Autoimmune disease, chronic illness & the REAL polyvagal theory

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  • @gyorgybernard8647
    @gyorgybernard8647 29 днів тому +82

    I have IBD and my gastros never ask me about my life or stress. When I try to bring it up they suggests I see a psychologist. I have seen therapists and they don't get the relationship between IBD, trauma and stress. When I've brought up polyvagal theor, it was dismissed. I wish there was someone who could actually guide and counsel me who was able to connect the dots. It's frustrating because I read literature and watch videos on psychoneuroimmunology and polyvagal theory, but can't actually find anyone in practise that gets it. I really hope this changes soon. Or maybe I just need to study this and become the therapist that I need, for others. End rant.

    • @anthonywilliams5070
      @anthonywilliams5070 29 днів тому +28

      You need to become your own therapist. The Western medicine has no clue on how the mind body soul really works and they are all connected. The best is to do your own research on UA-cam. Spirituality can also be a great help for your trauma.

    • @gyorgybernard8647
      @gyorgybernard8647 29 днів тому +12

      @@anthonywilliams5070 Thank you. Honestly, that's kind of what I'm doing now. I just read and read and meditate and walk in nature and journal. I honestly think it's more effective and budget friendly too. Though if I did find someone who did polyvagal theory therapy who had a special interest in autoimmune conditions, I would check them out.

    • @libertystar7201
      @libertystar7201 29 днів тому

      ​@anthonywilliams5070 I agree, I have had an undiagnosed neurological condition for a decade and very early it became clear that their only solution was meds, when they didn't work they had nothing to offer. I have only recently come across the nervous system regulation work and it resonates deeply. The western medical model only knows what it knows and doesn't understand our system as a whole. We all need to start taking responsibility for our own health, I think that it's the only way..

    • @robster7012
      @robster7012 29 днів тому

      ​​@@gyorgybernard8647have you heard of Dr Joe Mather in New Orleans? He understands both. I have IBD as well and like you no doubt have been around the block and back too many times to mention.
      From a biochemical perspective I'm finding GI Repair really helpful by a company called LVLUP. All the best

    • @tiarianamanna973
      @tiarianamanna973 29 днів тому

      ​@@gyorgybernard8647 irene has many great resources you can use urself. But she could also advice on therapists who have this same knowledge. They do exist, though they are very few so far 🤐
      I am studying irene s smart body smart mind program, thats a very comprehensive way to actually become ur own therapist! Though if i had the money i certainly would work one on one with a therapist too 🤔

  • @avagrejon0413
    @avagrejon0413 29 днів тому +25

    I still can't believe how lucky I am to have ever found this work, I can now see how so many others miss all this important information out, thank you

  • @nicmax444
    @nicmax444 29 днів тому +18

    I just love this work. I’ve been feeling lots of flight energy today and yesterday in my stomach area for no apparent reason (I knew it was a release of old stress as I’m currently in the process of healing trauma and a chronic illness) but I didn’t know it was connected specifically to coming out of helplessness mode which I have been doing recently. It feels like all my social anxiety/fear is coming to the surface (even though I’m at home alone). Very cool. I love it when you stumble across the perfect video at the perfect time 🫶🏻

  • @tiabiamama
    @tiabiamama 27 днів тому +8

    I was 62 before I found out that my chronic crying as a baby (until I was weaned off the breast at 11 months) was from being addicted to my mom's anti depressives at birth (and beyond)that she was taking for a miscarriage that happened the year before I was born. She ended up pulling my good leg out of the socket by 30%, and the bad leg I can only imaging was at least 50%, as it prevented me playing tennis or volleyball or running track. I am still a crier whenever I am stressed or misunderstood. I have a lot of internal dialog that I am fearful of voicing to this day as i was always shouted down, ridiculed, blamed, scapegoated, etc. Living alone with pets has been my only escape.

  • @Serenity7250
    @Serenity7250 20 днів тому +2

    BRILLIANT. Thank you Irene.🙏🏻

  • @CreativeArtandEnergy
    @CreativeArtandEnergy 29 днів тому +11

    My integral doctors were the best thing I found outside of having access to somatic experts and trauma experts. I spent decades going back and forth to doctors that gave me the same runaround until I was diagnosed with chronic PTSD.

  • @tw5331
    @tw5331 23 дні тому +2

    Absolutely brilliant - everything about your teachings and education is! Saved me, thank you. A SBSM alumni is grateful beyond comprehension.

  • @christineewing3492
    @christineewing3492 29 днів тому +11

    Irene, you have no idea of how much I appreciate your explanations of what I so want to understand. I have cPTSD, I've had it all my life. I also have a PhD in biochemistry/immunology. My mind always goes to wanting to understand the physiological basis of say, polyvagal theory. It's taken me a long time to understand ventral and dorsal vagus tone.
    Thank you so much.

  • @chrisnam1603
    @chrisnam1603 29 днів тому +3

    Lots of grattitude from Belgium, yes all 'my' trauma's, ilness chronic fatique etc etc, is all related to narc attitude from my mom, and like a nother person advices here, i found it all myself, thanks to people like Irene, much good talks of the amazing sir Porges are in yt as well, it's healing, so harsh, my partner cant understand (is logic), it took me a lifetime and with him she is (ofc) nice & in public same, listening to Irene now - hearing your health problems, also u referred to book, i have 90 per cent of them... i know where they come from... argh.

  • @seeexy
    @seeexy 29 днів тому +3

    this title is so trueeeee came here to say this yeah ive been feeling always chronically ill w the trau

  • @alanfrancis9225
    @alanfrancis9225 16 днів тому

    Besides happening early in a child’s life it can happen ( as to me) In pre birth. I froze prior to being born. I was a double breach birth and basically got stuck. No one knew not even me. During a 10 day Vipassana retreat at 65 I experienced the tight rings of the umbilical cord surfacing around my neck. At the end of the sitting I went to the bathroom to look in the mirror. The scars around my neck were clearly visible. The rash is still there now. Only now am I starting to defrost. Of course a hell of a lot of stress has accumulated in my lifetime. My nervous system has to be managed to release this.
    Another point very important and not addressed is our life force energy. A month ago in another retreat I experience 7 hours of life force energy release. This is slowly transforming me. Few mention this incredible life force ( some call Kundalini) As a person freezes they have to repress this energy. As you defrost you will have to feel your pain. This creates the space for the Life Force energy to occupy its rightful space in your body.

  • @EugeniaPortobello
    @EugeniaPortobello 29 днів тому +2

    👏👏👏 you explain it so well

  • @northstarearthstar
    @northstarearthstar 28 днів тому +1

    Yes. I still feel I need to understand this much more ty❤ I just got Kathy Kains book Nurturing Resilience! Looking forward to reading that. Ty Irene!

  • @thepaintscrapers6741
    @thepaintscrapers6741 29 днів тому +5

    I've been praying all week against my symptoms and tryingnto ask God what is hiding deep within and he showed me it was anger and I praid please let it out move me in any way you can to help filter this out. Now in the past I have had moments where I have become emotional out of the blue over a lost memory but this was different I felt for an entire week flue like symptoms where my skin hurt to touch and I felt weak. Well at onempoint I went to sleep and woke up trembling and shaking with aexrreme anxiety attack throughout my entire body nothing triggered it but happened while in a deep sleep. I kept waking up and trying to self regulate and calm myself down. This happened 3 times in the night when I awoke in the am no more flue like sensitivity. I felt better but tired and rested all that day lots of sleep! Thank you jesus for this work! It's been 3 years since my trauma has ended and all the immune issues were settling in from its down time arriving. This process has changed my life ! And I have come leaps and bounds. Asthma no longer grips me and that was a year possess, mindfulness etc.

  • @seasonschangin
    @seasonschangin 28 днів тому +1

    Very good vlog ❤

  • @spoonman7324
    @spoonman7324 27 днів тому +2

    This education is gold, precious gold.

  • @shopwithmaja
    @shopwithmaja 28 днів тому +1

    As I was watching this I’d love to hear your take on unidentified cause high blood pressure, the nervous system and trauma :)

  • @clickertante9852
    @clickertante9852 29 днів тому +2

    It was Martin Seligmann who did the experiments with dogs and coined the term lerned helplessness.

  • @erwinvarga
    @erwinvarga 28 днів тому +2

    ​​Greetings beautiful IRENE

  • @gloriabarrett6476
    @gloriabarrett6476 29 днів тому +3

    Started doing this work in 2020-so sitting outside reading “Breath” by James Nestor ( Irene mentioned it in a training call) and decided to do “ cultivating the exhale” , got up from where I was lying on the deck and was hit by a wave of nausea (Jerry Seinfeld likes to puke more than me)! Yes, i threw up and have been laughing about it ever since 🤮😂

  • @carollecampeau4750
    @carollecampeau4750 25 днів тому

    Thank you

  • @christineewing3492
    @christineewing3492 29 днів тому +4

    What do you think about chronic skin conditions in relation to childhood trauma? I have something called nodular prurigo, the only treatment is topical cortisone. It has left my face quite scarred.

  • @earthsign7568
    @earthsign7568 28 днів тому +2

    A chaotic/chronically activated nervous system affects the immune system

  • @Me-nc8pp
    @Me-nc8pp 26 днів тому

    (Notes to myself:
    16:15 learned helplessness
    )

  • @GitJoziasse-x2t
    @GitJoziasse-x2t 28 днів тому +2

    No freeze flight no sleep.....till i get a black out

  • @alimadcatlady8842
    @alimadcatlady8842 27 днів тому +3

    fibromyalgia, chronic back pain, and migraine's. Toxic family . I no longer participate.
    Always trying to understand more.
    Im 46

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  22 дні тому

      @alimadcatlady8842, it sounds like you're setting boundaries in the name of self care. Sorry to hear about your pain.
      Many people who are drawn to Irene's work come with chronic symptoms, and this nervous system work often helps (and many times where other approaches haven't). I encourage you to explore further if the info resonates with you.
      I'll link to a free resource of Irene's to give you an example of a neurosensory practice.
      4 Simple Steps to Calm Overwhelm - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
      - Jen with Irene's Team

  • @Valerie-vt5rp
    @Valerie-vt5rp 22 дні тому

    I love your videos and the information you provide, and that you go into it deep, for the science geeks (like me), thank you! However, I think I noticed a small mistake, at 8:05 you are saying that the dorsal branch of the vagus nerve is not myelinated for it to have a quicker response. But from my knowledge myelination improves the speed of the action potential conduction. :)

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  19 днів тому +1

      @Valerie-vt5rp, thanks for pointing this out, great to hear that you're loving the info Irene provides!
      I checked the transcript around 8:05 and here's what Irene says:
      The other portion of the parasympathetic, the dorsal branch that governs our freeze response also governs our rest and digest. That nerve [branch] is not myelinated. It also slows up down, but it slows us down in a much more abrupt way. It’s slamming on the brakes, I can’t flee deer in the headlights freeze quick…
      This is accurate - the dorsal vagal branch is unmyelinated, and it also serves as a brake for the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) in a less refined, "sloppier" way than the myelinated ventral branch does. Hope this helps to clear things up. - Jen from Team Lyon

    • @Valerie-vt5rp
      @Valerie-vt5rp 19 днів тому +1

      @@IreneLyon​​⁠thanks for your response! I interpreted the „in a much more abrupt, quick way“ as in how quickly the information is sent through the body. I see how it could mean in a less „refined“ way. Anyway, the information sent through the nerves is mostly very fast, myelinated or not! :) Have a great day!

  • @totALLYcutecrafts
    @totALLYcutecrafts 27 днів тому +1

    Can you make a video going further into the mitral valve prolapse as a symptom of trauma? i have it and was told it was just something i was born with.

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  26 днів тому +1

      @totALLYcutecrafts, Jen here from Irene's Team. Thanks for sharing your request here - I'll pass it along. Irene does talk about changes that happened in her heart somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and link it here in case you want ot check it out.

    • @totALLYcutecrafts
      @totALLYcutecrafts 26 днів тому +1

      @ thank you!

  • @MonicaGunderson
    @MonicaGunderson 17 днів тому

    I have Ankylosing Spondylitis and the genetic gene marker for AS, and was born with congenital cervical spinal stenosis in my neck, AKA born with a narrow spinal canal in my neck. I survived child abuse and trauma. I was diagnosed late with my health issues at age 42. It's been a long road..... Being born with these, how does that connect with the childhood trauma and abuse?
    I also have Fibromyalgia, heart murmur, bilateral cubical tunnel, bilateral carnal tunnel, both SI joints are fused die to the AS. Interestingly, stepdad liked to spank me with a wooden paddle. My mom and I both wondered if the pain was caused by that as the pain started in my teen years. Yet, Ankylosing Spondylitis also begins it's symptoms during teen years. It is all interesting, and connected somehow.

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  13 днів тому

      @MonicaGunderson, Jen here from Irene's Team. I hear that you've been on a long road, and I'm glad you found your way to Irene and this work. You asked how being born with a narrow spinal canal relates to childhood trauma and abuse. It also sounds like you have an intuitive sense that things are connected somehow.
      While ancestral trauma and the conditions we experience in utero can play a role, we don't always know why things happen at birth (or even before). We do find that this work often helps overall health and quality of life. I'll link to an interview with Darla about her experience with this work and how it impacted her health and her life over time.
      Doctor's Can't Explain the Physical Healing that's Happening (Darla's Story) - ua-cam.com/video/46WutntmDP4/v-deo.html

  • @earthsign7568
    @earthsign7568 28 днів тому +3

    So if you can't rest, you can't digest

  • @stevie_89
    @stevie_89 21 день тому

    Hi thank you so much for this information do you have any thoughts on protracted anti depressant withdrawal syndromes? In my case constant dizziness and imbalance 24/7 for two years which seems to be related to vestibular autonomic dysfunction.

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  19 днів тому

      @stevie9y9y, Jen here from Irene's Team. Sorry to hear about the symptoms you've been experiencing over the last two years - that sounds rough. This work may help with withdrawal-related symptoms as it helps to grow nervous system regulation and capacity, and to lessen autonomic dysfunction.
      I'll link to a related interview with Holly and her journey with withdrawal from Benzos in case you want to check it out.
      Recovering from benzodiazepines, healing anxiety & PTSD. SBSM Success Stories - ua-cam.com/video/YR-EVjq_G10/v-deo.html

  • @eleanor4759
    @eleanor4759 24 дні тому

    To befriend your pain you first have to befriend your boredom!

  • @johnsaul3021
    @johnsaul3021 26 днів тому

    I’m not quite squaring with the low-tone dorsal state vs. the whole of the Ventral Vagal. What sets those two apart? Does it come down to definitions, or, well… please advise. 🙏🏽

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  22 дні тому

      @johnsaul3021, the different branches of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) and their related functions are postulated by Stephen Porges in this Polyvagal Theory.
      In short, ventral vagal physiology enables us to feel connected (to ourselves, others, the world around us) and to feel safe in this connection.
      Depending on how much of the dorsal vagal branch is "on", it will either support restful sleep, healthy digestion and regeneration (low-tone) or it will shift us into freeze and conservation physiology (high-tone), the extreme end of which is where we go unconscious.
      I'll link to one of Irene's videos where you can learn more, and sometimes the best way to learn more is to do the work and start to feel the differences within oneself.
      The Polyvagal Theory. Explained. - irenelyon.com/2019/09/14/the-polyvagal-theory-explained/
      - Jen from Irene's Team

  • @caglabatur
    @caglabatur 23 дні тому

    MSc of what?

    • @caglabatur
      @caglabatur 23 дні тому

      Oh biomedical... sure don't write the major but just the title so people can easily thing MSc in mental health field

  • @KebaabetswePhithi
    @KebaabetswePhithi 27 днів тому

    On the point of trauma past experiences, could it be an issues of joking, action related to that, maybe, like, slapping someone, scaring them as a just yoga response..yanka puurr , ?? How is that in south Dakota?

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  22 дні тому

      @KebaabetswePhithi, I think I hear you asking if someone joking around in a way that can be scary or startling could have an lasting effect on someone - if this is the case, then yes, this is possible. It depends on the context (what else is happening at the time) and on someone's personal history and unique nervous system. - Jen here from Irene's Team

  • @ckatt352
    @ckatt352 29 днів тому +3

    I struggle with fainting, what can I do to prevent it ?

    • @chrisnam1603
      @chrisnam1603 29 днів тому

      it happens to me now & than as wel, sometimes not realising being SO overwhelmed, stressed, afraid, that body says 'no no', silent now

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  26 днів тому

      @ckatt352, Jen here from Irene's Team. From a nervous system perspective, fainting usually tells us that we are shifting into freeze/conservation physiology. When we take steps to grow nervous system capacity and regulation - and learn how to work with survival responses such as the freeze response - we can often change this (and a lot more!).
      I'll link to a video where Irene talks about freeze, to a free resource that you might check out, and to Irene's 21 Day self-study program in case you want to learn to work with your own nervous system.
      How to Come Our of a Chronic Freeze Response - irenelyon.com/2022/08/24/how-to-come-out-of-a-chronic-freeze-response-after-repeated-stress-trauma/
      4 Simple Steps to Calm Overwhelm - irenelyon.com/4-steps-to-calm-overwhelm/
      21 Day Nervous System Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/

  • @Stillwater1967
    @Stillwater1967 26 днів тому

    Ehlers Danlo is genetic. Do childhood traumas “turn on” these defective genes? Can’t be cured, believe me I have it

    • @IreneLyon
      @IreneLyon  22 дні тому

      @Stillwater1967, Jen here from Irene's Team. Current research is finding that our experiences (including how our nervous system develops) turns gene markers on, and that in some cases these markers can also be turned off when we create the right conditions, including growth in nervous system regulation and capacity. There's some good research out there if the topic is of interest to you.

  • @sandrawilson3857
    @sandrawilson3857 28 днів тому +1

    Gabor Mate says the same thing

  • @deevnn
    @deevnn 27 днів тому +2

    Utter nonsense...just one more fad in the world of psychotherapy.

    • @sharang747
      @sharang747 26 днів тому +3

      Can you explain more why this is utter nonsense I’d like to know why you think so?

    • @donnafoster5215
      @donnafoster5215 20 днів тому

      Agree, it’s a fad because it doesn’t really offer solutions. The Hawaiian ho’oponopono is a much better option. The cause is always within and the solution is to realize to we are playing a part in problem. I’m sorry, please forgive me, thank you, and I love you. Four cleansing statements that focus on restructuring our world.

    • @jameberlin8539
      @jameberlin8539 16 днів тому

      ​@@donnafoster5215 did you watch the video? She speaks on our responsibility to identify and create the situations that bring us out of collapse. I don't see how this is a fad, it's built on science and reality and vindicates some ancient teachings