Somebody described that disconnect between corporate and the real world as "California People Syndrome." This term applies to so much now that it's absolutely silly.
I'm a tech millennial that works in tech. When I get in my car, the last thing I want to do is fuss around in more screens. The less I'm looking at glowing blue panels, the better I feel. @@theFORZA66
Well, we don't know who at what point did that, …although we could assume that every test car gets brand service before shipped to the next tester. Dunno how that works.
FoRd HAs qUAliTY CoNTroL!!! I say this as a 2019 Bullitt owner, where the panel gaps in a model in its 4th or 5th manufacturing year looks like a badly put-together prototype. :D
I've only ever owned Toyota's Honda's and one Porsche. Then I bought a Focus ST as a daily to enjoy and abuse. What a fun car, especially for the money. But then you begin to experience the panel gaps, build quality, and quality control as time passes and all the warnings I heard about American cars are proven true.
@@George-ur8owindeed I bought a new 2018 mustang gt 10 speed auto for 31,481. Fun car and worth the money. Think a similar set up is in mid 40's now. Not the same value play as before. Decent car though.
I wish the Z was 5 -10k cheaper. I've test driven it twice now. Despite the fact that I really like it, the experience and the quality does not match the price tag. This probably explains why at least here in Canada these are sitting on dealer lots despite msrp pricing.
@exodus3252 why the f would I spend 55k Canadian dollars on a sportscar with cloth seats and no LSD? That base model has no redeeming quality whatsoever.
What manufacturers don't understand is that cars shouldn't feel like playing video games because video games are made to feel like the thing in real life. I want my game to give joys of driving not the other way around
Precisely! Thanks… It all goes back to the original Tesla “tablet craze” as if, real drivers loooove big screens (and Teslas). Btw! _the sight on my next gun should be an iPhone, just ‘cause._
Car and Driver tested an S650 with a MT and the performance package which weighed 3947! That's almost as much as my freaking Sienna and roughly 750lbs more than my C6 😳
I am amazed Nissan had the balls to change the Rogue this much generation to generation. Its truly a step in the right direction. The old Rogue was slow and boring and this one (while you cant put your klds in it) is WAY MORE FUN! 😍
Yep sports car drivers are like "they don't make cars the way they used to", Nissan responds with "hold my beer!". They keep all the bits folks like and keep improving the chassis over time, finally with this new turbo model it has the engine it should have gotten since the Z32TT.
The old Rogue was way more fun than this. In that vehicle you could bring you and four of your closest friends to the nearest Arby's. Try THAT in this updated model.
$62k for a GT is utterly insane. The only variation of the 2024 GT worth it's cost is a base GT with 301A. That's where I'd start and just mod from there.
I ordered mine with the performance pack and just the 300. Good base to work with and enjoy at the same time. No need for fake dual climate control or 4 leds that come with Mycolor in 301A package for 2k
@@JJ-df4kxvery reliable transmissions when not brutally beat on by the man-children who complain about them. It’s a cleaner and more decisive shift more so than a 3650. All issues u hear about are from people who think transmissions should be made of molten titanium and last 3 eons. U take care of ur car n it’ll take care of u!
@@JJ-df4kx The MT-82 is not a bad transmission. The crappy Ford clutch that causes lockout issues it what needs to be replaced. Swap in a twin disk and she is smooth as butter. Trust me, I thought my MT-82 was junk as well until Ben Callimer and Lund Racing stated that it was the factory clutch and single disks in general. I've got a Vengence twin clutch and those issues are all gone.
Were you in a coma the last ten years? That look is so normal now, even old-timers should be used to it now. There are cars with a more tacked-on look, and the rest of the interior actually has the same flair, so it's a decent fit.
The previous S550 interior was just... better. The dual cockpit layout is just definitive Mustang. My 09 and 2015 both have it. I don't even mind a digital display, again the S550 did that better with it being integrated into the dash. The exterior is growing on me, as most redesigns do. But the interior would be something I'd have to live with instead of enjoy.
I'm a zillnail and I love my S550 Mustang Premium interior I got in 2021 and while it is fully loaded it does not have the package with the digital gauge cluster and I honestly don't miss it and rather have the crome switchs and phsycal buttons for climate and radio.
The screen placement is truly awful - looks like someone slammed some iPads edge-first into a dashboard. I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, but putting AC controls behind a touch screen is peak asshole design.
The prices of these cars have recently exploded into unhinged dimensions. Here in Europe the list price of the current Mustang (i.e. previous generation S550) with some options is already on the same level as the Porsche 718. I love the character of the V8 in the Mustang (especially with the adjustable exhaust valves after the facelift), but it will be very difficult to justify another Mustang when I can have a mid-engine Porsche for the same price.
Me either. Haven't see one yet. Just like the integra type s and civic type r. I've seen 2 civic si's on the road.its crazy and I live in a major city. Cars are just way over priced, low availability and high interest rates make it a non starter.
@@drmvp21 ya not sure whats going on with this low availability bs its almost like its done on purpose to drive up demand. But ya i haven't seen any typr or type s around
Honestly, if Nissan refreshed the old Z with the same 3.7 VQ and it cost 35K...I would love that. There are wayyyyyy too many issues with the VR30's. The issue's are hit or miss and are usually very costly.
I love and watch all your videos and want you to know that these comparison videos on the street are probably my favorite ones. With cars getting so expensive, a lot of us are dailying our track cars and it's good to get a baseline of what we are starting with. Thanks and keep it up guys. Ugh......my prostate
I'd take the Z between these two. I'm usually more of a V8 guy, but the driving characteristics of the Z sound more fun to me. The interior is also much more straightforward and less visually overbearing.
@burgerbandit3646 I'm gonna assume better steering, suspension, brakes, horsepower/torque at wheels, still can handle 800whp, transmission, ect. But looks like crap lol
@ShreddedtotheGills Darkhorse has better brakes. As for handling and suspension, I've got no idea. The coyote is notorious for its ability to handle power and get easy power while N/A. Dont know how the 10 speed stacks up to the M2's auto. BMW typically underates their cars so I'd assume it makes more power. They're also about the same weight. I can't say one is an absolute better buy than the other as they have different strengths.
Mr. Savagegeese tripping over the lift adapters @ the 12:16 mark and still leaving it in the final video edit is both savage and real at the same time.
@mmcgaa I picked up a 2SS 1LE about 7 months ago. Traded in my FK8 Civic Type R for one, and couldn't believe how much performance it has over the Type R. Completely different level of car. And it's more comfortable, which was a surprise to me. Oh yeah and gas mileage is very surprisingly good too. Literally the best performance car bargain on sale today
There's this thing called inflation. A '91 300Z TT was ~$35,000, that's nearly $80,000 in today's money. That's not even affordable in it's day. Why does everyone forget this?
@@sleeksilverBecause affordable is a relation between prices and income. The income didn't rise to follow inflation. So it is not affordable like before.
@@davothegreat9990 I’ll be buying neither brand new, but might consider one of these used. I know the Supra makes more power but, how long before bmw-esque engine longevity/reliability problems arise. No way to know just yet..
I literally own a 2019 mustang GT and a 2017 370z Nismo. Both are amazing cars, mustang GT is clearly for straight line but does handle very well after some steeda suspension parts but the stock Nismo beats the mustang in every handling aspect.
Even with the price increases, wish the camaro 1ss would stay, under 50k even with options or the 1le pack (2023). Comes with a tremec too, no need to upgrade to the "dark camaro", it's just stock, and handles like a beast.
The best car reviewers, best car videos, best editing, best quality in all of youtube. I will always support on the highest tier of Patreon. As usual Mark And Jack raise the bar every time. This was a perfect comparison. Both cars so similar coming from existing previous platforms, and both are offering a sporty grand touring experience, yet both are very different cars. Excellent job, also love the humor, especially the appearance of "A.I. Jack talking about the "Kids and their Video Games" That was awesome and everything that was said there was brilliant!!!!! I love both of these cars and I am a fan of both. I am happy they are both still in existence. I wish Mustang didn't go all in with the "in your face screen set up" but that is sadly the future I guess. Also, Great cinemaphotography, Amazing job, Great job guys, Thanks, Rich from PA
The Z with an Ohlins Road & Track coilover kit (assuming that product is released), higher-temp brake pads, and serious tires, could be a great sports car for track use. Secondarily, a mild tune and perhaps some cooling mods like an improved intercooler, could make it more effective on track without screwing it up for the street.
@@TeensierPython You have a good point. But, there aren't many sports cars to choose from, and this car has some plusses that are absent from its competition, such as relatively light, simple ICE, double wishbone instead of McStrut, outward visibility, and a unique look some prefer. 2 things from that list, brake pads and tires, are needed by nearly every car for serious track use, and are wear items anyhow. With Ohlins you will have fantastic street and track damping, worth paying for.
Honestly most 3rd party suspension setups will probably be better for track. You can get a set of for under 2k, cooling seems sorted based on many reviews. Tires and pads are a constant consumable on track so it’s not worth factoring in to the MSRP. What I really want Nissan to do is release a tuner special with only the performance bits and 300hp for like 38k.
I'm on board with your thinking. It's easy to make a soft car harder, but no aftermarket company makes a hard car softer, so I don't mind that the factory setup is better suited for everyday driving. And the limits of the stock setup are beyond what any reasonable person should be doing on public roads anyway.
Yep, I'm a man and those neon green Asics impressed me--freaking sick! Great video and you guys are 100% right about the inflated prices for these cars.
Literally in Canada a 370Z was $32,000 in 2018. New Z about $70,000 for a reskin. Understand inflation but over double in 5 years for pretty much the same car. What a joke.
I live in NE Ohio and have yet to see a new Z on the road, or even at a dealership. The only one I’ve ever seen in person was at the auto show a couple years ago, and it was roped off. I’ve heard dealers are asking crazy markups on the new Z, but good luck even finding one to buy.
I just went into build and price on Ford's website, and I had no idea how freaking expensive Mustangs were becoming! A loaded out 2024 Mustang GT fastback costs $65k! I guess it's par for the course with cars these days, but wow.
Fantastic job on this comparison. Can definitely appreciate both cars but the NA V8 wins me over. I wish both of these cars were about $8k cheaper when equipped with a lsd
Great video as always guys, even with being a Z fan and you guys picking the mustang over it. Personally, I plan to get the Sport Z add the things the Z needs and come out cheaper than the Performance Trim Z and much cheaper than the Mustang GT.
Mustang is better in every way…faster,bigger ,more room ,more daily drivable,bigger brakes,bigger engine,better on a track…better interior…..there is not a single thing that the Z does better than the mustang….not one!!!
For the price of the new Z, Id honestly get a used 370Z in good condition and mod it. I do not think the upgrades in the new car are worth it at that price, nor are they enough to keep it competitive.
the deadpan smile / half hearted enthusiasm that Mark put through with "I cant stop looking at the animations jack" @25:15 made me audibly laugh so hard i had to hear it twice LOL
I like the 300ZX and twin turbo much more, and updates made mine capable of far better overall performance. The best was the Hardtop which only until the last year, was only available for racing. My 300ZX is one of the stiffest bodies to run on the highway, Cray computer optimized and wind tunnel specs and g-force with some updates made this one of the best 2 seaters of all time. The RX-7 Turbo 2 is the best of all 2 seaters with ultra light weight and an agility that has to be driven to be believed.
It's crazy the prices, both my father at 20 had an 86' Mustang gt and at 21 I bought an 08' Mustang gt. These were not super expensive cars, I couldn't imagine trying to afford a new Mustang at 20
I think I'd probably take the cheapest base model C8 Corvette over both of them. It's faster, better handling, and will undoubtedly have a higher resale value down the road.
Does not have a manual transmission, so is automatically disqualified for me. Only boring people drive automatics....unless you have a disability or are really old.
@@fortheloveofnoisewhats with the gatekeeping bro... someone whose into luxury auto cruisers is just as much a car guy as the person who likes 90 manual sports cars
I can listen to these guys converse all day they're knowledgeable, seemingly unbiased and usually spot on. Love the chassis reviews as well, as the devil is often in the details.
I love the content! Thanks for another great video. I really want to like the S650, but Ford's prices are just insane. I can't see any reason to buy new any more. The Mustang peaked in 2017 if you prefer the manual transmission.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!!!! After your review of the Lexus RCF, I loved it so much that I just bought one. A 2016 fully loaded. It's a great car so thank you guys very much!
Shocked at the prices of these vehicles and the fact that SG doesn't have a million subscribers yet. At around $60K I think I'd take an M2 and put a Dinan chip in it..
The new Mustang is a complete flop. The interior looks like a 90s oldsmobile with an iPad on the dash. When a so so nissan out does a "new" mustang, you know the mustang is a flop. I would love to see a track comparison of the 6th gen Camaro 1LE vs the darkhorse.. I bet the DarkHorse will have a hard time with the discontinued Camaro. Looks like the mustangs exhaust is already starting to rust 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Forgot to mention the Darkhorse has the good Tremec manual ,were as the Gts get the Getrag.Just thought that was a significant point, but what do I know.
with fords current history of cutting cost & endless recalls by rushing models into production YEARS before they get the bugs worked out.who in their right mind would overpay for a recall special.when the warrenty expires, your pretty much screwed.
I like the Z but I refuse to pay 2023 prices plus a dealer premium for a car with parts exclusively from 2015 nissan/infiniti. Hell, same with the GT even though it has a bit more new pieces and probably a better optimized package. These cars are kinda high
@@lordzed83 I'm looking to buy a supra pretty soon (or be boring and just get a m4 or 440i) so im sure I can afford at least the premium Z lol. My point was pretty clear though, not sure why you're assuming I don't have a career lol. Can YOU afford these cars that you are helplessly d*ckriding?
@@devn3813Exactly. They overprice a car that most people would use a second car or thats targeted towards younger buyers and then they cancel them, its so dumb
The wheels on the GT look great , but would be hell to clean. Also looks like they went back to metal oil and transmission pans? The best thing about the Coyote is they can make 800 rwhp easily and reliably with a SC and fuel system on e85.
I want the Z and plan to do a tune and go full FBO and plenty suspension mods and actually track the car. I’ll wait two years to get it assuming the World Economic Forum doesn’t have us living in pods and driving electric boxes.
I'm liking the new Z and considering it or the a90 supra. My biggest issue with the Z is the exhaust note. I have yet found any exhaust that makes the vr30 sound good.
I was so excited for your take on the Mustang. I have an S550 Bullitt and I know that wasn't your fave, but I'm curious what you'll think of especially the loss of retro design on the inside and mainly loss of lot of physical switches. Probably like with most cars and most of their fans, the new gen has yet to grow on me, but I feel like we've hit a point of no return where as much as possible must be crammed behind a screen in the name of "design" and "modernization," when we all know it's in the name of cost cutting and simplicity for the manufacturer.
@@lordzed83 That's definitely incorrect. There's an export version with left hand (my parents saw one back home in Czech), as well as right-hand drive, exported to Australia and UK as well. UK autototrader has literally *22* of them available for sale. How hard didn't you look? 🤣
Mustang 5.0 wins simple because it is faster in a straight line and more practical because it has a trunk and back seats. Regardless as nice as the Z has become it is still a toy and is not as easy to live with. $70k is beyond “weekend toy” car territory and these are likely going to be daily’s for people. My heart may say Z but my head says Mustang. Also you can’t deny the sound of a glorious V8.
The Z Nismo Is a direct competitor at the same price as the mustang but obviously they aren't available for testing yet. Once again Savagegeese thanks for the time to make this and the amazing automotive journalism.
More so corporate greed and profits being the highest they've ever been can be pointed to causing more than a third of the inflation. But hey, let's give corporations more welfare.
Biggest problem with the Mustang is not just the tires, its the suspension. It's more for comfort than performance. But most people will mod the Mustang's suspension anyway. Mine was big and floppy at first too. Then I lowered it and put quality suspension on it and it completely changed the car.
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“Our data shows 17 year olds are dying to spend $72k on a mustang” lmao that’s savage
Somebody described that disconnect between corporate and the real world as "California People Syndrome." This term applies to so much now that it's absolutely silly.
Honestly i feel like the big screen would be most interesting to tech millenials, not the ave 17 year old
I'm a tech millennial that works in tech. When I get in my car, the last thing I want to do is fuss around in more screens.
The less I'm looking at glowing blue panels, the better I feel. @@theFORZA66
That was my favourite line in the whole video. HA!
Jack said $62,000.
Remember when we thought the 370Z was a heavy pig? The manual base was only 3333lbs, that's light these days! 😅
I have a 370Z and would not want it to feel any lighter!
The Type R is 3188 lbs and that's "light" for its class now
Lighter and uglier.
@@ShaiyanHossainbut that car is like 4 and a half meters long isn't it.
I have the 370 and I love it but I'm definitely not a big fan of the the styling on the new one.
Ford leaving tie rod end lock nuts loose is hilarious
But then charging German prices
Well, we don't know who at what point did that, …although we could assume that every test car gets brand service before shipped to the next tester. Dunno how that works.
@@Dowlphinit’s happening to fords all over the country. Mavericks, escapes, etc brand new just have bolts loose and parts hanging off
FoRd HAs qUAliTY CoNTroL!!!
I say this as a 2019 Bullitt owner, where the panel gaps in a model in its 4th or 5th manufacturing year looks like a badly put-together prototype. :D
I've only ever owned Toyota's Honda's and one Porsche. Then I bought a Focus ST as a daily to enjoy and abuse. What a fun car, especially for the money. But then you begin to experience the panel gaps, build quality, and quality control as time passes and all the warnings I heard about American cars are proven true.
An S650 GT in the 60,000 dollar range is mind blowing I remember when the GT could be had for 30,000 dollars.
And gas was a quarter
@@philipparana9225I remember GT's 12, maybe 15 years ago being in the low 30k range. Gas was, I can assure you, more than $2.25 a gallon, not $0.25
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ObamaGas is long gone...
@@George-ur8owindeed I bought a new 2018 mustang gt 10 speed auto for 31,481. Fun car and worth the money. Think a similar set up is in mid 40's now. Not the same value play as before. Decent car though.
In 2015 I bought a 2015 GT PP non premium with 8k miles for 28k and that was only a pretty good deal. These new prices are insane
I can't believe how expensive cars have gotten. These 2 cars should not be over $50k each.
Kneesarn!
How so? A 1991 300Z TT had a MSRP of around $35,000 which is nearly $80,000 in today's money.
Well you can get a GT for less, this has a few expensive options
These are high level sports cars. If you want cheap fun, there's the Miata, GR86, civic si, Elantra N, etc
These are not high level sports cars. These are mid-level.@@dazuko8839
I wish the Z was 5 -10k cheaper. I've test driven it twice now. Despite the fact that I really like it, the experience and the quality does not match the price tag. This probably explains why at least here in Canada these are sitting on dealer lots despite msrp pricing.
I'm in Los Angeles and I've never seen one on the road.
@@markallen2984I’ve seen a couple in Laguna and Newport after cars and coffee on Saturday. They’re alright. The s650 I haven’t seen once
@@markallen2984none in LA of all places? That’s saying a lot.
I guess this is the last generation of ICE Z, all because it was overpriced.
It is literally 5-10k cheaper if you get the base model instead of the Performance.
Starts at $43k USD I believe.
@exodus3252 why the f would I spend 55k Canadian dollars on a sportscar with cloth seats and no LSD? That base model has no redeeming quality whatsoever.
What manufacturers don't understand is that cars shouldn't feel like playing video games because video games are made to feel like the thing in real life. I want my game to give joys of driving not the other way around
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They flipped the script!
That's an excellent description. Thank you!
Precisely!
Thanks…
It all goes back to the original Tesla “tablet craze” as if, real drivers loooove big screens (and Teslas).
Btw! _the sight on my next gun should be an iPhone, just ‘cause._
Car and Driver tested an S650 with a MT and the performance package which weighed 3947! That's almost as much as my freaking Sienna and roughly 750lbs more than my C6 😳
That's about as much as my BMW sedan.
About 800lbs more than my base model BP Mazda3 5 door hatch with AWD. Cars are way too heavy now.
I have a sienna and a C6 also and thought the same thing!
@@disengage36 You definitely have great taste in cars 😆!
The new BMW M2 weighs just as much, sadly.
“impressing men on the internet” lmao
Man knows his market
successfully, might I add.
Came here to the comments for this 😂
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I am amazed Nissan had the balls to change the Rogue this much generation to generation. Its truly a step in the right direction. The old Rogue was slow and boring and this one (while you cant put your klds in it) is WAY MORE FUN! 😍
Yep sports car drivers are like "they don't make cars the way they used to", Nissan responds with "hold my beer!". They keep all the bits folks like and keep improving the chassis over time, finally with this new turbo model it has the engine it should have gotten since the Z32TT.
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The old Rogue was way more fun than this. In that vehicle you could bring you and four of your closest friends to the nearest Arby's. Try THAT in this updated model.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the changes they've made to the Rogue.
Rouge gang going strong
$62k for a GT is utterly insane. The only variation of the 2024 GT worth it's cost is a base GT with 301A. That's where I'd start and just mod from there.
Yesterday found a dealer in florida asking $100k for a new automatic mustang...
But then you are still stuck with the mt82 right? Not exactly a good base.
I ordered mine with the performance pack and just the 300. Good base to work with and enjoy at the same time. No need for fake dual climate control or 4 leds that come with Mycolor in 301A package for 2k
@@JJ-df4kxvery reliable transmissions when not brutally beat on by the man-children who complain about them. It’s a cleaner and more decisive shift more so than a 3650. All issues u hear about are from people who think transmissions should be made of molten titanium and last 3 eons. U take care of ur car n it’ll take care of u!
@@JJ-df4kx The MT-82 is not a bad transmission. The crappy Ford clutch that causes lockout issues it what needs to be replaced. Swap in a twin disk and she is smooth as butter. Trust me, I thought my MT-82 was junk as well until Ben Callimer and Lund Racing stated that it was the factory clutch and single disks in general. I've got a Vengence twin clutch and those issues are all gone.
I had never driven a GT before so I went down to the dealer and acted like I was interested. Holy crap. What a boat!
The Mustangs’s screen 100% kills any desire I might have had to buy one. It looks so tacked on and kills the look of the interior.
I'd rather buy a gen 5 and engine swap it for that authentic muscle car feel. Would probably be cheaper still LOL.
Whoever made the executive decision on that interior and exterior styling needs to be shot into the sun tbh
not just the Mustang but everything has these stuck on screens now and looks awful. Have you seen a new S Class Benz?
I generally like big/extra screens but wow does the mustang look bad. Like how some 80s cars tried to go too futuristic
Were you in a coma the last ten years? That look is so normal now, even old-timers should be used to it now. There are cars with a more tacked-on look, and the rest of the interior actually has the same flair, so it's a decent fit.
Hey Savage Geese guys, I just wanna let you know your production and everything about this video is amazing, thank you for putting out great content!
I cannot get enough of SG. Top tier everything
They're good guys but hop off their pee pee
Waving the shoe at the end. It's those subtle touches that make your videos so much fun to watch. Keep up the great work!! I look forward every week
The previous S550 interior was just... better. The dual cockpit layout is just definitive Mustang. My 09 and 2015 both have it. I don't even mind a digital display, again the S550 did that better with it being integrated into the dash.
The exterior is growing on me, as most redesigns do. But the interior would be something I'd have to live with instead of enjoy.
I've been in an S550 since 2015. At this point, I'll take any significant interior update they could think of.
I'm a zillnail and I love my S550 Mustang Premium interior I got in 2021 and while it is fully loaded it does not have the package with the digital gauge cluster and I honestly don't miss it and rather have the crome switchs and phsycal buttons for climate and radio.
Couldn't agree more. I'm going to move into this new generation of massive screens everywhere kicking and screaming.
The screen placement is truly awful - looks like someone slammed some iPads edge-first into a dashboard. I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, but putting AC controls behind a touch screen is peak asshole design.
I agree with you on the displays. I hate the tablet look. If they would have integrated those screens into the dash it would be worlds better!
Ford asking $60k for a Mustang and leaving tie rod nuts loose is so on brand it hurts
The prices of these cars have recently exploded into unhinged dimensions. Here in Europe the list price of the current Mustang (i.e. previous generation S550) with some options is already on the same level as the Porsche 718. I love the character of the V8 in the Mustang (especially with the adjustable exhaust valves after the facelift), but it will be very difficult to justify another Mustang when I can have a mid-engine Porsche for the same price.
Damn. That's insane!
That's not good 😮
yup but you still have ppl that will say that price is normal! Look at the comments above....
@@Scypher0thmaybe in the US, not many in Europe would
You're in Europe lol that's why
Every Mustang owner unaware of the tie Rod issue is gonna be looking within the new few hours lol
care to explain?
@@picklerickle-du8vxthe nuts were loose in the video
Those loose tie rod ends had me dying 🤣
Given enough time, it’s possible
@@michaelpaver3788Bro its a new car. It has everything to do with dumbass Ford dealer personnel and bad QC overall on Ford products.
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That's how they kept the price down. It's 90% built. It's a semi kit car!
This Z has been out for how long now? I still have yet to see one in person.
Same other than the auto show
Me either. Haven't see one yet. Just like the integra type s and civic type r. I've seen 2 civic si's on the road.its crazy and I live in a major city. Cars are just way over priced, low availability and high interest rates make it a non starter.
@@drmvp21 ya not sure whats going on with this low availability bs its almost like its done on purpose to drive up demand. But ya i haven't seen any typr or type s around
@@kevinmac9442 ya as I'd hope people would if everyone stopped paying these marked up prices things would get better
That's because no one is willing to pay 5-10k over msrp for something using a 14 year old chassis.
Nissan rogue 😂 jacks huge everywhere 😂 the commentary never gets old
This video made me appreciate my MX-5 more for what it is 😅
Same for me.
Great review. Liked the AI piece too. You guys had done another fun to watch episode. Thank you for a quality production.
Honestly, if Nissan refreshed the old Z with the same 3.7 VQ and it cost 35K...I would love that.
There are wayyyyyy too many issues with the VR30's. The issue's are hit or miss and are usually very costly.
T yo
mofe like supercharged VQ if anything. Z is or was lacking power.
@@lordzed83 the 370Z wasnt lacking any power on the street lol.
The VQ in stock form is hot garbage. Sounds like ass too.
I’ve been saying it all along. Evolve the VQ that last little bit. 4.0L displacement, direct injection, make the car 3,000lbs. The car would fly.
I love and watch all your videos and want you to know that these comparison videos on the street are probably my favorite ones. With cars getting so expensive, a lot of us are dailying our track cars and it's good to get a baseline of what we are starting with. Thanks and keep it up guys.
Ugh......my prostate
I'd take the Z between these two. I'm usually more of a V8 guy, but the driving characteristics of the Z sound more fun to me. The interior is also much more straightforward and less visually overbearing.
I think it would be cool to see a comparison between the Mustang Dark Horse and the BMW M2. Both start around $60k before options
This is coming from a Mustang guy, the M2 is hands down the better option.
@xpvibe how? Aside from interior, love it.
@burgerbandit3646 I'm gonna assume better steering, suspension, brakes, horsepower/torque at wheels, still can handle 800whp, transmission, ect. But looks like crap lol
@ShreddedtotheGills Darkhorse has better brakes. As for handling and suspension, I've got no idea. The coyote is notorious for its ability to handle power and get easy power while N/A. Dont know how the 10 speed stacks up to the M2's auto. BMW typically underates their cars so I'd assume it makes more power. They're also about the same weight. I can't say one is an absolute better buy than the other as they have different strengths.
You guys are damn good - no fluff bs.
I’d take the Z, but wish there was a bit more power and was edgier.
It’s actually unbelievable how well made these vids are and how much I enjoy them
Goes the exact opposite for the cars. 🤣
Mr. Savagegeese tripping over the lift adapters @ the 12:16 mark and still leaving it in the final video edit is both savage and real at the same time.
Realest of the real👌
Wonderful video, fellas! Per usual. Would love to see a send-off for the Camaro SS 1LE!
Please it deserves some spotlight so incredible for $$$
Mustang guy myself, but thats truth right there.
Yes please, but grab a 2ss and beat the piss out of it! My new 2SS has 700 miles on it and think I made a great choice for $50k.
@mmcgaa I picked up a 2SS 1LE about 7 months ago. Traded in my FK8 Civic Type R for one, and couldn't believe how much performance it has over the Type R. Completely different level of car. And it's more comfortable, which was a surprise to me. Oh yeah and gas mileage is very surprisingly good too. Literally the best performance car bargain on sale today
@ThomisticAmerican13FOX until you drive 1LE it'll ruin mustangs for you forever
I just remember when these things went for $30-$45,000…
Sad how affordable these cars used to be when I was a kid.
Inflation is a thing, check it out sometime
There's this thing called inflation.
A '91 300Z TT was ~$35,000, that's nearly $80,000 in today's money. That's not even affordable in it's day.
Why does everyone forget this?
@@OhLookItsKatamari People are stupid. Same type of person who calls their monthly payment "doable" who has a 9 year loan at 14% APR.
yeah right?? cuz they live in a stone@@sleeksilver
@@sleeksilverBecause affordable is a relation between prices and income. The income didn't rise to follow inflation. So it is not affordable like before.
The z is such an underdog.They made it work in house, not a joint project and it handles well.
Mark is impressing me more as time goes on.
Just buy a Supra. It's faster than the Z and just as fast as the Stang.
@@davothegreat9990 I’ll be buying neither brand new, but might consider one of these used. I know the Supra makes more power but, how long before bmw-esque engine longevity/reliability problems arise. No way to know just yet..
@TexasVexes the b58 zf8 combo absolutely destroys the Z. Alot more durable and reliable, especially when modding.
@TexasVexes being BMW doesn't mean the memes, they are there to manipulate your mind from now, reality of BMW thrashing Nissan comfortably
“I want to impress a lot of men on the internet” 😂 I’m impressed!
I literally own a 2019 mustang GT and a 2017 370z Nismo.
Both are amazing cars, mustang GT is clearly for straight line but does handle very well after some steeda suspension parts but the stock Nismo beats the mustang in every handling aspect.
Love this comparison tbh. It’s like they weren’t made to compete with each other but in a sense they’re direct competitors.
Even with the price increases, wish the camaro 1ss would stay, under 50k even with options or the 1le pack (2023). Comes with a tremec too, no need to upgrade to the "dark camaro", it's just stock, and handles like a beast.
Wish I could afford one
I own a 23 Nissan Z and love it. I wouldn’t mind owning the stang though. Some may not like the tech in the stang, but I can appreciate it.
The best car reviewers, best car videos, best editing, best quality in all of youtube. I will always support on the highest tier of Patreon. As usual Mark And Jack raise the bar every time. This was a perfect comparison. Both cars so similar coming from existing previous platforms, and both are offering a sporty grand touring experience, yet both are very different cars. Excellent job, also love the humor, especially the appearance of "A.I. Jack talking about the "Kids and their Video Games" That was awesome and everything that was said there was brilliant!!!!! I love both of these cars and I am a fan of both. I am happy they are both still in existence. I wish Mustang didn't go all in with the "in your face screen set up" but that is sadly the future I guess. Also, Great cinemaphotography, Amazing job, Great job guys, Thanks, Rich from PA
Refreshing video back on real roads and not just the track.
Personally I'd go with the Z over this stang. Great video!
Why is this Z looks uglier now? Man the Mustang is looking like champ!
Z looks better than any mustang
@@hpharold23looks uglier? Most humans are ugly AF. But people still marry them. XD! Looks are subject. Both are ugly to me.
The Z is a driver's car handles better looks better inside and out
@@gregpavitt309 nailed it
Kids want cars like videogames. The same games they can't do a lap without crashing.
I’ve seen more not-yet-on-sale-S650s on the road (1) than the Z (0), which has been on sale for over a year (I think)
Prices for both are a joke.
The Z with an Ohlins Road & Track coilover kit (assuming that product is released), higher-temp brake pads, and serious tires, could be a great sports car for track use. Secondarily, a mild tune and perhaps some cooling mods like an improved intercooler, could make it more effective on track without screwing it up for the street.
So just throw more money at a $60k car? For the now $70k you spent on this car you could have just upgraded to a better car.
@@TeensierPython You have a good point. But, there aren't many sports cars to choose from, and this car has some plusses that are absent from its competition, such as relatively light, simple ICE, double wishbone instead of McStrut, outward visibility, and a unique look some prefer. 2 things from that list, brake pads and tires, are needed by nearly every car for serious track use, and are wear items anyhow. With Ohlins you will have fantastic street and track damping, worth paying for.
That Ohlins kit is awesome for any car they make it for, but it’s like $5,000
Honestly most 3rd party suspension setups will probably be better for track.
You can get a set of for under 2k, cooling seems sorted based on many reviews.
Tires and pads are a constant consumable on track so it’s not worth factoring in to the MSRP.
What I really want Nissan to do is release a tuner special with only the performance bits and 300hp for like 38k.
I'm on board with your thinking. It's easy to make a soft car harder, but no aftermarket company makes a hard car softer, so I don't mind that the factory setup is better suited for everyday driving. And the limits of the stock setup are beyond what any reasonable person should be doing on public roads anyway.
Yep, I'm a man and those neon green Asics impressed me--freaking sick! Great video and you guys are 100% right about the inflated prices for these cars.
Literally in Canada a 370Z was $32,000 in 2018. New Z about $70,000 for a reskin. Understand inflation but over double in 5 years for pretty much the same car. What a joke.
Love the video! Also where was this filmed? It looks like it was filmed really close to my home town!
Car prices these days are absolutely insane. In 2017 I bought a mustang GT performance pack for $32,000 Canadian.
You don’t have to go back to 2017. In 2020 I bought my gt for 33k (in México) we just blinked and prices almost doubled
THEY’RE NOT THE SAME CAR!
Great video thanks. You guys explained everything really well! I learned a lot!
$62k Mustang, some assembly required…
I live in NE Ohio and have yet to see a new Z on the road, or even at a dealership. The only one I’ve ever seen in person was at the auto show a couple years ago, and it was roped off. I’ve heard dealers are asking crazy markups on the new Z, but good luck even finding one to buy.
I just went into build and price on Ford's website, and I had no idea how freaking expensive Mustangs were becoming! A loaded out 2024 Mustang GT fastback costs $65k! I guess it's par for the course with cars these days, but wow.
Those tie rods being left loose is a ford specialty😌
So we're just gonna pass by the loose jam nuts on the mustang!? Lol wild!
Yup .. that’s why we have Labor Unions… pay those union monkeys $100 per hour in salary/benefits and loose jam nuts are the result….
RIGHT!! They HAD to have done that as a gag...lol
Sigh....... Let's hope that was a gag. Because if it was real that's a dam shame
@@thewannabestig 100%
That’s because real men let their nuts hang loose. Clearly, a real man put that steering rack in 😂😂😂
I can’t believe that the new Mustang is basically a reskin with a remold interior instead of an actual new car. And they want 50k? No thanks.
On a separate note, love your videos and humor. Thank you!
Time to do a used McLaren vs a Macan now 😂
Fantastic job on this comparison. Can definitely appreciate both cars but the NA V8 wins me over. I wish both of these cars were about $8k cheaper when equipped with a lsd
The most Camaro looking Moostang to date! Would be perfect but I could never fill Jack's size 17s
Great video as always guys, even with being a Z fan and you guys picking the mustang over it. Personally, I plan to get the Sport Z add the things the Z needs and come out cheaper than the Performance Trim Z and much cheaper than the Mustang GT.
Mustang is better in every way…faster,bigger ,more room ,more daily drivable,bigger brakes,bigger engine,better on a track…better interior…..there is not a single thing that the Z does better than the mustang….not one!!!
@@djzulumask2138why tf would I want my sports car to be bigger or roomier lmao. Im guessing you’re from the US?
For the price of the new Z, Id honestly get a used 370Z in good condition and mod it. I do not think the upgrades in the new car are worth it at that price, nor are they enough to keep it competitive.
the deadpan smile / half hearted enthusiasm that Mark put through with "I cant stop looking at the animations jack" @25:15 made me audibly laugh so hard i had to hear it twice LOL
I like the 300ZX and twin turbo much more, and updates made mine capable of far better overall performance. The best was the Hardtop which only until the last year, was only available for racing. My 300ZX is one of the stiffest bodies to run on the highway, Cray computer optimized and wind tunnel specs and g-force with some updates made this one of the best 2 seaters of all time. The RX-7 Turbo 2 is the best of all 2 seaters with ultra light weight and an agility that has to be driven to be believed.
If only dealer markups translated to increased T-levels.
It's crazy the prices, both my father at 20 had an 86' Mustang gt and at 21 I bought an 08' Mustang gt. These were not super expensive cars, I couldn't imagine trying to afford a new Mustang at 20
I think I'd probably take the cheapest base model C8 Corvette over both of them. It's faster, better handling, and will undoubtedly have a higher resale value down the road.
Does not have a manual transmission, so is automatically disqualified for me. Only boring people drive automatics....unless you have a disability or are really old.
@@fortheloveofnoiseonly normies drive automatics…
@@fortheloveofnoise it can be shifted manually, dct
@@chabweezy9905lmao thats not the same thing AT ALL and you know it.
@@fortheloveofnoisewhats with the gatekeeping bro... someone whose into luxury auto cruisers is just as much a car guy as the person who likes 90 manual sports cars
I'd like to see a manual Supra comparison too...
I can listen to these guys converse all day they're knowledgeable, seemingly unbiased and usually spot on. Love the chassis reviews as well, as the devil is often in the details.
I love the content! Thanks for another great video. I really want to like the S650, but Ford's prices are just insane. I can't see any reason to buy new any more. The Mustang peaked in 2017 if you prefer the manual transmission.
IMO CT4-V Blackwings with manual or auto sound like a bargain to these (except for lack of the V8 sound 🙁).
"... like Jack, the guy is huge everywhere..." 👀🤨
The Mustang is the better vehicle but it should be, based off the price tag. I hope Z crushes sales though, for Nissan! Great video!
The fact you think the Mustang is a better car is hilarious at best
@@gregpavitt309😂😂
Personally more a fan of the Z, even though I like this gen Mustang. But I’m curious to see the Z Nismo vs Dark Horse.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!!!!!
After your review of the Lexus RCF, I loved it so much that I just bought one. A 2016 fully loaded. It's a great car so thank you guys very much!
AI Jack should definitely make more appearances! 😆
Shocked at the prices of these vehicles and the fact that SG doesn't have a million subscribers yet. At around $60K I think I'd take an M2 and put a Dinan chip in it..
The new Mustang is a complete flop. The interior looks like a 90s oldsmobile with an iPad on the dash.
When a so so nissan out does a "new" mustang, you know the mustang is a flop.
I would love to see a track comparison of the 6th gen Camaro 1LE vs the darkhorse.. I bet the DarkHorse will have a hard time with the discontinued Camaro.
Looks like the mustangs exhaust is already starting to rust 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
If I don't have real knobs for my AC that's a deal-breaker
Forgot to mention the Darkhorse has the good Tremec manual ,were as the Gts get the Getrag.Just thought that was a significant point, but what do I know.
I’m confused as to why you can’t use the Z daily?
with fords current history of cutting cost & endless recalls by rushing models into production YEARS before they get the bugs worked out.who in their right mind would overpay for a recall special.when the warrenty expires, your pretty much screwed.
I like the Z but I refuse to pay 2023 prices plus a dealer premium for a car with parts exclusively from 2015 nissan/infiniti. Hell, same with the GT even though it has a bit more new pieces and probably a better optimized package. These cars are kinda high
not refuse speak reality YOU CANT AFFORD IT.
@@lordzed83 I'm looking to buy a supra pretty soon (or be boring and just get a m4 or 440i) so im sure I can afford at least the premium Z lol. My point was pretty clear though, not sure why you're assuming I don't have a career lol. Can YOU afford these cars that you are helplessly d*ckriding?
Then when they don’t sell they’ll just say people don’t want cars anymore. They’re so disconnected from reality
@@lordzed83 its called being wise with your money.
@@devn3813Exactly. They overprice a car that most people would use a second car or thats targeted towards younger buyers and then they cancel them, its so dumb
The wheels on the GT look great , but would be hell to clean. Also looks like they went back to metal oil and transmission pans? The best thing about the Coyote is they can make 800 rwhp easily and reliably with a SC and fuel system on e85.
I'd like to see the Mustang GT PP vs Camaro SS 1LE comparison review!
I want the Z and plan to do a tune and go full FBO and plenty suspension mods and actually track the car. I’ll wait two years to get it assuming the World Economic Forum doesn’t have us living in pods and driving electric boxes.
Seeing the new Mustang is breathtaking and unbelievably. Its amazing just how ugly it is.
But those kicks yo! LOL
Another cool review guys...keep them rolling.
I'm liking the new Z and considering it or the a90 supra. My biggest issue with the Z is the exhaust note. I have yet found any exhaust that makes the vr30 sound good.
It sounds great in bros fourr speeds "what's it like to drive a heavily modified Z" video go check it out bro
As a man, you have indeed impressed me with your tropical greens:)
I know you've told us how difficult these comparison videos, but man what a great video. A 2 for 1 for us "Enthusiast" car guys.
Gotta be rocking the ice ice baby while rolling in the 5.0!
“One of the things I love about the Rogue is…..”. Hilarious.
I was so excited for your take on the Mustang. I have an S550 Bullitt and I know that wasn't your fave, but I'm curious what you'll think of especially the loss of retro design on the inside and mainly loss of lot of physical switches.
Probably like with most cars and most of their fans, the new gen has yet to grow on me, but I feel like we've hit a point of no return where as much as possible must be crammed behind a screen in the name of "design" and "modernization," when we all know it's in the name of cost cutting and simplicity for the manufacturer.
wtf is Bullitt ??
I think the s550 is the best looking mustang since the first generation
@@lordzed83 My other comment didn't either get posted or got deleted.
Ever heard of Google? It ain't that hard, dawg. :)
@@richardnavratil9661 we dont get those in uk :( never heard about thhat trim.
@@lordzed83 That's definitely incorrect. There's an export version with left hand (my parents saw one back home in Czech), as well as right-hand drive, exported to Australia and UK as well.
UK autototrader has literally *22* of them available for sale. How hard didn't you look? 🤣
Mustang 5.0 wins simple because it is faster in a straight line and more practical because it has a trunk and back seats. Regardless as nice as the Z has become it is still a toy and is not as easy to live with. $70k is beyond “weekend toy” car territory and these are likely going to be daily’s for people. My heart may say Z but my head says Mustang. Also you can’t deny the sound of a glorious V8.
The Z Nismo Is a direct competitor at the same price as the mustang but obviously they aren't available for testing yet. Once again Savagegeese thanks for the time to make this and the amazing automotive journalism.
As a 3x mustang gt owner...this is Waaaay too expensive....even if I can afford it...not worth it.
As for those "shocking" sticker prices: creating oceans of money out of thin air does exactly this
More so corporate greed and profits being the highest they've ever been can be pointed to causing more than a third of the inflation. But hey, let's give corporations more welfare.
Fords profit margin was 6%. Parts, materials, and labor costs a lot when inlation has been running hot after covid.
@@ledheavy26 Nah, more so the absolutely unprecedent printing
Biggest problem with the Mustang is not just the tires, its the suspension. It's more for comfort than performance. But most people will mod the Mustang's suspension anyway. Mine was big and floppy at first too. Then I lowered it and put quality suspension on it and it completely changed the car.
My vote is for the manual Z! I can live with the deficiencies compared to the GT. Pricing wise, the post pandemic era sucks.