Is the 7mm PRC the BEST 7mm ever?
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I personally am very excited about the 7 PRC! To me it’s a modernized 7 REM Mag which like you said is one of the greatest all around hunting cartridges there is. So the ability for this to double as a long range target cartridge with factory loadings is going to make the 7 PRC a winner in my opinion.
Yes Ron. Although others ‘can’ do things faster or cheaper, I think this 7mm prc is going to be fire.
I agree. It looks like an ideal elk and black bear cartridge
That’s what people don’t understand, they’ll ramble on about how the 7mm rem mag does the same thing or the 28 nosler does it better. Well sure the 28 nosler shoots flatter but has tons of downsides. And compared to the 7 mag it just does everything slightly better with no downsides except maybe a little more recoil. It’ll be popular because it’s in the middle of the pack and can handle any bullet you throw at it, If you want 140gr ballistic tips for deer to replicate a rem mag go for it, or you can shoot 190gr atips out to a mile
@@devinb3397 and how is it better than the 7 mag?
@@SpudOutdoors 7 PRC is better than 7 mag for long range hunting. Hornady fixed what all the other 7mm cartridges have wrong with them, they gave the 7 PRC a longer throat to accommodate long high-BC bullets with higher sectional density. The 7 mag has a super short throat, so you're limited in which bullets you can use. You can seat them deeper in, but then you're either crushing powder or lowering charge... not what you want to have to do when you're trying to use a longer heavier bullet. The only way to address the limiting factors of the 7 mag's saami chamber is to have your rifle rebarreled, with custom barrel made with a custom reamer used to give the 7 mag a longer throat. Not cheap. 7 PRC fixes it from the getgo so a guy can walk into his local gun store, buy a 7 prc rifle off the shelf and a box of factory ammo and have the same capabilities as a 7 mag that has had all the expensive work of having a custom barrel made and headspaced on the action, along with developing a handloaded round that works with the custom 7 mag chamber.
@@karlschauff7989 I shoot a saami chamber 7 mag with a 195gn Berger at 2910. If I had n570 I could do over 3000fps. Let’s see the PRC do that. I’ll be waiting.
Over the last decade or so I've really increased my appreciation for efficient cartridges - high powder efficiencies and high BC, well engineered bullets. Adjusting for drop is easy so I'm finding less and less reason to chase those extreme muzzle velocities. Seems there's nothing that 3000fps can do that 2800fps can't, unless all you need is fragmentation velocity. Looking forward to trying this one out. Thanks for the review, Ron.
Extreme muzzle velocities with low BC bullets fade fast. Difference between throwing as hard as you can a ping pong ball vs a golf ball.
@@sixfiveoutfitters1201 you guys are full of shit. The flatter shooting the less margin for error especially in a mountain situation like me taking big horn rams and goats, if you don’t know the distance or the elevation difference the flatter the better. Why handicap yourself with a blunt cartridge that has no advantage. Cartridges like my 338 win mag do everything well, especially at long distance, over 4000 ftbls 40 inches of drop at 500 yards and cheats the wind like an B2 bomber.
The 7 x 57 Mauser, 7mm Mauser, .275 Rigby call it what you will is the go. Great round. Full of history and character well proven around the world. Cheers from Australia.
.275 Rigby not .257 . Yep 👍 great cartridge !
Agreed along with the 257 Roberts I think it the Rigby twin
275 Rigby beloved by Jim Corbett is my favorite
@@johnkelly9246 Sorry John. Should have read 275 Rigby. Sorry have changed it.
@@NorthwoodsNomad Sorry Bruin. A typo. Have changed it.Cheers
1 in 8 is saami spec. Hornady has really been bringing the goods on new cartridges! I love these advancements in cartridges all while having just ordered my first proper hunting rifle in 308 win. It does everything I could ever want in western north Carolina, and ammo isn't expensive, and It's actually available. If I get into long range shooting I'll definitely be looking at this new cartridge.
I really think the 7RSAUM is the best 7mm cartridge available. It's why so many of us use it in benchrest and f open class. It's not only one of the most efficient cartridges ever conceived but extremely inherently accurate. Out of my unlimited class 1000yd benchrifle chambered in 7saum with it's 30" 1.250" straight blank I push a 183smk 3,020fps with 61.0gr of H4831sc and regular federal 210 primers. That is a testament to it's efficiency and when you can win your relays at Williamsport 1000yd club with it that is a testament to it's inherent accuracy because those old guys I shoot against there are no joke some of the best 1000yd shooters on the planet
Nice Job Ron ! Gavin at Ultimate Reloader also did a drop comparison with .243w, 6.5C, 6.5PRC 7mm rem mag, 30.06, 300 win mag, 300 PRC, at 1000yds All with ELDX hunting bullets. This way folks can see where it stacks up with existing hunting cartridges.
I love the 7mm Mauser, but hunt with a 7-08. It does all I need.
Pretty much all non-magnums are the same. Game can’t tell.
@@graynotescartridgebox What, the deer don't sit around at night discussing which cartridge they'd rather be shot with? There's got to be a Far Side joke in this somewhere.
@@Paladin1873 😂
280 remington is my favorite 7mm cartridge
.280 is probably the sweet spot as 6.5CM is to the 6.5 PRC, the .280 AI is to the 7 PRC.
Id get a 280rem. but there not a bullet you can find on the ammo shelf I reload but we all know they never stock reloading supply's anymore
@@warrengreen3217 yeah I reload my shotshells and can’t find any powder or primers, and if I can it’s only cheddite and at twice as much.
@@warrengreen3217 What are you looking for? I'll find it. Things are getting better.
@@derekkt49 large rifle primers and varget powder
Ron, all the guys who ream their own chambers have been able to do some interesting wildcats for a long time to use heavier and longer bullets. They also optimize the barrel twist to the bullets. My favorite 7mm cartridge is the 7mm-08 and a 24" barrel. Recoil is fine and it brings the game home. Also, as long as I can get 308 brass, I can make ammo, if primers, bullets and powder can be had.
Yes indeed. I've long been a fan of the little 7mm-08 Rem., and a 24" barrel maximizes its potential.
lots of talented smart gun crafters out there.
Ultimate Reloader summed it up nicely in a recent video... basically, because Hornady is presenting the enhanced barrel characteristics in the SAAMI spec, factory ammo can be made which has obvious market benefits. Wildcats gonna wildcat but this makes the enhanced precision more accessible to the general population.
Exactly what Jesse said. Wildcats and custom rifles can give you anything you want but most people don’t want to put in that kind of effort or cash. The 7mm PRC brings to market a cartridge and rifles that can do what all those wildcats can do but in a factory rifle with factory ammo. It’s like Hornady has said in its marketing, it’s a 7mm magnum for the 21st century shooter and hunter.
Hey Ron.thanks for the informations.i live in Québec Canada. I hunt moose and white tail deer and it does the job. So like you said,Ill stick with my 7 rem mag.She never desapoint me.
Hello from northern Ontario my moosy friend lol
Thanks for bringing this one to us, Ron. This is the 1st I’ve seen or heard of it. Now the 7mm fans have a PRC to call their own. Not a huge 7mm fan myself. But, honestly, if it goes “bang” I usually like it
Why not a 7mm fan? Lol one of the best all around long or short range cartridges out there, no to big for smaller game but not to small for moose and grizz at super distances hell of a long range elk gun
@@tec9944 I didn’t say I wasn’t. Just said “not huge”. I’m well aware of the benefits of 7mm bullets. But I cut my teeth on 270. That will always be my top. For the ranges I hunt 7mm Anything just isn’t enough better to become “my new fave”. That said I do have a Kimber 280 AI. And am looking forward to playing with it as soon as I can settle on a scope. So, again, well aware of the 7mm advantage. And, honestly, I believe in just using whatever one wants to hunt anything so long as it’s amply powerful. So 358 Winchester for deer hunting? You bet!!
Another solid video Ron. Huge fan. For long range target shooting I see a huge advantage with the PRC’s. For most hunters I see little to no advantage. Having spent a few hundred hours at 600 - 1000 yard ranges I’ve met guys who would definitely use this potential. I’ve seen far more shooters, the vast majority in fact, who aren’t even able to get the full potential out of the 7-08. The 7mm PRC with 180 grainers will probably also have a bit of kick. I guess nothing a good muzzle brake wouldn’t take care of.
If you’re a 1000 yd shooter or just a guy that loves to have the latest and greatest cartridge out there and you’re willing to put in the bench time to be accurate at those ranges then I’m behind you 100%.
Most of my local hunting is done with a 7-08 and 140 Nosler BT’s. If I go out west then my old A-bolt goes with me. More than 20 years old and shooting 160 Accubonds at around 3100 fps it still prints 4”-5” groups at 600 yds. That’s almost 200 yds farther than my longest hunting shot. Love shooting steel at 600 and 800 but on live targets I prefer shots under 300. Keep the videos coming buddy. 👍
Thanks, Ron!
7mm prc makes sense for punching paper at 1000+ yrds. Most folks consider taking shots on game past 400-500 yrds unethical. Hunting is my primary application, so my 7mm rem mag is just fine under 500 yrds. Also I can't even imagine how difficult it's going to be to find 7mm prc ammo in stock for years to come.
@@redacted2618 I stand by my statement a year ago. I agree if you handload it's a non issue, but most don't. Again for hunting at 500 yards and in the difference is negligible to 7 Rem mag.
I’m a big fan of the 7mm-08 and 7 Rem mag, but since I have both, I probably won’t pick this one up in the foreseeable future. Where I hunt, even a 100 yard shot is rare due to brush and there are no ultra long ranges. After hitting a white tail with a hand loaded 175 partition going over 3000 fps at the muzzle at about 50 yards I cut the loads back and ignored the newer faster cartridges as unnecessary. I suppose if I pick up long range target shooting, I’ll consider this one since it’s claim to fame is chamber and bullet weight vs speed.
Hey Ron, I'd like to see a head to head comparison with the 6.8 western soon. I got the 6.8 and love it. When I heard about the 7prc I was expecting it to come out ready to handle 190 or maybe even 200gr loads because the 6.8 has the capacity to go to 180gr too. I really like the 6.8 being in a short action too, I just wish Hornady would make bullets for it
6.8 western! Remember Hornady is competition, so they’ll avoid making anything for Winchester’s 6.8.
The 7prc can handle up to 195 grain boolets son.
@@joshlower1 My 300 WBY can shoot 240 gr bullets !…….
I miss it when Hornady just wanted to make bullets for everybody. And they made great Spire Pints and Round Noses and Flat Points that they’ve abandoned. I miss the 265gr Flat Point Interlock(Flex Tip? I don’t want to have to trim my brass back due to that bullet. That Flat Point was so well balanced. And when I use a lever action I want to get a bit close. Why try to turn that into the 308 it’s not?) that was designed expressly for the 444 Marlin. I miss the the .358 250gr RN. The 200gr .338” Spire Point. They’ve made a lot of good introductions yes. But they’ve become so giant and bloated they’ve lost their roots
I own many calbre but it's a hard to compete with the all round capability of 7mm. It's like a 3006 with range
Thanks for the info Ron. I'm going to continue to wait to see if Hornady develops the 338 PRC, 375 PRC, 458 PRC and perhaps a 505 Gibbs PRC. It appears they can't help themselves once they found that there is a market for these long bullets with high BC that preform well in a fast twist rate barrel and really appeals to the long range shooter. It's all good. It isn't like anyone is forcing people to buy these new cartridges. If there is a market for it then they will develop it.
338 !
My guess is it will bow out at 338... Market share
Just as a note the parent cartridge of the PRC line of cartridges is the 375 Ruger. So the 375 and 416 are already designated. As for the short action line of PRC cartridges which where derived by shortening and necking down the original 375 Ruger, the 300 RCM is the parent and the 300 RCM and 338 RCM are already designated. The 6.5 PRC is made by necking down the 300 RCM.
A .338 PRC, please!
458prc is already there - it is called 450rigby.
Jarrett, CZ and some others will be happy to sell you a semi-custom 450 Rigby rifle.
After reading multiple articles and watching your video on 7mm PRC, I now know what my decision is if adding another 7mm to the stable.
Will re-barrel my old Savage 110 Hunter 30-06 with a 24-26 inch Criterion or Shilen barrel chambered in .280 AI with a little faster than normal twist of 1-8".
That should do anything with most of the heavy 7mm bullets that an average guy like me wants to do without breaking the bank.
Thanks again Ron for another informative video to help shooters like myself make a logical decision.
280ai for the win!
A wise decision, Sir. Mine was the same, along with 7×57mauser and 7mm brenneke - the last ones more easily found here in Europe.
For those laser-like shots there is also 25-06 and 6.5×68schuler. Like'em both but they're both specialist's cartridges.
Your .30-06 already did that
@@borkwoof696 I know you are right, but also have a 700 CDL 30-06 as a spare!
For me the 7mm rem mag is the best. It just gets it done , nothing fancy just quick clean kills and the ability to do it at very long range
Nice to see yet another cartridge in the 7MM lineup. I've owned a 280 Remington for years.....and always felt it was one of the more overlooked cartridges ever offered. It also had some SAMMI Specs that were somewhat tighter for reasonable bullet weights and that feature alone was quite helpful in accuracy as the bullet jump was not so extreme. I sill like my 280 in a Remington Mountain Rifle all these years later. Never left me wanting for accuracy. If I were looking now....I'd have to compare this new offering to the 280. Likely still use my shooting stix too. Grin. Best Ron.....Tom @ Stoney Point.
Hi Tom! Long time no see. I'm still using your excellent Shooting Sticks with plenty of gaffer's tape holding them together. Must have a million miles on them. Great product. Didn't know you still made/sold them. Cheers.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Hi Ron. Likewise. It was always a pleasure to meet up with you at SHOT Show each year. I've been long out of the Stoney Point Products (since '05 when I sold to Uncle Mikes). After that the Stoney Point brands went to a few other owners in quite rapid succession....and with different product managers, I suppose? Primos now has the Shooting sticks brand (Polecat) via their parent Company, and Hornady has the Reloading tools.....as I last knew. I did design another improved shooting stick version for the new owners.....but I don't believe it was widely marketed (?). A few improvements just never became reality and were lost in the shuffle. My wife made me swear off new product designs.....lol. I also have and use many of the old Stoney Point versions from over 20 + years back. Still have a few spare parts in my personal parts kit. If I knew what you needed I would send it. (steady six rubber yoke??) Somehow golf has largely replaced my shooting habit. How does one P.M. you on UA-cam? Best, my friend.
Simply put, not enough difference to upgrade my 7mm RM which I have hunted with for 27 years. But for my next custom FClass Rifle, it has all the right things going for it and the boiler room to hit all the nodes. Maybe my kids will use this while I’m old schooling it with the ol’ 7RM in the field.
nothing wrong with a classic and you know it's good because there's a belt on the cartridge... sets it apart from those 6.5 WomenMoore cartridges
Just wanted to get you a shout out . I followed your advice on zeroing in my 220 Savage 20ga and 6.5 Creedmore Rifle. Save a ton of time and money . Thanks again Ron. Love your channel.
I think Hornady just signed the death warrant of the 6.8 Western. If you were chasing a modern, well balanced cartridge which uses high BC bullets, I can’t think of many, if any, reasons to go to a 27 calibre over a 28. The Hornady juggernaut is unstoppable right now.
The short action fanatics, will still find a reason to pick a 6.8 Western over the 7PRC. But for the most part I agree with you I was considering a 6.8 build, I'm leaning 7 PRC now.
6.8 western does pretty much the same thing in a half pound lighter and shorter rifle. 6.8 western fills a gap if going long action there's better choices then either. I'm talking hunting rifles not 1000 yard paper punchers. Both are good cartridges for sure though and no deer or elk will know the difference. If hunting in the backcountry up and down mountains the hunter will notice a difference.
@@rockie307 It doesn't do the same thing, it has slightly worse ballistics at all ranges. The rifles are not a half pound lighter, the two models that I looked up (a X-Bolt Speed and an X-Bolt Pro) only weighed a quarter of a pound more when chambered in 300PRC compared to 6.8 Western, despite having two inches more barrel. Given equal barrel length, the rifle may be a half inch shorter, which I would suggest is not a big deal. But the main issue with the 6.8 is that the .277 bore diameter has a tiny fraction of the long range bullet offerings that the 7mm and 6.5mm does, so if you can't find the couple of options available, or if heaven forbid it doesn't catch on and manufacturers stop making them, then you are left with a slightly worse version of the 270 WSM.
@@lawnfarmr399 In that case go with the 28 or 30 nosler there only 2 ozs heavier and have much better ballistics. If all that matter are paper ballistics and not length or weight. I said pretty much the same thing. No deer or elk will no the difference at hunting ranges.
@@rockie307 the Nosler cartridges have their place, but are too overbore to really be in the same niche as the 7 PRC or 6.8 Western. Paper ballistics are far from everything. My favourite cartridge is the .308 and it isn’t winning any ballistic prizes. My point is that the .277 bore diameter is not the best option for a cartridge in this class, as it doesn’t have the high bc options of other bore diameters. Winchester and Browning only went with it for marketing reasons, to try and generate some excitement for something ‘new’. They are trying to carve out a niche in an extremely stacked portion of the market. There is nothing wrong with that, but from the end users perspective, the 7mm PRC or even the 6.5 PRC are just a better bet, due to the fact that they have far more support in terms of projectile options and (given the precedent set by all of Hornady’s recent cartridges) factory ammunition offerings as well. 6.8 Western might be successful and long lived, but it’s far less likely
Ron, great job. Most important comment for me was “little difference out to 400 yards” 👍 perfect
7prc looks amazing on paper. Can't wait to see it in action. I'm sure happy I didn't buy the 300 prc yet. 7 prc might win.
Hey Ron you should have compared the 7PRC to the whole 7mm Lineup
I dont see any Thing about the PRC that say yes this is Groundbreakin / the F Class Guys will shoot there 284 Win / Shehane or the Wildcat 7 RCM or what ever the Name is 😜 (6.5 PRC Case Necked up to 7mm)
the Average Hunter have no advantage over shooting the PRC vs 7x64 (which is my Favorit with 165gn Norma Bondstrike Extreme at 2850ft/s my Rifle is a Steel Action HM with a 24" Barrel 1:8.5 Twist this thing is Stupid Accurate on good Days i shoot 1/3 MOA all day long the Twist is the Standard for 7x64) 280ai or a 7mm Rem Mag the best allaround Cartridge would be the 280AI with a 1:8 or 1:8.5 Twist Barrel
Yes you get 200 ft/s more speed on the PRC but for the Normal Hunter what is the Difference till 500 Yards and everything comes with a Price more Recoil less Barrel Life ..... and Ammo availability
Thight Machining is available for all Cartridges when you go to a competent Gunsmith or a High Quality Factory Rifle (the Funny Thing is i have 2 Steel Action one HS in 308 and 1 HM in 7x64 both of them have so thight Cambers that only European Ammo chambers without Problem Hornady doesnt fit in both the Bolt doesnt Close without to much resistance my fired Cases of Norma Sako RWS or Lapua are all 0.002 inch shorter in headspace than Factory Ammo from Hornady for me as a Reloader it is no Problem at all)
I don’t ever intend on shooting an animal over 600yds so I don’t want the extra recoil for no real advantage. I’m building a custom 280ai and that will be perfect for me. Not nay saying the long range capabilities though….I think for precision shooters this will be perfect.
I shoot (or rather, shot in the past) a 7mm Weatherby magnum (Fibermark with 26" barrel), and loved it. It was a pussycat to shoot and shot factory 175 grain Core-Lokts at just under 3100fps into groups you could cover with a nickel. I bought a Weatherby brake with the rifle but never put it on...like I said, pussycat. Now that I am older, I shoot a 7mm-08 and it does just fine, shooting dime sized groups with of all things, Hornady 140 grain American Whitetails. I've spent a ton of money on premium ammo and put in the time at the range but none of the spendy cartridges shot groups even close to the Whitetails. Love the sevens, and I will stick with the 7mm-08 for now.
I have the 6.8 Western and the ballistics of the 7PRC. Are very close. To me it looks like hornady needed a bullet to complete with the 6.8WST. All marketing. My 6.8 Western XPR Hunter is serving me well. Already this season I’ve took two white tail bucks, and I plan on heading out west to a friends property for some pronghorn action. That’s why I have the 6.8. I’m a fan of the .277/.270 caliber bullets. Although I rely on my shot placement capability.
Awesome, Ron. I'd love to see an analysis on 7PRC that included recoil comparisons. That'll be a factor for folks considering this cartridge in their search for their "quiver of one"
Same as or close enough to 7mm rem mag
@@shootingatshadow it's noticeably more. I've seen other people say 7 Rem Mag is 20ft-lbs and 7 PRC is 23 or 24. Remember that the PRC is pushing heavier bullets even faster, with more powder burnt.
Sounds like maybe it’ll shoot the same weight bullets about 100fps faster, at least from what I’m seeing. So yeah, a bit more recoil than the 7 mag.
Hi Ron, recovery from surgery ...cannot sleep.
The Prc's don't impress me much.
Even to this day, when I evaluate all chamberings, the .270 wcf is the best 7mm (for myself)
The .280 Rem is it's equal.
My primary Game animal are wild sheep.
I think like you said Ron that it’s a very well balanced cartridge that solves a lot of the issues that people have with the current 7mms on the market like not really being optimized for the long high bc bullets and the belt for handloaders. Personally I’m excited about it and will most likely be getting one but then again I don’t own a 7mm Rem Mag or a 28 Nosler. I do think though that it is the best designed 7mm to date in my opinion. Btw it does have slight roughly 75-100 fps advantage over the 7mm Rem Mag with 175gr and 180gr bullets. So you do get a little more out of it.
My next rifle!!! I have been waiting for it to come out and now is here!!! 2023 season with a 7 PRC!!
Thanks Ron for doing an early video!!!
@@chrisp308 I'll wait until they are really available, thank God it's my next rifle not my only one!!!
I'm a HUGE 7MM fan. I'd love to see a video on the best 7mm for North American medium to large game. And the pros and cons of each caliber. I'd love to see the 7x57, 7mm-08, 280 Remington, 280 Ackley, 28 Nosler, 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm WSM, 7mm RUM, and 7mm SAUM all in this being that they are pretty standard and commercial calibers.
7mm blaser
@@rolandfeuz2306 That 7mm PRC is a nearly clone of the 7mm Blaser Magnum designed by Norma 12 years ago, but based on an other parent case.
I would like to know how this compares to the Winchester 6.8 Western For big game hunting. I prefer short action for long action make a more compact and light mountain rifle. Winchester and Browning need to get their act together as far as marketing the 6.8, because this is something Hornady has mastered!!
Nosler needs to get the button gear and start producing their high BC ABLR bullet for the 6.8 and the 6.5 for reloader to start loading!!
7mm PRC. A long-range hunters dream come true. I will own one very soon.
I think it’s a good idea. It’s mating and modernizing the 7rm with what yhe SAUM has become in its afterlife. Or rather applying SAUM efficiency to a full size non-mag 7. I don’t love all of Hornadys design principles but I think this will do well and the 180 itself is a fantastic bullet. I imagine a lot of folks would love to sell their 300prc to get rid of the recoil and still have a lot more payload than the 6.5.
Exciting. Liking the potential. I am a big 7mm Rem Mag guy. This has my attention. Thanks
🤔 Ron, I am a fan of the 280 AI it's performance and because of it's mild recoil! I am sure the 7mm prc is a very well designed cartridge! However, I am not sure if the extra 5 ft lbs in the gun's recoil will be worth the extra velocity gains? That, along with 1 less round in the magazine! But, I do applaud Horneday for trying and I'm sure it will be successful! 👏👏👏
The benefits aren't going to be realized in any significant way until longer range. Low drag bullets is what it's all about, and not until past 400-500 yards is that going to be much consideration, when compared to other pretty competent cartridges like the .280 A.I.
It's not so much about velocity gains (even though there are modest ones) as it is about bringing the cartridge case into the 21st century giving it the ability to handle the longest high BC bullets of the 7mm bore dia. In conjunction with a faster twist barrel.
🕵️♂️ Well, the several people that have this 7mm prc cartridge that I've heard from are getting 2,900 ft/s to 2,920 ft/s with a 175 grain bullet, with accuracy! If you look at the Nosler Load Manual, you can get just over 2,900 ft/s with the 280 AI and a 175 grain bullet! Backing that off to 2,850 ft/s is probably where you will get the best accuracy for the 280 AI and you can do that with several powders! So, is the additional 5 ft lbs of recoil worth an extra 50 ft/s to 70 ft/s in velocity? I personally don't think so! 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 to be honest the 280ai is a better hunting cartridge. It gives you near 7mm Rem mag performance with less recoil and room to fit an extra cartridge in the magazine. It would also be more at home in an ultra lite package. The 7mm PRC shines at distances more reserved for poking paper or banging steel. You must decide what works better for your application.
If the bullet leaves the muzzle with the same velocity, the shape of the cartridge doesn't matter much. The 280AI will perform as good as the PRC...
I calculated that the 7mm PRC, with the 180-grain Hornady ELD, will maintain supersonic flight for 1.08 miles. So this is a true one-mile cartridge. And at 1 mile, the 180-grain bullet has about the same energy as an average 158 grain 257 magnum, fired out of a 6-inch barrel, at the muzzle.
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Just ordered mine, supposed to be here in a few days. Getting excited!
The 6.8 western is a really interesting comparison to the 7mm prc and rem mag too
Ready for my waypoint in 7prc
I'm gonna consider picking one up once brass is more widely available, as well as primers which are way harder to find locally than powder. Same with rifles, once they're widely available in Canada I'm gonna consider it for sure. Ultimate reloader's series shows the data on all the PRC cartridges and the 7mm looks like it hits everything a big game hunter or target shooter wants
In the last year I have been on the search for a “premium hunting and target rifle”. I tried a 6.5 prc and although I like the round I have my reservations. My reservations were validated on a lost bear. I quickly turned back to the 7s. Going back and forth between a 280ai and 7mag. Now that I see some of the gun makers who are offering the 7PRC, I do believe I’ll be buying one in short order. It will complement my 7mm-08 nicely.
The only problem I see right now is the projectiles themselves for big game. The ELDM shoots like a laser but would fragment violently up close. Hornady needs to get to work on something that bridges the gap between the ELDX and bonded projectiles that can punch through big game with all the benefits of a high BC
@@devinb3397 I agree about the ELDM. I know lots of people use the to hunt, but I haven’t had a good experience. Im sure we will continue to see these heavy high BC bullets coming out. The 150 ELDX has performed really well in my 7mm-08 taking at least 1 bull past 300 yards. So I would feel comfortable with the 175 ELDX.
What bullet did you use on the 6.5 PRC? From what I have read, it appears that a good controlled expansion bullet pretty much allows a smaller diameter bullet to compare to a slightly larger cup and core bullet. BTW, I consider the ELD-X to be a cup and core bullet.
Thanks
@@jfess1911 I was using the 147 ELDM. I had countless guys say that was the bullet to use. The shot was at 50 yards broad side. The bear tore off straight up hill, not a drop of blood or tuft of hair. I thought maybe I missed him. But there was a rock wall about 6 feet behind where the bear was standing and I could see where the bullet hit the rock. Based on that point of impact I could tell it should have been a good shot. Maybe I hit him in “no man’s land”. But either way I did my best to track the bear and lost the trail once the slope started to level out. I went back a couple times and never saw birds, or could smell death, so I’m pretty sure he survived.
@@mrstangthang98 I am surprised that any of that bullet managed to pass through the bear and hit the rock! I am not a fan of fragmenting bullets. The fellow on the Backfire channel shot an animal in Africa with a Berger bullet from a 6.5 PRC. I think he said he had to follow it for 3/4 of a mile before it dropped.
Ron, as usual, you are accurate in your assessment. I already have 2 7mags., I have 2 7mm-08s, so do I need this? Not! If I did not already have these rifles then I needed a 7 then I would run out and buy one! Punching paper or banging steel won't put venison on my table. There are so many, many calibers that will do the exact same thing. And I know will agree! But why do I watch your videos? Because you are always right on and I know how you get paid! Love your videos and will keep watching!
Excellent video, as usual. I'm glad you pointed out the issue of tolerances in gun/ammo manufacturing. Some of the more liberal tolerances I've seen in the SAAMI drawings are pretty astonishing. Take the 7mm-08 for example, at the cartridge base you have a tolerance of .011" between chamber min and cartridge max. Add the +.002" tolerance for chamber and the -.008" for ammo together, you have up to .021" of slop between cartridge and chamber while still being within spec!
For the 7mm bore diameter the optimum package would closely mimic the positive attributes of the 7mm Rem mag minus the belt, body taper, and shoulder angle. If it cant be done with similar performance characteristics and dimensions of the Rem mag you need a bigger stick. The 7mm PRC's qualities are intriguing and bring the same improvements to the Rem mag as its sibling the 300 PRC does to the Win mag.
So literally no improvements at all for the average shooter??
@@whiteyfisk9769 7mm Rem Mag is a well designed cartridge to start with The 7 PRC will provide minor improvement in average accuracy from the tighter freebore, and less wind drift if you want to use higher BC bullets. The beltless case will feed a little better. Otherwise, no big gains unless you shoot well beyond 500 yards. Its main advantage will be clanging steel at 1000 yards and beyond for bragging rights.
@@whiteyfisk9769 what I'm saying is that the 7mm rem mag is a well rounded cartridge and the improvements listed are more about bringing it into the 21st century with what we have learned about cartridges through years of development. If you have a Rem mag there really wouldn't be a need to replace it unless you wanted the latest and greatest. And if the Rem mag is inadequate then you probably need more than a 7mm bore.
You guys worry too much about cartridges and not enough about bullets. Bullets matter. Where the PRC will shine is it will use better bullets.
@@graynotescartridgebox The improvements in cartridge design and chamber specs pave the way for better accuracy and the use of long high BC bullets in conjunction with a faster twist barrel giving increased long distance performance making a better all around package. Question is at what cost? Is it necessary for your application?
I’m running the 195gr Berger our of my 28 Nosler at 3000fps.
I can get that in my 7 mag
Perhaps an interesting comparison 6.8 western and the 7mm PRC?
Great video Ron. Watch most of your videos. Mostly agree with what you have to say. Keep up the good work
Excellent vid and I have been binge watching vids on this cartridge. I am a Mossberg fan boy and I received yesterday an email about their newest offering. The Patriot Predator 7 mm PRC. And I know our host here has hunted elk with the Patriot 7 mm Rem Mag. So, obviously, 7s can work on large game, especially at the ranges he was shooting that elk. I remember it was on sticks and it took 3 shots, all of them hits and our host scoring on a moving target at the speed of a charging elk.
So, this 7 PRC may have some variability in velocity of use. Again, as noted and one can read in the SAAMI specs, this has a very tight tolerance, which provides less bullet tumble and wobble or dutch roll. The jump distance or free bore is very small. And a 1:8 twist or less on a long barrel will get a screeching 3,000 fps down range fast and in a hurry, getting more impact power with a standard weight for both hunting and military use. In fact, I wonder if the Rangers may ultimate change to it. Perhaps not, because of the barrel life. Dump on the .308 Win as much as anyone wants to, .308 barrels last longer with twists of 1:9 and slower and MVs of 2,700 to 2,850 fps.
TLDR, you get a long range precision rifle from the factory. The Mossberg Patriot Predator is still a stock similar to the Patriot, which I have an issue with. Patriot stocks have no metal bedding, whether pillars or inner chassis. Mossberg does have other rifles with metal bedding. And they cost more. On the other hand, the Mossberg MSRP is about 540. So, depending on the distance of action screws, one my find a Boyd's or MDT or Oryx chassis that provides better bedding and accuracy. My Patriot .308 in the MDT chassis is 1 MOA after 60 rounds of driving it like I stole it.
Getting ammo has gotten a little better. However I feel the only hunting ammo for it will be the hornady eldx. I refuse to shoot that at another big game animal again.
Youre a wise man, the eldx should be outlawed for hunting
@@whiteyfisk9769 unfortunately I learned from experience. I did end up getting the job done but it was ugly.
I don't have a 7mm but have been wanting one lately. Have contemplated the 7mm Rem but don't care for the belt. The 7mm STW is also interesting but ammo, components are rare and have heard it's a barrel burner. This may be exactly what I've been looking for.
It is a barrel burner and if you have a brake on it it is also very loud!!!
It is a barrel burner and if you have a brake on it it is also very loud!!!
How on earth would Hornaday know if they had created the best round possible ? Their diversion from their specifications is legendary !
Yup! And my .280 Rem. says hold my beer. To be fair my .280 was built for accuracy. 98 action Douglas premium barrel 26 inch barrel and Timely trigger. I reload a sweet load for it. Crazy tight groups.
I would like to see some of the older cartridges such as 7mm-08, 243 win, 270 win, 308 win updated to new SAAMI specs to allow for the modern high b.c. bullets. I would especially be interested in rifles and cartridges in 7mm-08 that could use Barnes TTSX bullets with longer COAL dimension and corresponding increase in the chamber.
All of these things are available if you have a rifle built and load your own ammo. The SAAMI specs are only there to ensure compatibility between factory rifles and factory ammo. I think a 7mm-08 with a match grade chamber, custom throat, and extended magazine box would be a fantastic gun for deer hunting and target shooting. Combine it with good quality dies and handloads for an easy 1/2 MOA rifle.
Id love to see a version of a "7 creedmoor"
This is a cartridge that when I heard about it I was really excited but I didn't know which way they were going to go with it... meaning where they going to neck up the 6.5 PRC, make a new case all together, or neck down the 300 PRC. I'm glad they went with necking down the 300. I already own a rifle or at least a barreled action for a big chunk of the 7mm's and this is going to be a cartridge I'm going to have a rifle built around. I can't wait to get my hands on everything so I can start tinkering with it...
The 7 PRC case is shorter than the 300 PRC. 2.28" vs 2.58". This allows the 7 PRC to fit in a 30-06 action whereas the 300 PRC requires the longer "magnum action."
@@jfess1911 you are correct I should've said it's parent case is the 300 PRC...
@@DanielBoone337 Ironically, the cartridge that started the 0.532" case body trend, the 300 Ruger Compact Magnum (designed by Hornady) was not at all popular. The body is the same diameter as the rim and, for that matter, the belt on most magnum cartridges. Hornady had made ammo for the 300RCM so it was easy for them to start the PRC series since they already had the tooling.
@@jfess1911 I may be wrong but I believe the 375 Ruger came out before the RCMs. It’s what started the still growing family that includes the under appreciated 416 Ruger, the RCMs and the PRCs.
Best balanced 7mm for me are 7x57, 284, 7mm-08, 7mm Dakota, 7mm Blaser by Norma. But I stay with the 224/243/264/270/30-range . No need for more.
The 7mm PRC has the match grade chamber and throat tolerances hence the great accuracy in factory rifles gives normal shooters a big advantages over other rounds.
The big benefit of the new designs is two fold. 1st, is a higher ballistic coefficient bullet. But that requires a faster twist rate for the best accuracy. 2nd, is to maintain accuracy and energy for hunting with lead free bullets.
There are other benefits like a shorter rifle size. Especially since suppressors are both becoming more popular. And offer hearing conservation for all in the shooting area. Besides the eliminated side blast from other recoil reduction devices.
At some point someone will determine what cartridge offers the; best energy down range, lowest recoil, best barrel life, and high accuracy. And then hopefully the market will drive down the price with high availability!
Thanks Ron sounds like a great cartridge for sure, but I will have to stick with my old 7mm Rem Mag which has served me well ever sense 1961 when I first purchased it!! The only bad thing about this 7 mm Rem Mag round is that the cases do not last long especially when loaded up to close to max loads, but mine is still pretty darn accurate for this old timer!!!
How is your brass not lasting?
@@SpudOutdoors I am just lucky to get three loads from a case??? They either split at the neck or are pulled or stretched brass at the base of the case.
@@rhuck37 anneal every time, bump shoulder 2 thou and for the base you need to run a Larry Willis die. If you do that depending on the loads Will determine your primer pocket. A good load without pressure signs should last 20 loads
10:43 Ron I have a 7mm that came from the factory with a custom barrel because they couldn’t make the barrels in 1962 when they came out. This rifle will shoot inside of a inch easily with the right ammunition so I don’t think I need a new rifle
I did it. I returned to the 7mm. I have to say today after a brief intro of 60 rounds, oh my goodness. Can it be? Plinking at 400 yards is boring. At 500 yards, it's a little more interesting. At 600 yards, okay time for some paying attention. I am fortunate that I have a large variety of terrain and almost unlimited distances at my disposal. Not only is this cartridge accurate, but the recoil is a pussy cat. Now shooting is more fun, but as I hike out through the hills, ravines, etc. planting targets to stalk and shoot from a variety of distances and angles I am getting in shape too. I might have to acquire another freezer to accommodate what I plan to do with this very inspiring rifle and cartridge.
I bet components will be hard to get for a while. Brass in particular!!!!
I can’t wait to try one, my long range rifle is 7mm STW right now
I would love to have one ! Maybe Soon Ron !
There will be people upset that this is not a 7-300 prc but…….. that just gives more options for wildcats. Imagine wanting a 25 cal with those new sleek bullets and having to choose between using the 6.5 creed case, the 6.5 prc case or the new 7 prc case. To overbore and beyond.
Yes
you can not forget about the 180 berger VLD hunting bullets
I like the 280 Ackley Improved with a 1 x 8 barrel twist setup and 24 inch long barrel.
Ive got a tikka t3x that i built with a 24” carbon barrel. Ive got it pretty cranked up and im getting 3080fps with a 162gr. I will be saying goodbye to it and threading on a 7prc once brass and loaded ammo starts hitting the shelf
I wish that you would talk about the Jap7.7 . I know it’s an old cartilage and using iron sights I was getting clover leafs at 100 yards. I have shot a white tail, and ruined both shoulders. I will never use it on deer anymore, but it is a great hog gun.
Where do you find amo ? Would like to play with mine. My dad brought it home at the end of world War 2. It's the only weapon of war I own. It just sits in the safe guns are made to shoot .
@@muskyhunter47 I get my local gun shop to order them.
I really enjoyed your elk hunt video you did with the 7mm Rem Mag, and I'd really like to see you do a hunting video like that with this new cartridge please!
I handload for my 7mm STW and I shoot 175gn at 3300 fps. I can get 0.5 MOA because the cases are only neck sized and neck turned lapua brass once fired from the rifle itself so they fit the chamber like a glove. really anything over 3,000fps is not really gaining anything other than more recoil for less and less range. honestly for hunting even in the wide open long fields anything over 500 yards is irresponsible for vast majority of hunters that struggle to hit a football at 200 yards (foot ball represents the kill zone on a typical whitetail).
This whole faster thing isnt really better. It reminds me of the 22 race wars a while back where the leader was a 223 WSSM at nearly 4700fps.
This us the only prc I was looking for
Well if it does what the other PRC it’s a winner. I personally have always like 7mm and I will be looking to get this rifle.
Every time I hear Ron say RSO TV. My mind always decodes RSO as Range Safety Officer. I imagine Range Safety Officer TV would be a channel with a bunch of old dudes asking to see the tax stamp for your muzzle brake, threatening to call the police about an illegal machine gun everyone someone shoots more than 1 round per second, and oiling every newbies 1911 with bad mags so heavily that it leaves oil stains on their clothes, "cause' they like to run wet."
So I have an old savage 116 I got from my grandfather before he passed. It's a pre accustock and has never been as accurate as I think it should be. Granted it got neglected in his closet in the humid south for decades. I mention this because it's a 7 rem mag and im strongly considering using the action in a modern stock after rebarreling it to 7 prc. Thus video basically dealer that decision. Seems like a perfect rebirth
Yup, 7MM cartridges r my fav... i shoot a custom .284 (first short mag) and can seat a full caliber and obtain a 3.050 OAL ... by not having to seat the bullet so deeply leaves me more powder space... yup this puppy has some gitty up go ...my tack driver to 400-500 yds
Hey Ron, I wish you would have talked about recoil with the round. How does it compare to 7mm rem mag?
What about the “clicker” issue with the SAAMI chamber at the 0.200” line? No one seems to be discussing it on the guntoob, but it’s all over the forums for all 3 PRCs…
A year on, a 7mm PRC looks like a great option for a long-ranger, the only problem is actually finding it.
Hi Ron it johan the 303br bullet that is also a type of 7mm bullet. Becoz here in south africa we doesnt get plenty of 303br ammo so my qustion is witch 7mm have a tecoil like the 243 wm or less
Dear Ron, it's a great thing to play with hand loads as you know. I have the competition for this cartridge in a 7mm Rem Mag using an 8 twist barrel that's 25" long and 184gr Berger bullets doing 2790fps. If I do my part it's very consistent .500 or better groups @100yd so I suppose that it's nice to be able to get factory loaded ammo that can achieve the same numbers. Good day to you sir, love your shows and I thank you.
How are you not getting over 3000fps. My 7 mag is doing 2910 with a 195gn Berger and that’s not even the best powder to use. I’d I had the right powder it would be over 3000.
@@SpudOutdoors I left room to go higher with my charge. I chose that weight because it works a little easier in competition.
@@bodaciousdiesel2100 that makes sense. I don’t mind when they talk about the 7 PRC and how it will be a good cartridge. My problem is when they lie about the 7 mag to make it look the PRC dominates it when that isn’t the case.
Ron, with every new kid out there you keep trying to talk me out of my .270....NOT gonna happen brother!
Good for you, Plaid.
I am thinking about going away from the .284 simply because I can’t find bullets for it. Who would have ever guessed the .284 diameter bullet would be hard to find?
I'd personally like to see how the 7prc stacks up against the 7saum. I'm assuming it's going to be another case of the 270wsm and the 6.8western?
With hornady pushing it, the cartridge will go mainstream, making availability go up and price stay down. I think 7prc will kill off 7saum and 7wsm for those two reasons alone.
With a custom 7 SAUM in a long-acton and fast twist barrel, the ballistics should be close. In SAAMI spec, not so much. The 7 SAUM SAAMI spec is a 1:9.25" twist barrel and OAL of 2.825" OAL. Also, I have heard that the PRC cartridges tend to feed a little better from magazines. George Gardner from G.A. Precision stated in.a recent interview that the 6.5 PRC, for example, feeds much better than the 6.5 SAUM.
Well this looks good so far and not a flop like the 224 valkyrie..
Short answer is yes, it is the best all around option, I have a 7-08 and likely will upgrade to this at somepoint
Nice of Hornady to introduce another efficient caliber. Considering I’ve yet to see any rifles or ammo in 6.5 PRC in my neck of the woods, I’m not holding my breath on this one.
Interested in this round because I want the new evoke rifle.
My favorite is 7mm Mauser, my Rolling Block is a go to.
I Fire a Weatherby 7mm Mag.
in a Pre 1960 Weatherby Mark 5!
Due to The Tight Tolerances and the rounded tapering of the Cartridges Neck, it fires at higher velocity, and mich flatter & more accurate than the 7mm Rem. Mag., while using the same Powder measure a Bullet type.
Strange How just that little tweak can make such a difference!
I would put it up against the new PRC Any Day!
Sad that people Don't talk about Weatherby much at all!
Although newer models aren't nearly of the same Quality, Weatherby is Still a Name to be Respected, despite the Price!
i’m ordering one ASAP
Can you get in Nosler partitions?
You can get Berger extreme outer limits bullets for 7 mm that are 195 grain fyi. Thank you for the video
In the 7 mag that bullet easily over 2900 and with the right powder over 3000
Thanks for the video