows wide open with a/c for a bit till that sweltering radiant heat stops hitting me from all angles.
The little little low tire pressure issue. It's because because of the cold outside. Experienced it self when its really cold. The air shrink when its cold.
Nitrogen is the solution to that 😁 haven't used air in my tires for years now.
Tires loose 1 psi for every 10*f
it looks like something else! .. Priceless!!!
0:14 Sounds like a herd of Reindeer crossing the road or something. Totally awesome video Bjørn. You got big cohones spending the night in the car in those temperatures. Thanks for doing all the R&D so we don't have to ;)
Bjorn need to monitor the CO2 levels during night inside the car. It would make a awesome video.
The car isn't air tight so it doesn't matter.
@@kenshinhimura9387
Just because it isn't air-tight doesn't mean the CO2 levels can't become dangerous.
Someone else said that the Tesla A/C is automated and brings in fresh air from time to time.
Maybe in your 1980 Honda
Good video!
Beyond the wall and winter ❄️ is here. Great video
this guy's excitement about all the small things is so adorable
Vibration could also be caused by the oil in the shock absorbers. Probably a combination of that and the tires being rock hard.
TBasianeyes agree, I'd also suspect frozen moisture in the air suspension system that could cause such troubles
I have a feeling that it has no oil, but rather electric things.
@@samip537 they are air
22:47 “looks like something else” *laughs*
I’m so glad this is in my recommended
Wow! Love this video! Thanks for sheering! Beautiful experience with this X Modèle Greetings from Switzerland :-)
Brilliant! My only concern with electric cars in general is whether they could handle the cold. I think the answer is a resounding YES!
imagine if any time you parked someone stole a quarter of your tank of gas would seem fair ( so you got to refuel it ( plug it)every second youre not using it.... if this was a ice car leaking fuel you would be pissed...but electric ok what would be the strain of the systems if all petrol car needed to be fuel all the time( like when you are not using them)
Not only handle the cold but handle frozen terrain. Tesla is far far superior to other cars on snow and ice. The computer monitors the wheels thousands of times a second and reacts just as quickly. You might think because it was developed in warm sunny SoCal they would overlook things but I assure you that team is smarter than the average bear.
The brakes aren't hot in the Flir One video. Its just because it's a reflective metal surface it gives a false reading :)
+loiphin The brakes were not hot. It was something under the frunk or behind the wheel.
Cool video. My own trip yesterday makes so much more sense. I was driving my Twizy after leaving it for 2 days out in the cold. (only like -15 c tho) The sound from the engine was different, steering was harder and i had a battery temperature warning. Kinda cold to drive without heater or windows :-)
Love your videos, keep them coming!
Oh Bjorn, you can't reflect what doesn't exist :D
You will probably radiate some heat back in to the car though so good shout. Great video
Love your videos man. Get some go pros and stick them to the car. I am worried of you filming while driving on those conditions. Hugs from Mozambique
No worries. It's allowed.
It is auto pilot
Bjorn, can't wait to see you put your Model 3 through the same test!
Wonderful landscape, Bjørn.
Nice, I hoped you would do this.
While you're driving it says -38 C... damn. But it actually got down to -42 C in Norway this winter so it can get very cold indeed. I'd love for Tesla to start to implement some sort of fast battery heating system.
Model Y has it now!
You are a brave man, Björn.
Takk Bjørn! Den videoen er interessant og informativ!
*5:19** Quick Math!*
Probably the -60 you are getting is just the min value of the sensor.. It´s actually the sky reflected in your car which is recognized as -60°C
Very nice experiment. Thanks!
Your excitement with the freezing water reminded me of myself when I first moved to Northern Alberta! Next thing you should try is blowing bubbles. haha!
I'd like to point out to anyone that doesn't live in a cold climate that every issue that Bjørn had due to cold, wold also be there with an ICE car. Even the reduced range.
Flat spots... just drive slowly to get flexibility back into the tyres 👍🏻
From all the videos about electric cars , the only thing i learned that you have to be good mathematician to drive an electric car.
VERY well made video, love it!
Hahaha, first time experiencing the 'square tires' thing. Happens here all the time in the winter! Just drive normally (which means slowly in extreme cold) and the ride smooths out after a while, no big deal. Even winter tires harden up under -25 or so. It's always fun to watch people experience extreme cold for the first time.
Amazing stuff. Would have loved to ride live with you in that kind of cold.
Also very bold to put the car in range mode over night. I know why you did it, because of range the other day. But if it where my car, i wouldn't want the battery to reach the cold temperature where the snow flake appears. Its not good for the battery at all. I know it takes time to cool down the battery but as we saw -36 degrees does the trick pretty fast.
Thank you for doing this to your car. I wouldn't have the balls to do it for sure.
I think cold-temperature effects on the battery are mostly temporary, as opposed to heat damage.
Not sure, it destroyed my Smartphone battery very fast. But i charged it with too cold battery, that can not happen with tesla. I think too that heat is more damaging.
But isn't the battery warranty void if one lets the car sit in -20degrees for about 24h without battery heater on? Or something like that?
User manual says don't let it sit in -30 or lower for 24 hour or more.
Nice, thx for the info. Degrees or Fahrenheit?
*Ikea secretly sponsored this video*
It's a common phenomenon in trucking in winter. I simply didn't exceed 80 kilometers until the tires warmed up and the thumping went away. You won't damage anything if you simply use common sense. I would be using cruise control all the time. Steering assist failure simply means the steering motor was detected using way more current than normal. The power steering is 100 percent electric, no hydraulics whatsoever. As the tires warm up your low tire warnings will go away.
Welcome to the world of extreme cold weather driving. It won't prevent you from getting where you want to go but it will open your eyes.
Cheers!
You can't just go full speed if they're thumpy? Surely it wouldn't damage them? I guess they could wear unevenly.
Gratulerer med trending bro!
Was -41°C on wednesday or tuesday.
Remeber filling diesel in -27°C , better just plugging in and getting warm inside the car. EV's can run the heater without exsost that is a hudge benefitt.
I remember driving in -33ºC with diesel that has a "cloud point" at -31ºC. It was excrusiating, was waiting for the car to stall any minute.
19:09 I think it's electric power steering and not hydraulic.
Yes, it's electric. Autosteering wouldn't/cannot work with a hydraulic servo.
I like your reviews. You seem to be a nice guy and a funny one too ! 👍
Fascinating video! It's good to see how the X handles cold temps. Much better than the model 3, it seems
I just calculated how much range I would "lose" idling and heating in my 86 for 6 hours. Turns out it would be very similar value, about 80km of range! ;
Awesome man, I enjoyed watching your adventure! I just realized we have the same subs count btw 😹🤙
Ayy Edwan
Love watching this in july.
21:02 really GREAT view!
Maybe some F1 style weaving would help to bring tyre temps up faster? You maybe need to get a tent for the car so it doesn’t get so cold at night haha
Ha ha. Yes well F1 technique only works going 70 miles per hour. It's hard to tell they are going that fast on TV but that's what it takes. Probably hard to achieve on winter roads
This guy called his tesla optimus prime
This man has so much love for his car
Wow !! Hey I recently discovered your channel by accident but glad I did, very entertaining, I can see why you have so many followers 👍
Seriously though, this was an awesome video, you could have died man, glad u and the car survived after that extreme test 😎 I sorta new you would be as I've watched a lot more of your road tests before I saw this one, but it was still cool to watch, Good Job Bjorn, I love Optimus Prime (model X ) its my favorite Tesla by far.
Stay Charged m8 😎👍
Great video i would love to see Video mit Car guru
0:25 never mind the animals, watch out for the troll and pig-men x_x
In your opening shot, outside the car, you are wearing a jacket that looks like what i would wear for a spring jacket. Can't believe you aren't wearing a parka and warm hat! You must be one tough Viking!
Best video I’ve seen so far!
It looks like something else 😂😂
Your Flir..it could be -60. Black body radiation might drop it that far. You're parked out in the open..so possible. What a testimony to the robustness of the Tesla. This is valuable info. I suspect when you were first driving things got colder with the wind and all.
Hey Bjorn be careful scratching the frost off the inside of the rear window I've damaged my defrost wires doing that in the past. Besides that another Great video!
Amazing test. You are nuts that could easily have gone very badly wrong for you!
I was actually waiting for what happens when you start driving with those frozen-square tires. They also make a different sound when frozen. Another curious thing which probably won't happen with this Tesla. If you park off the road so that the car is leaning to the other size and then drive back on the road, the car would be visibly tilted, just like if there was a 300kg person sitting on the passinger side. You would also have a very stiff suspension for a couple of minutes until the oil in shock absorbers heats up. Too bad you didn't test the frozen interior and the seats that turn to solid wood. There is one thing I'd like to know, some rubber grommets and seals shrink and become stiff, and if they have the wrong type of lubricant that also freezes and turns to clue, then when the rotating or moving part goes into action it can rip the rubber part in pieces. Have you checked those parts?
The Tesla has air shocks
This is typical winter weather in Saskatchewan Canada. Amazing right?
Ha yea, pretty amazing when you get 12 inches of snow in march :P
Go to northern parts of Norway, like Finnmark and it can be -50-60 C in the winter. We pay people to live there ;-)
That is nuts! Thank you.
Great vid again Bjorn, Tesla did well i was kinda worried it wouldn't set off for you! I've experienced -39c in Eastern Siberia and its just something else, indescribable. But of all the small issues you had the jizz on the bonnet was probably the worst! LOL