270 Win. vs 6.8 Western & 6.5 PRC
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In this video, I do an in-depth review of the 270 Win. vs 6.8 Western & 6.5 PRC. So how does the 6.8 Western rank against these other two short-fat rounds? Watch this video to find out.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
sober words haha, people always argue which cartridge is best. We just got to get good with the one we like and have realistic expectations
Good summary. I have a book from the 1980s about hunting rifles and cartridges. There is a whole chapter on the "caliber explosion" in part fueled by wildcatting. Many a good cartridge was developed. Find one that works and learn how to use it.
Example: For me I have a 30-06 autoloader and not much cash to throw at a new rifle. So, I'll figure out what works best. The absolute longest whitetail shot I'll ever see is 300 yards. More typical will be 50 to 150 yards. Work the numbers, go to the range, figure out what works, then deploy hunting.
@@phprofYT well said. I have the same situation
True so very true i used a 220 swift for 5 years on alot of game at fair distance with right bullet they are fantastic deer and under and hog destroyer
Hear that man 👍,I shoot the 308 and in Tennessee and it's fine,got a few others,but that Western does tickle my fancy lol, but need it no not really brother, about every 5 years I buy a new one so maybe then got a few more to go lol, Have a wonderful day ❤️👍🙏
270 win’s fan base is huge, it will be awhile before it falls through the cracks.
Pass it on to the youngsters and the 270 will live forever.
Yup borrow pop's model 70 in .270 win. and you are set.
I'm 23. Have my grandpa's old Rugger .270win M77 (from mid 80's) Does Everything and more in Texas.
Fan base is huge, but we aren't shouting from the roof top about how "superior" we are....
@@ironbomb6753 my dad had a old remington 270 and my first was a .308 but my "new" one is a older wood A-bolt(the one before the X-bolt was around) in .270 and i absolutely love it.
Thanks for the facts and analysis Ron, you're a pro and always lay it all out right. My old Savage 110 .270 Win still has nothing to worry about after all these many years, no matter the newest beauty they dangle in front of my eyes.
theyre not trying to beat out the 270 here. they are giving the 6.5 prc and even the 7 mag a run for there money
@@joshlower1 The problem is that the 6.8 Western doesn't have the massive bullet variety that 6.5 cartridges have. Something like the 6.5 PRC has three dozen different bullets between 130gr and 156gr to choose from, and Ron's velocity numbers for that 156 EOL were extremely conservative due to using US 869 (50 BMG powder). Unlike the 6.8 Western, there a several more manufacturers chambering for 6.5 PRC. That's the biggest issue with 6.8 Western.... there are only two rifle manufacturers selling 6.8 Western rifles. I can walk into any gun store and buy 6.8 Western ammo... but I can't necessarily assume they'll have a 6.8 Western rifle I would want to buy. If you have a 270, there isn't much reason to abandon it. Aside from 270 having a geometry that's worse for brass life, there isn't much to complain about. If you don't mind trimming brass more often, who cares. Shoot what you like.
It's hard to kill anything deader ( if that's a word which I don't think it is ) than a 270 Winchester will kill them unless someone is hunting dangerous game 270 Winchester all day long is my choice
If u think about it bullet drop is something every caliber has , but the energy retention and wind movement is where u benefit , but if u learn your rifle good and practice enough your gonna be good enough with any of those calibers . Im a 30-06 guy but my 7mm rem mag has been such a flat shooter that its worth noting . My next ridle is a 6.5 prc !!! Love this guys videos and his turthfullness and unbiased thinking .
Pretty honest review, gotta give Mr. Spomer some credit hear.
Here.
@@stephen9841 no, heer🌚
.270 win is my all time favorite hunting cartridge! It has just the right balance of power, trajectory, and manageable recoil. I won't trade mine in for anything!
If you are concerned about recoil you should stay away from firearms
@@WalterRitchey 308
Ron, you like to tread where others won’t and I appreciate that. 👍
Thanks for the nice video Mr Spomer. I still feel at this point in time the .270 will be easier to find on shelves and cost less, and also still has excellent ballistics.
Last week I stopped in the sports store. Nothing left but .300 Win Mag, for like $65/box. Good thing I have 16 left in my 270 box.
16 more deer in the fteezer.
@@thanos9846
Yes, shortages in all calibers in Indiana here, however last time I was at the sporting goods store they did have a box of .270 Win for approx $20. All else was pretty much wiped out except shotgun ammo.
New types of bullets like the Hornady GMX have kept the 270 in the front. The only advantage for a lot of competitors is fitting a short action
Thank you Ron. The new, exotic cartridges bring a lot of glitz but for me, my trusty 270 Win is sufficient for my needs. I grew up on this fine cartridge and the rifles that fire them.
If anyone ever entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, Ron is on the take from Browning/Winchester to promote the 6.8 Western. Well, you can forget about that... ;-)
I've had my Father's Browning BAR 1969, that I got when my Father passed away in 2015. In .270. I just love it... When I pass on, I'd like to give it to my Daughter, but she doesn't hunt, so I guess I'll have to pass it on to one of my closest friends. The .270 is just so cherished! Semper Fidelis
Was looking into the 6.8 Western due to hype. So glad for this video. My .270win was definitely the right choice. Easier to find, cheaper to shoot, and my Browning will stack 3 into a dime at 100 yards. Seems that the ole .270win will remain King of the West, despite it's grandchildren
It's still the step child of the good old 06, the true king
dude the 6.8 western is no more expensive to shoot then the .270. its also in no way meant to replace the 270.
@@joshlower1 shorter wider cases with 30degree shoulder seems to burn powder more efficiently too, and in less barrel. So a handier rifle ends up being able to do more, and you can use bullets with more ohive without single feeding and no need for custom barrels.
Ron I am always impressed with the way you aren t biased and show favorites or dislike a particular cartridge and let everyone know. You do a review and call everything like it is, letting each viewer decide which round is right for their wants and needs.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expirience.
Thanks Sam.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors quick question for ya Ron. How is the BC on the 280 bullet so much better than 6.8 for the same weight?
Ron I think your break down on cartridges is one of, if not the, best in the business. True blue through n through. Ron isn't on the take!😁👍
Nice work!
Keep'em coming!
I just want to truly thank you for not doing political commentary and changing your path like every other outdoors/firearm channel is doing.
Yes
This
Amen!
If nobody talks about the political issues, there won’t be any firearms channels in the future.
@@bodiewest9202 I knew there had to be one. I'm sorry but thats simply false.
Bought my latest .270 brand new 7 years ago, didnt bother going with the newer WSM since the bolt I bought was much cheaper due to all the frenzy over the WSM versions. I hunt whitetail and bear, might do an elk hunt some day but I feel confident with the .270 in its original form.
Thanks for the video! I will keep my .270 WSM (and it is a tack driver, with my handloads, using Nosler 140 AB... Shoots 1/2 to 3/4 MOA, even without working for more accuracy...)
Love these videos! However I will stick with my good old 270 Winchester. Up to 338 yards it has never failed me on a hunt. Not once.
That's it , I don't waste time figuring out range dope when the game is down that's dope enough for me. Lol
"That BC is pretty weak" .474 was a high BC when I started shooting. Everyone says the golden age of shooting was in the 50s but I think the application of fast twist barrels and high BC bullets is equally important.
I love this. I watch it often. Can you do one on all the WSM family vs 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, and 338 Win Mag? I think it would be epic.
Your honest and detailed evaluation is much appreciated
Just get a 30-06 and be done with it. If the recoil is to much, just load it with a 150 grain bullit or even lighter ones and if you need to take down a Polarbear then load it with a 220 grain Hornady round nose or maybe even the 250 grain ones
Best advice.
6.5 PRC, .270, 6.8 western, 6.5 Creedmoor, here I am shooting a 6.5x55 Swedish. Man I need to get with the times.
125 years ago they had heavy bullets and fast twist barrels figured out but now it's all new again?
Nah!...... ol swede does just fine!
No you don't. I still hunt with the 6.5x55 and it does everything the Creedmoor can and slightly more in a modern action. Still as good as it ever was.
@@lukethibodaux790 yep, i still use the ones that i have,(tikka,custom 1903 turk) it is only the krag Jorgensen that you need to be really carefull of.With the right bullets it kill anything that grows hair.
Dont get rid of that sweet 6,5x55. It is STIIL one of the best one out there. If you reload then try the Hornady 160 grain round nose for long range hunting.
These new rounds have certainly solved the problems that the 270 Winchester has had since 1925!
Wait a minute... The 270 Winchester has been perfect since 1925, no problems to solve!
I think all the ol' timers are chuckling as they open their next box of 270 Winchester, still the reigning king!
It's not about solving a problem, it's about improving what you have. Just like your TV went from black and white to colors, to plasma, to LED, to HD, to 4K. Stick to your 270 if you want to, but dont say we need stop evolving and improving what we have.
@all_ontario_hunter Well, there's nothing wrong with Kentucky Windage if you know the trajectory of your round. And, yes, I've been using the same caliber for years; if it ain't broke... As far as being on the same box of ammo, my wallet wishes that was the case but I spend a fair amount of time on the range.
After the last year of Covid-19 panic buying from the newbies and the folks who weren't prepared, I'll be glad when we can find ammo at all the stores. I still shoot my EDC every trip to the range but have had to slow down from 200rds to 50rds over the last year, 45ACP is crazy overpriced on GB and the other sites. I've still got enough but I've had to slow down on my fun time!
Hopefully, you're able to find your calibers around your area, it's still bleak around here.
Take care and be well.
Theres the problem of the slow rate of twist that handicaps the standard 270win for long range applications, which new cartridges have improved upon for the long sleek bullets that provide more efficient energy retention downrange.
Sure the 270win is good, but not perfect. It has been improved upon.
@@NorthRiverGuide The general vibe I've noticed in all these responses is that the 270Win needs improvement in order to be a better LR round for hunting. Over the last 40+ years I've taken deer at 300-400yds with various 270's and the deer were down with the first shot. But I've also improved as a hunter though and no longer need the round to reach out that far.
Decreasing the your distance to the deer is a desirable improvement of your skills. Rather than buying new rifles with the latest uber-cool chambering every other year, take up bow hunting and you'll develop as a hunter instead of just spending a wad of cash. If a bow seems too much, get your grandfather's ol' 30-30 out and use it next season.
If all else fails, buy a 50BMG for your whitetail hunts, that should take care of your distance problems, LOL!
@@paulsimmons5726, it doesn’t matter if it’s for 100yds or 500yds, a 175gr .277 bullet will take larger game better than a 150gr .277 bullet
Thank you! It’s very refreshing to hear somebody who knows what he’s talking about. Talk about an aspect of firearms that really is important for the very useful purpose of taking game instead of listening to a pseudo-expert who’s talking about aspects of a firearm for killing people.
Thanks for your always great discussions. The old .270 has been my calibre of choice since my first rifle, a Sako, I bought in 1963. This just confirms how right I was as a 17 year old in my selection. Cheers.
Thank you, Sam. Glad you enjoyed.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors which one truly has the most power between the 6.8 western and 7mm rem mag ? Is there enough difference to matter ? I’m about to buy a new elk and deer cartridge and I’m confused and undecided on which cartridge I should get between the 6.8 western and 7mm rem mag. Your opinion would be highly appreciated. Winchester and browning claims the 6.8 western outperforms the 7mm rem mag but I think they may have cherry picked the bullets they used. Again thanks in advance for your advice on this.
You are helping to better understand hunting equipment. I am grateful sir for your efforts.
Thanks for an objective review. It appears to me that if the 270 WSM had a 1 in 8 twist as the 6.8 Western, the 270 WSM would have a definite edge over the 6.8Western, and rebarrelling the existing 270WSM with a faster twist would be a cheaper alternative than buying 6.8 Western rifle.
Shooters want a faster twist rifles. It's too bad Remington didn't adopt faster twist in the 22-250, 6mm, and 6.5mm rifles, and may have avoided bankruptcy.
I just ran the ballistics on 7mm SAUM with 195gr Berger EOL.
250yds 2860ft-lbs
500yds 2366ft-lbs
Brutal. My buddy has built several shooting that bullet, and it's simply a hammer on steel.
@@LRRPFco52 I hope the recoil doesn't hammer your shoulder too much. Happy, safe shooting and good health.
@@tyronekim3506 Recoil from a 7mm? It's not bad. Feels like a somewhat-stout .308 Win. I mostly shoot lighter-recoiling cartridges though. I've not been recoil sensitive, grew up shooting a lot of .270 Winchester since age 8 from a M70 Featherweight. Shot a lot of M118 in the Army from M24s. Did a lot of .338LM shooting in the US and Finland from 2005-forward.
I normally shoot 6.5 Grendel, which is almost recoilless in comparison.
That's not necessarily true. I use to use a 7wsm in benchrest before switching to the 7saum that holds 8gr less powder than the 7wsm. And the 7wsm even holds 1.5gr more than the 270wsm and 300wsm as it has a bigger body and shorter neck so mishaps wouldn't happen if u tried to throw the 7wsm in one of the other two wsm chambered rifles. My 7saum is faster and makes it to 1000yds with 1.5moa less adjustment than it did as a 7wsm. That's 15" it's about efficiency and the saum case is more efficient over the wsm case. Also I barrel when it was 7wsm would go past 600shots because of the short neck and larger charge that just made more heat and not speed. My saum barrels however go to 1100 to 1200 shots every time.
@@user-un5my5bw4j I don't quite follow you. I talking about the twist rates in a barrel of same calibers such that the faster twist barrels will be able to stabilize longer bullets while the slower twist barrels will not stabilize the same longer bullets.
Be safe and in good health
This is the best explanation I have ever seen for barrel burnout. Thanks for educating us all.
As a kid in deer camp the argument always was between 3006 and 270 , all the old timers liked the 160 to 180 grain bullets for crushing bone but they loved the accuracy and ballistics of the 270 . So this may be our perfect cross of the 2 rounds
I am NOW getting a .270 BLR Browning side gate! Thank you Ron for math! 👍 this WAS the final review I needed to confirm my purchase! 👏👍🤗 🙏
Need to see a comparison between the 27 Nosler and the 6.8
Ron, thanks for sharing all of this content. I came across your channel a few months ago. I’ve been binge watching all week. Really great stuff, much appreciated!
Ron, we needed a physics teacher that taught like you do when I was in college 42 years ago!
I needed one too!
LOL
Ron you summed up the nub of the issue in the first minute. And the answer is that the new cartridges dont do anything new. The trend towards short actions allows manufactures the opportunity to produce newer cartridges and marketing does the rest. Its a natural progression coz the short action will demand a magnum case, and long heavy bullets will gain BC and SD and demand tighter twists. Personally I only shoot 556, 762 Nato and 30-06 ( I can borrow a 270 if needed) and find no appreciable differences that favour short actions. If anyone has a rifle of this class already, there is no need to get another. For a first buy, its a good choice, except where the owner sends lots of rounds down range coz the rounds are more expensive and you'll need new barrels. In a busy year I'd use 2000 x 556 and 1-2000 x 762 Nato.
I seriously doubt any cartridge is gonna bump .270 out of place. It’s been around that long for a reason
I mean ... There's room, but nothing worth all the hype yet
Going to get my old 270 Winchester rebarreled in an 8 twist 270 Ackley Improved. I hand load anyhow and in a pinch it will shoot standard 270.
I can do that to fire form the brass or neck down 280 AI brass.
I want 1000 pounds of energy at 1000 yards.
26-28 inch bartel.
@@supertruckertom What bullet would you use for that rate of twist?
The 270 has no equal if all of it s great traits are considered. Mr Jack knew that years ago. I only target shoot and I found the Creedmoor and I get along just fine but if I had a hunt planned to get a Dall ram to put on my living room wall and had to cash in my retirment to pay the guide, then climb almost as high as Everest to get one chance at a full curl, I assure you something like a Model 70 in 270 or 270 WSM would be my choice. I bet Mr Jack would have liked the 270 Short Mag. I like all of the calibers. There isn t a bad cartridge. Hmm 270 Creedmore. Ya think?????.
And that is the story of the 308 vs 30-06. Offers some desirable differences and split the market but never replace.
A little over a year ago I got involved with my high school age nephew to help him select a deer rifle. He was looking at the 6.5 Creedmoor. I am 86. so my thoughts go back many years. I am more of a shooter than a hunter so my perspective may differ. Long story short, he did his research in Iowa and I did mine from here in Thailand using posts like yours and others. We also used reloading information from a couple of difference sources. In the end I was convinced the 270 had more to offer overall for his hunting local but I left the final decision to what he learned doing the research we shared. He chose the 270 Win for its ability and versatility. I bought him a Tikka and he shot a buck the day after it was delivered. Next project was for a caliber to use on heavier game yet be versatile and again, he made the choice of the 30--06. I bought him a used post 64 Model 70 Win and again versatility, ammo availability were factors, The last project was dedicated to a varmint rifle where I admit I pushed for the 22=250 and a used Remington 700. Could we have made better choices? I am sure many who read this will have comments but in the long run he/we chose 3 of the oldest calibers on the market that will do everything the newer hyped calibers will do. I guess my point is that all the new calibers in the last 100 years basically mimic the older ones and many were/are simply hype or as Jeff Cooper suggested, a solution to a problem that did not exist.
Great information Ron! Really appreciate the time and thought you put into these comparisons. Thanks!
Educational for me, I love this stuff but the depth of my knowledge is only so deep on some aspects of this sport. I here things here and there but what is the depths of the truth. I thank you for the acurate info, facts, backed by real data Ron. My son and I talk about and share about this subject all the time. 😀
I’ve taken whitetail, hogs, and numerous exotic species with my .270 Win, easily my favorite caliber.
.270 and .308 are my favorites.
.270 with a scope for deer on the prairie and .308 with iron sights for deer in the woods. It's all you need.
I have no idea how many rounds of .308/7.62x51 I have sent downrange. That round is un onscioubly spot on comparable as a first choice.
Thanks Ron! You are by far one of the best out there, when it comes to practical explanations and comparisons!
I'll stick with the good old .270
Yes, the .270 winchester is still the best one and very easy to get hold of, even here in Europe.
Especially when online ammo dealers are price gouging new cartridges like 6.5 PRC . $150+ for 20 rounds these days. Disgusting.
@@felgercarb3803 same here in Australia.
Tried and proven.
I would stick to the good old 270
I like unbiased videos like this. Keep them coming Ron.
I'll stick with the 270 WIN: based on a commonly available 30-06 case you can always neck down brass if availability becomes an issue rather than depending on an obscure case that's kinda here today, and likely gone tomorrow; while at the same time you're giving up so little in ballistics with the 270WIN it'll never be noticed in the real world in the field!
270 win. All the way!
The coin noise when he mentioned the needmore! Priceless.
I can listen to Ol Ron all day long! He is so interesting and fascinating and I have learned ALOT from him. Ron if you read this, don't stop what you do! And thanks alot for all the great vids!
Thank you sir.
.270 ftw- thanks Ron... great upload
A very thorough and intelligent discourse Ron. From my point of view you’re 100% “bang” on.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't put the 7mm rem mag on the list.
I haven’t done the math, but supposedly the 7 mm rem mag shoot flatter with less recoil than the 6.8 Wst. So unless you have an issue with the belt, or you don’t like a long action, this new cartridge doesn’t make a lot of sense.
If you hate belts, and definitely want a short action, then this is your ticket.
Ya i would agree especially with the 1-8"twist on a 7mm mag it'll will surpass both of those cartridges 👍
@Bruce Whitcavitch The 7rm and 6.8 have almost the same muzzle energy at around 3200. The difference is you can get slightly higher B.C. bullets in the 7mm.
I would like to see the result between 6.8 western and the 270wsm with the same bullet and same barrel twist
@@falba1492 how can a 7mm rem mag that burns more powder and pushes a heavier bullet kick less?! Food for thought
You can still find 270 Win at the store sometimes. And for some reason 7MM and 300 Win Mag has been sitting on the shelves.
I'm a huge fan of the 270 wsm.
If your talking about reloading and finding the highest BC bullet for 6.5 PRC then you missed the new Hornady A-Tip. It’s has a 704 BC with 153 grains. You should compare that one to the 6.8 Western. You can hand load the 6.5 PRC with the A-Tip to 3,050 ft/sec. The 3,050 ft/sec is from a loading data handbook using H1000 or Retumbo. With that said, the 6.5 PRC for precision shooting at extreme long range has an advantage (1,200 yards or more up to a mile). For hunting most game will be taken at less than 700 yards and most likely less than 350 yards, so for hunting the 6.8 Western has a slight advantage (6.5 PRC is also an incredible all around hunting caliber as it can go from deer all the way up to elk and moose, same for 6.8 Western). I will own both calibers. In my opinion 6.8 Western will most likely be the best all around hunting caliber but I would like to see a side by side comparison of the 6.8 Western vs the 28 Nosler. You also have to consider the lack of availability for 6.8 western if rifle offerings as of 2021. Not many out there yet. 6.5 PRC there are plenty.
Furthermore consider the following...
The 6.5 PRC’s 143-grain ELD-X overtakes the 7mm at 250 yards and then begins pulling away. At 800 yards the PRC is 383 fps faster and has 61% more energy. 6.5 PRC has more ftlbs of energy than the 30-06 from 160 yards and beyond.
300 WM stops killing elk ethically at 900 yds. 6.5 PRC stops killing elk ethically at 800 yrds. 300 WM stops killing mountain critters ethically at 1,000 yrds. 6.5 PRC stops killing mountain critters ethically at 1,000 yrds. At 1,000 yards the 6.5 PRC is traveling 5 percent faster than a .300 Win. Mag with 68% less felt recoil.
You know a guy is worth listening to when he uses the word "ameliorate." Score.
I had to look it up.
Reminds me of NFL films when Hank Stram tell the boys to keep matriculating the ball down the field. Now I have to find a way to shoehorn ameliorate into a conversion just to honor RSpomer's command of the English Language. I love Ron's vids.
Well I'm glad to see Ron look and share the ballistics of this one. It's interesting to see the 7mm Rem Mag compared as well.
He did in his first 6.8 Westerner video, check it out. If you like 7 Rem Mag, you will like the comparison where it bests the 6.8.
Another great video Ron. Thanks.. I never understand why some people get mad when a new cartridge comes out. If you have the one you like, then why worry about what someone else shoots. How many different kinds of cars and trucks are there? It doesn't bother me if a company comes out with a new model.
Thanks Tex.
Well said. Especially since rifle makers have to introduce new cartridges to drive rifle sales. A stagnant business is a dead business.
I own the 270 wsm and am very happy with it. My realistic expectations of shooting are probably no more than 600 yards. Hunting is 500 and less, mainly because wind gusts vary so much during hunting season. I appreciate the honesty about these cartridges. Nice video.
I'd like to see a direct head to head comparison of the 6.8 Western and it's parent cartridge, the .270WSM out to 1,000 yards, or even farther if that's possible.
Same here... I love my 270WSM
I don’t think you’d notice a difference. The WSM is better at 500 yards but with the higher BC of the 6.8 it would probably catch up at 1000 yards
Watch Sam and Mark after work. Not exactly head to head but dang they make it happen with all cartridges
@@johnjpa808 I do watch their channel
I love the old 270 win it just hangs on ballistics Wise for so many years and with so many new calibers 😮
I love these ballistics comparisons, I guess the new kids on the block now know where the term splitting hairs comes from. A couple things I try to keep in mind is that while putting a bullet in the right place is the most important part of hunting, having a bullet that performs appropriately at the velocity / distance your expecting it to is important too. I like heavy bullets, not only for the high BC numbers that are associated with them, but for the high SD numbers that correspond with long for caliber bullets. BC numbers indicate what people need to know to hit targets, live or otherwise, SD numbers indicate what people might need to know when it comes to killing potential on live game. After that, know what velocity range your particular bullet requires to perform how it should, and you have a baseline to what your limitations are in the field.
Well explained!
Excellent points, Demetrius. Problem with trying to test penetration is not just sorting out bullet construction (metals, bonding, partitions, hardness, etc.) and B.C. effect on impact velocity, but replicating hits on various animals. Just too many variables. But, all other things equal, the high SD should penetrate more. Just basic physics. More mass behind the nose. Momentum.
Thanks Ron - just bought a new X-Bolt in 270WSM - thanks for your help
Ron's salt of the earth 🌎 style is calming to me, in a world full of D' bags we need more men like Mr spomer!! Thanks Ron for the info .
You said it all. Good old 270
Ron, thx for the videos. I appreciate you including the .280 AI. To me, because the heavier Bullet weights of 6.8 W it more closely compares to the 7mm-ers and .30 calibers I like it. I might build a 6.8 W.
And then came the 7mm Rem Mag for fun. 168 grain Alco bullet a B.C. of .803 at 3084 fps MV. Zeroed at 250 yrds. At 500 yrds Here are the numbers. 2533 fps, 2394 ft/lbs of energy, 25.71" drop and 8.9" of wind. 180 grain Alco MV of 3002 fps. At 500 yrds 2493 fps, 2485 ft/lbs, 26..93" drop, and 8.5" of wind😁👍Nice content as always Ron. Even more impressive are the numbers at 1,000 yards.
I'll stick with my 270 WSM take you very much
Me too!
Me three!
Yep, looking at the numbers it beats all of them, in speed, drop and energy for the bullet weight, beats even the 6,8 with heavier bullets.
Getting one soon
Another vote for 270 WSM!
Awesome info Ron!! Interesting story, had a gunsmith build me a 6.5 saum years ago, I did alot of research on ballistics back then and found exactly what you talked about in this video.
I love long action rifles, actually my favorite two calibers are 7.92x57 (True loads sending a 198gr 2700fps & 3,040 ftlb) [8mm Mauser for those who don't know] And the 7.62x54R 174gr at 2800fps & 2,980 fps. Both can be hand loaded much higher while maintaining safety. Both are great with bullet weights from 147gr bullets as well as above 200gr bullets
Don't get me wrong I like short action rounds such as the 6.5 Grendel which I love but I love it from a gas gun
Sam. You didn't mention powder column when talking about barrel life. PRC was designed with that in mind. Has alot to do with barrel life.
For those of us who hunt within 300 yards or so and don't like bloodshot meat, there is no allure to trade in our 30-06s.
30-06 will be here the next 100 yrs while these new ones will be gone.
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So will most of the rifles with their original barrels as well. I am sure that someone somewhere has burned out an -06 barrel , but I can honestly say that I have not met that person yet. 7mm bore and on down however is a different story. Access to loaded ammo is probably bested by only the .308 and the .223. Almost every gun store carries 30-06 chambered rifles both new and used. With bullets ranging from 110 grains to 220, there is very little that the 30-06 cannot do.
Yes sir, I agree with you. As long as there are hunters who believe that bragging rights are reserved for those who get the closest to their quarry before they pull the trigger, you will find plenty of 30-06s waiting to serve them.
30-30 kill lot buffalo, & lots other animals. Hornady 160 ftx w ballistic scope has 850lb @ 300 yd. Got a few guns, but the 30-30 lever is handy.
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True that. Affordable ammo too.
What i noticed with the WSM numbers was that the velocity was stated out of a barrel longer then what you could buy in a factory rifle. I believe it was 24" or 26" barrel. But the rifles sold in the wsm are 22". The standard long action caliber rifles comes with 24" or 26" barrels. So I think the added speed of the wsm cartatriges is lost with a shorter barrel.
Missing sectional density and recoil. You had recoil in part 1. Ultimately accuracy is paramount for long range and recoil is important for many many shooters. Brakes don't mitigate everything. It's certainly a nice choice though. PRC is wicked accurate, my observation, factory and reloads. It just is for whatever reason, call it inherent if you like. Great videos, thanks.
6.5 PRC is a sweetheart when it comes to recoil. It approaches 30-06 power but in a short action with a fraction of the recoil. The only con for 6.5 PRC is that it became so popular so fast that there are a ton of rifles chambered in it but finding ammunition is tough... sort of the opposite problem of 6.8 Western, where there's 6.8 Western Browning ammo on the shelf everywhere, but little to no rifles on the shelf that can chamber it.
Great topic, After hunting with my .270 Win for 41 years I’m stick with it!
Being an "old-school" traditionalist, I have a rough time being *converted* to the new cartridges.
Short actions as a hunter means nothing to me. A .270 in my old Rem 1950's 760 shucks rounds in and out as fast as I can move.
I've had custom Mausers in .270, 257 Roberts, 7x57, and of course the venerable 30-06. Even with the bolt action, I'll take those with hand-loads all day long.
Great review nonetheless Ron, I'm sure a lot of people are excited about these new rounds.
Do you carry a 1911 too?
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Nope, an 1847 Colt Walker. ;)
Yup...... they think 7mm mauser is old and no good ..... lol ..... 270 is old-fashioned??? ..... geeez .... and many of the youtube experts say that the 308 is an underpowered cartridge.... it's all laughable nowadays .... 30-06 is no good, 30-30 no good.... but they love 45-70..... 444 no good..... 450 marlin no good.... 222 no good ..... 280 what is that..... crazy stuff
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Currently working on a 7x57 AI, on an FN Mauser action.
Finding dies is a challenge, but improving an already great cartridge really shows one it's possible without creating something new.
For what I do, there's nothing this could not do. Sure, I could go with a .280, but I want something special in my next rifle but not radical.
Old school and yet unique, but not the "latest and greatest".
It's good to know you're still the king of the world after all the these days gone by. It'll never be dethroned. Many have tried, simply the best.
A 300 win vs 300prc would be an interesting matchup
Also include the .300WSM, but the 300PRC and WSM are almost identical in ballistics.
Someone already did a video on 300 vs 300 prc
@@bobm9857 the only difference between the 300 am and the prc is the prc has a slower twist rate to stabilize the longer heavier bullets for better BC's
All factory 300win mag rifles come in 1:10 twist and the prc is 1:8. That is my understanding anyways. I could be wrong, please correct me if so 🙂
@@Drivapete JC you are for the most part correct untill you start to shoot long range. The prc has a great standard deviation. I am not sure about the 6.8, going to start researching it. But at long range accuracy is the most important thing and standard deviation along with very high bc is pretty much everything. The other thing that matters is foot pounds of energy. For that you need to figure out the max range you would shoot at game and see what your cartridge is delivering along with what game you are hunting. Then i would decide on what caliber to get. An example would be CA making everyone use copper. A 6.5 is short on ftlbs at 1000 yrds on deer size game. One would have to step up.
Once again depends on distance you plan to shoot. Goid luck on your research.
300 PRC trumps 300 win
I personally prefer the 6.5 PRC but all 3 of these cartridges are a great choices for large game in North America
A shooter should never give up accuracy for more power.
As a handloader his couldnt be more true.
Not quite right, Basicaly a short Magnum cartridge might get a bit more Fps. but not much. Target cartridges are quite short and probably more accurate than a 270, For hunting use, If I can hit the eye of a deer at 100-150 yds I do not need more accuracy
I'm not shure if it's true, but heard short cartridges do not feed as well as standard/ long action (30-06 , 270 ) Rifles
@@WillyK51 Usually short action feeds better. However the short magnums that are really fat can have feeding and ejection issues. I like the long actions that are skinnier though because they have more power than a regular short action, but you can fit more in the magazine than a short magnum or magnum. For instance 30-06 vs 300 WSM.
The 6.5 PRC will normally be more accurate than a 270 win. At any distance, but especially at 200+ yards in 20+mph winds.
I built a 270 WSM custom with 1-8 twist barrel just for this reason. It is a Remington 700 left-handed long action. Winchester and Browning are in the business to make money. My long action is only about 6 oz more than my short action and the bolt throw is about a half inch more. I'll just stick with what I've got.
BTW ... Great video Ron!
I think you left out the finest of the bunch. The 270 Weatherby Magnum.
Can't cover them all in one video, but you picked a good one!
@Jess Hadlock I have used the 308, 3006, 270, 300 Wby Mag, 7 mm Rem Mag, 257 Wby Mag, 7 mm Wby Mag, 300 Win Mag and by far it is a fantastic cartridge. Accurate, hard hitting, long range performance, kicks like a 3006 so you can control it and shoot it without a break. Get one quick!, As you can see a lifetime of shooting and hunting led me to this realization.
@Jess Hadlock i think you have a fine taste in collecting calibers sir. I am gathering a collection of rifles in my favorite calibers myself. I have a long way to go, but I'm enjoying hand loading for each and every one.
@Jess Hadlock 340 wby is a good one. Have a mark 5 chambered in it and with the factory muzzle break it really tames the 4800 ft lbs. Only kicks about as hard as a 3006. Took my first bear with it this year and it went a whole 3 feet.
@Jess Hadlock Nice! I seriously enjoy the peace and quiet of handloading. My two favorites calibers/rifle are my -06 and my 300Weatherby Mag, both Vanguards. Looking for a Model 700 in 260 Remington...👍
Mr. Spomer, I really do enjoy learning about the many various cartridges that you cover. I no longer shoot or hunt because I’m stuck in a power wheelchair and hunting from a blind in the wide open desert of New Mexico doesn’t work very well. Besides, I can’t find anyone willing to take me out. The veterans organizations prefer post 9/11 veterans. Vietnam Era need not apply. But you keep me learning about the new cartridges and I really enjoy it.
Great video because I'm always interested how these short stubby cartridges compare to their longer counterparts
The short stubby cartridges will last longer when it comes to brass life for reloaders. The 270 win will be the easiest ammo to buy at a gun shop since 6.5 PRC is in such high demand. You'll find 6.8 Western ammo on the shelf, but have just one or two rifle manufacturers making whatever rifles they feel like selling that can chamber it.... $1100 X-bolts mostly.
I just think it’s great that there are so many options out there
I liked this video before starting it because some things you just know.
Great show, but you can take an old 270 win. , and put a 26 inch Hart barrel with 1/8 twist, and get 150 Nosler at 3100 fps, and 160 partition at 2950-3000 fps. , and it is way cheaper than buying a new gun. Get an old 270 Weatherby Mag. and put a 1/8 twist barrel on it and really go to town with that new Nosler 165 grain. must be a new bullet. Btw, I bought me a 6.5 creed..., loaded it way down, and one of the lighter bullets, Neck shot that deer, at 50 yards, dead, dead and my old body thanked me, this past year. Good suggestion Ron.
I have many rifles, but when deer season rolls around I always grab the same one: a Ruger 77MKII all weather in 30-06 with the "boat paddle" stock. It has not failed me in 26 years. I know where it shoots. Granted, my shooting in WV is 200 yards or less, so I am not pushing long range. I love that rifle and am very comfortable with it. Do I like to play with other calibers and rifles? SURE! I am currently playing with a 6.5 Grendal in an AR platform. Will it take the place of my trusty 30-06? Probably not. When I bought the Ruger I chose 30-06 because you could probably buy ammo in any gas station in WV! Ammo availability!
30-06 ♥️👍
Great video Ron! I’ve killed several whitetail with a 270WSM and several with the 270WIN. I’m a huge fan of both cartridges but I definitely prefer the 270win, mainly for the lighter recoil!
How does the old 30-06 compare? I love the idea of a .270 with a 165 grain bullet. I shoot 165 out of the 30-06. Would love to see the comparison. Thank you so much for the information. Great video
I bet it'd be the same result as the 7mm-08 vs .308. with the same weight bullet, the smaller bore will have better B.C... I'd still like to see the comparison.
@@DeepOwl1073 I agree. Thanks for the great reply. I didn’t think of the 7-08.
The 6.5 PRC is a beast...low drift and drop...
If Winchester and browning price the new western like they did with their super short mags .no thanks 100 to200 fps again for twenty dollars more a box
Not enterested.
Hey Ron, I love these videos. You do a good job talking about these cartridges.
Yes, I'm a good enough shooter to feel the .3 inch extra drop at 500 yards! I'll keep my .270 win TYVM.
I just got my Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather in 6.8 Western.with the muzzle break. I am going to have it restocked in Tiger Maple by Tech Woods USA in Montana. I've looked at all the calibers out there and I have a .270, a .280 and .243s, and a couple of 6.5 Creedmores. For those looking for a modern cartridge which shoots really well with power, this is a great new offering!
I guess my almost 100 year old 270 still holds its own against these hot new whooper snappers, especially within any realistic, ethical hunting distance.
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I have owned many hunting rifles over the last 50 years. A few years ago I switched back to hunting everything with my 270-Winchester and my 340-Weatherby. I have everything from pronghorn, deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats and the biggest of bears well covered.
@@robs8116 what caliber would you compare the 340 Weatherby to ?? TY,,,
Those dang nab snapper whippers..............
@@bustersmith5569 little more than 338 Win. Just about on par with 338 Lapua / 338 RUM.
I'm still one of those die hard 270WSM fans even though I really love the 6.5mm's and the 7mm's as well... This just tells me if I need something bigger then my 270WSM I might as well just grab my 7mm Rem Mag or 28 Nosler and problems solved... LOL Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!!
New and interesting? Sure. Enough difference to make a change? Probably not.
Great comparison and insightful evaluation! Thank you!
Excellent review. Interesting + to compare to the 7mm Mag :]
Thank you for telling the truth about 270 WSM, 6.8 is just another round like 6.5 PRC. Oh and by the way 165 accubounds will stabilize in 270 WSM.
Thanks for the info
I'm going to wait for the 6.8 Eastern.
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Best comment yet by far!!!!
Grandpa's old Mauser barreled in 270 Winchester is still working for me.
Long action vs. short action in a bolt rifle? Not sure why some people think it matters that much. I'll keep my 30-06 for awhile longer. I am in the market for a 243 or 25-06.
Edit: By the way, all those numbers look great. Pick one. Shine it up and go hunting.
In my experience, the only people who say that are running long actions.
If you can have something that is smaller and lighter yet still effective then why not? Handyness is a key feature. And shorter rounds are good for bolts and semi autos.
Depending on your preference in regards towards the 243 Winchester and the 25-06 Remington you can't go wrong with either.
The 243 Winchester being short action may sway the decision. I personally enjoy shooting as much as hunting and I enjoy my 243 and 350 Legend... my shoulder does too :)
@@blackie1of4 you're making good decisions
@@blackie1of4 I had a 243 years ago which my family gave me at 15. Hunted deer with it for several years. During grad school, I couldn't hunt so I sold it to my sister who gave it to my nephew. Can you believe they won't sell it back and all it does is sit since he has another rifle? ;) Anyway, I was eyeing a savage axis II xp in 243 for my kid to learn on and I could use on coyotes. My 30-06 will take a coyote but I'm going to have to be clever. Even with 125 grain SST rounds from Hornady.
I have taken over 30 head of big game with my 270, only one required a follow up shot. Who beeds a fancy wildcat cartridge.