Nissan Leaf 1000 km challenge in winter
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
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I'm glad the cold held off the rapidgating until 2/3 way through. Always a treat to see the long streams and then your videos. Entirely different experiences plus very informational.
Edit: Just when you think it is over.... Bonus Battery Stats!
You didn't make big mistakes. Nissan did when they decided not to actively heat and cool their battery pack.
It’s only heating.
On the plus side, it makes used ones cheap if you can deal with that.
@@brianw.4985 Yep. This car has a market and can be a steal for people that weren't expecting to use this car for long trips and can charge at home. I'm hoping there will be a reasonably priced battery replacement program in the next ten years, but the Chademo plug will likely keep you from wanting to go more than 150 miles from home.
@@lanceareadbhar It all depends on where you live. In Norway, where this review was made, you'll find fast chargers all over the country. Just a few that exceeds 50 kW, though. You are right when it comes to the market. It is still the most sold EV in Norway, beside Tesla, in spite of the lack of battery cooling system. The advantage of the car is its usability for a family as a back hatch. Also, that Nissan can deliver the car almost without waiting for weeks and months. The car has a well known limitation that is just fine when you know about it and you don't challenge the limitations. It's a great car for average people who need a car for practical reasons and not as a toy or adrenaline kicker.
@@ritz5606 A rare reasonable comment. Good deal
I live in TN, USA where only Leaf, Bolt and Tesla are sold. Thanks Bjorn for doing a few Leaf videos. I own 24kwh for almost 5-years. As you can imagine, it is much worse for us 24-pack drivers. The worst part is passengers have no patience for charging. It starts many fights. Thanks, again. I always love watching a Leaf video.
Excellent car, love my e+. Best ev for me. Tested it against M3 and went for the Leaf e+!!!
Recently joined your Patreon. Love your vids dude. Really entertaining.
Yeah, he da man. Always has been.
At the end of the day it’s still a 2010 design. Miles ahead of the competion in 2010 but now .....
Matthew Spry Agreed but somehow I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Great test! Cheers. 👍 In Australia, the Leaf is almost $60k. Wow, seriously over valued by Nissan. For an EV, I wouldn’t recommend it. Thank You for confirming how behind Nissan is compared to other manufacturers.
Too many stops for 1,000km. I bet the battery will have issues much earlier than other brands.
Well actually the capacity is not that bad. With 62 kWh it is actually pretty decent.
About battery problems: Well the high temps could be a problem but the battery did not went over 50°C so it should be fine. Then the lower charging speeds actually save the battery. I would not be surprised if it would actually last longer than comparable cars.
Also the only thing it is missing is active battery cooling. That is no rocket science but yeah right now the leaf is just something for the city. Long trips are a torture-
If you use it for traveling to and from work everyday (from outer suburbs to CBD for example) this car is perfect. If you are driving say from Sydney to Brisbane or Sydney to Melbourne in one shot (similar distances) then it’ll be best to get the Kona. Australia is intensely hot right now, which does not suit the leaf for longer distances (shorter distances, say within 1-2 rapid charges, will still be ok) ... so shorter to mid distances the Leaf is ok, longer-get something else. But the draw back here is the price ... way too expensive.
Caine Frost true and agree. For an added $10k, you can buy a bottom of the line TM3 with better range, performance, comfort, looks, handling, battery management system, supercharger network (it’s expanding), etc.
To add, the simple 300km trip between Sydney and Canberra would be impossible with the Leaf. Just so limited. Not worth the huge asking price.
I agree 62 kWh isn't bad. The Long Range 3 is 75 kWh, Standard Plus is about 53 kWh which is still very nice
@@nukularpictures The Leaf's battery will die much sooner than the one in any car with active battery (edit: cooling/heating) management. The main problem is the length of time the battery remains at a higher temperature, not so much what peak temperature it reaches for a short period of time.
For $40KUSD, I thin Bjorn's specs are the "table stakes" now: 225 mi real-world range, 100kW peak charging, active battery cooling, and CCS.
From what I've learnt internal resistance of the battery during charging increase with increased SoC over ~50%. If that is correct, it might be worth looking into if it can be beneficial to avoid recharging to much more than 50% SoC when possible, as internal resistance not only means loss of usable energy, but also produce heat.
If you look at the temp display, whenever it gets above 37-38c is when he started running into slow charging speeds. The car is throttling charging because battery is hot, and will continue to drop charging speed as temp rises during charging. That's why it was taking so long and down to 19kW at 43c.
Would be fun to see a test with Tesla Model 3 SR Plus and of course I hope Björn soon will get the hands on a Taycan!
Great video. Perhaps someone will invent an adaptor CSS to Chademo?
Here we come in 2024.
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When you were eating that sausage a bird flew overhead. First thing I thought was "Kookaburra coming for that snag"
They really need to implement a single type of charger for electric cars. Gasoline and diesel cars have different fillers but thats it, it doesnt change between bmw and nissan. They need to set a standard for charging plugs.
Well we have 2 standards. CCS and CHAdeMO
. Both dependent mostly on the region. In Asia CHAdeMO
is much more common. So the leaf is just a weird outlaw and will likely change in the future. Then we have the standard
In Europe Type 2 / CCS is the agreed-upon standard. It's just that Nissan hasn't chosen to use it yet. Almost all other auto makers have switched over to CCS, including Tesla.
Bravo !
You are a very brave man ! Always very interesting
Thx for this review
Hey Bjørn, good and useful test as usual. Are you planning to group different tests into playlists? For example this 1000 km challenge already deserves its own playlist. Would make it easier to search for similar tests of other models for comparison. Another obvious playlist would be "Races".
I like the sausage :) ultra long!
22:45 ... i was hoping for a type overflow and that the leaf would count from -999 to 0 .. kind of disappointed that it just stopped counting at all XD
Great video as always. Leaf just not keeping pace with rest and overpriced.
1000km challenge on i3 120Ah maybe if you have time and energy? Frustrating that still only 50kw charging but should do in around 12h I suspect as little throttling even at 80-90%.
Hello. If the speedometer says 110km/h and the GPS says 103km/h, does this affect the accuracy of the odometer too ?
That's almost 10% difference, and that could mean that the odometer indicates 1000km when you are a bit over 900 real km ...
Am I wrong or am I wrong ?
Less traffic in gothenburg this week because the schools have "höstlov". Many adults then take vacation from their work.
I was right it will rapidgate and also with temperatures around freezing still takes many hours to cool down.
Bjørn, have you tested how load affects range? For example 4 adults and some luggage?
Speaking as a coder, the 999.9 is nothing to do with integers or shorts; it's down to their display formatting ;-)
This car is really terrible, like most of the EVs would be worse in cold condition, but this one is better because it has no cooling, but over 14 hours is still ridicilouse, especially for that price, I don't understand who can buy it, for similar or less you get Model 3 SR+, Kona, E- Soul and now for less VW ID.3. All with CCS, cooling and higher charging speed. Really no idea who still buys it.
You should make a model 3 sr+ test like this.
Or any model 3.
Why there is no option to buy some kind of chademo to ccs converter plug. There should be some possibility to do it. This will be a great idea.
Excellent. And now for the Ioniq 38kWh? It would be very interesting to compare the 28 kWh against the new 38kWh on such a distance.
Hej! I live in northern Sweden and want to buy the 2022 car. I mostly stick around my area but once or twice a year I travel to southern Sweden. I read in some comments that you can’t super charge more than once a day… is that true ???
Seat has cheap ev now (200€/month lease). Should be fun to see how that performs.
When you pay with RFID in different countries chargers. Do they take a commission for the currency exchange ???
Thanks !!
No
@@bjornnyland Thanks so much Bjørn ! I appreciate :)
The only thing I could have seen you do to get it under 14 hours would be to stop more often to charge up to 65-70%, but that also wouldn't be a real world test.
10:58 sums it up for me!
Why did Nissan produce a selection knob with "D" for normal driving if you are supposed to use "B" all the time?
bjorn da man
Happy holiday in Thailand. I hope you can give wifi some more attention instead of EV's. May be you go with 2 and come back with 3. That would be nice!!! I m jealous. -1°C here I want to go to Thailand also.
Oh shiiiiiiiiiitttttt
In the first song you played there is a beeping in the background. It has the same tone as my alarm clock.
It is insane that even with these low temp it cannot control its temperature. My winter temps are around 26°c outside and only for a short time of the year
It's not the length that counts but girth right? :)
That hod dog looked like a viking helmet.
Dude, that sausage is way more than a foot -- 12 inches -- more like 1.5 or 18 inch. Good video. Is it really worth taking a trip in an EV, if it's not a Tesla?
🤣
I would like to see the e-golf do the 1000km test as well, almost seems like its a contender vs this car
ua-cam.com/video/NM_aoQMcg4Y/v-deo.html
Not 1000 km but a race.
Bjørn ua-cam.com/video/G_B1Z9lrBwU/v-deo.html
If nissan leaf 62kwh rapidgating at 50kw Chademo, how bad is att 100kw Chademo ?
Race idea: 2020 Ioniq vs 2019 Leaf E+? Or would that be too easy for Ioniq?
Isaac Ioniq charges even slower so not sure, could be interesting
What is the GIDs on leafspy?
Good video Thanks! What about M3 SR+ ?
Are you taking a 1000km Test with the new Renault Zoe 50 ?
Which software do you use to get that data? Obd port wifi? Love to have that for my Kona
LeafSpy using the OBD Port. Unfortunately the app only supports Leaf and e-NV200.
Awsome test thank you
can you remove the test at what pressure on the cell will be a turtle ???
How do you not look tired after 14 hours on the road?
Let me guess... I had lots of long stops?
same old story with Leaf 2 : rapidgating, slow charging, boring as usual with this car. how about doing the same trip with a 2016 Leaf 30kw ? as you did it in former times Oslo-Bergen with that little dog...
13partnership there is no Leaf 30kw! 🤦♂️
What about E-208?
Nissan cannot keep up in production of 62kWh LEAF, still best car for the money with biggest trunk. Delivery time is 6 months now without any artificial delay. Even in Germany first "positive" videos show up now. Rapidgate does not exist for LEAF owners in real life, only for bloggers and youtubers. Great car, but I miss ventilated seats and a smog sensor which infiniti has and a large digital speedometer like ZE0 has.
If you want to travel fast in a Nissan and charge near 50kW all the time, take a 30kWh Tekna with P8318 firmware update. Enough fast chargers anywhere now. Soon more than cars.
Now lets continue to wait for the real good electric cars to come up in 2020 from the real Japanese manufacturers.
Is there a similar app for the zoe for monitoring the battery stats?
Yes, it's free and pretty good! "canZE"
If you want to cool down a Leaf battery fast park in a windy erea. Source; I own and drive a 40kWh Leaf.
He said he had head wind, and it wasn’t helping too much. This comes down to the speed and the bigger size of the battery-doesn’t have the same impact as on the 40kWh version. (I too own a 40kWh Leaf)
Caine Frost I said park, not drive ;)
VirtuellJo I notice that now :D my apologies ...has to be cool wind though, anything warm or hot will not make much difference
Bästa Björn 👍
Love this video’s
Wow, so despite using 15% more energy per km in the colder environment, it was still more than an hour quicker...
Watched this just for "nein, nein, nein, neein!"
How about Ampera-e? similar with leaf?
Witch odb you use?
OBD LX
my question is wouldn't you want to use e pedal
No
Bjørn Nyland ah i have a 2019 leaf i just assumed that would help with battery consumption on high way
e-pedal uses friction brakes
Bjørn Nyland ah i see i love e pedal lol on the high way
NATUS FTW!
Are you a computer programmer? Although technically a 16 bit short integer should be more than enough to store 1000 😃.
1000km = 1000000m and this number is way too large for a short and indeed requires an integer as data type (or even a long for a reserve). When I heard that sentence from Bjørn, his “score” and my respect to him instantly skyrocketed!
@@g.o.3262 me too. Good to see an appreciation for binary number representation.
Bjørn worked as a computer programmer at the Oslo university before switching to full time UA-cam
можешь снять тест прикаком напряжении на ячейку будет черепаха ???
can you remove the test at what pressure on the cell will be a turtle ???
Leaf 24kwh, thats the real challenge. Lmao
Trucks hate it when draft lol
Seems to be 52kWh available
I have heard that the new nissan electric crossover will have liquid cooling, and Nissan shows off a hot hatch nissan leaf and I'm pretty sure it has liquid cooling
need CCS adapter for leaf
Shieeet. Rapid gate
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if you need long drive just rent a tesla. LOL
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You should test 1st gen Leaf with swapped 40kw battery ua-cam.com/video/FzuKyi_Z7kc/v-deo.html :) would be interesting to see it in comparison
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