6.5 PRC and 270 Winchester
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Good! #FKYT!
Love my .270! It was my grandpa's, he gave it to me when I was 14 years old. He passed in 1986. I got elk every year with it.
I don't understand why I keep watching these types of cartridge videos from Ron Spomer... It's all more of the same when comparing cartridges. Focusing on very small differences between cartridges and elaborating on them. We are totally nerding out on this topic. Hours of my life that I will never get back. Hats off to Ron Spomer for finding a way to keep it interesting. He just articulates things in such an effective way that keeps your interest locked down. I think Captivation is his most valuable talent. Great writer and story teller
I was load testing my 6.5 PRC when the old range officer starting asking about the specs of the cartridge. This dude is in his 80’s and has forgotten more about hard loading than I’ll never know. When I’m done breathlessly describing my new toy, he smiles and says, “That’s has nearly the same case capacity and muzzle velocity as my old 6.5-06 wildcat. But, the action is shorter.” That essentially sums up the 6.5 PRC. Same capability, shorter length.
6.5x284
6.5-06 has been around since 1913 as the 257 Newton, but was SAAMI spec in the 80's by A-Square and called the 6.5-06. That means it's not a wildcat. Unfortunately A-Square went out of business and no other company make ammo for it... yet. LOL I've had a 6.5-06 for years and it shoots great. Your range officer sounds like someone that would be very interesting to sit around and talk to.
@@K-bob_45 The failure for the 6.5-284 was that there were three companies that claimed it. 6.5-284 winchester, 6.5-284 Lapua, 6.5-284 Norma. No company wanted to make ammo because of the slight differences in cartridges and similarities in names. That's the main reason the 6.5 PRC was developed. No rebated rim, and same case capacity.
@@TexanUSMC8089 I’m pretty sure Norma is the only SAAMI loading. The 284 parent was the only cartridge winchester had claim to. I think lapua only started making the brass due to the popularity of the wildcat in F class. But yeah it never really caught on outside of benchrest. I’m not really sure rebated rims are a real problem but I know that’s what hornady’s 6.5 PRC pamphlet said 😂
Your old-timer friend knew the principles of ballistics and when someone does, just looking at a cartridge or knowing the specs will instantly enable you to compare with other similar cartridges and determine what its general characteristics will be. Thus you will quickly spot the marketeering of modern cartridge production.
270 is what I got first Caribou with in 2019 when I was 13 in the Barron lands of the Canadian northwest Territories
If I ever wanted a 6.5/.264 cartridge, it would be a 264 Win Mag. Nothing new under the sun 🌞
Ones again thank you for the great information 270 win fan here , enjoy the great Channel
Empire of the Summer Moon is a great book!
Love the .270 I also like the .260 what a great caliber and it's been around a long time. How soon everyone forgets.
270 Winchester--DONE
Darn you Ron! So much for me wanting to buy a new caliber I’ll just stick with the 270! Love your channel. I do really enjoy my 6 creed for deer and coyotes though.
One thing to remember, before anyone took the 3006 case and necked it down to 277 and made the 270 winchester, Newton necked the 30-06 down to 6.5/264 cal in 1913. He named it the 257 Newton because back then they measured the bore and not the grooves. It was later saami spec by A-Square and called the 6.5-06 A-Square. I think Newton saw the 6.5x55 Swede and how good it was and Americanized it by using the 3006 case.
Have both and love both.
I love learning about all the different cartridges even if I will never use or even see one shot in person.
6.8 Western came along to give the 270 new life. I guess we'll see.
I'd love to see a video on the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser cartridge. Underrated and over looked way to much here in North America.
This... I'd like to see a the 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 Sweed comparison. I have a hunch somebody's reinventing the wheel...
@@vikingsoftpaw The problem with the 6.5x55 Swede is it was designed for a mid length receiver in a mauser action. In the USA we mostly use short, standard/long, and magnum. The 6.5x55 case doesn't fit well into any US rifles. I think the 6.5x55 came out in 1895, and in 1913 Newton made an American version by necking down the 30-06 case. It was called the 257 Newton and later changed to 6.5-06. For some reason not that many people bought one. I have one and know a few others that do.
And the 6.5x57
@@vikingsoftpaw - yes and yes, but with a twist. Similarities abound, except when you look at factory ammunition on the 6.5x55 Swede is designed for a slower barrel twist rate. The 6.5 PRC ammunition is designed for a faster 1:8 barrel twist to stabilize the longer bullets with high BC. That's the primary difference even with the 6.5 PRC vs 270 Winchester. Since most people don't reload, they simply buy factory ammunition for their rifles, modern bullet geometry needs to match modern barrels.
It's kind of like the .38 vs .357 case length. You can achieve .357 velocity out of a .38 with modern powder, but you will likely destroy an older weaker metallurgy .38 special revolver. So the .38 factory ammunition is loaded weak to be usable in the older revolvers without creating dangerous issues. Those manufacturers reserve the modern powders for the .357 where you can't accidentally load into your old .38 spl.
@@kjoebek what is that?? Never heard of it! I did buy a 6.5×55 Mauser rifle and totally Believe in it! She helped the Finnish in WW II. Swedish Precision. Can't Beat It
Really enjoyed the video Ron. Seems we're always trying to build a better mousetrap, but when it comes to the 6.5 PRC/270 Win, I'm still firmly in Jack O'Connor's camp. The 270, in my opinion, remains one of the most versatile hunting calibers for North American big game. If you're into ringing steel, well, you can do that too with modern powders and bullet selections for the 270.
Right you are, Hal. Too many shooters seem to be of the opinion that a cartridge design nearly 100 years old can't compete with more modern designs. Guys, its just a powder reservoir. Certainly it limits powder quantity, but the old cases can burn the same powders as the new and push the same bullets (withing twist limits.) Another myth is that you need a tricked out PRS "long range" platform rifle to hit anything beyond 500 yards. I've smacked plenty of plates from 600 to 1,000 with ordinary hunting rifle and scopes. I'm not going to win any competitions, but I have fun and learn/improve as I go.
Jack O'Connor, 270 Win., 4x scope, and a 700 hard kill on a deer. He was the man.
I keep seeing a group of shooters thego for the "next big thing". I just wonder if your out in BFE and you need ammo, are you going to find 6.5 PRC? Creedmore maybe, but you most likely find 270, 308 or 30-06. If you have something that works, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
Yep 270 is close to the kwan,the 280,160gr bullitt @3000fps=the holy grail
I hunt in upstate New York. I use a Remington 7600 .270 win. I love the .270. My next high dollar rifle will be in 6.8 western. Great video
Thanks Dillon. Good luck up there.
The 270, in my opinion, is the best round for hunting bigger game in North America. Excellent ballistics, great selection of ammo, easy to find and will take down anything it hits. Yes, there are better rounds in each, individual category, but in combination, you can't beat it.
It’s the 270 for me as I already have one.
Thanks Ron
Outstanding video Ron!!! Hi Covey 👋🤩
Thank you Ron
Great video. I love my old 270 win and have a 6.5 PRC I am going to try. I was so excited about the video, I was watching on an afternoon hunt over the corner of a Tennessee soybean field along the Elk river. I was using Bluetooth and game ears. I glanced up and noticed a whitetail buck watching as well. Took him with approximately 75 yard shot with a 12 gauge slug. I would prefer my 270 but this hunt regulations require slings and it worked.
In an era of scarce factory ammo, the .270 Win is usually more common on the shelves than the exotic 6.5s!!
That’s what does it for me.
Great video, Covey. Ron you were ok too!
Thanks 👍
Thanks Ron, just ordered the book.
Love your work Ron. I enjoy your take and experience, Keep up the outstanding work in educating and sharing your personal experience and knowledge.
Great video. I agree with your recommendation of Empire of the Summer Moon. The Comanche struck me as being, if you will, US Army Rangers on horseback. As you said, they were the ultimate horsemen of the plains. Great read!
Ron you are a pleasure to listen to
That is a great book, i had no idea the comanchees were so powerful ! I really appreciate the book recommendations.
Still hanging on to my M77 270
Thank you
I own rifles in both of these calibers and love them both. The deer I’ve taken with them never knew the difference
Great video Ron. I’m a huge 270win fan
Most standard calibers in the .303British, to the .30-06 and the 6,5 Carcano, 6,5 Arisaka, 6,5 Swedish/Norwegian will do the same job. 6,5x55 have taken everything from polar bears and seals to moose and everything smaller. Today, even smaller bore is used, as the .243 is a most common caliber for deer in North America. For the average hunter it is more about availability of ammunition and cost than anything else. Good ammunition that don`t bruise half of the animal comes second. All of the mentioned is very capable on deer sized animals. For a sudden stop of a larger animal, there are the .358 Weatherbys, Rigbys, Lotts and magnums. The spectrum of calibers available is immense. With new bullet tech today, the lethality is the same, but the bruising is about none. You put out some of the best videos out there Ron. Please keep them coming!
Great Show
Good info, you always get people thinking. Thanks Ron.
We watch all your videos ,why they r ones to fallow ,this family we love u mr Spomer
Thanks for the support, Guy.
Great call-out on Empire of the Summer Moon. Fantastic book for all the reasons you mentioned and others. Very thought-provoking in terms of the relationship between the white settlers and the tribes. Very interesting in terms of the impact of the Texas Rangers and the revolving pistol.
Go ahead. Bring in all the "up and coming" cartridges! Let the shooters/hunters make the finial call. To that end, the .270 win will rise to all of these challengers. When all the written words and shooters make their finial determinations the .270 will continue to go on well after this dust up gets settled. Nice review/observations on this subject Ron.
55 Chevy's are still driving around town too. That doesn't mean they're better, more aerodynamic, or faster. 270 Win is a good cartridge...it doesn't beat the 6.5-06 or 6.5 PRC in any category though.
Thanks Edysin.
@@TexanUSMC8089 10 years from now, no one will be talking about those 2 calibers either.
@@edysinsimon8646No doubt 😂
Great book recommendation. Empire of the Summer Moon is the best book on the Indian Wars I’ve ever read and it pulls no punches for either side.
Yes, it is great. The crazy thing is that the statue of the Texas Rangers was taken down because they went after Indians, not PC nowadays. However, the truth is that they went after Comanches, which wreaked havoc with both other Indians and everyone else.
Great review Ron!!
Honest an full of outdoorsman wisdom!
Loading 150gr sierra or nosler partion with reloader 26 will get you about 3050 fps so they are about same, cost goes to 270 still one of the best
I have heard the same. .270 winchester is still doing wonders for all things hunting.
I love my 6.5PRC. Shoots great, I just zeroed it yesterday and I’ll be deer hunting with it soon!
And with handloads over 3000fps is easily attainable with a 140-147gr bullet.
What real-world velocities are achievable with 120--130 grain bullets?
@@malachiwhite356 3200 on the 120 and 3100 on the 130
@@shootingatshadow Okay, thanks.
Awesome video , better book!!!
I really like your videos Ron. I'm a .270 guy, but lately I've had an interest in the 6.8 Western. Maybe you could do a video on that.🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
He has
@@SurmaSampo
Thank You. I'll look for it!
Lot of cartridges out there. I think one would only need 4 of them to hunt everything from squirrels to buffalo
4? More like 2. I don't know what it is with Fudds and their cartridge wars. Any modern rifle cartridge is capable of killing a deer. Not like they can take advantage of the external ballistics when they never shoot past 100 yards anyways.
You make quality content, Ron. Cheers
Thanks Brad.
cant get over the barrel life
Be honest, have you ever shot out a barrel?
Love your content! Great book recommendation too!
Ron's videos are always well presented with common sense and easy to understand information. The .270 is a multi use caliber from prairie dogs to elk ammo.
Love your channel Ron!! 👍👍👍
Thanks Ron
Agree that is a Great book
Support from Arkansas
Sticking with my old 270. ❤
Empire of the Summer Moon! Cool to see some literature on this channel. Great stuff, mister.
Just took a nice buck this weekend with my .270!
Don’t forget the 180 grain woodligh for 270 that will stabilize in most 1-10s. Great video 270 still going
Feed the Woodleigh 180gr 270 info into the Berger stability calculator and see what you get. SG of 1.44 and marginal stability. Recommends a slightly tighter twist at 9.75.
@@csjrogerson2377 - every gun shoots differently. Only way to see if your gun likes it is to try it. It may surprise you.
Love your channel. Ty!
As always, great perspective & presentation. Thank you so much. Appreciate your wisdom & approach.
You are so welcome
Great work Ron as per usual 👍
Thanks Nobby.
I'm out in the Southern Part of Africa. Most popular rifles at our rifle club are 308, 300wm,, 30-06 and 243. Most guys use 243 and 6.5 creedmore for competitive shooting. Have not seen any other 6.5 varients here yet. Also never seen a 7mm 08 yet, which is the only other calibre I want. My wife and I have rifles in the following calibers 7mmrm, .243 .375, 30-06, .223 and ,303 British (heirloom). My go to rifle is the 7mmrm for everything, which unfortunately means where possible head and neck shots when hunting smaller game like impala and springbok (due to meat damage). Maybe the 6.5 "magnum" is my answer, but want to look into the 7mm 08, unfortunately a decision to acquire either will be challenged by poor ammo availability. I'll wait to see if either gains traction in popularity over the next year or so.
Cracking video very interesting thanks Ron...
Glad you enjoyed it
Great book Ron! And great content in your videos as always
Glad you like them!
Ron looks like the hunter from the fox and the hound movie, quite fitting actually. lol
Great video Sir!
Thank you kindly!
Thanks!
Love you videos. Going with .280 AI for my hunting needs past what a 7mm-08 will do. And yes I’ve got .30-06 and .270 rifles
The 280 AI is a fantastic cartridge. Wish they would chamber it in more rifles and produce more and lower cost ammo for it. If they had put out the AI in the first place, the 280 Remington would never have existed (sort of a which came first, the chicken or the egg scenario). The 280 AI is what the 280 Remington should have been in the first place. Just my opinion. But the 30-06 and 270 are just two established standards that are available, reasonably priced, and been getting it done with aplomb for many decades.
Really like these videos Ron. Here in Ireland the Creedmore has also taken off. Mostly for long range target shooting. 270 Win still very popular for hunting, as is the 308 Win, 30-06 and 300 Win mag. Don’t know why the 300 mag is popular. We have Sika, Fallow and Red Deer, the latter being a three quarter size Wapiti ( Elk in ‘merica). Oh! The PRC is so far making no progress.
The Irish seem quite wise.
Unfortunately new cartridges are probably slower to catch on in Europe because of government restrictions on owning guns. I live in a town of about 25,000 in Texas and we have 7 or 8 stores that sell guns. We can walk in and buy one and walk out with our new rifle in 30 minutes.
@@TexanUSMC8089 ya gotta love Texas!! If I could handle the humidity, I’d be there👍🏼
You guys own guns? Good to know! I guess the “old world” is not that bad for gun nuts ! Would love to visit your country and have a good stout !! Cheers 🍻 !!
@@malachiwhite356 I would imagine in some countries where you are limited to how many/what kind of guns you can own, the few allowed would be more consolidated popularity-wise. So, I assume less factory ammo options available.
I agree with your comparisons!
I’m from Texas and I’m not sure I’m ready to change my .270 WSM gor a 6.5 prc any time soon since the Prc are so hard to find on the shelves but always so confident on my .270 WSM to get the job done .
I studied the Comanche in College at athe University of Oklahoma. I was lucky enough to have access to countless primary sources in the Western Heritage Collection. They were definitely an interesting people.
Boomer Sooner! 😎🤙🏾🙌🏾
How about .264 win mag vs 6.5 prc and creedmoor
I wanted to thank you because you saved me a bunch of money. All the rage seems to be 6.5mm cartridges; creedmore, PRC, etc. After watching your videos on the comparisons I realized that the .270 Win sitting in the closet was equal to and in some cases better than the new whiz bang calibers. So I dropped my plan to buy a 6.5 and dusted off my .270. I'm old and old school; don't fix it if it ain't broke and don't spend money for what you've basically already got. So thank you and keep up the great work. Love your analysis, it helps an old fogey like me to decide whether the next SS check goes to food or a new firearm.
If you hunt but don't do long range target shooting, then the traditional hunting cartridges are all you need. Thanks for sharing.
What is a traditional cartridge? The 6.5x55 has 40 years on the 270, so which one is "traditional" The 270 has 80 years on the 6.5 creedmoor...You see where I'm going with this?
@@Halcyon1861 Good point. We've probably had all the cartridges we need for hunting since the 1960's. Most everything since then is marketing or boredom. We are just splitting hairs now. Long-range target shooting is another story due to high BCs and twist rates. Just my opinion.
Thanks Ron for the recommendation of the book- I'm going to buy it for myself and for some of the men I disciple that are in jail with lots of time on their hands.....Kurt
Great book 👍
I love my .270 WSM. Win model 70.
Remington made a 6.5 Remington magnum years ago nobody talks about it anymore
Remington mucked it up by offering it in a bolt-action carbine with a ventilated rib.
great review
270 has always been my caliber, but I'm definitely shooting my 6.5 prc now.
I was waiting for you to get around to the ballistic coefficient difference🤔😁
.591 270 vs. .630 for the PRC, as I recall. Sorry, but I'm in deer camp and didn't get to preview this vid before it went out. The B.C.s and trajectory data will be in the full-length version of this on RSOTV.com soon.
I wanted comparison bad! Thanx!
Glad I could help!
I’m sure the 6.5 PRC is a great load. Availability and price one day may make this cartridge a lot of good rifles get rebored or become expensive boat paddles 😃
The 270 is a great round. Lots of ammo available and easy to reload. Keep up the great videos. 👍🏻😃
Exactly !!! I was wanting a nice long range gun and was looking at the bergara HMR and almost bought the 6.5 prc but was put off by ammo price.... I’m surely glad I didn’t with the price of ammo now 😂
That’s my concern with the 6.5 prc long term, tough to find ammo.
Right on
Keeping my Model 70 in 270 Winchester.
The 270 has seen it all….still around and still going strong! Boys and their toys….
Love my 270, 30-06, 30-30 with Leverevolution…❤️
Having trouble find leverevolution in Michigan
@@travissmith-wz5nc I ordered from Sportsman Guide over the years…stocked up
@@tonydoe877 ya not there now. Lol. And gun brokers. Com is just price gouging
@@travissmith-wz5nc sorry to here that!
I am still playing the .260 Remington card!
As always- enjoyed your video- I'm a nostalgic fellow and yes I usually migrate to the old faithful calibers- but of course that's personal preference and I'm positive that the new calibers coming out do theirs as intended
Glad you enjoyed it
Just finished Empire of the Summer Moon. Life on the Plains was so brutal. Crazy that those tribes had no word for surrender. Death was expected if they didn't win the fight. Started reading Lonesome Dove after that. 1/2 through.
The .270 is tough to beat. I can find ammo for it all over America, and it’ll perform well enough on any game found here.
That being said, the 6.5 PRC is an interesting concept, but I don’t think I’ll get on board with it right away..
Hey Ron, I'm not sure if you have done anything on the 300PRC but, if not that would be one I'd like to see something on from you. Comparison to other cartridges and maybe some reloading.
Excellent video as always. There is a twist though. How to find the non toxic ammo for it?
I think I would lean toward the 6.5 Swede if I was going to go that way, but I love my .270. Where I live in TN, shots over 200 yds are few and far between, most are less than 100 yards so 150 grain .270 is the tonic! Thanks for the video Ron, gonna pick that book up for sure.
Great review Ron, you talk common sense instead of hype ! Am requesting you to do a review and comparison of the 270 WBY with some new and old cartridges. A lot of new and young shooters do not know how powerful the WBY is ( 130 gr at 3400 FPS ) but you already know this ! Also the 6.5 short Mag wild cat would make an interesting episode I feel. Thanks for your precise , informative and educational videos !
Love me some Covey.
I'm a big fan of all the -06 calibers
270 win 👍🏽🦌 caliber every one I know has One at one time or another.
Hey Ron. You should make videos about specific bullets and cartridges for specific animals or regions. If you were to just hunt mule deer what bullet and cartridge would be ideal in your opinion? Or if you were to only hunt in Alaska what bullet and cartridge would be ideal? Apply it to antelope, moose, Montana or whatever other game and animal you can think of. Love your stuff Ron!