Love the interior of that Model X, the contrast between wood (nature) and technology and the soft cream color makes the technology stand out while still remembering nature.
I take 10 hours to travel 1000km in a Ford Ranger 3.2 TDI Wildtrack. That Model 3 Performance has just shown me that I don't need an internal combustion engine on a sedan period.
Won't the ramp up be faster when you navigate to a supercharger because of the new battery preconditioning it does when you're approaching a supercharger?
That was my thinking as well but if that's the case they should really update the software to make this precharging happen for any charger destination typed in
He was travelling big distance... Probably the battery was hot enough. But I am agree with you. May be the preconditioning is a necessary thing to do if you wanna super charge. It's strange.
@@ryccoh He said, maybe because he charge the car below 10%. That's why the 100% battery from the starts makes a big difference. 1st trip/stop at 4:15 8% left, If he just 100% fully charged it at the beginning, it will be 10% more and charge rate will be fast, not slow. IF his theory is correct that 10% less won't charge the car faster.
Wouldn't that initial 9% keep you above the 10% SoC which would've saved you some time because of that slow initial ramp up from the 10%? If that's the case, then the Model X Raven should be even faster.
I think he would have just chosen a further charger. He is used to aiming for 10%, which is normally the fastest way to charge. He has estimated 5mins because 8 kWh at 96kW would take about 5 mins.
This guy is the only one who apologize for dirty windscreen, the rest of those "pro" drivers drive with such dirt on the windscreen that you can't see out. I think that every driver should keep his car and windows clean, for safety and better view! Keep up the good work!
I think that the loss in time is more than 5 minutes because when you started with 91% , you arrived at 9% to super/fast charger and get an average speed from 9% to 17 % of 80 kW instead of 130 kW. 8% of battery 92 * .08= 7.36 kWh. At 80 kW of power it takes 6 minutes to reach 17 %, but with 130/150 kW will reach this in 3 minutes. for 3 sessions of charging it makes about 9 minutes.
I prefer to be able to squeeze more range per KWh than having and higher max charging capacity because you may not always get a fast charger or you get stuck with shared power or the holiday location has only AC chargers.
Budapest - Stuttgart, 1050 km one day go, next day return in same way, Day1 (3 persons): departure: 09:30 - 98% battery, arrival: 20:20 - 18% battery with about one hour afternoon traffic-jam in München. Day2 (4 persons): departure: 14:15 - 85% battery, arrival: 00:20 - 18% battery. 3 Ionity and one EnBW 150 kW chargers. The car is 4 months old, started at 20 000 km, arrived with 22 080 km. You should reach something similar... :)
I think it would be more fair to end the challenge with the same SoC as it was at start og the challenge (start with e.g. 94% and end with 94%). That would make cars with small batteries look better - but og course, Bjørn, it's on your rules 😁
since there is always a ramp up period when you charge, it's more time efficient if you always charge battery to full, unless you slow down at the end too?
It would be very interesting if the test could be done with a diesel car. Just to have a reference to those cars. 10, 11 or 12 hours dosen’t tell me as much, since I doesn’t drive these roads.
Tor-Inge Johansen On UK roads, about 14 hours I guess. I was basing my reply on a trip from Fort William via West Drayton to near Portsmouth with 5 people in the car. This was 530 miles which took us about 12 hours with plenty of stops due to a bored wife and a not very good traveller in the back seat. I still had 120 miles of fuel in the tank when we got home, according to the trip computer. This Skoda is a fantastic motorway car and if I remember correctly this journey was completed at about 52mpg imperial. I would love to go to Norway and follow Bjørn on one of his road trips!
My guess is that for these roads you can't do it any faster than 115km/h average because of the speed limits. In a Diesel this is possible without refueling but I guess you'd have to stop at least once to pee so that will take 10min including the detours. I estimate about 9 hours. To make it fair you'd stop to eat like Bjørn so 9:30 would be realistic.
@@David-qs5ii e-Niro would perform excellent on the 1000 km test. It wouldn't be far behind X and e-tron due to the low consumption and decent charging.
@@putrid_swamp_juice It needs to be Tesla supercharger v3(at least for now) in order to get 200-250kw charge for Tesla. On ionity model 3 can reach almost 200kw(on v3 250kw!) but not x and s... But my point is that model x can get a bit faster via update and improved chargers, not like many of the competitors - what you buy is what you get! (eqc, etron, ipace etc..)
The Full charged at the beginning makes a lot difference, coz like you say 10% won't charged the battery fast. So in theory if you just fully charged it from start, the trip will not be that long. Right?
@@bjornnyland 17:30 This 9% battery and 5 mins battery charge time estimation is what I'm talking about. The 5 mins charge time is not my concern, it's the 9%. Just because you didn't start at 100% it cost your battery to be less than 10% and it affects the charging rate of the battery. This is my point. Estimating the remaining 9% to mins overall time trip doesn't makes sense. Because what you did at the beginning led to a domino effect.
@@bjornnyland 1st trip/stop at 4:15 8% left, If you just 100% fully charged it at the beginning, it will be 10% more and charge rate will be fast, not slow. IF your theory is correct that 10% less won't charge the car faster. This is my point and estimating the 9% to just 5 mins from overall time doesn't make sense.
Someone with a Raven should do a test starting DC charging below 10% on both supercharger and then Ionity, to figure out if there is something wonky about that Ionity or CCS adapter charging. Charging rate is lower than on old 60/75/90/100's below 10%. Its very strange, and from what I saw in the video, charge rate looked better on the supercharger session?
My record on supercharger with the MX used in the challenge is 144 kW but on ionity it's 138. Not a big difference. The car charged slower than what both me and Bjørn has seen previously but not by much.. And it was how the car behaved this day. Not much to do about it. But yes it does ramp up equally slow on supercharger. It just peaks a bit higher. Sometimes it ramps at 12%, sometimes at 15%, or in my case with the 144 kW record it didn't ramp up until 17-18%.
If you watched another video that Bijorn shot of a test he did with the Mercedes EQC, he concluded that the EQC is more efficient than e-tron and i-pace thus has better range. Not sure how these cars compare in ride handling, comfort and charging speed. In previous videos, e-tron can charge fast. That is a big plus. The problem is it's consumption is high. Also, e-tron has some other bugs that need to be fixed. Also, I do not know yet what the price on the EQC is yet compared to the e-tron. To me, fast charging availability is a big deal when traveling on long road trips.
Our planet is in deep shiiiiieeeet! 19C in Norway- Sweden end of September ..... Is this normal temperatures for Scandinavian countries this period of the year?
@@finnbergesen9466 no need for the irony dear friend. It is just a strange thing for a guy not living in these countries. In my hometown at the mediterranean we have exactly the same Temp. that is why it sounds really strange... No need for the "iggloo" thing!
@@dimmate7474 You are right anyways, its been warmer than the normal average for september. At least in Norway. Southern Sweden (where Bjørn turns around) is probably somewhat warmer.
Only have I ever seen the real world use of an EV for distance on Bjorns channel, this is because Bjorn actually uses the EVs hard,1000km then charges and eats as you do! I run a 2014 Model S P85 and those times look consistent with long journeys but ive never done 1000km. Its interesting the eTron is close, I think Tesla are ahead by a good margin it was a good choice to buy the Tesla its performance is still not been beaten 5 years on! Its going to be interesting when Model S gets the new cells.
For interest there is an argument the million mile cells are Solid State - This UA-camr is an experienced engineer and he presents his argument. ua-cam.com/channels/c1L6uMrBvZiB0lTLy84GQQ.html Tesla's new Million Mile Battery: Is it solid state? If so cats and canaries
@@yvindVagenJgtnes According to him, all the Tesla supercharger stalls you see in the video are shared. This implies that Model X will perform poorly because it can't charge faster. This is why he needs Ionity to get a good result. Non-tesla cars (such as E-tron, EQC, and more) would perform same as Tesla, thanks to the fast charger network, Ionity.
So to save extra 2 hours for the trip you pay $90,000 extra? Also allows you to get no second party repairs or operating parts and wait months for body parts. Oops forgot the insurance difference. If the people you are trying to impress knew the truth they would have a chuckle. (:
@@johnchartrand5910 Its only minutes to and from, it does not matter at all in the long run, when you don't have a race, actually its completely the other way around. Tesla is just a matter of entering your destination, it will tell you where to stop for charge, and for how long, you can see how many available chargers there are before you arrive, it will heat your battery for optimal charging speed if its cold, there is no fiddling around with apps or RFID chips, just push the button on the handle, it will open the charge port for you, and you can plug in. You will get a push message on your phone telling you when there is five minute left of charging and then again when its ready to leave for the next destination. Its lightyears ahead of e-tron and EQC and other cars with CCS >50kW on a long trip, which also has A LOT less chargers to choose from. I have both a long range >50kW CCS car and a Model X, and the planning part is not even a competition, its a walkover for Tesla. I can just get in the car and go, whilst in the CCS car I have to do my homework, I have to figure out somewhere around where I have to charge, and figure out if its from an operator that I already have an account and RFID or app from, or if I have to order some sort of card or other crap. Its a disaster.
The number of EVs Bjorne has convinced others to use for their daily commute far outweighs the cost of these experiments. It is a small cost to promote the new technology.
Love the interior of that Model X, the contrast between wood (nature) and technology and the soft cream color makes the technology stand out while still remembering nature.
I take 10 hours to travel 1000km in a Ford Ranger 3.2 TDI Wildtrack. That Model 3 Performance has just shown me that I don't need an internal combustion engine on a sedan period.
Won't the ramp up be faster when you navigate to a supercharger because of the new battery preconditioning it does when you're approaching a supercharger?
That was my thinking as well but if that's the case they should really update the software to make this precharging happen for any charger destination typed in
He was travelling big distance... Probably the battery was hot enough. But I am agree with you. May be the preconditioning is a necessary thing to do if you wanna super charge. It's strange.
Battery was already warm enough.
@@bjornnyland Then why does it charge that slow ?
@@ryccoh He said, maybe because he charge the car below 10%. That's why the 100% battery from the starts makes a big difference.
1st trip/stop at 4:15 8% left, If he just 100% fully charged it at the beginning, it will be 10% more and charge rate will be fast, not slow. IF his theory is correct that 10% less won't charge the car faster.
Wouldn't that initial 9% keep you above the 10% SoC which would've saved you some time because of that slow initial ramp up from the 10%?
If that's the case, then the Model X Raven should be even faster.
I think he would have just chosen a further charger. He is used to aiming for 10%, which is normally the fastest way to charge. He has estimated 5mins because 8 kWh at 96kW would take about 5 mins.
@@MrGonzonator Still, now that we realized it's better to aim for ~15%, a new test could be performed with this info in mind.
This guy is the only one who apologize for dirty windscreen, the rest of those "pro" drivers drive with such dirt on the windscreen that you can't see out. I think that every driver should keep his car and windows clean, for safety and better view! Keep up the good work!
I think that the loss in time is more than 5 minutes because when you started with 91% , you arrived at 9% to super/fast charger and get an average speed from 9% to 17 % of 80 kW instead of 130 kW. 8% of battery 92 * .08= 7.36 kWh. At 80 kW of power it takes 6 minutes to reach 17 %, but with 130/150 kW will reach this in 3 minutes. for 3 sessions of charging it makes about 9 minutes.
Good point
I prefer to be able to squeeze more range per KWh than having and higher max charging capacity because you may not always get a fast charger or you get stuck with shared power or the holiday location has only AC chargers.
ua-cam.com/video/uQvnEso4mUA/v-deo.html
Could you please dot the 1000km challenge in model 3 SR+? Would be good to see how it compares to LR in grand scheme of things
Budapest - Stuttgart, 1050 km one day go, next day return in same way, Day1 (3 persons): departure: 09:30 - 98% battery, arrival: 20:20 - 18% battery with about one hour afternoon traffic-jam in München. Day2 (4 persons): departure: 14:15 - 85% battery, arrival: 00:20 - 18% battery. 3 Ionity and one EnBW 150 kW chargers. The car is 4 months old, started at 20 000 km, arrived with 22 080 km. You should reach something similar... :)
Did you have range mode ON or OFF on this trip? Range mode limits battery pack cooling, which then again can reduce charge speed?
Is it possible to do a 1000km challenge with Model 3 SR+
Does someone know Model 3 SR+ charging rate at Ionity? LR gets over 190 kW, but I haven't seen SR+ results.
@@rafaelo1 I believe the SR+ is limited to 100KW Supercharger or Ionity.
Erik Stephens I thought it was 170kw?
I think it would be more fair to end the challenge with the same SoC as it was at start og the challenge (start with e.g. 94% and end with 94%). That would make cars with small batteries look better - but og course, Bjørn, it's on your rules 😁
Is the model x from 2021&22 faster in charging speed?
since there is always a ramp up period when you charge, it's more time efficient if you always charge battery to full, unless you slow down at the end too?
Please can you do 1,000km challenge in the 64kWh Hyundai Kona
or eniro :)
BMW i3 42 kWh (120Ah) I had a look at one just last weekend and apart form the navigational system it's still holding up nicely.
The extra 36kWh available in the Kona might help readdressing that. Only one way to find out for sure.
Wouldn’t the fastest way have been to select the Superchargers now that you can get 150 kw?
Nope
A quick dumb question - why are you manually cleaning the windshield every stop? Isn't it easier and better to use the wipers during driving?
The wipers won't remove bugs. Only makes a mess of them on the windscreen
Cause he is streaming and he wants to have the windshield clean?
Using wipers to clean bugs = bad idea! You will make it worse.
@@bjornnyland Got it, thanks! :)
If there is some snow and cold in the winter could you make a fast ascension to a mountain and compare it to a standard fossil. Thanks
Great stuff bjørn, keep it up!
It would be very interesting if the test could be done with a diesel car. Just to have a reference to those cars. 10, 11 or 12 hours dosen’t tell me as much, since I doesn’t drive these roads.
I could do that 1000km (620 miles) non stop in my Skoda Superb 190 sport line. I still want an e-Niro though!
David Green But how long Will it take you to drive 1000km?
Tor-Inge Johansen On UK roads, about 14 hours I guess. I was basing my reply on a trip from Fort William via West Drayton to near Portsmouth with 5 people in the car. This was 530 miles which took us about 12 hours with plenty of stops due to a bored wife and a not very good traveller in the back seat. I still had 120 miles of fuel in the tank when we got home, according to the trip computer. This Skoda is a fantastic motorway car and if I remember correctly this journey was completed at about 52mpg imperial. I would love to go to Norway and follow Bjørn on one of his road trips!
My guess is that for these roads you can't do it any faster than 115km/h average because of the speed limits.
In a Diesel this is possible without refueling but I guess you'd have to stop at least once to pee so that will take 10min including the detours.
I estimate about 9 hours. To make it fair you'd stop to eat like Bjørn so 9:30 would be realistic.
@@David-qs5ii e-Niro would perform excellent on the 1000 km test. It wouldn't be far behind X and e-tron due to the low consumption and decent charging.
Why isn't the Model X getting better charges on these chargers? Is it not optimized for them?
That looked like a weird display bug - distance jumping from 999.8 to 1000.0, then to 1000 @16:53
10:15 is not bad for a X
Is there a potential for even faster speed? Because of v3 superchargers that are still not available in Europe but will be in the future...
@@adultjunkie1647 Ionty can deliver 350kW. It's the car that is the bottle-neck, not the charger.
@@putrid_swamp_juice It needs to be Tesla supercharger v3(at least for now) in order to get 200-250kw charge for Tesla. On ionity model 3 can reach almost 200kw(on v3 250kw!) but not x and s... But my point is that model x can get a bit faster via update and improved chargers, not like many of the competitors - what you buy is what you get! (eqc, etron, ipace etc..)
@@adultjunkie1647 not with this battery pack
It will most likely not be any faster. Just some fancy max 200 kW peak and then a very agressive throttling just like we saw in this video.
The Full charged at the beginning makes a lot difference, coz like you say 10% won't charged the battery fast. So in theory if you just fully charged it from start, the trip will not be that long. Right?
Watch the whole video.
@@bjornnyland I did watch the whole video, that's why I came up to this conclusion. Based on what I observed.
@@bjornnyland 17:30 This 9% battery and 5 mins battery charge time estimation is what I'm talking about. The 5 mins charge time is not my concern, it's the 9%. Just because you didn't start at 100% it cost your battery to be less than 10% and it affects the charging rate of the battery. This is my point. Estimating the remaining 9% to mins overall time trip doesn't makes sense. Because what you did at the beginning led to a domino effect.
@@bjornnyland 1st trip/stop at 4:15 8% left, If you just 100% fully charged it at the beginning, it will be 10% more and charge rate will be fast, not slow. IF your theory is correct that 10% less won't charge the car faster. This is my point and estimating the 9% to just 5 mins from overall time doesn't make sense.
what is the mic you use? looks (sounds) handy!
Someone with a Raven should do a test starting DC charging below 10% on both supercharger and then Ionity, to figure out if there is something wonky about that Ionity or CCS adapter charging. Charging rate is lower than on old 60/75/90/100's below 10%. Its very strange, and from what I saw in the video, charge rate looked better on the supercharger session?
My record on supercharger with the MX used in the challenge is 144 kW but on ionity it's 138. Not a big difference. The car charged slower than what both me and Bjørn has seen previously but not by much.. And it was how the car behaved this day. Not much to do about it. But yes it does ramp up equally slow on supercharger. It just peaks a bit higher. Sometimes it ramps at 12%, sometimes at 15%, or in my case with the 144 kW record it didn't ramp up until 17-18%.
Really curious which one would you buy at this point, E-tron or EQC?
If you watched another video that Bijorn shot of a test he did with the Mercedes EQC, he concluded that the EQC is more efficient than e-tron and i-pace thus has better range. Not sure how these cars compare in ride handling, comfort and charging speed. In previous videos, e-tron can charge fast. That is a big plus. The problem is it's consumption is high. Also, e-tron has some other bugs that need to be fixed. Also, I do not know yet what the price on the EQC is yet compared to the e-tron. To me, fast charging availability is a big deal when traveling on long road trips.
Bjorn - when will you cover range loss when towing a trailer for the Model X or cover your experience towing with a trailer?
Our planet is in deep shiiiiieeeet! 19C in Norway- Sweden end of September ..... Is this normal temperatures for Scandinavian countries this period of the year?
It is.
Its normal. Do you also think we park our teslas in igloos?
@@finnbergesen9466 no need for the irony dear friend. It is just a strange thing for a guy not living in these countries. In my hometown at the mediterranean we have exactly the same Temp. that is why it sounds really strange... No need for the "iggloo" thing!
@@dimmate7474 You are right anyways, its been warmer than the normal average for september. At least in Norway. Southern Sweden (where Bjørn turns around) is probably somewhat warmer.
@@dimmate7474 still, the planet is nowhere near to being in deep shit...
Bjørn, you should bring a wet micro fiber cloth on your rode trips. Then you can always clean your wind screen.
This you tubers the best
Do tesla longrange have adaptive spoiler??
The Adaptive spoiler on the X was for Performance only, but they discontinued it a couple of years ago. Now all Model X have the fixed spoiler
@@SuperSiggiboy thank u
Where is the e tron
11:50 those wind turbines indicate wind from the left side, not from the back...
Incorrect.
It actually might have cost more than 15 minutes because it dipped below 10% into that super slow charging speed zone.
Audio is fine 👌👍😉
I remember that Optimus had the same charging curve, under 10% it was always slow and then 95kw ramp up.
Tech from 2012...
Yes, very strange to see that in a new raven. Good luck on selling Optimus. He will be missed.
Only have I ever seen the real world use of an EV for distance on Bjorns channel, this is because Bjorn actually uses the EVs hard,1000km then charges and eats as you do! I run a 2014 Model S P85 and those times look consistent with long journeys but ive never done 1000km. Its interesting the eTron is close, I think Tesla are ahead by a good margin it was a good choice to buy the Tesla its performance is still not been beaten 5 years on! Its going to be interesting when Model S gets the new cells.
For interest there is an argument the million mile cells are Solid State - This UA-camr is an experienced engineer and he presents his argument.
ua-cam.com/channels/c1L6uMrBvZiB0lTLy84GQQ.html
Tesla's new Million Mile Battery: Is it solid state?
If so cats and canaries
Why not just use Tesla superchargers? Why bother depending on Ionity?
Hi chose the charger that suited him best. That's one cool thing with the tesla, you can charge almost everywhere.
@@yvindVagenJgtnes According to him, all the Tesla supercharger stalls you see in the video are shared. This implies that Model X will perform poorly because it can't charge faster. This is why he needs Ionity to get a good result. Non-tesla cars (such as E-tron, EQC, and more) would perform same as Tesla, thanks to the fast charger network, Ionity.
Do the falcon wings get old after a while?
Thanks for the Video!
I thought the new Raven models could take 200kW?
Rykahnz at V3 supercharger
The Model 3 could get 200kW though at non superchargers, forgot if it was ionity or the other one
200 kW is only peak power. Just see how fast it throttled.
@@bjornnyland The Model 3? I thought it maintained that up to 50%?
Chop Chop looks a lot better than Panda Express
1000 km challenge in Optimus Prime :)
May the best Tesla win :)
So to save extra 2 hours for the trip you pay $90,000 extra? Also allows you to get no second party repairs or operating parts and wait months for body parts. Oops forgot the insurance difference. If the people you are trying to impress knew the truth they would have a chuckle. (:
+Black Knight Model X is cheaper than e-tron.
Mr logistics😅
Who else is watching this while charging?
Too bad you have to time the charging stops with a Tesla on trips, this is where the Etron and EQC shine.
Incorrect. You also have to time charging stops with e-tron and EQC.
@@bjornnyland why? ETRON charges at 150 thru 80%
@@johnchartrand5910 Its only minutes to and from, it does not matter at all in the long run, when you don't have a race, actually its completely the other way around. Tesla is just a matter of entering your destination, it will tell you where to stop for charge, and for how long, you can see how many available chargers there are before you arrive, it will heat your battery for optimal charging speed if its cold, there is no fiddling around with apps or RFID chips, just push the button on the handle, it will open the charge port for you, and you can plug in. You will get a push message on your phone telling you when there is five minute left of charging and then again when its ready to leave for the next destination. Its lightyears ahead of e-tron and EQC and other cars with CCS >50kW on a long trip, which also has A LOT less chargers to choose from. I have both a long range >50kW CCS car and a Model X, and the planning part is not even a competition, its a walkover for Tesla. I can just get in the car and go, whilst in the CCS car I have to do my homework, I have to figure out somewhere around where I have to charge, and figure out if its from an operator that I already have an account and RFID or app from, or if I have to order some sort of card or other crap. Its a disaster.
Björn is wasting all energy the EVs save with all his 1000km range test ☹️🤓
The number of EVs Bjorne has convinced others to use for their daily commute far outweighs the cost of these experiments. It is a small cost to promote the new technology.
Well said! You have one of the best comments today!
Tesla forever.