A practical combination?
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- In this video, I'd like to tell my story with an interesting OEM mini PC.
3D print files (Fusion 360 file included in case you need any personal adjustment). Notice that they are designed for the NEC mini PC I own. I can’t guarantee the compatibility with any ThinkCentre tiny. Please double check the dimensions before printing.
www.printables.com/model/8352...
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• A practical combinatio...
0:00 An interesting machine
2:17 Under the hood
6:41 Combination with the RTX A2000
18:39 Make it run stably
21:45 Some games' test
25:36 Still a portable machine?
27:01 My thought - Наука та технологія
Thank you very much for your suggestions and tips. I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
love the jazz music with the mini pc build!
Glad you enjoyed!
This is the best mod so far that I've seen with these micro machines.
This is basically the same as the Lenovo M720q/M920x pcs! they all feature a 8x slot, which is very rad in my opinion. Also this can be noticed by the Lenovo OEM logo on the PCB, nice >:]
BTW the Lenovo ones are pretty inexpensive so anyone could recreate this!
Yes. I guess it has the same chassis with some Lenovo Tiny generations also.
Yes it it exactly same box as Lenovo which I have, but mine is without gpu. That is very powerful working pc, even though it is already 10 years old.
Same as lenovo just white case,another brand and power button is different
I use this Case with a Tiny 910X and a i9-9900T yes its a old PC. 😅
@twisted have the m720q and m920x the pci x8 slot?
3:53 Taking a look at the 8500T datasheet, It only has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes which can be either 1x16, 2x8 or 1x8+2x4. This motherboard is probably configured for the latter with a possible configuration where that SSD2 section is populated by another NVME slot which can operate at x4. Though the B360 controller in this board also offers 11 more PCIe 3.0 lanes.
12:32 Considering the extra height added by the A2000 shroud, it looks like there's plenty of space for the 2.5 SSD to go in there over the CPU heatsink.
Thanks for your information. About adding 2.5 SSD into the extra space, I also considered. The difficulty is I might need another longer SATA flex cable to route from under the GPU which is not easy to find. Moreover, the space above the cpu shroud, especially near the rear exhaust, has high temperature. Thus I thought it wouldn't worth it. Just use an M2 SSD with suitable amount of space, and use external SSD via USB 3.0 if needed is good enough and more simple.
The problem is not the space itself but getting a specific flex cable that both sends power and data.
Lenovo has their own one used here and it is very short
@@Karti200 That's just a regular flex cable which combines SATA and the smaller SATA power into a cable which terminates into a regular SATA one on the other side. Those are common on laptops. when you don't want a round cable and a vertical connector on the board. Some adapters even have a removable flex on the drive side so you can procure a longer one just in case.
even though the gpu didn't work well this was such an awesome build! I loved the 3D printed expansion. So smart!
Thanks for your comment. I did some performance improvement. You can check out my latest video.
Love your content! Especially on the Dell Precision lineups
What an impressive job you did! I love it!
Love the build, nice work with the 3D prints.
Very nice and compact little console killer! Love the production quality as well.
The CPU seems to be giving way for the GPU to use up all the powerbudget. Notice the cpu racing to reach 800mhz a large portion of the time. I suggest that you try to run Throttlestop to force the CPU to clock higher and or increase its TDP limits which might be artificially limited by the motherboard since it detects a 70w GPU in the main pcie slot.
Thanks very much for your info. I appreciate. I did some update. You can check out the latest video.
Very cool project!
Great work bringing new life back to the old gal!…earned a sub
Very nice, may the algorithm work in your favor
Subbed, you have a great style.
it is good video. I liked very much. Thank you for posting!
I love the jazz, great for watching at night
Glad you enjoyed!
Great video! I really enjoy thia type of video very much. Don't know what to recomend. Hope to see moee
The 2 tone is cool as fuck.
This whole build is awesome.
This was a very comfy video.
Thank you.
Haha. It depends on each person's perspective. For me, the black cover with the white base is ugly af 😂
Can you do an updated video after u install throttlestop and disabling the bd protocol. I want to see how much better the a2000 performs. This is an ideal future upgrade path for me from a T1000. Thanks
Thanks for your comment. I did it. You can check out my latest video.
@@thinhdora Really glad u did it. Checking it out now!
Maybe you could remove a hole for both fans so the GPU could run cooler, btw good job love the build!
You could put a mosquito net (black) on the exhaust of GPU... To protect that big hole... Insects will be drawn there when the power is of...
Take my sub. Awesome channel bro!
Best build ever!! Great video :))) Gotta try doing this one for one of our itty bitty setups. Maybe use an Arc a380?
love your video hope i see more videos of your
like this in the future
Hi, you can try to deactivate two core from the bios. The remaining four core can boost higher with the limited 35w tdp. I tried this method on a similar Dell with the i5 10500. Very well made video!
Thanks very much for your tip. I mange to make it perform as it should in my latest video. Check it out.
nice work!!
Just a few weeks ago, I decided to buy a 1lt Mini PC of this type. I chose a Refurbished HP Elitedesk 705 G5 with Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g at 65w. After 3 days the SSD I came with died and I had to buy another one, not to mention that as a precaution I also changed the RAM for a pair in Dual Channel in addition to changing the Thermal Paste for an Artic one.
Fortunately, restoring the system was easy thanks to the HP Bios, which curiously is also its Achilles heel by not having any advanced configuration for either OC or UV. I highlight the latter due to temperature issues since it does heat up somewhat when the TDP exceeds 50w.
I have been doing tests and removing the Cover, lowering the temperature by about 7-9°C which gives me a slight margin to handle a little more than 55w TDP and, therefore, a little more FPS.
In performance, except for temperature, it is equal to the Stock R5 3400g Desktop, and Vega 11 still works for play in HD +30fps...
Honestly, for the price I paid in total, which was about 240dlls with everything and the emergency extras, I consider myself well served.
Thanks to your video I made the decision to cancel my project of installing an NVME egpu and it would be better keep playing at 30s HD and save up for a Mini ITX computer with a LP GCard. I am worried about investing more in the Elitedesk and not getting all the potential out of it (or other piece crash...)
But your project looks awesome and i hope you can improve the performance very soon. Greetings...
Thanks for the information and explanation...
Glad you enjoyed. I have a couple of HP mini pc too (Prodesk lineup) before I found this one and I love them too. Btw, if you have time, you can check the latest video. I managed to gain more performance with a simple app. Don’t need any further tweaking like overclock and undervolt.
first 2 minutes : oh its kinda similar to lenovo system after 3 minutes : I KNEW IT, ITS LENOVO ALL ALONG!!!
very enterprise grade hardware here, the brands usually are seen in production settings like restaurants and POS.
That’s true. The enterprise things attract me.
My local goodwill had those HP mini Pcs that you had for $75. I chose not to get it and went with a SFF dell OptiPlex for the same price. I put in an RX 6400 and it pairs very well with the i5 8500. It's not as small, but it's a good comprise between power and size. I would be bummed out if i had your combination, that CPU is really holding back the A2000. Super cool 3d print, looks professional.
Thanks for your comment. I have a couple of HP Prodesk mini too and used to have an Optiplex micro too, all of them are enterprise grade hardware and serve me well. I love them too. BTW, I did some performance improvement for this machine in my latest video. Check it out!
Maybe adding a secondary power input for the 12v rail for the pcie bridge (bypass the onboard supply) and have the option to crank the A2000!
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Impressive what can be done with a 3d printer these days. Makes me want to get one to tinker with.
Yes. The 3D printers are so useful for the hobbyists. Save a lot of time from crafting stuffs.
This may sound crazy but hear me out. RTX 4060 low profile exists. Yes, it draws 50% more power than the A2000 BUT it's much more powerful than the A2000, close to double the performance. If you manage to undervolt it enough it should still deliver better performance that the undervolted A2000. 4060 is also half the price of a A2000 at least where I live.
Thanks very much for your tip. I love the 4060 LP too but unfortunately it costs as much as the A2000 here in Japan, and hard to find on the used market. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Please make more in this form factor. Maybe with a graphics card that fits without need for 3d print.
awesome video
man that looks so cool.. would buy the plastic printed parts if you made them.. always wanted to have a name brand tiny PC with a RTX A2000..
Thanks for your comment. I think it’s easy to outsourcing the 3D printing parts anywhere these days. It’s popular. I also really want a factory ship mini PC compatible with the RTX A2000. Honestly, homemade 3D printing is just a workaround. Can’t beat factory production. BTW, I did some improvement in performance for this pc in my latest video. Check it out.
This is beautiful! instant like and sub
Thanks for your support!
Curious about an ARC A380 in this build.
An a380 would work really well since it has a 45W max TDP
Lovely your effort into making these videos is amazing! the time you take to be sure verything is correct. Your chanel should get more attention!
I appreciate you support!
great video i have the lenovo 920x tiny, wich have 2 nvme m.2 ports in the back and the pcie gpu card slot,, im gona get somenthing like the radeon rx 6400 LP or nvidia quadro p1000 LP.
But im thinking in use some egpu adaptor to use a more powerfull card externally, do you know is the usbc ports in the lenovo tiny pc support tunderbolt 3? or the usbc expancion installed inthe back can be used for external gpu adapters, nice video
I have a m720q. I had the P1000 and upgraded it to a T1000. Similar performance to a 1650. You can also look at a T600.
Also if u install a gpu make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. Otherwise bios limits cpu to 800mhz due to extra power required for gpu. Disabling it removes that limit.
Also I don't think it supports Tb3. It's a usb3 port.
@@ll_spud thanks very helpful
For the model in this video, the USB-c isn’t thunderbolt, just USB 3 interface. I’m not sure about the ThinkStation version. BTW I manage to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out. You don’t need an external chunky card.
Love the look of the keyboard in the beginning of the video. Is it built? What’s the case?
Sick modifications to the mini pc. Bit unfortunate with power limits, handicapping the a2000's performance. Have you considered other low profile gpu's?
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Love this!! Do you have a recommended course for fusion 360 and 3d printing?
I watched only this video.
ua-cam.com/video/5hComh1hFzY/v-deo.html
It isn't a course, just an entrance tutorial to get familar with some basic terms like sketch, extrude, chamfer, ...
Then expanding the skill by the official documentation.
help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU
The official documentation is easy to understand.
Nicee! I have a ThinkCentre m720q tiny which is really similar running as a home media server :) This CPU is very good at decoding/encoding videos seamlessly :D
I also have another HP as a homelab too!
Perhaps a faster quad core like an 8100 with higher clocks may be better suited for games.
It doesn't make much sense if you can't feed GPU with enough power it requires. Even regular desktop motherboards can only provide up to 75W via PCIe. I suggest you get a different GPU with external power input. I have a tiny micro-ITX build and I bought AMD FirePro W7100 8GB GPU for it due to its slim form factor (1 slot). Great video after all!
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Really nice mode. I have the exact nec pc model and i wondered if the pcie slot can be used with a graphic card. Do u know if there any 1 slot graphic card that fit without moding the case?
If you don’t want to mod, pay attention to the IO bracket. Factory fit models I know are Nvidia P and T series, they share the same IO bracket, and they have dedicated bracket from Lenevo. Other single slot models like RX 6400 LP technically work too but I’m not sure if the general purposed bracket at 11:11 fits.
what a beautiful machine
Great job! Do the 3d printed parts hold up with the temps?
Not at all. I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out for the performance and temp.
This is awesome, I am thinking of getting an M720Q and using an RX 6400, get the lid of a P330 as it has the same mounting points and has the ventilation for both the CPU and GPU too. Would make for a living room sized Steam Machine.
oh damn i wish i had a 3d printer you can do cool things like this with it
Quality content 👍🏽
nice video! cool project! I think you shouyld check why the CPU is at 800mhz most of the time! try installing a piece of software called Throttlestop (set multiplier and modulation to the max and disable DB protocol) and you'll get a great boost in fps for sure!
It's the T model of the 8500. Those are low energy consumption, so they idle lower than the standard models.
Thanks for your suggestion. I will take a look at Thottlestop.
@@GodSaveTheUnitedStates yes, i know, but 800mhz is the bottom power state and it should not be used during gaming by the cpu, that's why i suggest using throttlestop to avoid the cpu to stay in that particular power state. (you can set the minimum frequency to be way much higher, even with T models)
@carlolalattacosterbosa5821 Oh, I misunderstood. You're right.
I was going to suggest the same thing. I've got the same lenovo m720q. I installed a T1000 gpu in it and was having the same issues using the gpu. The cpu limits the power to 800mhz hence its not working at full capacity. To fix install throttlestop to disable bd protocol. You will notice a boost in speed
Will have to try your model with mine P330 Tiny. It is literally M720Q / M920Q but with beefier cooler (whole cooper one) and 2x NVMe slots instead of one
currently having i7-8700T and RX 6400 inside of it
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
i luv these little Lenovo machines
Nice mini PC to bad is held back by the CPU limited wattage; because of this up grading it won't do much because of that limitation, it would be awesome if some how the UFFI Bios can be patch so it can be adjusted.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Yeah, apparently the motherboard is the week point when it comes to power delivery to the gpu. You have enough space to potentially put in a rtx 4060 low profile that takes 6 pin power, and maybe enough space to add one of those power supplies that use a charger with a brick (pixo atx) inside the case and use that to power the gpu. Maybe you can even figure out a way to power the motherboard off that too
You’re right. The MB limits the power aggressively. However it can be bypassed easily. Checkout my latest video, I managed to make it perform as it should.
The total price for diy project will be same (or higher) as buy similar mini pc with GPU. Only 3d printer costs insane amount of money..
Looks like they sourced the base case from the same people who do the Dell 30x series cases.
Cool video, I'm interested in such pc. I have Zotac Zbox en72080v
I love the mini PCs too!
Very interesting mini pc... Hmmm can you put in it something like qqls, qqlt, etc. with bios modification?
I will take a look at your keyword. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should without any further mod in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
This pc throttles the cpu quite fast, eaven when it's "cold". You can change that behavior with throttlestop. There you can desable DB Prochot, which will remove the stutter.
You can see that behavior on the video. When you experience stutter the cpu is using 5w, instead of 30w or 35w.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Ive got a gtx 1050ti sff lying around, i really need to try this.
Yes, why not.
will you release the print files so we can do this at home?
Absolutely. Thanks for reminding. Please check the description, I’ve just included the download link for related files.
@thinhdora Thanks. I wanted to ask you for it as well. I've got a m720q + T1000 gpu. This will be good if I want to upgrade the gpu in the future. P.s make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. I had the same performance issues as you until I figured it out. Cpu is only working at 800mhz with gpu install hence low performance. Once u disable it, it will run at full speeds. It's very easy to download and install
people have even done single slot mods on the a2000 to make it fit in the stock case!
I’d love to try too!
Hey, Lenovo Thinkcentre! Wow did you dyed your chassis?
For the plastic parts, yes. Just 3D print them. The original metal chasis is factory made.
hey man great vid but i think you meant SSD at 2:43
would an rx 6400 or an arc a310 be a better fit? they're both tiny cards that only pull about 50 watts of power and they're single slot cards
Thanks for your suggestion. Definitely they will. This model supports 50w GPUs out of the box, which are the Nvidia P cards. However I ‘d like to push this tiny box over the limit. Btw, I managed to make it work as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
I own the M910Q Intel 7th Gen, but i cannot see any PCIe slot on the board. Can you help me to find it out where it cloud be? do I need to solder something on it?
I can’t say for sure, but it looks the m910q doesn’t have the connector even the board has the available area. It might be a cut-down version of m920q. You might find a blank space where the slot should be.
i think for that kind of performance unless you have specific need for quicksync and cuda i would get a ryzen apu which is usually smaller and even more efficient
Thanks for your opinion. That's true. However I managed to make it performs as it should. Check out the latest video if you have time.
What materials do you use for 3d print?
It’s just some regular PLA.
very interesting pc. In Germany you can't find anything about this nec pc.
good mod . good life
didn't expect mini pc have a PCI-E slots.
niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Your pc is missing the aux antena for the wifi card. The antena ends with a pice of plastic that's glued to the front metal frame.
Glad you recognize it. I recognize it too but could’t find additional connector. Anyway I feel there no performance lost with a single cord.
could you add your voice it will be much amusing
loved the video by the way
The NEC version in off-white (it's not quite beige, not quite white) looks better than the Lenovo. Shame it's already hard to find low-watt GPUs for this as-is, let alone in off-white. Edit: You may get better GPU performance out of a T1000 8gb instead, as the performance loss with the watt limit being so tight means some CUDA cores aren't behaving themselves.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
BTW there is 90W changer from lenovo that will be powerfull enough to run the GPU at full speed,you should give it a try.
Thanks for your information. The power brick I use in the video is 300W model already so it's not the root cause. Btw I managed to make it perform as it should in the latest video. Check it out if you have time.
YOU SHOULD TRY AND BUT THE I9 IN IT LOL
4:14 me when skibiddy toilet comes on tv
Lenovo has graphics card with m720q with 4 Mini Display Output, you can purchease official from taobao, otherwise heatsink of A2000 extremely huge, If can swap or replace. It should good to go.
I’d live to try it one day. Thanks for your tips.
you should review the HP Z2 tower g4 :3
One day!
Because it only has 1 m.2, I think it's the m720q, not m920q
the intel arc a380 or a310 are bettter options
I recently tested an Intel ARC A380 low profile. Low power consumption and even in an old 4th Gen Intel i5 system with no Resizable BAR enabled, still performed 100FPS in Heaven Benchmark. Only costs $120.
Thanks. I'd love to try the ARCs one day too. Btw, I manage to make it perform as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
@thinhdora Thanks.. I will checkout your video.
Can you swap the cpu to the non-T?
Yes, u can, but keep in mind you should underclocking it or it will crash.
I will!
Look good, I wanna make something similar with a Xbox one x case using a rtx4060 low profile GPU
The fact that you could replace a 8400 for better performance....
Or upgrade to 8700 or 9700
I will!
@@thinhdora Ah, you also need to upgrade cooler either, otherwise it would be throttling
Im usinga a rtx t1000 8gb ddr6.
You can use an i7 9700t and i9 9900t.
bro i wished they sold that in america i would love to use it as my only home server
For home server. The same line up from other brands are good too. Like Dell Optiplex Micro or HP Desktop Mini.
th CPU running at 800 mhz was a sacrilege...
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
looks like a version of the dell optiplex 3020
Yes. Same line up. Dell Optiplex Micro, HP Desktop Mini, Lenovo Tiny.
great
... if this NEC model actually work , Lenovo Tiny 720Q also work as well ... i guess.
I have a M920q which is exactly the same pc, I got mine with an i7 8700T but I upgrade it to an i5 9500F pared with a RX550 low profile, runs games ok and some old AAA games on high; a copper heatsink for the cpu is a good idea if you can find one for this pc
Thanks for sharing. Interesting upgrade. So it works with non-T CPU? If it does, then definitely it needs new heatsink.
@@thinhdora yes, it does but you have to keep in mind the tdp of the cpu that you want to install.
Do you by any chance know if the M710Q/910Q also have the PCIE rail inside? I've looked at motherboards and have seen them with and without it, but no proper info.
@@thinhdora if you use non T cpu you cant used graphic cards in these mini pc, find out before upgrading
What's the name of the pc model?
It’s NEC Mate MC-3. But you can find a more popular model Lenovo M920q with the same chasis.
@@thinhdora thanks, i knew about the m920q, but didnt know about this one
Why are changing the ssd for a hdd stay with the sdd with more storage space
Thanks for recognizing. It’s just a random swap. I don’t need much space for this mini pc.
that thing is ᵗᶦⁿʸ
The most powerful graphics card you can throw in there without any hassle is the rx 6400, it only consume about 47 watt at max load & come in singleslot-lowprofile form factor, i have an m920q with i5 9500t, i just slot it in there & it just works
Thanks very much for your suggestion. I'd love to try the RX 6400 if I got one.
By the way, yes, it's designed for single-slot card but I just wanna see whether it works over the factory limit.
You can use a rtx t1000 8gb ddr6