Picard might sit on a Captain's chair, like a King on a throne . But, he is also human enough to admit, when he is wrong..when he needs help..and when he needs to ask, not to order..
The el capitain commands the starship Enterprise but he's subject to Starfleet. Any deviation from his command would immediately subject him to be reprimanded and the loss of his command. Big job requires big responsibilities.
@@Novarcharesk I don’t see how that’s a separate issue. The Romulan clearly doesn’t want the transfusion the doctor is supposed to respect the patient’s wishes. That should end the discussion.
Worf is flawed, and that makes him such a great character. His backstory isn't just to fill conversation, his parents were killed by Romulans and he's prepared to stare down Picard rather than forget.
This episode illustrated the difference between humans on one side, and Klingons and Romans on the other. Inability of Klingons and Romulans to find a moral centre, makes them blind for any other solution of problems but retaliation, blood revenge and continuous politics of antagonism.
But following Worf’s refusal, Picard said “Lieutenant…that will be all”. No order was made, and there was mutual respect between them. Oh and the Romulan died. 😅
As captain, Picard had the positional authority to order him to do so. Worf, as a crew member, recognizes and accepts Picard's positional authority. Picard saying "I don't want to order you to do so," is his admission that he would rather operate from moral authority and personal respect than from positional authority and respect "for the office."
I hate these propaganda clips. The many forced people the fight in the gladiatorial games for their amusement. If I were God, the many would be living in caves right now, eating bugs.
@jamieSp69 it's StarTrek, in that universe slavery ended a lot sooner on their Earth, homelessness is not a problem and euthanasia is mandatory for sociopaths and phicopaths.
Worf's anger towards the Romulans run deep past his soul? Picard should have ordered him and ruin the episode? But everything went fine. The Romulan captain was great? From THE FUGITIVE.
The woman who got pregnant by a guy who had seven different baby mamas, why on earth would you put that out on UA-cam? TikTok? Whatever way anyone could see it publicly? That is literally a kin to admitting that this person who easily fooled other women fooled you, that is like saying your moron. And then saying what was me consequences.how could you even do that? How can you publicly admit that you're amor? I just don't understand.
@@bethmccall823This type of scene with well developed characters addressing a moral quandary is not the sort of thing you see much in the newer iterations of Star Trek.
@@rustybones5540 These were the only reasons Patrick Stewart would do these shows, the moral dilemmas, and the debates. How they talked him into the X-Men is anybodies guess, but he IS Professor Charles Xavier!
Sometimes the decision made for the good of the many is an immoral decision. I don’t remember this episode, but I’m just saying. I hear this thinking in Star Trek a lot. It’s not always true.
Cultures sometimes change so that wrong things are right. Some things are just wrong. For a lot of people, religion is the thing that stands against the world. Too, the collectivism of the “needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” kinda resonates with socialistic or communistic ideologies. If you prepared for a disaster, would it be ok for the city government to come take your food and distribute it to the town and claim you are hoarding? For me it’s the religious or political things that get me. I’m big on personal responsibility.
Can't remember the exact episode but I remember the premise is they have an injured Romulan and he needs a blood transfusion. Worf is the only one that is compatible but since they killed his family he refuses.
A sacrifice made BY an individual is one thing, but a sacrifice made OF an individual is wrong. It's why I've always disliked the phrase "the needs if the many .." Where a minority (or one) is valued less than a majority eventually bad sh*t happens.
You could call that a "hollow victory", yes? Nothing of substance would be won. Picard never wanted a crew of people who just follow orders, there are references to historic atrocities with that exact line in the show. It goes against, like, his _entire_ character.
That phrase sounds nice on the surface, but truly, it is an evil statement. It erases the individual and overwhelms them with a supposed majoritarian view. That is unacceptable.
I don't think they were saying that in this episode though. He just said the good of the many is part of what has has to balance when making a decision. If the good of the many ALWAYS outweighed the need of the few, he wouldn't be suggesting this was a hard decision
I loved Worf in this episode: "Then he will die."
Drago : If he dies, he dies.
I think both of them are cool, especially in this particular situation because they respect each other and there is no deception in that truth😊
Picard: owning it since 41153.7!
Picard might sit on a Captain's chair, like a King on a throne . But, he is also human enough to admit, when he is wrong..when he needs help..and when he needs to ask, not to order..
An interesting juxtaposition. This was a good episode.
The el capitain commands the starship Enterprise but he's subject to Starfleet. Any deviation from his command would immediately subject him to be reprimanded and the loss of his command. Big job requires big responsibilities.
I remember this episode when it aired. I was always on Worf's side.
Is it wrong that this makes me want to rewatch all of The Orville?
yes, orivle is crap
@@cikicar nope, orville it worthy
The Romulan didn’t want the transfusion. The doctor is supposed go with what the patient wants.
That’s a separate issue. They can work on both fronts to persuade them.
@@Novarcharesk I don’t see how that’s a separate issue. The Romulan clearly doesn’t want the transfusion the doctor is supposed to respect the patient’s wishes. That should end the discussion.
@@jimmcclements5229 If he changed his mind then it would be useful to have had this side of the argument already dealt with.
@@Zikar That does make sense.
I love Trek, but sometimes, for an outfit that's about respecting cultures and beliefs......🤔🖖🏾
Worf is so kool
I like the way picard said that ive bookmarked that in my memories should i need to say it someday
Honor always......Worf.
To be fair, the Romulan said he would rather die than have Klingon blood save him. So Worf offering his blood is a mootpoint.
Are not Romulins more closely related to Vulcans? Better blood?
Good for Worf!
Worf seem to have learned his lessons and became a better Starfleet Captain himself. He was an apprentice of Admiral Picard. 😂
That's Star Trek.
What's wrong Picard??? Cant Mentally Manipulate or Gasslight Worf??? TIME for a VISIT from Q!!!! You NEED another LESSON Picard....
Worf is flawed, and that makes him such a great character. His backstory isn't just to fill conversation, his parents were killed by Romulans and he's prepared to stare down Picard rather than forget.
This episode illustrated the difference between humans on one side, and Klingons and Romans on the other. Inability of Klingons and Romulans to find a moral centre, makes them blind for any other solution of problems but retaliation, blood revenge and continuous politics of antagonism.
*_Im surprised he wasn't more insulted they even implied they were similar!!??_*
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#Klingon_Vs_Romulan.!?
These are probably my two favorite characters?
If you are willing to make it an order then you were never actually asking.
But following Worf’s refusal, Picard said “Lieutenant…that will be all”. No order was made, and there was mutual respect between them.
Oh and the Romulan died. 😅
Oder is to complain
As captain, Picard had the positional authority to order him to do so. Worf, as a crew member, recognizes and accepts Picard's positional authority.
Picard saying "I don't want to order you to do so," is his admission that he would rather operate from moral authority and personal respect than from positional authority and respect "for the office."
So Starfleet can order an officer to forsake their bodily autonomy by command. Is this not fascism?
"I don't want to order you.." Implies he will if it comes down to it.
Except Picard never does. The short cuts off right before he dismisses Worf, with no order given.
No, it doesn’t.
Except he doesn't. In fact he tells Crusher to stop harassing Worf about it, right before she tells him her patient is dead.
And here's the reality version
"The wants of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
No, the reality version is that "the wants of the few outweigh the needs of the many."
Welcome to Capitalism baybeeeeee
@@TheTechReactor that's not capitalism that's marxism
I hate these propaganda clips. The many forced people the fight in the gladiatorial games for their amusement. If I were God, the many would be living in caves right now, eating bugs.
@jamieSp69 it's StarTrek, in that universe slavery ended a lot sooner on their Earth, homelessness is not a problem and euthanasia is mandatory for sociopaths and phicopaths.
@@johnniebaldwin6117 spoken like a true dunning kruger.
Just a re-hash of Spock's quote, "The needs of many, outweigh the needs of a few".
Picards version of "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few" saying in the star trek movie.
If the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual than you’ve completely justified the Borg. Yeah, I don’t think so.
Worf's anger towards the Romulans run deep past his soul?
Picard should have ordered him and ruin the episode?
But everything went fine. The Romulan captain was great? From THE FUGITIVE.
Curious how this scene would have played if it happened after the "there are four lights" episode.
The woman who got pregnant by a guy who had seven different baby mamas, why on earth would you put that out on UA-cam? TikTok? Whatever way anyone could see it publicly? That is literally a kin to admitting that this person who easily fooled other women fooled you, that is like saying your moron. And then saying what was me consequences.how could you even do that? How can you publicly admit that you're amor? I just don't understand.
Star Trek, wth happened to you... 😢
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@@bethmccall823This type of scene with well developed characters addressing a moral quandary is not the sort of thing you see much in the newer iterations of Star Trek.
Gynocentricism and the " woke " agenda.
It was just this type of moral wrestling that made ST the best....then wokeness stepped in
@@rustybones5540 These were the only reasons Patrick Stewart would do these shows, the moral dilemmas, and the debates.
How they talked him into the X-Men is anybodies guess, but he IS Professor Charles Xavier!
Sometimes the decision made for the good of the many is an immoral decision.
I don’t remember this episode, but I’m just saying. I hear this thinking in Star Trek a lot. It’s not always true.
That’s an interesting thought- care to elaborate? Not trolling or anything, just really interested in understanding your point of view
Cultures sometimes change so that wrong things are right. Some things are just wrong. For a lot of people, religion is the thing that stands against the world. Too, the collectivism of the “needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” kinda resonates with socialistic or communistic ideologies. If you prepared for a disaster, would it be ok for the city government to come take your food and distribute it to the town and claim you are hoarding? For me it’s the religious or political things that get me. I’m big on personal responsibility.
@@locobob, see above comment. I kept getting errors trying to reply to you.
@@jimmorrison306 100% agree with you
I don't think they were saying the good of the many necessarily made a decision moral. Just that it's one aspect he has to balance in the equation.
For whom was the transfusion meant?
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majoritarian.....
Which episode?
Can't remember the exact episode but I remember the premise is they have an injured Romulan and he needs a blood transfusion. Worf is the only one that is compatible but since they killed his family he refuses.
The enemy. Geordi is trapped on a planet with another Romulan and they have to help each other to get off the planet.
A sacrifice made BY an individual is one thing, but a sacrifice made OF an individual is wrong. It's why I've always disliked the phrase "the needs if the many .." Where a minority (or one) is valued less than a majority eventually bad sh*t happens.
There should never have been a discussion he should never had asked . Give the order and that’s it
You could call that a "hollow victory", yes? Nothing of substance would be won.
Picard never wanted a crew of people who just follow orders, there are references to historic atrocities with that exact line in the show. It goes against, like, his _entire_ character.
worf was great, picard also and crusher deserved to be prosecuted and jailed
Why?
Politics wasn’t her job, and neither was managing Worf’s feelings.
@@niccolom he allready told her that he refuses and assholle kept on pressing, alarming both riker and picard...
That phrase sounds nice on the surface, but truly, it is an evil statement. It erases the individual and overwhelms them with a supposed majoritarian view. That is unacceptable.
I don't think they were saying that in this episode though. He just said the good of the many is part of what has has to balance when making a decision. If the good of the many ALWAYS outweighed the need of the few, he wouldn't be suggesting this was a hard decision