Blizzard's final nail in the coffin..
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Microtransactions? Those are Macrotransactions.
And people will still pay for it.
always have been
The micro in microtransaction was never for the price but for the items you get in return for your money.
Right, I buy whole indie games for that price.
And all of this in a buy to play game (in case of retail) with mandatory subscription
Let's also not forget 50$ for basic account services and customer support being practically unusable with massive lag and response wait time counted in days just to get an automated message
Honestly baffling how some people are still defending this
For added perspective: $10-25 is the price range of most indie games
Yep, as another comment put it Blizzard needs to just start calling them macrotransactions. When they have things that cost more than the initial game, it's no longer micro in any way.
For added perpective: $10-25 is the price range of most of my shopping carts for a week. They're completely insane with those prices.
I love to remind myself that hollow knight was 15 bucks and both dlc's were free.
In hearthstone you could buy 2 diamond cards for the measly cost of 100$. The good one was gated behind the bad one BTW. A deck is 30 or 40 cards. There are 11 classes and thousands of cards total.
Who care about Indie games when you can give more money to multi billions dollar company for the item that you doesn't need in the game that you no longer enjoy?
Madseason: "I told you so."
Vindication has never felt worse. Fuck blizzard honestly.
I get that it is annoying and I hate it, HOWEVER, I don't understand how this is a nail in the proverbial coffin. Whales will be supporting classic now, right?
@@RecklessFableswhat?
@@RecklessFablesblud is talking about whales supporting the game as if wow was free to play 💀💀💀
@@RecklessFables I wouldn't pay much attention to the doomer titles. Its just clickbait to get people to click lol
@@RecklessFables Nah it's just one of the many nails. Blizzard can abuse their whales all they want, they've ruined all good will with their previous fans.
Do you remember when "Microsoft will fix Blizzard"
Pepperridge farm remembers.
Someone thought Microsuck would FIX WoW??? 😳😳😳😂😂😂 wtF?! Really???! 😂😂😂
@@JohnDoe-qv3rfSO MANY PEOPLE did, fucking insane
@bakedandbeaded wow you're right that Is insane and terrifying 😳
Yeah it is :/
pretty sure they meant fix the gameplay, not remove the store.
I find it so crazy that the mounts cost more than most indie devs full games
yeah thats wild when you think about it lol
The wild thing is people buying those mounts
I wonder if that mount is more enjoyable than Terraria or Minecraft
Probably because Blizzard is full of prima donnas who pay for 10$ coffees and stuff of that nature. They think hey I gotta pay for all this bs in my lifestyle ill let the fans pay for it.
to be fair, wow's not the only MMO doing this. Noone complaining about expensive stuff in ffxiv's shop or ESO's shop though.
It ain't just wow fans that are cooked. The entire MMO genre is cooked. They're NEVER coming back. bois
That Coffin has so many nails in it that it's basically turned into an Iron Anvill.
Nailed it
It's now a iron maiden.
The Great Anvil (in Iron Forge)
Hahah
Hehehe minecraft reference
This is an actual genius move by blizzard. In fact *puts on tin foil hat* I'm willing to bet this is the entire reason they greenlit classic in the first place. 2 separate instances of wow running at the same time means 2 shops and the ability to sell the SAME ITEM to the SAME PERSON, TWICE. Also you can get people to spend twice as much time on your game farming the same mount again!
Yeah, this was 100% Blizzard's endgame from the start. Knowing full well their customers are cavernous dent-heads, who will dutifully open their velcro wallets and obediently buy all of the nonsense. Twice over.
Ah so paying for a sub for a game that you already played, finished and quitted altogether 20 years ago doesnt fall in the category? You got it now?
It's not genius to slap on a cash shop on games people enjoy.
Depending on how cooked the fanbase is(which in WoWs case is immeasurable) it's obvious that it'll make big bucks for basically zero effort.
Everyone knows this.
Quitted 😁
The two of you are in agreement across the board. How did you still manage to still get miffed?!
I think you...quitted...before you finished reading his comment.
They know their audience.
This aint even the "Final Nail". there are multiple nails in the coffin
There's so many nails you may as well call it an iron maiden
I mean, not to be that guy, but doesn't "the final" already imply that there have been many before?
You can say it's more a death of a thousand cuts.
Duh there’s nails in it. You’ve missed out on so much you’re just here for the final nail.
, I wonder when Blizzard well make Starcraft 3
I don't think you can even blame Blizzard here. People buy this stuff, consumers want it.
If it wasn't profitable it wouldn't be a thing.
uhm hello? not blame blizzard? god you're so dumb. NOBODY WANTS THIS SHIT. blizzard doesnt give a shit about quality anymore, they are 100% to blame for this.
do you work at blizzard by any chance?
It's what the people want most.
Sadly.
guess there's enough rich parents out there not paying any attention to their credit card statements to make this worth blizzard's while 😄
You should look at what you're eating but its still illegal to put razors in peoples food, you see what I'm saying here?
Remember when a monthly subscription was enough money to pay for the game's running cost and future development?
Those were the days...
but but but it cost so much to run a game lol
not blizzard fault... it is the playerbase fault
didnt know you are forced to pay for store mounts to play the game
@@leaguescrub5696 that kind of reasoning is exactly what leads to the actual casinos that korean mmos are
And it's not like it's an AAA next-gen game that has detailed characters, sculpted and converted into 50k polygon models. 🤣
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy”
Oops, turns out it's just logic. Oh well! Remember! You will own nothing and be happy!
Fun fact, it isn't automatically a logical fallacy but simply CAN be a logical fallacy, it just depends on how accurate the prediction is.
@@MCC17011 The problem is that it's treated as a logical fallacy even when it's 100% accurate. It should never be treated as a logical fallacy.
Thing is, it never was a big deal anyway.
Also, the WoW Token will go down in gaming history as one of the most misunderstood features ever.
Every time I see some form of "WoW Token is legal RMT and fuels the bots" post somewhere I'm reminded just how little people think before they post something on the internet.
never should have been considered as such. Waaaay to circumstancial
Time to wait for the WoW Classic Classic
It exists its called Project Epoch
@@fitbloodproject epoch is dead on arrival! TWoW ftw!
@@revolverlynx8150 twow SUCKS ASS.
all private servers suck and are useless.
Not if they are adding more macrotransactions
no, you don't want that, you think you do, but you don't
"And they are hungry" 😂😂😂😂😂
Deathwing is not pleased. He wants to end Azeroth now.
"Final Nail in the Coffin" yeah I heard that like 30 times so far. You don't believe this yourself, do you?
Every single person who pays 25$ for a mount, in a 20 year old game, for a addon which has been originaly released 14 years ago and just been re-released, because the Studio is unable to create anything new... should be put on a list of people who are not allowed to use the internet on their own and should be required to have an trained person sitting next to them. They already paid a monthly fee... to play a 14 year old addon... Blizzard literally copy&pasts their old code... migrate it a little bit and still charge you money... you've already paid 14 years ago, AGAIN! And people still give them additional money for a mount wich has been created within 30min by a bored designer.. bro.,. WTF?
go live in China then? you are supporting game by watching videos and everything you are like them so
Yeah, many of these people have mental health problems and Blizzard is actively cashing in on it. It's like a local bar getting people addicted to alcohol and taking advantage of their alcoholism, or a casino getting people addicted to slot machines. It's predatory and disgusting, always has been, and because these people are still classified as "functioning adults" they continue to keep the system in place attacking people who try to call for an intervention.
@@kurrwa Bro what? Me watching a clip were people make fun of something is support the thing they made fun of? What...?
What is the issue? Some people like replaying a game with a different skin on it. This just gives the optional opportunity for that. We also pay 20 buck costumes for single player roleplaying games, just so the second playthrough can look a bit different.
@@Brandwein42 If you legitimately cannot find the issue with paying 25 dollars for a skin, you are part of the problem. You either have been Stockholmed by Blizzard (and all other MMO publishers for that matter) into finding it acceptable to be robbed blind of your money, or you are on their payroll to ensure the whales keep being robbed blind.
You are paying money for something you could just add on for free. That is the problem.
What is wrong with those people in the forums!? That is my biggest suprise, not the shop itself.
Paid actors
@@Krelian89 More like paying actors, need $15 sub to post on the official forums.
I've always been pretty harsh on Blizz loyalists, d-riders, and cultists for a longtime. And unfortunately there's nothing you can say or do that will make these people change their minds, it's like they've been brainwashed by Blizz and are willing to 100% accept whatever decisions Blizz make, no matter how controversial or bad the decision is for the health of the game
Bots, hired by blizzard.
shouldnt be surprising, wows playerbase are a bunch of whales and its been like this for years
The coffin was already nailed shut and buried with level boost and wow token. This is just them taking a piss on classics grave
who wants to level up a character in garbage zones like a classic? I gave up after the first classic it was such chore waste of time
@@kurrwa Oh, I don't know. Maybe people who are looking to play the CLASSIC version of the game...? You know, the literal and entire point of having classic servers?
@@kurrwa the game is not about endgame only like retail. classic is back when the game was good and it was about the whole experience, not farming dungeons and raids 24/7
@@TeeIeh I see your point, but also blizzard isn't your friend it's a business to make profit from product. so you shouldn't be surprised they are monetizing your nostalgia feeling
@@kurrwa they make this stuff for retail bois like you not the classic players.
Ironically enough private classic servers at least made sure that their mounts somewhat look like classic mounts, Blizz can't even do that.
and private servers fake pop and if there isnt a ingame shop they have gold sellers botting selling gold then those botters pay the server owners.
@@EternalAngel333 So just like Blizzard then? (except the fake pop)
@@emperorwisel4842 execept blizzard do ban botters last banwave was 1.5 months ago and hit many private bots that people usually pay 200-500$ to even use and get invited to and today people are still struggling not to scide accounts they are botting bc warden got updated and is going mental banning people with lua unlockers
@@EternalAngel333 which pserver fakes pop?
@@Kaasai1 Warmane I guess
Honestly the biggest problem isn't the store or whaterver extra monetization being added, the problem is that they do absolutely nothing with that money
Game isn't even treated as an investment but instead as a way to siphon money onto the CEOs pockets which is disgusting
The final nail in the coffin was the wow token many years ago. All the extra steps since that time are just beating a dead horse reduced to ashes.
The first nail in the coffin was the introduction of a shop. I think that was back in Wrath.
@@divinecomedian2 At least those who bought the sparkle pony were bullied mercilessly back then. The only people left playing WoW in 2024 are the turbowhales who love getting opportunities to give Blizzard more money.
Bro this isn't a nail in the coffin, this is a full blown rail road spike.
it wont affect a fking thing.
8million pop across all wow modes.. nope not gonna change a thing after the crap they put the pop through and the pop is rising !? yeah dont hold ur breath the real milking aint even started yet xD and deserved btw milk them blizz
During Wrath Classic I remember watching world chat arguing over the level boost being a slippery slope to the token and eventual shop and end of what made classic special. Many people were making excuses or just outright supporting blizzard. Just seemed it was obviously going to get worse so I quit.
Blizzard does this again and again because enough players support it. It is one thing to watch Blizzard do this stuff. Its another to watch the players support them.
what made classic special was being peoples first mmo and mass social experience in 2004
yep alot of people saw this coming
who cares
Slippery slopes are always true.
Remember, history repeating itself is not a slippery slope.
"Hmmm, do I want to buy 2 months of a membership to a subscription service like HBO Max, or Paramount +, or do I want a silly worm in a video game? Decisions, decisions, decisions..."
I'd definitely go for the silly worm, many many hours of enjoyment fo sure!!
Imagine paying for something that the pirates do way better for free.
hope this never happens to oldschool runescape... classic wow was such a huge hit, its so sad to see the devs shoot it in the leg
i mean, it's happened before to osrs. you must be new. Never forget the JMOD who was selling gold and stolen accounts to buy cars and shit IRL.
Never trust Jagex, even if the old school team is great. NEVER trust jagex. Any real OG runescape player will tell you this
Hopefully Jagex isn't that stupid, OSRS has almost 2x the player base as RS3. I think they know how foolish that would be.
@@zukazealanee Oh my sweet summer child. Jagex absolutely is that stupid if not more.
@@acaustic Why do you think it hasn't happened? OSRS has been around since 2013, has more players than RS3 and 99% of the content added has been by community vote. There is a difference between stupid and greedy, obviously they are greedy, all big companies are. But if they haven't added a cash shop in over a decade it's likely because they know it would ABSOLUTELY kill the golden goose that is OSRS.
It was over the moment it started -- modern Blizzard, and modern players.
There is no going back to how it was.
when they cancelled blizzcon, i allowed myself the slightest glimmer of hope that a course correction was inbound... wrong.
I remember how a friend of mine helped me farm quests and achievements that unlocked special mounts. She loved doing that, and we had a lot of fun. Let Blizzard go. Appreciate what was made in the past but stop holding out hope that it will come back, because it’s not.
wild that's kinda like call of duty new generation of players no frame of reference
There is and there was. Nost managed to capture the original game with modern players. It is exclusively Blizzard that is the problem.
This coffin has something like 30 "final" nails at this point.
It's more nails than coffin at this point, but hopium never truly dies, somehow.
The coffin looks more like an iron maiden at this point.
look, it takes a lot of nails to build a coffin, okay
"No Changes"
Blizzard truly is a pioneer. After all these years I finally have the opportunity to not just pay for a WoW sub twice, but to also buy my store mounts twice.
I'm already done with WoW and WoW classic. Final nail in the coffin is a good way to put it, because I'm not coming back.
Next thing you know they'll be selling Scarab Lord for 30 bucks.
Where can i buy it?
@@tegridyfarmer2581kekw
Title and mount.
that would be a big middlefinger to scarablords
Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't done that already.
Damn, this coffin is looking more akin to an Iron Maiden with all these nails being hammered in
Tbf, this was how wrath and cata on was. The store made it's debut then.
I swore off Blizzard years ago. I have yet to regret my decision.
Vanilla was like $30, a single mount $25
"A fool and his money..."
Remember when spectacular/rare mounts used to be signs of achievement?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Get ready for Classic classic WoW with classic classic WoW Plus+ coming soon ™
What in the actual fk y'all doing!? PUT THAT COFFIN BACK INTO THE GROUND!
Casual gamers ruined gaming
Non-gamer business-first execs ruined gaming, not casual gamers.
@@kyoai Didn't you watch the video? They keep adding this because casuals love it.
@@kyoai who would business-first execs sell to if we didnt have pathetic casuals who slurp the slop? oh wait that logic is likely too deep for you
how sad, a store mount that doesn’t give any competitive advantage whatsoever 😢. Grow up, stop being an elitist for no reason
@@geemo "Just let the billion dollar company prey upon you with overpriced knick-knacks ontop of monthly subscriptions. You're an elitist if you complain!" nice
When Classic Era gets a shop, its over.
Can't wait for Wow Classic 2 where they re-release the same game again for the third time, it's actually genius if you think about it
/spit on that mount
It's the prices that has always blown me away with blizzard.
A "bad" mount isn't 4.99, it's 15. A good mount isn't 9.99. It's 25. Prices for the game we pay monthly for, is just so massive and have been for all of wow's lifespan.
The sad part is the reaction of the players who will buy this up and feed this garbage. It will never end if they support it. Thats the problem with macro / micro transactions. People buy them. Why would a studio NOT do it, if they can spend 20 hours of development time and sell each item for $10 - $25 when tens of thousands of hours would be required to make an expansion or new game.
There’s a sucker born every minute. I used to work with a guy who spent over $2,000 on clash of clans.
“Final nail”
Took them only 486 nails to close the coffin;
which is also the most effort blizzard put into anything in for years.
Wasnt wotlk also the first time they sold a mount? It starts all over again
its not the final nail in the coffin, not even close. It won't be until people stop buying it.
Asmond out here ready to farm every nail in this coffin to the very last.
The fact that people are eating it up too. I think these are the same people that complain about capitalism guys...
Blizzard stopped making gaming decisions long ago and since then, they've only made business decisions.
The crazy thing is, these prices look super cheap when you're used to seeing f2p gacha mobile game prices
Absolute insanity that retail is pretty much just getting a cloned version of itself with its own store.
So many of us old wow players had our final nail in the coffin a decade ago. Crazy to see people still playing this corpse of a game.
Blizzard: how can we make the community hate us more?
Nothing beats my murkie pet from the first blizcon. Watching him do that dance with the cane and top hat cracked me up everytime.
we had a good run, i loved classic and i also loved SOD first season. now its time to lay wow down to rest again. thanks for the memories lads.
This is more like the 3rd bolt in a row snaps while screwed in and you're just sitting there wondering how this all went wrong
The saddest part of all this, is that there is people that not only buy it, but they're happy and think it's good that they added this, it's not surprising that most games are bad, when consumers have next to 0 critical thinking and don't respect themselves, companies can just do whatever they want, and most people will just accept it and pay, this is not only Blizzard's fault, consumers are the ones that are accepting all this trash in games, that yes, makes games worse, because it gives an incentive to the devs to create a problem to solve it via cash shop... Blizzard might be sus for doing it, but consumers are stupid for letting it happen.
Pay the game expansions, Pay for expansions, Pay monthly subscription to play the game, NOW YOU'LL PAY FOR MICROTRANSACTIONS! What a time to be alive
I got most of this stuff from the TBC boost thing some years back, the dark portal hearth, path of illidan toy and the kinda phase lizard mount
Shutting down potential studios, selling items in games. They think this will solve their financial problem, typical corporate thinking that will destroy their own
few things feels worse than seeing the game you loved as a kid get completely destroyed by greed TWICE.
They not only didn't learn their lesson, they fucking doubled down on it. I wish them the worst i really do
According to PirateSoftware back when he worked at Blizzard, the first premium paid mounts for WoW made Blizzard more money than all of StarCraft 2. So yeah, that's why they're doing this. It's infinitely more money for infinitely less work, and because Blizzard are practically professional whalers at this point, their audience eats this shit up.
I think this is the 4th variation in the last yr of an Asmongold clip that says this will kill WoW or Blizz etc etc. Yet he continues to play WoW
Nah man, Asmon is wrong on this take.
Selling cosmetics as one way to get running income for a live service game is just the best monetization model.
- It's infinitely much better than selling P2W items.
- It's better than subscription-only (because many games depend on players creating content for other players, and also subscription-only makes too little money)
- It's better than one-time payment, because the company has no obligation nor incentive to keep servers running once they've made their money which leads to games being shut down
I really don't get why Asmon is so against games selling cosmetics. It's a fucking cosmetic bro. It's not like the stupid $25 mount gives players 200% more damage than someone with a F2P mount.
25 dollars for a single mount that you need an active subscription to access. Ask yourself, does that respect the player? 25 dollars in Smash Ultimate gets you 5 characters, 5 stages and 50+ songs. Both games do not require 25 dollars to enjoy the game, but one is infinitely better. The fact someone would think 15-25 dollars for a single item is a good investment is exploitative at best. It should be 10 at best.
You are wrong on this take. Mostly because WoW is not a live service game.
A subscription-based game shouldn't have a real money store. Period.
You are already charging players for new content (expansions) as well as for the privilege of being able to keep playing the game (subscription).
All cosmetics, all rewards and all items should be earned through in-game actions in such a game.
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Sure, in a subscription based game, if the subscriptions are enough to cover the cost of new development, maintenance, and the game doesn't lack players as content for other players.
But the idea that selling cosmetics as a monetization method is somehow *wrong* is just faulty. Many games can't do a subscription, because that would yield too few players and too little income.
For WoW in particular, I have no clue what the player counts and so on are, but I won't just jump onto bashing selling cosmetics, when there are other far, far worse monetization methods out there, and the alternative might be to have the game go into maintenance instead.
Classic Era is Classic now. The progression realms are Retail Era.
The 2 mounts are from the bc and wrath classic special editions. They have been in the game for years by now
The only "new" thing in the entire shop is the front page mount, all the pets/toys are from those special editions as well
A coffin with so many nails it turned into Iron Maiden
To be fair, if you've been on 6 month sub thru the Classic, you already have almost all of these with no extra charge. And 6 month sub comes down to about 11$/month.
Asmongold literally every week: ok guys now I'm really don't with blizzard for real guys believe me
To be fair, it stopped being "classic" back in the day around wrath/cata as well
Who would've though, that Cataclysm would be the expansion to kill WoW.
My biggest surprise is how many people trusted Blizzard tbh. Private servers are still getting stronger each year…
It's more nails than coffin at this point, it's more like an iron maiden.
RIP Classic WoW, hopefully everyone returns to Hardcore so its not so dead anymore
Blame the idiots who keep buying that sh*t. That's the only reason they think they can get away with charging $25 for a digital item that has no actual value.
This is one reason I stopped playing. I never raided much, so I would go around chasing after unlocks. Mounts, pets (before you could fight them) etc...
Then they started friend mounts, store, etc... and I could not keep up.
I ended at Wrath, picked it back up at Cata... then again somewhat recently with a 6 month to get a mount. I'm still working through Panda storyline... maybe played 3 times since.
Adding the WoW token to WotLK was honestly way worse, because that was adding p2w to an actual Classic expansion.
Throwing in store mounts to the already p2w Cata "Classic" is just throwing a few more sticks on that already roaring fire. SOD and OG Classic are untouched however!
Soon in OG classic
This is the equivalent of Jagex putting the garbage shop they have in RS3 into OSRS.
This is cataclysmic levels of stupidity.
The prophecy.
Blizzard out there using the Quake Nailgun like it's back in style.
Ngl been trying to get into wow for a while now. I played retail to level 70 and I’m lvl 20 on classic. I really like experiencing the characters but I feel like I have to suffer through the game to do so.
Remember when they had a store in WoW back before cataclysm was out. Good thing they brought it back.
Guys. Now that it's cataclysm, it's not technically classic anymore. That means the shop is completely justified.
I love Classic, but I don't have the time or the patience anymore for how long it takes to walk here, walk there, wait for this, wait for that, find this npc, sort my inventory, etc. There's WAY too much downtime in Classic. I just end up feeling like I'm wasting my time and my money...😕
We wondered when they would stop Classic, we should've known they were never gonna stop out of any artistic vision, creative ambition or integrity. They'll stop when it doesn't turn a profit...
The coffin is more nails than wood at this point.
"they nailed it" has a different meaning for Blizzard.
Love how when triple A game studios start to tank, they go back to old games to squeeze some more money out of something that worked.
Now they have 2 world of crafts generating money from 2 diffirent shops. Next step is an additional subscription to play classic
Those mounts take a tiny fraction of the time and effort needed to make a pretty good game, yet they somehow cost more. That old axiom about fools and money has never been truer.
Imagine paying Blizzard for them to take a crap in your mouth all the time lol. Another Private server W
Oh hell, this isn't the final nail. That was driven in about 4yrs ago for any Blizzard/Activision IP.
Shocking that the future of classic wow is retail, that’s a real crystal ball moment
Its definitely not over. Just over for us.
Cataclysm is the end of Classic realm
It’s so weird to me why they price cosmetics the way they do, wouldn’t more people be incentivised to buy these things if they just price them at like $5? Not that I care for them, but it seems very counter intuitive on Blizzard’s part.
I told people this at the end of vanilla classic before tbc dropped. They didn't listen....they never do...
I'm so glad there are decent private servers I can hop in whenever I want without dealing with that bs. In the subscription game, cosmetics like that should be rewards for achievements, and maybe for well, being a loyal player....