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Same!
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I think so too! the second His reaction is out i have to watch it and a big part why is the fantastic screen :D
That’s what instantly drew me to him when I saw his video in the recommended section on the side a few years back, even though it was a reaction for....Ghostbusters *cringe
same!! One of the best out there...
Arya calling the Hound by his name and thanking him was such a beautiful moment. ❤️
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Man I really wish Jamies last words to Cersi were "the things I do for love", it would have been a nice throwback to the first episode but also help reinforce to the audience his feelings for Cersi and the stupid things he'll do for her
A cool callback but the set up just isn't there. Not to mention she was no longer a threat. I can buy the whole "saving you from yourself" trope but it wasn't necessary. It'd feel forced.
That would have been a little cheesy lol but I definitely got that from them dying without it being said
W exactly!
There's been far more than enough 'throwback lines' this season already. That would have been SO groanworthy.
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I don't have an issue with Dany being the mad queen if it was a natural progression to get there but this was so forced.
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Yep. They really should have listened to George Martin when he said there should be 10 to 13 seasons. It's like D&D had enough of this project. If you can't commit, don't.
TTMarie M - yeah, their development of her fall into madness, the madness to murder thousands of innocents, was to have a few characters say she hadn’t eaten in a few days and one scene where she was wearing no make and hadn’t done her hair. All the elements were there just not enough development.
The problem with the Mad Queen narrative is that It's progression was abandoned halfway the last season and then they try to bring it back without barely any credibility.
And the way they disfigured other character's arcs just to feed this abomination doesn't help either.
Nitpicking Arsehole What’s D&D?
Nobody ever said that every character arc has to end as satisfactorily as Theon's.
Imagine Ragnar sits on the throne and GOT characters looking at him and with his ironic smile says ''Who wants to be king?''
I read today how HBO wanted full length seasons in 7 and 8, while also wanting to get another 1 or 2 seasons, but Benioff and Weiss declined because they wanted to move on to other projects, and they made the decision to wrap everything up in two abbreviated seasons.
I'm no longer excited about the Star Wars trilogy they're moving on to.
I just remember when Dany was devastated because her dragon killed innocent child in season 4. And here we are :(
I also remember her crucifying the masters of mereen & feeding those lords to her dragons & executing mosador(?) ...you all act like she’s been mother Teresa throughout the show. It’s a slippery slope to madness when you have the kind of power she has & I don’t understand these complaints at all.
@@judigemini178 Do you also remember the miles upon miles of crucified children that Daenarys insisted on looking at to remind her of what she was fighting against before defeating those masters and liberating their slaves? She didn't just randomly decide to do that for fun. I'm not sure who "you all" is, but I suspect they're people who don't lack as much context as your argument, honestly. The writing this season just failed Daenarys, like it did with a lot of characters.
Yeah I remember when Khal Drogo promised to sail to Westeros and rape their women and take their children as slaves so she could have the throne and she was like fuck yeah
misternightstar yeah, I remember that being a long time ago when a lot of shit that has happened since then hadn’t happened. Funny & so ironic that you want to talk about context yet you expect dany to be the same dany she was in season 4. What a joke.
@@judigemini178 The funny thing is that you try to say that violent acts are directly signs of becoming mad, and that's just ridiculous. Arya murdered a whole fcking house, killed two guys, chopped them up, baked them into a pie and fed them to their father before killing him - noone questions her sanity. Sansa fed a person to hounds and smiled - nothing. Dany executes Mossador, who commited treason by muredering prisoners - yup it's a hint of becoming mad... Why are those different? Because you didn't like the people who it was done to? People did far worse things on the show than Dany, and those people are considered completely sane. It simply was shitty writing, that's the truth. What a joke.
The Red keep has never fallen, it won't fall today.
-_Cersei Lannister (the day the red keep fell)._
I appreciated the karmic justice too. House Reyne hid in the tunnels beneath Castamere; Tywin sealed the exits and let them die in darkness & collapse under their own castle. The Lannisters celebrated and sang about doing it nonstop. Fitting that 2 of his kids met the same fate.
Watchers :”Jamie has developed so nicely his character arc is great”
Writers :”hold mah beer “
It's not character assassination or a character arc meaning nothing, IT'S REALITY. If that depresses you, George RR Martin is not the guy to be reading / watching.
And everyone hates Dany character development, but I am so disappointed in Cersei. No backup plan? No fighting back? She was just standing there, doing nothing but crying. She would never give up so easily...
Her father was always right...she thought of her self to be more clever than she was.😏
I agree, I expected her to have a better plan, any plan. She knew there was more wildfire in the city and had control of the pyromancers. Why didn't she use that to her advantage? Just another character arc ruined.
Don't forget, she was a politician, she never was a military mind. And her best generals were either dead or deserted her at the time.
And she always was arrogant enough to think money would save her.
She thought having a golden company would solve everything.
Of course she should have known better. But she is Cercei after all.😏
The Golden Company and all the scorpions was her back up plan
But there was a moment when she realised that she had lost. Why didn't she try to run? To escape? To save herself and her child no matter the cost? Seeing such a powerful, strong, ruthless and fixated on doing everything for her children women crying and doing nothing just seemed weird to me.
Northern Lords: we don't trust her
Sansa and Arya: we don't trust her
Varys: she's going to burn down the city
Jon: MY QUEEEEN
Jon is ( I wanted to say moron, but that would be too harsh XD) weak.He is not fit to rule and be a king. Neither is Daenerys obviously. I can't wait to see who are they going to put on the Throne. I hope we all don't get to be dissapointed...
Sansa and the Northerners distrusted Dany out of irrational prejudice. They didn't know her and didn't want to get to her. Doesn't matter if she saved thousands of lives or volunteered to sweep the floors of winterfell their opinion will still be the same. That isn't good instincts or clever intuition, that's just good old fashioned human stupidity.
This season in a nutshell.
Queston tho, had Arya and Sansa of been a little more accepting and nicer to her or had Varys/Tyrion of been loyal and properly advised her (as Jorah and Missandei would had done if they were alive) do you think she would have felt so alone and just said fuck everyone who ever did me wrong & flipped the switch? If she felt like she had a future, a family, friends & love something to fight for not against this would had turned out differently and its a shame Bran seen this (during his Hodor moment visions of Drogon flying above KL) and instead of changing the course, he just pushed it more by forcing Jon to accept his lineage right before Dany laid all she had on the line for the North and not telling him he shouldn't tell Arya & Sansa the truth yet.
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I love Dany's expression in 3:17, that weird blink... It looks like something snapped in her mind, something broke in her.
I could see burning down the Red Keep castle, but not all of Kings Landing.
Agree... When the bells sounded, Dany launching her final attack at The Red Keep would have been acceptable.
Why? How many games has Dany allowed Cersi to play. CERSI DIDNT EVEN WANT TO RING THE BELL.
@@donwon7592 Burning the castle with Cersi in it would have been enough. Burning the rest of the city along with so many people goes against everything Dany has stood for up till now. I think all the loss she has endured finally made her snap.
Aducairiel Robert Baratheon.” It’s FEAR AND BLOOD that keeps it all together. “.
I wonder. Did you support Robert Baratheon and ned Stark ?
@@donwon7592 yeah cause burning down and destroying the whole fucking Red Keep does not inspire enough Fear and Blood to the citizens of King's Landing?
Thank you! I agree completely about Jaime's character arc.
So sad, we are mourning the assassination of Jamie's character.
happy2405 - devil's advocate...one could say his arc lead him to 8x3 fighting for the living, but his fatal flaw was his draw to his sister which played out 8x4 & 8x5.
@@fuzzy__dunlop That's true
happy2405 i disagree just because he become a better person it doesnt mean that he doesnt love cercei
Cercei is his true love which he would do anything for including betraying himself
His story makes sense to me
@@Wulfxn his character arc makes sense to you? Hahaha you are the type of GOT fan boy that if d&d release an episode with tyrion and varys talking about whp has balls and who doesn't you would love it. You blindly love GOT, the writing has gone shit thats a fact, any idiot can see that, just people like you who cant. It makes sense to you hahahahahaha
In a way, Jamie and Cersei's deaths were a little poetic (even if he WAS supposed to kill her). She died, crushed by the kingdom she wanted but never deserved and he was crushed by his twisted devotion to her.. I still say he should have Dark Phoenixed her before the roof collapses on them though.
He NEVER was supposed to kill her, that was just a fan theory (I'm talking about the show, not the books). Nothing in the TV show pointed in that direction. Ever.
@@j.f.l.bousquet1998 Yeah, the problem with prophesy is you CAN'T cut out stuff, it unfolds the way the Prophet says it will or it's a FALSE prophecy. Technically (or Biblically speaking), leaving the last part off, even though it's just a TV show, negated the prophesy anyway.
That's why Cersi ACTUALLY gave birth to 4 FOUR kids (the first was indeed Robert's and died shortly after being birthed) and she realized, I believe in that tunnel that maybe Tyrion was indeed right about the child she was carrying. Cause I'm sure she was EXPECTING to somehow lose the child because ever since her daughter died she has accepted that prophesy as being 'True'. And because of her belief she actually killed her own son with her deviousness! (Tommen)
As Korg would say... "Jaime's arc is really like a circle. But not a regular circle, more like a freaky circle."
LOL!
Hey man! Name's Korg, this is Meek, we're gonna take that dragon there, fly over to King's Landing and torch everyone alive. Wanna come?
@@cyanrts Lmao, priceless.
Jamie's character arch was not for nothing. He has changed. He knew that Cersie would die and wanted to be there at the end.
Nah, he thought he could save her. If it hadn't been for Euron & Drogon he would have...
He believed he could save her, move to Pentos and live a happy life away from the politics of Westeros.
Reminder that D&D's The Bells, the penultimate episode of Game of Thrones, is unironically a masterpiece. It is the perfect somber Shakesperean tragedy. It can be argued it's the best episode they've ever made. From the distressing beauty in all the fire and brimstone carnage, the oddly serene sights and sounds of a city in its death throws, the oscar level passion in the acting of jaime & tyrion: "you were the only one who didn't treat me like a monster" as two drowing men desperately try to hold on to each other knowing it's their last moments, the most accurate psychological portrayal of the stakes of civil war which means more than any mindless spectacle of the hero chopping off a mountain of heads to climb the iron throne, jaime doing the actual most redemptive thing he could do & dying protecting his queen as the tragic hero he was always meant to be, as olenna has said "you love her. You really do love her. You poor full, she'll be the end of you.", whaat a time to do the eternal "nothing else matters only us" callback...the only constant of this transient series, the heart-rending way they flip the script on valonqar, Euron staying true to being the detached manaical villain till the end, the cinematography of the hound & the mountain's last stand in the towering inferno of the red keep with the dragon flying overhead & into the fire as was destined, avoiding a cringe "I know you would come" dany cersei villain lair confrontation, avoiding lowest common denominator dragonfood comeuppance for cersei, avoiding any arya facemask revenge kill disney cringe, that visual of arya at the end with palerider surrounded by an eerie silence only punctured by the low funeral music...all of it was brilliant. The treachery and the heartbreak. It's demoralizing, it's poignant, it's pensive, it's nihilistic, it's bittersweet it drains the energy out of you and it's absolutely fitting way to wrap up this greek tragedy. You wanted an utopia so badly you forgot to see the dystopia staring back at you. If nothing else it capture the sorrows of a world after the deluge really well. I would not have expected the average person to have the emotional intelligence to fully appreciate how good The Bells was, but the level of bad-faith misplaced vitriol the r/freefolk types of the GoT subreddits showered on this episode and took the pre-eminent role in shaping its perception is straight up criminal.
Yeah the Dany turn could've been done differently, but let's be real. What actually made most of them angry wasn't the crudeness of the turn, it was the "I rooted for her so long for this? It was the level of unexpected brutality unleashed by the heroes(TM) in conquering a city. It was the psychology of war at its purest form. We've seen pictures of liberated Dresden or Mosul and it's not all that different. It takes a lot out of you emotionally. It only speaks to the level of investment people had to this show for them to be that bothered. If something happening in a TV show can make people this angry, then its existence is justified.
I don’t think Jaimie returning to Cersei destroys his character arc. GRRM said ‘the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself’ and to me that’s what Jaimie represents. Just because he’s done good things, & loved Brienne doesn’t mean he stopped loving Cersei. She’s like a drug addiction to him.
I agree, Jaime loved Cersei his entire life & they thought he would just suddenly stop?because of what, brienne’s pussy?did they think he would just forget that she’s also pregnant? seems they didn’t pay any attention to his little speech in episode 4, he did horrific things for Cersei because of his obsession with her & will go to any lengths bc of it ...they’re so fixated on their wishful thinking they can’t see the characters for what they are
Judi Gemini or ep 2 where he says he would do all the things he did again for his family and the only reason he came up North was to fight for the living
Melissa - I agree.
I miss the Night King...
I'm actually fine with Jamie going back to Cersei. Not everyone gets a happy ending and there doesn't need to be a complete redemption arc for every character. He tried to become a good and honorable man but, in the end, being with the woman he loved when she died was more important to him.
Not only am I fine with it, I think it made perfect sense. Jaime did become an honorable man, as evident by leaving Cercei to uphold an oath. But growing as a person doesn't mean you stop caring about the people you've loved your entire life (even when they have been nothing but toxic to you). Some have suggested that this undoes Jaime's character development, however I disagree. "We don't get to choose who we love". His twisted love for Cercei is a fundamental part of who Jaime is and I don't think he could have had it any other way. "You don't have to die with her". In his mind he did.
@@ranialian8537 People also seem to forget about the familial love between them. He loved Brienne but Cersei was his blood. No one was ever going to come between them.
@@ranialian8537 yes everyone thinks it's for nothing or doesnt make sense but it does. Jamie has never once said hes done with her or doesnt love her. He simply kept his promise and knew fighting the dead was important. His love for Cersei never wavered, like Tyrion said "You knew exactly who she was and you loved her anyway" so I dont get how people think his story is wasted now, no he changed and became a better man true but his love for Tyrion after Tywin never changed so Cersei would never be harmed by him, especially while shes pregnant. They're twins as well as lovers, that bond is too strong.
hey sith.. just looking at emilia clarke being interviewed about dany's motivations and she says.. "it's so natural for a person to retort to anger and so that's exactly where she goes and it's there its always been there its what's drived her in everything.. here comes that familiar feeling of anger and she doesn't do anything to choak that she lives in it...it's this feeling that you could call targaryian craziness you cold give it all these names that it doesn't diserve cause it is just grief.. it hurts and she has this ability to make that hurt a little bit less just for a minute"....
Well... she sure listened to Missandei
Rhaegal was wounded from the Battle at Winterfell and gliding low, like a kite, when he got hit. Drogon is much bigger and faster and dropped straight out of the sun like a falcon. The Japanese Zeroes did that in WWll. And Dany going crazy is heartbreaking. It reminds me of when Lawrence snaps in Lawrence of Arabia. Too much trauma for too long and then the really awful all at once and he breaks and slaughters innocents. When I saw Dany twitching as the bells rang. Now I’m expecting an Oedipus Rex ending. Real Greek tragedy.
I feel that the end of Jaime with Cersei was fitting, they were together in the womb and die together.
The perfect ending would be Jon taking Dany into his arms, looking at Drogon, then saying "Dracarys," & burning them both. Let King's Landing be a monument to the dead & have 6 separate kingdoms for now.
Would the dragon fire even burn her? He would be doing her work for him if he killed himself using Drogon lol.
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Jamie season 1-7: I love and would do anything for Cersei. Jamie season 8: I love and would do anything for Cersei. I don't know why people are so surprised about his decision. In season 5 he said he wanted to die in the arms of the woman he loves, and he did. They foreshadowed Dany going mad queen since season 2 with her visions in the tower. She lost 1 of her babies in season 7. In season 8 she lost two of her best friends, and another 1 of her children. She has been betrayed by Jon , Tyrion, and Varys. If Jon was like Ned he would have kept the secret. Dany hasn't felt this alone since season 1. She already knew she wasn't going to accept the surrender the second they beheaded Missandai. If the Mongols offered you the option to surrender before the siege and you didn't, they would kill everyone. Tyrion was the 1 trying to get the bells rung not Dany. She wanted fire and blood. On top of all the betrayals and deaths of her friends, she hasn't gotten laid in months. Sexual frustration makes school shooters. I don't like that she burned the city, but I get it. I liked this episode way more than the short night.
Qyburn's death made me laugh for a good five minutes.. It was ridiculous :')
Died by his own creation lol
Yes. GoTs' very own Victor.
Saddest part is Dany: "And those who will hurt you will die screaming." --- "I will burn cities to the ground." Over and over. Tyrion had to stop her from burning 3 cities, in the last place she lived. And she had no personal affiliation, just her fire instinct to those who come against her. Impulsive. In good or bad. Taking all 3 dragons beyond the wall was impulsive. Now she is alone, people are betraying her, someone else has claim to the throne. Her best friend was beheaded. Lost 2 dragons. Jorah. Bell rung she had a choice, she went with impulsive. Fire and blood. ps I do agree, especially battle of Winterfell. Horribly done. But with Dany it was building.
Perfect!
Dany wanting to burn cities to the ground was a terrible means to good end. She was only trying to end the barbaric act of slavery the best way she knew how. Truman made the same decision regardless of how he was remembered as long as it stopped the war. You say her decision to take 3 dragons beyond the wall was impulsive, I think it was courageous and damn near selfless since she hardly knew those people except Jorah. Dany decision was not out of impulsiveness but out of hatred and dominance. This was the same person who chained up her children to keep the city safe, the person who swore to Barristan Selmy that she would never stoop to the level of her father, the person who humbled herself before Jon and apologized and for some reason she threw all that away to go slaughter defenseless civilians. I understand that revenge changes people but not like this and not this fast. I have never been so disappointed and appalled at such character assassination.
@@BhlackBishop Even now people are saying "Dany never had genocidal maniacal tendencies". Guys, wake up already. Already in season 1 she was trying to have Khal Drogo invade Westeros with his pillaging rapists on her behalf, putting hundred of thousands in harm's way. As soon as she had the dragons in early season 2 she threatened Qarth with dragonfire, while dying of thirst and her dragons still being little, also about to die. Go back and count how many times she casually threatened someone with dragonfire, go and count how many times an adviser had to stop her from committing an act of violence.
1. Stop with the falsification of history. Dany planning a war of conquest is well documented and was never denied by her.
2. Stop the gaslighting. People already in early seasons (and book reader way before the show was produced) called her out for planning a war of conquest and the genocide associated with it. You can try and pretend, that no one could have seen it coming, but we did indeed.
Here is a little question you can answer for yourself: If a person starting a war of conquest and thereby putting hundred of thousands in harm's way, while openly announcing the intention of wanting to burn cities to the ground does not constitute said person having "genocidal maniacal tendencies", tell me please what else is needed for the person to have "genocidal maniacal tendencies"?
How much are you willing to shift the goalposts, turning yourself into dishonest fanboys and fangirls just to defend Dany?
@@BhlackBishop It's not character assassination, IT'S REALITY. If that depresses you, George RR Martin is not the guy to be reading / watching.
@@Andyhandz I'm not depressed I'm just disappointed. If GOT was a book and a season was an hour, I feel like I just wasted 8hrs of my life. If i borrow this book to a friend I would advise them not to be too invested and skip some parts of Jaime and Daenery's journey since it was pointless.
5:05 "There is a beast in every man and it stirs when you put a sword in his hand."- Jorah Mormont
Jamie's charecter arc was about being okay with who he is, and who he is is ultimately not that great of a person. He hated being that person, but he came to terms with it this season.
The Arya plot armor is too fucking real, she's survived harrenhal, she survived red wedding, she survived getting stabbed 3 times in the gut by Waif, she survived the Night King's grip and even killed him, like bro what the fuck.
Jamie's character never changed. We learned more about him, that's it. He never regretted or apologized for anything he did (except with Bran when he had to after he'd called his bluff) unlike Theon. To me Theon has the best arc in this story because he couldn't stop telling people how sorry he was. After all is said and done Dr. Maya Angelou got it right, "When people tell you who they are, believe them."
I dont get the Jamie character arc hate. He always loved cerci and would always do anything for her
He was addicted to her. All were happy when he hooked up with Brienne...but when he knew that Cersei was about to face danerys in rage with a dragon, he snaps because he knows drogon, and go with her. Cersei. He loved and had children with her and now ppl wanted him to stay with Brienne that was a one night stand? come on. I dont get the hate on Jaime's arc hate either.
The golden company was a useless plot point. They literally did nothing!
they could at least brought the darn elephants so it looks cool... darn company lol
Jamie’s actions concerning Cercei honestly didn’t surprise me. As he said from the very first episode, “The things you do for love.” He has always fought to get back to Cercei. From being a prisoner after the Whispering Woods to retaking River Run. People keep talking about Jaime and Brienne being together but his heart was never with Brienne, he cared for her, but I don’t think that he loved her the way that he loves Cercei. Jamie’s fate has always been entwined with Cercei’s since the day they were born. Came into the world together and left the world together.
I can't say I'm that surprised either. Or disappointed. He's always loved her immensly, more than she loved him.
What I don't like however, is that he also slept with Brienne, for no reason. Their relationship should have remained platonic, there was respect and understanding there, no denying it,
But having him both sleep with Brienne and return to Cersei to die with her feels...strange and pointless.
Cersei was such a waste this season. What exactly did she do?
skurinski all she did was bang Euron & complain about her elephants...& just staaaare...it sucks cz she’s such a great character & they couldn’t even be bothered to give her a memorable death
She put daenerys over the edge lol thats a pretty big accomplishment.
She beat Daenerys by proving the common folk that a mad queen / an invader is coming to kill them with a dragon and an army of savages.
I think the main problem here is they whitewashed a lot of the stuff Dany does in the book, which while not evil, is more grey and toeing the line. I can see this happening in the books and this being something the author told them he is planning. However, since they changed much of the foreshadowing from what the author did, it makes it come off as out of the blue. That was a mistake by them. It's one thing to so the same ending the author has in mind, BUT, if you don't set it up the same way and start making changes on the path to that end, it doesn't work and comes off strange. I have no doubt though this was not their creation and is something the author told them about.
right they didnt vilify Daenerys enough in the show for her to go terminator on civilians, for 7 seasons people got upset if she did anything other than self sacrificing then BAM suddenly she loses everything including her mind
Purple Gorilla you're so right!
How is this out of the blue?i don’t understand you people, dany going mad queen has been a speculated thing since ssn 7 ...& if it had been more obvious you all would still have complained that it’s too predictable...like you don’t need to complain about every single last thing all the time
When Greyworm kept watching Jon during the beginning of the slaughter I was convinced Dany told him to try and kill Jon. But we'll see what happens when Greyworm tells Dany what he witnessed.
Good luck with the next star wars being writteng by these guys!
lol I know right... We'll need all the luck we can get?!
If D&D think the GOT community is rough just wait until they fuck up Star Wars. LOL
dsfddsgh Last Jedi already fucked up Star Wars
@@JamesSmith-re4gn True, but I think D&D might have just said, "Hold my beer."
am loving your commentary - thanks from San Francisco!
Love your reactions man, love your voice, and your giggles. Keep up the good work :)
The Jaime and Cersei arc is straight out of Shakespeare, a real tragedy.beautifully written.
No. Shakespeare is beautifully written. This was paint by numbers.
Nothing is cuter than when you get emotional, your eyes tear up and you say " fuck off" 😂😂😂😍
You saying that you weren't sad for him dying but that you're sad for his arc really resonated with me. I've been a huge Jaime supporter and lover for a few seasons now and it took 80 minutes to ruin it :( I couldn't be sad when he died because I was just mad at him and I guess that's sad in itself. :(
Great insight, as always.
Great reaction as usual ❤️
Thanx man!
You're taking this better than I thought you would.
Selfishly I really wanted Jaime's character arc to be fully redeemed. But honestly it's totally believable that he'd go back to her. It was an abusive and toxic relationship and a lot of abused people tend to go back to those. Not only that, but I don't think he went out that badly. He doubted himself, he didn't think he could be redeemed. He dies comforting a loved one who is scared.
"They surrendered, amazing.
Now to commit hundreds of warcrimes in 40'"
The way they handeled the "mad queen" thing is absolutely hideous.
The Onion Knight lookin mean AF at 1:27! I love him and Tyrion so much.
R.I.P Sandor. You were a fuckin badass from start to finish!
Also, Arya
You’re actually so high IQ. Most reacters don’t remember the small things from prevoius episoder that you do.
do you think varys tried to poison danerys???
My friend told me to see the convo between varys and his little bird again .....after watching i was like "OH SHIT! He tried to kill DANY"
In such a cowardly way at that
Yeah, he definitely did. And as the old Maester of KL, Pycelle once told somebody, "Poison is the weapon of women, cravens and eunichs".
WTF is right...
Arya has nine lives! 😳
She's a Cat 🙃
@@betha5893 Of the Canals? :D
Arya has always been the princess that was promised, shes was just reborn from salt (tears) and smoke, and she rides the pale white horse of death, she got the night king and she will get the mad queen.
You hit the nail on the head: the further they went beyond the last published book the more they had to figure out what to do with narrative and how to develop the characters without any guidance from the books. They managed to pull it off, I thought, for the season 5, which was the first season to partially feature original material based on notes GRRM provided them. Seasons 6-8 are all original material based on the author's notes, and with each season the show runner's have struggled with matching the complexity of novel-backed seasons 1-4.
As for Jaimie's arch, I think it's all part of his tragedy. He's a tragic figure done in by addiction and Cersei is his addiction.
Hehe i love your reactions man :D G.O.T is not complete without you :)
"I'm not even sad that [Jaime] is dead, I'm sad that his character arc was for nothing." PREACH!!!!!
I don't particularly enjoy how Dany is being portrayed as the "Mad Queen" but I would take it much better if there was more development. However, I also feel that her outburst was more of an impulse moment. The scene where she is atop Drogon on the wall of KL looking at the Red Keep was a pivotal moment that triggered her into the decision to burn the city. The Red Keep was a literal representation of all she has worked for, but it's also a representation of all that she has lost and was taken from her.
They didn’t paint her as a bad person she was a volcano waiting to be explode. we just didn’t pay attention that’s all . Did we already think Dany was capable of this? Or were we in denial about her murderous ways? Did we really think somebody who crucified 163 people because she assumed they were all responsible for killing slaves was a good person? Or do we feel this is an unfair trick; that writers of GoT are pushing a Mad Queen narrative against Dany’s character?
Remember that scene in season 2 in the House of the Undying? Dany had a vision of walking through the Red Keep. The ceiling was broken open and there was this white stuff falling into the throne room. We assumed that was snow and that winter had come to the South. In this episode, at long last, Dany really is in King’s Landing and the Red Keep really is being destroyed. But there’s no snow. We see that white stuff was actually ash, the ash that’s now raining across the city. Dany’s the queen of the ashes. So this turn was foreshadowed from the show’s very early days.
There were plenty of moments in previous seasons to support Daenerys going Mad Queen. Has the show been a bit tricky in playing her murderous moments as heroic and only recently seemed to want us to really question them? Perhaps. But I wouldn’t say GoT has been suddenly pushing the idea that Dany is bad so much as doing what a good drama does in its final act - putting its protagonist to the ultimate test of character. And in doing so, the thing that GoT is actually pushing is a debate about Dany’s morality, bringing that question into the foreground of the show after letting it sit quietly in the background for so long.
We think Daenerys is a good person because she’s happily made so many benevolent choices to try and make the world a better place. Those choices tended to be made when Daenerys was feeling calm and secure. When you have two armies and three dragons it’s easy to decide you’re going to banish slavery because you can. But the show has also pretty consistently shown that when Daenerys gets really-really angry she rather nimbly leaps to “kill them all in the most painful way possible” as the best solution regardless of whether it’s fully justified or not. And she’s never been angrier than she is now.
Since season 7, Dany’s lost two dragons, her two most trusted friends and advisors (Ser Jorah and Missandei), and has gone from ruling a land where she was worshipped to a continent where - as she puts it - nobody loves her. Dany didn’t seem like she needed that big of a push to nuke a city, and the final season has given her a really hard shove. What she does here is a lot like Aegon I Targaryen’s burning of Harrenhal to conquer Westeros in the first place.
And yet…and yet…it’s definitely shocking that Dany opts to just start nuking civilians when it’s so clear she didn’t have to. That is rightly shocking. Characters hopefully sometimes do shocking things otherwise they’re utterly predictable and dull.
I suspect the key is Dany’s quote earlier about ruling by fear. She doesn’t just want to win, she wants to teach Westeros a lesson after all her struggle. No more traitors, no more lords refusing the bend the knee, no more disrespect - all that’s over. If you mess with Dany, this is what happens and now everybody will fall in line. Of course, maybe this wasn’t about any kind of logic all. Varys warned about Targaryen predisposition to madness. Perhaps we’re meant to believe Dany just finally snapped.
If I’m pushed to nitpick, then I’d say that I wished season 8 had more episodes to play Dany’s arc out a bit longer, but I also know the production gave the final season everything they had given the level of production required to pull off its battle sequences.
@Asgedom Dam I got to say you really have it in you. You ever consider going into writing? You can join D&D and be the third worst writer in history. I will cheer for you.
zolo hart why hate ! This is my opinion .I think you are missing love 🤔 you better search for it before hate eats you alive .
Just a little thing to note about the vision, there were icicles which kinda confirms that it was snow and there was a distinctive sound when she was walking on the snow.
I always thought Dany was a bit of a villain, that did some good things along the way while trying to gain power. But anybody that feels entitled to rule over people is inherently a bad person. She’s a contradiction by wanting to both free people and rule over people at the same time.
Of course this last episode she took her immorality to such heights that there’s no going back or redemption possible.
And it was a bit rushed. This season needed 8-10 episodes to help it progress.
She was never immoral at any time until this. They assasinated her character in an instant, then murdered her .
Leisa Hyden she burned some people alive and executed many others. A lot of them were bad but the punishments were brutal and harsh. She had threatened to burn down cities as far back as season 2.
She was was always talked out of doing so by her close advisors. So she had these tendencies but didn’t act on them until she felt betrayed by everyone and lost her most trusted friends.
Rushed into madness yes, but it wasn’t completely out of the blue.
CauseItsReal I thought they used her story as shock and awe.
No one can talk you away from what you truly want.
She was never a villain.
At least you're level headed about your criticisms people just jump on the hate train to be trendy. Good looks.
Or maybe it's because they're disappointed?
@museMAC Not only has Dany gone mad, but the audience too. In that respect I think the TV did a good job lmfao. Not even in a bad way but they transferred that madness onto the audience.
@museMAC nah
Danny lost another dragon due to cersei, she calls her dragons her children (I think it’s important to emphasise the word CHILDREN) idk about you but I think most mothers would do monstrous things to anyone who harmed their children not to mention the grief of loosing a child, of course she was going to go crazy, to quote from a different source... “madness as you know is like gravity all it takes is a little push!”
Team Danny 😍
I laughed harder than I anticipated at your reaction to the Hound's death. RIP to a great character. One of my favorites for sure.
Arya last scene in this ep ...in the books ..death rides a pale horse ...you know it's not going to be a happy ending ...
What bothers me is that I'm pretty sure the prophecy in the book said that Cersei would be [strangled] by her brother
I think Jaime's arc was completed. For him to return to meet the end with Cersei, so that the woman he loved for most of his life wouldn't face death alone is an extreme act of love, loyalty, & sacrifice. Doesn't mean he is ok with her behavior or forgives everything she's done. What kind of man would Jaime be if he'd stayed in the north with Brienne, living happily ever after, while knowing Cersei would die? Jaime has always been guided by love. Not abandoning Cersei at the end was about love & true to his character IMHO.
but to leave Brienne without letting her know how much he cared for her was wrong :/
@@krisp5735 Yeah there's no way to justify treating Brienne badly
I knew Dany was gonna go crazy and I know with GoT there’s always the WTF moments, but the hound got killed by fire, Euron by Jaime, Jaime and Cersei by bricks, Jaimes character went back to fck it all for Cersei, and Dany went mad. It’s like no matter what you did during 7 seasons it didn’t changed the outcome of who you were trying not to be
“I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”
I have a feeling this will be the ending for the Game of Thrones.
“If you thing this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention” - Ramsey Bolton.
"I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death". Arya just put a new name on her list.
Great reaction as always Sith. Despite all the ridiculousness in this season one thing bugging me the most....why does walls/bricks go down so easily in Kings Landing? Do you remember when Jon was hiding behind a destroyed tower from dragon fire during Long Night? Wtf
What I got from this underdeveloped plot was
-Daenerys didn't burn Red Keep because it had most of the population hiding there, she fucked up the towers and the castle after Unsullied breached RK, (we werent shown any civilian deaths in RK.)
-She chose to burn Kings Landing to send a message of "fear" to 7 kingdoms as she said "let it be fear then" (also flashback to Lady Olenna advising Dany "they won't obey you unless they fear you")
-Her "breaking the wheel" didn't work in Westeros like it did in Meereen, people didnt rebel against Cersei for freedom but they rushed to her for protection FROM Dany. (Again pointing at her saying "I have only fear here") So she decided to replace it with her own wheel for the sake of "future generations".
-I believe most of the common folk in RK are still alive btw
8 years invested in a show that is hands down the best thing ever to hit our screens and last night's episode left me utterly dissapointed, I honestly hoped it was a dallas inspired episode and that it was all a dream, but no they've ripped the guts out of the show for me, nothing makes sense anymore, it's been so rushed this season too, pacing has gone out the window, I'm actually happy next week is the last episode. I was worried I was going to miss the show soooo much, not really an issue anymore. RIP Game Of Thrones.
There are no bad guys in war. War is war people support a side they believe in, doesn't matter how just it seems to you both sides are war criminals, war is war and to put Dany and her army as pure innocence would betray that and what George wanted for GOT
First the scorpions had a serious design flaw, being that large they were far to slow to track and kill a dragon on the offense like Drogon was, unlike his brother who was shot broadside unexpectedly.Debate that:)
Jaime and Cersei dying like that was a total shakespearian ending!Born together died together.Poetic and tragic to die in her arms.His storyline was to show us some people cannot change!
Sandor was ready to die and that was his mission to kill his brother.
How can you not understand Dany going crazy at that point, there is no explaining what she did, there was no reasoning on her part.
Fear drove the soldiers to follow Dany's lead and kill everyone.
Jaime was conflicted the whole time, he tried to change with Brienne and doing the right thing fighting for the North but couldn't, simple as that.What triggered him to return to Cersei is when Sansa said she wouldn't get to see Cersei die.
Dany can still be pregnant and we will find out next episode,simple.
The point of the Golden company was to build up how powerful they were and how simple a dragon could defeat them, period.
She was going to use the wildfire, it was set up to kill the troops coming in but she didn't think the dragon would do it first.
I LOVED this episode
You fucking G. You're the only reactor I have seen so far to realise straight away that the vision Daenerys had showed ash not snow. Im devastated that Daenerys ended up like this and I understand why she did, but I feel like her ending story arc should have been told over more time than it has been.
Arya has been an assassin but she’s never been a person to mass murder innocents. I think seeing all the deaths and screams and innocent people dying made her understand death was not a god she should worship or battle with. I think many characters’ arcs were badly dealt with (Dany, Jamie, etc). But Arya’s was done well. She did not walk away from Cersei because of the Hound’s face. It wasn’t a conversation they could have on the way there. It was the fact that The Hound’s life has just been revenge. He has nothing else. He will die with it. Arya does have more. At first it didn’t matter her choice, but when her choice wasn’t just revenge and go, but dying with revenge, is when he tells her she can have more. She knows that. And for the first time she sees truly merciless and countless deaths. I don’t think Arya will kill anyone else. If she kills Dany I’m here for it, but I think this was her wake up call that maybe creating death isn’t supposed to be her ultimate goal. I think after this Arya will stop killing (except of course in defense lmao)
The mountain is not a zombie, more like Frankenstein's monster.
Arya Plot Armor beat fire/falling buildings stabings dotraki, What we say to the God of Death - "Never" :D
Dissapointed on Danaerys, Ragnar should sit on the iron throne.
Ragnar should sit on all thrones!!
Nothing truer was ever said lol
Ragnar hated his throne, it basically killed him inside. Like everyones favourite viking said "power attracts the worst and corrupts the best".
Dani was just venting and now she'll be back to her normal self. She just lost her best friend, dragon, Jorah and Varys committed treason, etc.
the inconsistencies with Jaime’s character are mental. so you’re telling me Jaime Lannister managed to survive a battle against a fully fledged Dothraki army when he was on a horse and has one hand, but in the end it’s a one on one with Euron Greyjoy that finishes him off?? hahahahaha
I know this is an old vid but that's what happens in sieges; if the attacking army has to take a city or whatever, they tend to just go ballistic and start murdering, raping and looting anything in sight
I really can't begin to fathom why so many people expected Jamie to KILL Cersei. Like, really? The love of his life for the entirety of his life for whom he's made it perfectly clear he'd do just about anything except- thanks to Brienne's influence- go back on his word, and he's going to murder her because... what... Brienne's booty is just THAT good? She's always been heinous and evil, he's always loved her regardless, and just because he was a better man without her doesn't mean he's going to stop loving her.
When armies sacked cities they were that bloody, though there weren't as many dragons.
I really think Arya died three times and came back to life she can't die she really is working for the gods now
Rida I agree. I think she is Death since she killed the NK.
@@MikoButter yeah I mean the end scene?? Death riding on the pale horse(for Dany maybe?)
@@Rida-il8nq I hadn't actually thought of this, but I like it. Problem is, if GRRM had written it, I'd have hope in it being true, With D&D, I have to assume that was the cheapest horse they could rent for the day.
@@failuremagnet lol yeah that's a possibility 😂😂
Yeah that pissed me off too. Jaime went through an entire story of moral discovery, finding Brienne, falling in love with her etc. All to go back and die the most stupid death i’ve ever seen.
I've said it many times... STANNIS IS THE ONE TRUE KING
That's true. He was robbed
George R. R. Martin has said he feels the pressure and is intimated in finishing the books to meet all his fans expectations. I'm not hating on the show (as like you I still enjoy watching it), but hopefully this reduces the pressure on him, and he knows at least what NOT to do with his characters, at least in a way they did it in the show...
IMO the speech between the Hound and Arya didn't happen earlier because it was only as the building was crumbling around them that he realized that Cersei was as good as dead anyway -- and if Arya stayed she would be too.
Amazing Episode. Very well done and did not disappoint.
Can you imagine if D&D pull a Twilight Breaking Dawn move here. That after the bell rings it's just Bran seeing what it would be like if she chooses to burn everyone and next episode it goes back to when the bell rang and she didn't kill all of those people just Cersei lol. I wish.
As horrible as that ending would be, there's no need to worry since D&D have proven they don't even have the imagination necessary for an ending on the level of Twilight.
@@failuremagnet lol.
Book sales are going to sky rocket... The writing on the show is not the best but it has its moments.
GRRM said the ending of the show is similar to his books so didn’t hold much hope
@@JamesSmith-re4gn And if the rumours are true for next week and the end, and GRRM doesn't completely deny that's the way the books end also, I can see the sales figures plummeting faster than Rheagal into the sea.
When directors and people teased before the season there will be more red wedding style stuff they didnt mean for the characters, they meant against the fans haha
Drogon's shadow over the buildings was in Bran's vision... I hope you guys remembered that. So this was already scene by Bran.
I don't like how they forced Daenerys character into being some crazy evil bitch. After two years of being in production they were only able to come up with six episodes and one that made her into a monster. This is some bullshit. On another note: did anyone notice how the mountain looked like a mutated Varys? Just wondering