I watched the live stream almostfulltime, lurking :) Nice to see the shortened version. Pawel and Uncle Bjorn make such a good team, with limited bladder capacity :D
That bus is a VanHool Exquicity, 24 meters long. They drive on 3 different routes here now, route 1, 2 and 3. It's a diesel-hybrid, diesel-engine runs a generator and electric motors drive the 2 mid axles. But we also have fully electric busses in Trondheim now, Volvo (12 meters) and Heulieze (18 meter articulated).
The washer fluid is blue because it's concentrated as they forgot to top it up with water. It happened to me on my M3P after collection. Also the Dot4 fluid wasn't topped up either. Lacking QC.
Porch! Nice Raven with Ludicrous Pawel. Oh I like the tablet streaming... You can hum a song and UA-cam Content ID RoboCopyright BS Bot will throw the hammer at your monitization. Anyway I like some the roads to Trondheim. It's like secondary routes around here. Though no mountain ridges. Browser has some GPS bugs still but very very nice now days. Pawel sounded like he was seeing the loss when realizing you might go for Ionity
@@ZillionPrey Maybe the coment was made for others viewers. There are lots of german speaking viewers. And Bjorn likes to speak and learn german. Around the e-Tron debate we watched german vidoes with english subtitles and uses google translate when there are no english subtitles.
The new trams in trondheim are great. I was there the day they started in Trondheim and they have all the benefits of a tram without the constraints and cost of tram tracks. All electric seem perfect for commutes.
@ Bjorn. I noted the same battery degradation issue as you. It seems like a recent software update has knocked off about 3% of range. I was pretty consistent in getting 499 km during the summer when charging to 100% but now get ~485 km. I would be very interested in a video that covers this
Yes the Metro Buss in Trondheim is Electrick, with a fosil backup in case Electrick stuff gets out. Bjørn you shell ask ATB in Trondheim for a thour in the buss when its parked I bet they wil give you access.
Only some of the other buses in Trondheim can run on electricity. The long 24m metro-buses are series hybrids that run on HVO biodiesel. See my top-level comment for more.
Only some of the smaller buses in Trondheim can run on electricity. The long 24m metro-buses that can bend in 2 places are series hybrids that run on HVO biodiesel. The wheels are driven by 2 electric motors on 2 axles, but there is only a small battery to let the biodiesel engine run more evenly and efficiently and to recover energy when breaking. I do not know if the battery can be charged directly, but even if it can, it will be just a small percentage of the energy. I have not found data specifically for the Trondheim metro-buses but assume they are about the same as the previous such buses imported to Norway: 2 x 180kw electric motors, 36kwh battery, 206 kW biodiesel engine at 2200rpm fixed speed. These buses are about 36 metric tons fully loaded (equivalent to about 24 cars) so they are NOT quick, and have trouble attaining a decent speed uphill. The whole bus fleet was changed out with 113 (41%) biogas buses, 142 (47%) HVO diodiesel busses including the 58 metro-buses and finally 35 (12%) 12m and 18m battery electric buses. The battery electric buses are charged briefly but superfast (max 450kw) at endpoints plus at the depots where a few electric buses can charge superfast and the rest overnight at regular CCS chargers.
Great video Bjørn! Can I make a small request? Please, let everyone know how much of this trip you drive with auto pilot! I think its pretty important info for many noobs that are still new to Tesla and its self driving capability. Thanks...
@@-Harry- You have to say that its impressive(to quote Bjørn " impressive shit! ;) " 99% of the time!? And not only that it stays in the lane, it actually changes lanes!? according to trafic etc..Works in the rain, at night, when lines are almost faded, outside the highway...And what I noticed is that car was so dirty and AP still kept running!?! Btw, thanks Bjørn!
Yes, it is the best assistant system. But for now it can't read traffic lights and street signs, and does some weird phantom breaks. It needs hardware and software updates to improve this system and future customers have to pay more. So I am not impressed.
I think at this point it makes no difference for all practical purposes. At those kinds of distances (and beyond) you never know how traffic is going to be. So calculating with "a few minutes less because I have this Tesla vs. that Tesla" is more of a theoretical excercise than a real world effect. (Of cousrse "this Tesla" vs "that non-Tesla" will still have significant impact on time as could be seen by the eCannonball in germany a few weeks ago)
If I have to spend a little longer in any car it would be the model S p100d raven. When you have these races. You should do a shorter race. Then switch drivers. And cars and drive back. See if there is a difference.
In general, I think Bjorn's videos are too long... but I watched the entire 40 min vid this time! Two weeks ago, I plugged into a 150 kW supercharger and pulled 3kW for 1.5 hours! it was fine by me though, gave me plenty of time to eat lunch without getting idling fees.
I really think if Tesla had upgraded the Model S and X interiors they’d be selling a lot more of them. Little things like the really old steering wheel and turn signal/gear selector stalks don’t feel premium or even as nice as the ones in the Model 3 and the steering wheel is so freaking huge! It feels like it’s twice the size it needs to be. I also much prefer the 3’s landscape orientation for the screen vs. the S/X’s portrait layout. My range is also decreasing like Bjorn’s in my P3D+. Mine is down to 259mi at 90% and 288mi at 100%, compared to 279mi/310mi when new.
"winter is coming... The 'Leafs' have left" for some reason I was thinking about Nissan leaf. Winter is already here for the leaf. Tesla is destroying them.
We have the same problem with tesla have cut the range by about 20km in our s75d with one of the updates last month. i complained to service center (tesla Rud), they said that they cut the range at the bottom to prevent battery from total discharge. kind of unfair that tesla didn't ask us if we want it or not.
Efficiency of your new long range Model S performance is beyond impressive Pawel! Please lend this beauty to the EV Ambassador, so he can do a 1000km challenge with it. I will probably beat the Model 3 performance time of 10:10.
Bjørn, I think you should mount a camera to your windshield so you don’t have to hold the camera while driving. Edit: I know he has his live stream camera but I bet he could just pull it from the live stream.
I don't get it, if the Model 3 is 10 percent more efficient and charged faster than what happened? I guess the S started with 70km more range but I'm guessing you guys did over 1000km? Still should've won by at least 15 minutes.
Hey Bjorn. Did you get your Model 3 treated with anti-rust treatment? Like Dinitrol or something. Tesla DK says that it will void our warranty if we do so..?
Did Pawel navigate to the first supercharger? Wasn't the Tesla supposed to heat up the battery to prepare for fast charging IF one navigates to the supercharger? If he didn't, then that would explain the lower initial speed. Edit: I guess he did navigate to the supercharger...mkay then.
@@bjornnyland It would be interesting to have a "calculated best case scenario time" and compared with the actual performance of the driver/car/weather/miscellaneous after the race (to not spoil the tension) just for some extra fun. For example, what would be this cbcst for an Model S Raven 19" that rides the 140kwh wave and arrives with 5% to destination.
The upgraded Raven motors that were taken from the Model 3 just for the front motor I believe. They boost range and efficiency by over 10%. I think they also made the differential more efficient.
Dzien dobry! 😉 Nice video, Pawel and Bjørn! 143 kw charges 700 km/h in my car, a P100D. Do you have the range settings on "rated" or "typical"? I see that you guys have much higher km/h per kw charging than my car.
I’m obviously not Bjørn but I’ll answer your question anyway from my point of view. It depends of course on if you need the extra space in the Model S. But let me assume you don’t since you’re considering the Model 3. For 50k you’d get a SR+ M3 or a pre facelift MS 85 or with some luck maybe a Dual Motor one which will be a little more efficient. If that’s important which is another interesting factor: What’s your plan with the car? Model S is charging slower but has more battery capacity and the extra space is incredibly big, especially in the RWD frunk. I had 3 bikes and 3 people in my Model S for mountain biking tours. 😳 Anyway. I’d gladly help you if you specify your use a little more.
@@Torben1411 I Live in WI and work in MN. It would be my commuting car(125 miles a day). I want dual motor and larger battery due to the extreme cold and snow. I have 3 kids but we use a 2017 minivan for most family stuff. The S size would be good but I think with the new battery and faster charging we are going with a 3 unless someone has a compelling reason to get a used $50k S.
The Model 3 Performance simply doesn't have a batter pack capable of outputting the same amount of continuous power, a powerful enough inverter, and motors as the S LR Performance.
Aah, a Pawel vs Bjørn race, nostalgic!
That Raven Model S is an impressive beast.
Impressive. Two very efficient cars and drivers who know what they‘re doing. 😄
Times are certainly changing - got passed today by a Model S, a Model 3 and a new Leaf within 10 secs of each other in my little Welsh town today.
WOW that Model S it's a beauty!
" that crazy bastard.....sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet." Nice video.
I watched the live stream almostfulltime, lurking :) Nice to see the shortened version. Pawel and Uncle Bjorn make such a good team, with limited bladder capacity :D
I didn’t Even skip 10sec in this video. Fun to watch😀
He had a "type 3 discharge", hilarious 😂
Love your race videos Bjorn! Real world testing is the only way. The raven S is impressive!!
That bus is a VanHool Exquicity, 24 meters long. They drive on 3 different routes here now, route 1, 2 and 3.
It's a diesel-hybrid, diesel-engine runs a generator and electric motors drive the 2 mid axles.
But we also have fully electric busses in Trondheim now, Volvo (12 meters) and Heulieze (18 meter articulated).
The washer fluid is blue because it's concentrated as they forgot to top it up with water. It happened to me on my M3P after collection. Also the Dot4 fluid wasn't topped up either. Lacking QC.
Porch! Nice Raven with Ludicrous Pawel. Oh I like the tablet streaming...
You can hum a song and UA-cam Content ID RoboCopyright BS Bot will throw the hammer at your monitization.
Anyway I like some the roads to Trondheim. It's like secondary routes around here. Though no mountain ridges.
Browser has some GPS bugs still but very very nice now days.
Pawel sounded like he was seeing the loss when realizing you might go for Ionity
Tolles Video! Das Anschauen hat richtig viel Spass gemacht. Super gut.
Both Bjørn and Pavel speak viking or english.
@@ZillionPrey Maybe the coment was made for others viewers. There are lots of german speaking viewers. And Bjorn likes to speak and learn german. Around the e-Tron debate we watched german vidoes with english subtitles and uses google translate when there are no english subtitles.
@@ZillionPrey und ich spreche deutsch - muss ich deshalb schweigen?
The new trams in trondheim are great. I was there the day they started in Trondheim and they have all the benefits of a tram without the constraints and cost of tram tracks. All electric seem perfect for commutes.
@ Bjorn. I noted the same battery degradation issue as you. It seems like a recent software update has knocked off about 3% of range. I was pretty consistent in getting 499 km during the summer when charging to 100% but now get ~485 km. I would be very interested in a video that covers this
Thanks for the info :)
😳
The rage estimate always drops with the outside temperature. It will get much worse as winter comes.
I think the range is a little shorter (more correct) after the V10 update. Same in my Model3 Performance.
To Pawel. Blue wiper fluid suggests strong chemical content. It was probably unmixed -60 degree fluid. You should always mix with water.
or get a blue car ;)
That's really interesting. M3's efficiency is making it a better car at a far cheaper price. That's good tech development for you
Yes the Metro Buss in Trondheim is Electrick, with a fosil backup in case Electrick stuff gets out. Bjørn you shell ask ATB in Trondheim for a thour in the buss when its parked I bet they wil give you access.
Only some of the other buses in Trondheim can run on electricity. The long 24m metro-buses are series hybrids that run on HVO biodiesel. See my top-level comment for more.
Can't wait for the next challenge! :D
Great video. I really appreciate all the effort you go to!
What a beauty ... congrats Pawel !
Only some of the smaller buses in Trondheim can run on electricity. The long 24m metro-buses that can bend in 2 places are series hybrids that run on HVO biodiesel. The wheels are driven by 2 electric motors on 2 axles, but there is only a small battery to let the biodiesel engine run more evenly and efficiently and to recover energy when breaking. I do not know if the battery can be charged directly, but even if it can, it will be just a small percentage of the energy. I have not found data specifically for the Trondheim metro-buses but assume they are about the same as the previous such buses imported to Norway: 2 x 180kw electric motors, 36kwh battery, 206 kW biodiesel engine at 2200rpm fixed speed. These buses are about 36 metric tons fully loaded (equivalent to about 24 cars) so they are NOT quick, and have trouble attaining a decent speed uphill. The whole bus fleet was changed out with 113 (41%) biogas buses, 142 (47%) HVO diodiesel busses including the 58 metro-buses and finally 35 (12%) 12m and 18m battery electric buses. The battery electric buses are charged briefly but superfast (max 450kw) at endpoints plus at the depots where a few electric buses can charge superfast and the rest overnight at regular CCS chargers.
More of these videoes Bjørn!!!!!!
I have the same blue glass fluid in my SR+ I got 1 week ago in the south of France ;)
It's unmixed fluid with high chemical content and very low freezing temperature. Add some water and it's fine.
Mathieu Cacchia Haha LOL 🤩
Great video Bjørn! Can I make a small request? Please, let everyone know how much of this trip you drive with auto pilot! I think its pretty important info for many noobs that are still new to Tesla and its self driving capability. Thanks...
99 %
More interesting because I am still sceptical and don't believe in self driving soon: how often he had to restart this assistant system ?
@@-Harry- You have to say that its impressive(to quote Bjørn " impressive shit! ;) " 99% of the time!? And not only that it stays in the lane, it actually changes lanes!? according to trafic etc..Works in the rain, at night, when lines are almost faded, outside the highway...And what I noticed is that car was so dirty and AP still kept running!?! Btw, thanks Bjørn!
Yes, it is the best assistant system. But for now it can't read traffic lights and street signs, and does some weird phantom breaks. It needs hardware and software updates to improve this system and future customers have to pay more. So I am not impressed.
In theory the Model 3 gets better as longer you drive isn’t it? But if you need to go just 400 km the P100 is the better car?
I think at this point it makes no difference for all practical purposes. At those kinds of distances (and beyond) you never know how traffic is going to be. So calculating with "a few minutes less because I have this Tesla vs. that Tesla" is more of a theoretical excercise than a real world effect. (Of cousrse "this Tesla" vs "that non-Tesla" will still have significant impact on time as could be seen by the eCannonball in germany a few weeks ago)
These races are fun to watch👌🏻
Model S looks awesome 😍 Such a timeless design.
Gratulacje dla Pawla - fantastyczny samochod :) (Congrats to Pavel - fantastic car :D)
lotnik1976 Dzieki! 👌🤩
If I have to spend a little longer in any car it would be the model S p100d raven. When you have these races. You should do a shorter race. Then switch drivers. And cars and drive back. See if there is a difference.
This is great reminds me of the movie Troll Hunter!
In general, I think Bjorn's videos are too long... but I watched the entire 40 min vid this time! Two weeks ago, I plugged into a 150 kW supercharger and pulled 3kW for 1.5 hours! it was fine by me though, gave me plenty of time to eat lunch without getting idling fees.
If the Model S can keep up so well with just Raven, imagine what it will be like with Plaid drive train?!
It's like watching a chess match between 2 racers. 😂
If I win the lottery I am getting that Model S. Looks sick.
I really think if Tesla had upgraded the Model S and X interiors they’d be selling a lot more of them. Little things like the really old steering wheel and turn signal/gear selector stalks don’t feel premium or even as nice as the ones in the Model 3 and the steering wheel is so freaking huge! It feels like it’s twice the size it needs to be. I also much prefer the 3’s landscape orientation for the screen vs. the S/X’s portrait layout.
My range is also decreasing like Bjorn’s in my P3D+. Mine is down to 259mi at 90% and 288mi at 100%, compared to 279mi/310mi when new.
4:00 .. is that the auto lane change feature that doesnt require you to accept with the blinker stock ? .. or jst "manual" auto lane change ?
I’m lucky I have the Raven P100D Ludicrous Raven. I guess the front motor from the Model 3 in the Raven makes it more efficient.
PSUdoctor333 🤩👍
190wh/km on a Model S seems pretty good for a car that size.
You should have lended one of the few norwegian deliverede, off-menu lr rwd model 3´s and test for a new range test.
"winter is coming... The 'Leafs' have left" for some reason I was thinking about Nissan leaf. Winter is already here for the leaf. Tesla is destroying them.
Lebogang Ratsoana
What’s even more embarrassing for Nissan is that everyone else has passed them too...
Finally!!!! Another race
How are you seeing each other’s cars on the map
Glympse app on phone with account can be shared and opened in a web browser.
Like this account: glympse.com/!Teslabjorn
Is that a question
Thumbs up for Pawel, he is a cool guy!
This is funny. Bjorn is funny.
Hey, Do you have to pay for the supercharger in norway?
We have the same problem with tesla have cut the range by about 20km in our s75d with one of the updates last month. i complained to service center (tesla Rud), they said that they cut the range at the bottom to prevent battery from total discharge. kind of unfair that tesla didn't ask us if we want it or not.
I think you never drive it down to zero anyway
Paweł bought his Tesla or won from referrals?
He has a loan on the car so he bought it
Efficiency of your new long range Model S performance is beyond impressive Pawel! Please lend this beauty to the EV Ambassador, so he can do a 1000km challenge with it. I will probably beat the Model 3 performance time of 10:10.
Bjørn, I think you should mount a camera to your windshield so you don’t have to hold the camera while driving.
Edit: I know he has his live stream camera but I bet he could just pull it from the live stream.
I thought the Raven / latest cars do not have badges like the “P100D” Pavel has on his here?
He bought from eBay.
Hold on, why does Pawel have a P100D badge if he’s got a Raven? It should say Dual Motor with a red line underneath just like on Bjørn’s car??
Pawel customized it himself.
Get Muxsan Ultra Leaf(Old leaf with 40KWh battery and 18KWh range extender)... And go against Kona and limit charging to 50KW...
Poor Pavel xD sonething silly always happen with him at the end :D
I don't get it, if the Model 3 is 10 percent more efficient and charged faster than what happened? I guess the S started with 70km more range but I'm guessing you guys did over 1000km? Still should've won by at least 15 minutes.
what about New Leaf VS New Zoe
Where did you get that SpaceX decal?
Will Barnstead ebay 🙂
Hey Bjorn.
Did you get your Model 3 treated with anti-rust treatment? Like Dinitrol or something. Tesla DK says that it will void our warranty if we do so..?
Nice car, Pavel. I like it better than Model 3. Two minutes slower, but that's peanuts.
Here comes the race! Race for the win.
Pawel pronunciation of "schmutzig" was fairly perfect.
Artur Wiebe Ha ha, thank you (dancke)
478km rather than 500 is due to the outside temperature.
Nope.
That S is beatifull.....
Did Pawel navigate to the first supercharger? Wasn't the Tesla supposed to heat up the battery to prepare for fast charging IF one navigates to the supercharger? If he didn't, then that would explain the lower initial speed.
Edit: I guess he did navigate to the supercharger...mkay then.
Known issue with Raven packs: If SoC is below 20 %, he won't get full 140 kW speed.
@@bjornnyland It would be interesting to have a "calculated best case scenario time" and compared with the actual performance of the driver/car/weather/miscellaneous after the race (to not spoil the tension) just for some extra fun. For example, what would be this cbcst for an Model S Raven 19" that rides the 140kwh wave and arrives with 5% to destination.
It was interesting to watch the hidden 5 kWh video then this one afterward, how you started to realize the missing range shieeet
2:33 Nothing’s wrong with your car. It’s claimed to have 300 miles of range or just over 480 Km of range
What makes it a raven edition?
The upgraded Raven motors that were taken from the Model 3 just for the front motor I believe. They boost range and efficiency by over 10%. I think they also made the differential more efficient.
No 175/350 kW Ionity chargers on the route?
Where Pawel bought that SpaceX Logo?
Ebay
Pawel's SP100DL on 19" with Nereus would be interresting!
Bjorn which car would you recommend, Tesla Model S 85 2014 with 100k km or the new Nissan Leaf 2019?
I'm not Björn but it's always better to have the new car because the upkeep is cheaper and you have warranty.
Would have been even better for you if you just had the Dual Motor non performance, which is more efficient.
Alex Kozubenko Would be even better better if he got a single (rear) motor non Performance, wich is even more efficient.
Dzien dobry! 😉 Nice video, Pawel and Bjørn! 143 kw charges 700 km/h in my car, a P100D. Do you have the range settings on "rated" or "typical"? I see that you guys have much higher km/h per kw charging than my car.
Is it actually a Raven if it says "P100D" instead of "Dual Motor"?
Those decals are not standard. Pawel added them.
@@bjornnyland I see, thx!
is it me or is the model S is much quieter than the model 3 ?
It is. I had a S loaner for a month and when I got my 3 back I was very disappointed in the noise level.
holy moly that model 3 is dirty at, 20:25 :D
Lol, you're clearly standing close to the McDonalds there... (Recognising the trash bin's)
Model S has a heat pump and Model 3’s made before 2021 year model do not. This explains the slower charging
Incorrect. None of these cars have heat pump.
Pawel lost because he had to pie to early. :D
DREAMTEAM!!!
type 3 discharge lmao!!1 i bet hardly anyone got that.
Race was won and lost the moment we saw the wheel sizes LOL
“Sheeeeeeeet” 😂
Bjorn I have been watching for a while. For our first Tesla would you recommend us get a model S with 50,000 or a new Model 3 for the same price???
I’m obviously not Bjørn but I’ll answer your question anyway from my point of view. It depends of course on if you need the extra space in the Model S. But let me assume you don’t since you’re considering the Model 3. For 50k you’d get a SR+ M3 or a pre facelift MS 85 or with some luck maybe a Dual Motor one which will be a little more efficient. If that’s important which is another interesting factor: What’s your plan with the car?
Model S is charging slower but has more battery capacity and the extra space is incredibly big, especially in the RWD frunk. I had 3 bikes and 3 people in my Model S for mountain biking tours. 😳
Anyway. I’d gladly help you if you specify your use a little more.
Model 3
@@Torben1411 I Live in WI and work in MN. It would be my commuting car(125 miles a day). I want dual motor and larger battery due to the extreme cold and snow. I have 3 kids but we use a 2017 minivan for most family stuff. The S size would be good but I think with the new battery and faster charging we are going with a 3 unless someone has a compelling reason to get a used $50k S.
Easy. Model 3
M3P vs M3LR race, please!
If pavel came in only 2mins later while driving the wrong way, the S had performed actually better
His wrong detour only cost him 10-15 seconds.
That dirt in winter is why you shouldn't have a white car ;)
Disagree. Optimus Prime looked like a black car during the dark Norwegian winters. Having a white car is quite refreshing.
Leafs have left, cause they're useless.
Model 3 performance is software limited. If they unlocked it's full performance it would smoke the heavier model S.
What in model 3 is software limited?
It has way less power so no it would not smoke a model S
Incorrect.
The Model 3 Performance simply doesn't have a batter pack capable of outputting the same amount of continuous power, a powerful enough inverter, and motors as the S LR Performance.
Third
First :)
🤣😂 boring, no chance , great work now clean the cars