The only thing missing is the banter between hosts. Throttle House fills that gap perfectly. Both channels are great complimentary replacements for the old Top Gear.
Actually bluegrass performs terribly many places it's planted and has all these irrational cultural associations. Perfect villain for Jason. Overconfident and deeply flawed incumbent. Weird and also flawed alternatives. I bet they could literally write an extremely entertaining episode on grass types lol
Yeah, I absolutely would own a sports car but I'd need to make roughly twice what I make right now to do that. Like as it stands I might be able to afford a miata if there's a brutal recession and people start selling their toys at steep discounts and also somehow I don't get laid off but outside of that unlikely scenario I will not be buying a sports car.
Absolutely. I have a Veloster N because of the topics discussed. I actually considered a Miata, but the practicality of needing a ONE CAR just made that a no-go.
As a 30 year old car guy, I can look back at my car history and clearly see how accurate this video is. As I've gotten older, I've gotten more 'efficient' and focus more on value over fun which is really sad to see. I started with my first car at 16 being a 300ZX, switched to an R34 Skyline at 19, moved to North America at 21 and made the sensible, practical choice of a Mazda3 hatch when restarting in a new country. I couldn't stand being a car guy without a car to be proud of so i picked up a 370Z at 25 and after a few winters with snow i made the change to a WRX STI at 29. Each 'upgrade' was carefully considered and I was always chasing the best bang for my buck but looking at it now, it was almost always the fun that was compromised in each transition for more function and utility. Getting older sucks because it's a necessity to think about the cost instead of chasing what we really want, fun.
This is the BEST piece of automotive journalism ever. Filming, Editing, and Content. Camissa, Randy, and Derek have succeeded the Top Gear legends at last. And Jason doesn't push a US-centric bias as much as Jeremy Clarkson pushed a Eurocentric one throughout his career. I'm liking this new era absurd, catchy, funny, yet accurate and thoughtful.
It’s normal that Clarkson pushed euro cars during his career, since he’s a pre-internet person from an older culture. Younger car journalists belong to the internet age and they can see the whole planet. Cheers!
So glad that Hagerty gave Jason what he needed to make his series work. Motortrend was limiting and you can see that, he's having fun here and making amazing content that's accessible by anyone. Thank you!
@@shAdOwstAlkEr945 to be honest I subscribed to motortrend on demand just to see some of their content. It’s getting better but just production value wise it’s not as good as this series.
@@fs5866, for real... Car Trek should do away with Hoovie and partner with Cammisa to work with Ed, and Tavarish on the Car Trek series... It would be SOOO much better!
@@Talynenunfortunately he doesnt seem to do so much anymore but yes, it was from Jason. I have commented and DM'ed a few times asking to bring the silly comments and para-brackets back but it seems they are gone now :'(
This film made me go through so many emotions. This wasn't a car review. This was a tribute to what we lost and what we want in our souls. I absolutely loved this!!!. I want more Jason and Randy and films like this!
@@staydilatedTV sadly the affordability of all those great roadsters and coupes of the 60's & 70's was a fairly USA specific thing, for the rest of the even western world, they were a middle class luxury - something the original sales figure distributions for Porsche, Datsun, FIAT, Triumph, MG & Alfa Romeo remind us of.
@@staydilatedTV the product themselves were outstanding! Technical tour de force, on all new platforms in many cases and usually bettered their USA & UK/EU competitors especially where price, performance and features were concerned. 90's RX-7, 300ZX, 3000GT and Supra were king of the performance hill. My previous comments about the USA $ value ratio remain though. In many other markets, the rising value of the Japanese yen meant these cars were high priced and sold in relatively small numbers denying access to a broad market, great shame.
Many of us compare ICONS to the best of Top Gear, but really, ICONS and Jason's other creations for Hagerty are quickly surpassing even that comparison.
Because the appeal of the original Top Gear was that it wasn't about presenters reading spec sheets to the audience. They were journalists that actually wrote something interesting about the cars they tested that went beyond just the numbers. Besides, who wants someone reading a spec sheet to you? Jason et al understand this and are making great, great content for us enthusiasts!
I think TG was many people's intro to snappy, stylized, sarcastic, and funny 'journalism'. They have a ton of goodwill and nostalgia for being the first. Many of their segments are also just hilarious and there are so many to choose from. So even if ICONS is consistently as good or better, there's always going to be a hill to climb in people's minds.
This HAS TO BE the best car video I've seen this year! Excellent camera work, action with the cars and journalism. BTW, The subtitles.... Give that guy a raise! 🤣
Agree, but there's one HUGE factor Jason missed: traffic. The biggest reason enthusiast vehicles are changing is because the roads are clogged. There are fewer and fewer places to enjoy a pure sports car. A SUV (or a truck) is much better sitting in traffic or in the suburban grind. Even if you DO get out on a mountain road, chances are you'll quickly get stuck behind someone who won't pull over. Look at road traffic volume from the golden age of sports cars to now, and you'll see why there aren't many left.
@@yumpbalump that's only true if you're driving when everybody's driving. i regularly take some hours off during weekdays in the early afternoon for example or (my favourite) after the evening rush hour is over in summer and all the backroads are free. it's perfect. and i live in switzerland which is one of the smallest and most crowded places you can live in so if it works for me, it works for almost everybody. you just got to prioritize it
@@hazardeur Couldn't agree more. Most of my "fun" driving is done between 5:30AM and 9:00AM on the weekends. Nobody, I mean NOBODY, is out that early on the weekends on most non major roadways. May I ask what you drive?
@@severe28 sure, right now i'm having a lot of fun with a C7 Z06 Corvette. one of the most insane cars i had to date. what's your ride? i always tried to get out early on the weekends at times like yours but i'm just to weak minded for that haha. as you say, it's probably the best time for driving, especially in a convertible
I love top gear, I love the grand tour. But hagerty along with John and Randy have taken it to a whole new level and raised the bar of creativity and content.
Yeah, but here the humour seems a lot more forced and cringe. Plus the main host tries to make himself look like another middle class worker just like you, when in reality he is a millionaire lol
Jason and Hagerty, these videos are at an incredible level of quality and writing. Even the videography is super thoughtful and deep. Love the way the cars came onto track while Jason was talking about the progression of enthusiast vehicles throughout generations. Then the SVR comes onto track going the opposite direction representing perhaps the progression going the wrong way for some enthusiasts.
When Jason talked about the cars until the WRX and said "you know what comes next" i yelled "SUV" with disgust, because i knew exactly what his point is going to be. Great writing and a great production.
It honestly felt like I was watching a short film. Entertaining, thought provoking, and informational all rolled into one video. Shout out to the entire Hagerty crew for putting this together.
Amazing production, writing, presentation and just keeps getting better. These Hagerty videos are as good or better than any short films deserving of an Emmy. Keep up the good work!
You guys have completely reinvented the Top Gear formula and are CRUSHING IT!!! This is one of the best episodes of any car show I’ve seen. Period. Camissa is a goddamn legend. Keep it up the incredible work guys. We’re all here it for it.
Scoob fanbois need to calm down ....Sold my carbon fiber driveshafted, hard bushed, 305whp on 91 '15 Scoob Sti bc it was NEVER as fun or raw as my small cammed/flashed/downpiped Mitsubishi Evo 8 RS....fact. the subarus even the Sti are SOFT compared to the Evos. Subaru just happens to the 'current' lone survivor of the rally cars but the wrx was never as good as the Mitsubishi that OWNED the segment, so the perception of MANY that have never driven an Evo and only a softer WRX/Sti believe that it has to be the best one bc its still being produced.
Jason, you have done an incredible job of capturing the essence of what MotorTrend used to be, with a little bit of old school Top Gear. Incredible cinematography, poignant writing, beautiful cars, and a nice helping of comedic relief. I get chills every time I watch one of your videos. Bravo.
I respect anyone's choice of their sport/sporty car. Everyone has different visual, audible, and mechanical feels for different things. Everyone's got their own story and come up of THAT car for them. I'm just glad sports cars still exist period. People may make compromises but for the most part the spirit is still alive.
This series w Jason is the modern heir to the original top gear. That feeling of being about cars but saying much more about us as humans and our feelings during the short time we have.
The critique of stagnant wages impact on enthusiasts is so good, with new car prices marked up and older sports cars climbing from collectibility, having a car just as a toy is hard to justify if you aren't making pretty big bucks these days
The sad thing is that sporty cars that are supposed to be affordable, like the 86, are being marked up heinously by dealers, preventing the people who they were designed for from buying them. Even used Miatas are beyond the reach of most, unless you want to fix a clapped-out one.
@@dougrobinson8602 just like the focus RS, if barely anyone buys these sport cars now and in a few years, then they'll consider them flops and then axe those models out of the line up even though many enthusiast want them
solution to his problem- build your own car. I built myself a Locost 7 from scratch over ~5 years. Way cheaper than any new sports car and trounces them in every performance metric(except comfort & safety by a large margin).
I just subscribed because 1) You absolute earned it 2) this makes me extremely excited for your content 3) you didn't ask me to. I'm going to spend the rest of my day watching every Hagerty video with these two.
4) Call hagerty for a quote because they're the best insurance company I have ever dealt with and they are 1/3rd the price of the next cheapest insurer
Jason is setting the bar high. Great work. Filming, music, sound all outstanding. Good blooper good for a laugh and good to see Jason enjoying himself so much.
@@rafifarhan4875 No he made a point that through its inception from the very early years that the Z designation is important, he also explained very clearly why.
The production level of this channel is truly in a class of its own. The camera angles, the sound, the content. These videos are amazing and I got genuine chills at some points when watching it.
I know that there are a lot of people who love Top Gear and really try to emulate it. For my money, what Jason and team do here is better. It's better shot, better storytelling ... It sets the new bar. Well done.
@@wilsonmpesha904 Yes, to a degree. You cannot compare the budgets and the platforms for which each one is thought. I loved Clarkson's Top Gear as well: the trips, the challenges and everything, but UA-cam videos are created differently. The image of the cars was most of the times the center of Top Gear, but here, even though we appreciate the looks as well, we are getting something else. Something that Jezza gave every time he could (a grater picture of a car and context), but that was lost overtime. Jason, on the other hand, is obviously researching and interpreting a very big picture with different intelectual perspectives. He writes, if you will, not in a very car enthusiast purist way, but in a more informed holistic way.
This Series is so perfectly produced in every episode, I cannot find a bad one. great job Jason and the team filming with those amazing effects That make you feel like you are there watching him! Thanks for reigniting my inner car love.
I have a love hate relationship with this episode. I love the production, research, attention to detail, and the list goes on. I could praise how well these episodes are crafted. I hate what the information tells us, the traditional car enthusiast is a dying breed. Not in the cool way that makes the enthusiast seem unique and cool but in a scary forced extinction type of way.
Take it up a level and heed the point made about root cause... it's not that the enthusiast is a dying breed, people can't AFFORD to be enthusiasts any more. We are returning to serfdom... serfs with big screen TVs and food delivered to your door, but serfs no less.
There was so much honest, modern, relatable life advice in this 23 minute car review that I am seriously considering sharing it with multiple family members that could not care less about cars, but that desperately need to hear the things that were said in this episode, especially the concept on which the video ended.
@@cowmath77 Buddy, it's not fear that's holding me back😆, it's whether or not the people I want to send it to are perceptive enough to understand/appreciate the meaning of the advice/information that Jason worked into this review so eloquently.
@@moogle68 If they don't understand it, that's on them. The point could only be made clearer if Jason had put it all in big bold letters across the screen.
@@reinbeers5322 true, I guess what I meant is that they might disagree with the info. Anyways, "seriously considering" is a phrase that I use often, and it doesn't imply the reason for the hesitation. Obviously, it isn't my fault if they don't understand the advice given, but because that's a possible reaction I didnt want to waste the time it would take to send them a link with a short message explaining why they should watch a 20+ minute review of cars they aren't even interested in.
I have absolutely missed seeing jason on youtube for the past few years. So thank you Jason and Hagerty for making this series, this series always puts a smile on my face.
I'm so happy to see all the praise this content, and especially Jason/Anthony are getting. It brings a tear to my eye. And thank you to Hagerty for making it happen. And for insuring my GTO 😁
Great vid...wish there was more airtime given to the Veloster N given it hits the sweet spot in terms of price, performance and styling imo.. Civic Type R would have been nice too...but I understand pricing for the CTR can push it out of the average enthusiast..
Another brilliant video, working on so many levels. When you can combine a car review with a critique of socioeconomic trends, and make the point in an entertaining yet crystal clear way in the conclusion, you've really accomplished something. Bravo.
Jason you kicked butt with this episode!!!! I'm glad to see that your style an attitude are well implemented at Hagerty. hands down the best episode by far🤩
Wow didn't want this one to end. Great writing, great editing, goosebumps everywhere by the finish. Thanks everyone involved, gonna go for a drive now.
Love the Z, had a first gen 280z myself that I regret selling. Fast forward a decade later and I just helped my sister pick up her private purchase being a 350z
Here in Denmark the MX-5 is selling incredibly well. I see an ND every day, often multiple times a day. I definitely see MX-5s more often than Jaguars. It always makes me happy when I see that someone didn't buy some dumb SUV or overpowered car and bought a fun little MX-5 in stead.
it may have to be because you're heavily taxed on SUV emissions, aren't you ? mind you, the system has gone so crazy now even MX5 are taxed... but the EV Hummer, nope, you can buy a whole fleet of that. Politics... they did not mind importing the new Z nor the GR86 in Europe. The Supra barely sells. So glad there is still the MX5 !
The Miata (MX-5) is an absolutely wonderful car…the antithesis of the hot hatch. It’s built for the whimsy of motoring with the top down…it’s engaging and relatively cheap in all aspects.
So you should understand that to have a 30~40k toy really is a privilege. SUVs are not dumb, it's just because not everyone can afford the tiny little fun car.
I like how the Hagerty's series such as ICONS focus on story telling, knowledge of past, where the industry is heading and most importantly a conclusion. Brilliant video!
Alright, I'll say it now: this is the best Icons episode. You guys have outdone yourselves. Kudos! Now on the subject of Icons, when are you doing an episode on Jaguar E-Type and it's successor F-Type? You've also touched upon SUVs taking over and also dubbed the Jag F-Pace SVR as the leading fun SUV, so an episode on the Range Rover next perhaps? It's an Icon in the same vein as the Nissan Z, I'd argue.
Man this is like way overkill. For the type of money that UA-cam pays successful channels you’d think all of them channels would have content of this quality but nah. Lots of them stick to shaky footage in selfie mode with hardly any editing. This channel however sets a standard that inspires audience and creators alike. Nothing but gratitude for the work you guys do the best 23 mins I spent on the internet today were definitely worth it watching this.
Do you know it was until you said 23 minutes that I realised it was actually 23 minutes.... I couldn't tell, I just kept watching till the last minute. Damn
This is so incredible. Thank you for talking about the economic side of this. Also, whoever is writing the closed captions, know that I rewatch videos for them!
This video hammers in something I've known, intuitively, about the sports car market for years. I can't think of a better way to frame it than this video.
How is this a mere UA-cam video?????? This is cinematic levels of writing and filming on par with top gear's outrageous budget, how have I not come across hagerty's UA-cam channel earlier???
Good Lord Gracious, Jason and the whole team around him are really spreading the love! Everybody in the production chain seems to rev it up to the max, these episodes all so well written, shot, presented, edited, VF/X'ed (not a term, i know), soundmixed - it's pure joy to watch them.
As the proud owner of a 2022 WRX, this video really resonated with me. Had to sell the Corvette to accommodate my young family. I want to drive my fun car everyday to work and row my own gears, so it was the best compromise for me. Miss the corvette but I’m glad I can still have fun and now I get to enjoy smelling the roses with my kids!
Would have bought a used minivan/Tahoe,suburban,explorer cash price before selling my Vette. Ex wife pulled that with me when we had kids. $750 Ford explorer with ac, put a transmission in it for $400, still got my Camaro lol
As former MKII owner and a current MKIV TT owner, the rear end that you “Don’t fully trust”, is a hallmark of the Supra. I’m so glad they didn’t neuter it.
@@nf1369 I’ve got one of those, too. The early 1990 build date turbo with the notoriously sketchy rear. I wouldn’t trade it for a 1994+ if you paid money on top. It’s too much fun.
Exactly the same feeling I got. It has that same "Celebration of Motoring" feel that mid 2000s Top Gear had (and Clarkson's documentaries of the 90s). TG (and especially The Grand Tour) evolved to "3 blokes farting around with cars" which is still great, but I miss that older style. These Hagerty guys are crushing it.
@@dub537h5 You've never driven a car you must be like 14. Most vehicles do not have a dct transmission, what even is a tiny engine noise that makes no sense lol, and by all means the N is not quiet at all you have no clue what your talking about its one of the only cars that has a loud exhaust and can backfire STOCK for its price. Go read a book or educate yourself everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you just sound clueless dumbass.
Great episode all around, as usual!!! Really loved Randy in this though, he stole the show with that “WRX, birches” comment 😂😂. Literally LOL’d hard at that.
So glad I found this channel. Fantastic content! Closet thing I've found to fill the Top Gear void IMO. Great cinematography, presenters, pacing, music, everything.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I maintain that the 240Z did not redefine what a sports car was. Instead, the 240Z showed people just how awesome an affordable GT could be. The Z is, and always has been, a GT - just as with its competitor back in the day, the MGB GT. From Car and Driver's 1970 240Z road test: "The people at Datsun balk at calling the 240Z a sports car. To them it's a "personal" GT car". It really doesn't get any more clear than that. The people who weren't comfortable with calling the 240Z a GT were the buyers. For most, it just sounds cooler to say that they own a sports car - even if it isn't. This is not unlike obese individuals who refer to themselves as somewhat overweight as it serves to reframe reality to meet their needs. I get the aversion to being considered fat (though it doesn't how you phrase it), but since when did owning a GT car become an embarrassment? Another step away from reality is viewing things like infotainment systems and piped in fake engine noises as anything other than gimmicks. These things have no place in a sports car (or any car that some want to call timeless for that matter). But let's face it, the bottom line is that car buyers today want their gimmicks. Regardless of what people want to call today's cars, sports cars are basically relics of the past and have fared about as well as motorcycles with buyers in this country for many of the same reasons. Car marketers would have been fools not to eventually pick up on this insecurity that exists among the car buying public. Thus, as the 70's came and went and time moved forward, there was seemingly no limits with regards to what was referred to as a sports car. Of course for many decades now marketers have also been very keen to include the word "sport" no matter what. In reality, genuine purpose built sports cars have always been made for a very small minority of new car buyers and there is almost no demand for them among new car buyers today. This is not unlike motorcycles, because as with genuine sports cars, they appeal to an incredibly small portion of the population here in the States due to the fact that neither one is considered practical in general terms. The irony is that GT's typically represented a rung up on the pricing ladder compared to sports cars which tended to be more basic in nature. It's a shame because I can't recall anyone implying that GT's weren't fun to drive or capable of very serious levels of performance. Were I to have the extra garage space and money, I would love to own a 240Z and would be more than proud referring to it as one of the truly legendary GT's of all time. Nomenclature aside, a good follow up article to this one might be titled "Why has the grand touring car become so damned in the minds of America's car buying public?" Who knows, at the root of such an article might very well be the introduction of the 240Z. One other factor to consider is just how much money people budget for things that never entered into the equation back when the 240Z hit the market. Nowadays a car purchase has to compete for a share of the budget with devices like large screen TV's, computers, tablets, smartphones, etc. (and often multiples of these things that are replaced quite frequently). Add to this the subscription services needed to keep those devices viable. It's not enough to have these things available to us when we're not out driving, people these days want much of this functionality included in their vehicles even though it has nothing to do with driving itself. The cost of these devices along with the subscription fees definitely add up, and for many people that alone might represent enough to buy and insure an actual sports car in addition to their daily driver. In addition, were the car manufacturers to axe such gimmicks, they could no doubt lower the price of their cars by a significant amount. But as the world changes, so do people's priorities. Actual purpose built sports cars simply don't fit in with those priorities these days, and they haven't for some time now. This video does a very good job of explaining why.
This video is still beautiful, 1 year after its publication. Perfect blend of story telling, old top gear fun, petrolhead culture. That Z has such a classy line! If I had the money I'd definitely get one
That was the best Icons episode yet! Loved the narrative throughline, and of course, the cars involved. Very well thought out, Cammisa. All it was missing was a Hyphen cameo.
The ending does hit when every other week you're told "this is how great a driving experience can be" and a few sentences later "here's why it's not gonna happen ever again" I hate this end of combustion engine crap because it's just a reminder that the best times are behind us if the electric future is what's waiting for us on the other side. Every single performance car is said to be the last pure one, the last M2 in particular has had its headlines be heavily thrown towards the "it's the last one" than "a new one is coming out" I can't be the only one tired of that. I hope the Z sells a bit so we have a few left to go around for 10 years down the line when the music's over. Currently, I'm just hoping the record doesn't stop...because it will.... ...and we can't seem to out run that.
Now is the time to be picking up the gas car you want to ride into the sunset with. I just bought an ND miata. Time for all the homies to grab one while they're still around
The electric cars will never be the future and it is explained by the Rivian CEO “Put very simply, all the world’s cell production combined represents well under 10% of what we will need in 10 years,” Scaringe told reporters, according to the WSJ. “Meaning, 90% to 95% of the supply chain does not exist." That is why I don't buy all this "ICE engines will be gone" crap.
Petrospect - listen to me very very very carefully - Every time you spend money at big corporations that are WEF members = you're contributing to the problem. That's where all of this is coming from. It's just another scam, and the end result will be = > cost of driving with higher electric/utility costs to "fund upgrades" and with lithium scarcity, it's impossible for "everyone" to buy electric. So Here is what it's ACTUALLY about - Wealth transfer, using yet another existential "crisis" as an excuse. Their sales pitch is comical too: "You're all going to die!! unless you do _____"... and people fall for it!!!! I still see people wearing masks, yet, if you bring up that there's HUNDREDS of studies illustrating they're pointless = blank stares/you're ____ ist (whatever "ist" is "in" that week/ spin the wheel...). So as usual the winners will be: 1) Big DADDY Gov't (yes, all caps are needed!) 2) Big Corporations and to sociopathic loser "executives" that loves Federal Reserve funded stock buyback schemes and they'll game the ESG scoring model even MORE than their gov't/corporate insider trading games. Every single corporation rewards sociopaths, psychopaths, and narcissists. You'll never ever ever ever see someone "doing the right thing" move to the top of any organization. 3) It's one big game of Monopoly - everything you see/hear on the CORPORATE news media is all a distraction so, you're busy being "outraged" - the big corporations are busy hashing out who gets what in terms of resources left on the planet. The WEF is something you should really look into. The more you look into it, the more you'll start to make all of the connections, not only between corporations and big DADDY gov't (no, all caps NEVER gets old to me! haha), but also NGO's, the CDC, and WHO...... And for bonus points if you're not depressed enough: Look at the BIS (Bank of International settlements) and the IMF (International monetary fund). You see - most people won't read "new" information, as they have been TRAINED to have an attention span of 0.00001 seconds. That's what IG "Reelz" and TikTok are all about... turn humans into Pavlovian dopamine hamsters while the real sociopaths are 5-8 chess moves ahead. ** and no "Not all" executives are "sociopaths" but... listen... I can easily, much faster than most people in public can even imagine! see around the stupid smile, fake platitudes, excessive preposition use, and identify and connect real motives of most of them. They're simply sellouts with zero moral calling... this is why they invest MILLIONS in all these life extension ventures of various sorts.. it's an existential crisis when you sell your soul... There's PLENTY of oil, and YES, the climate IS "changing" but, it's always has been. I can easily debate both sides. The bottom line is that the top 0.0001% nolonger need a "working class" and they want the planet as their personal playground. That's why supply chains are being purposely crushed. They have to make as much marginal profit before the currency collapses and then they bring in the next scam fiat: Fedcoin/CBDC...
What an amazing production. Thank you folks for making an average enthusiasts whole weekend. Jason and Randy are hero's. It's refreshing to have these vehicles discussed from an economic perspective. Thank you all.
Properly rendered to 21:9, amazing content with great watching experience, only one of the few channels left not to letterbox their cinematic footage, good job.
This was ur best video by far, really enjoyed it. From the Bob Ross thing to the fact that u r spot on when u said “ having fun on the way to work will never go out of style”.
Yutaka Katayama, “Father of the Datsun Z,” was virulently opposed to the name "Fairlady" on cars sold in the US. He objected, his boss decided he was crazy, so when the first shipment arrived in the US, he rushed down to meet the ship and personally took off all the name plates and replaced them with "240Z."
This is why I fell in love with cars watching Jason through this episode my mind went to Clarkson on Top gear... this is automotive journalism at its very sexual BEST... keep up the good work Jason!
The moment the drag race video appears and then the revelations with the 240z. I immediately know that we are getting an Icons episode on the new Z. And it's worth the wait
The BMW Zupra is a great numbers car, the Nissan Z is a great drivers car, especially once you take the price difference between the two and throw in some SPL Parts goodies!
Great video as always but this one felt special to me. My first two cars in order were a 1979 280zx and a 1976 280z. I really like the new Z for many reason and nostalgia being a big one. However when it came down to buying my next sports car the Z didn’t make the cut. My 1979 280zx weighed in the ballpark of 2,800lbs so the new Z weighing 800lbs more just didn’t feel right. For me a sports car is not about power, it is more about the lack of weight. I set out and tested many sports cars, sport hatch, sport sedan and one came away a clear winner. Here is my list of cars I have driven while weighing my decision. 2017 Cayman 2.0L, 2021 Supra 3.0L, 2022 C8, 2019 Type R, 2015 STI, 2022 GR86, 2022 RF Miata, 2017 Camaro, 2015 Cayman GTS, 2009 Si, 2014 Si, 350z, 370z, g35, 2013 Miata, 2002 Miata, 2010 C6, 2015 Mustang, 2011 Mustang, 2005 Mustang, 2000 Mustang, 2002 Camaro, 2011 Camaro, 2012 Charger, 2017 86, 2009 Challenger, 2004 eclipse, 2019 model 3 performance, 2002 mr2, 2019 2.0L Accord, 2017 Accord sport, 2004 rsx, 2006 tsx, 2005 tl, 2013 frs, 2008 GS350, 2007 Lexus is250, 2010 Lexus is350, 2009 EVO, 2008 rx8, s2000, 2007 gti, and many more. The winner based on these criteria. Lightweight, affordable, front engine rwd, 2+2 configuration, fuel efficient, fun to drive, and looks beautiful. The choice was easy…. 2022 Neptune Blue GR86
wow, I'm genuinely impressed by the content, narrative, camera angle, production crew, and delivery. one of the best videos to come out from you guys yet!
This is what the 'Old' Top Gear fans loved; humor, knowledge, tact, horsepower. Camissa is a kid at heart and so many of us can relate to him!
The only thing missing is the banter between hosts. Throttle House fills that gap perfectly. Both channels are great complimentary replacements for the old Top Gear.
@@gabrielgingras814 i don't find throttle house guys to be funny tbh, they're kinda fun to watch but nowhere near the old top gear uk or jason cammisa
For friend vibes nothing beats donut
Exactly
I think this is even better because it's only about the cars the whole time.
You could put out a video on the performance of difference types of grass with these guys and i'd watch 100% of the video.
I could watch that
Actually bluegrass performs terribly many places it's planted and has all these irrational cultural associations. Perfect villain for Jason. Overconfident and deeply flawed incumbent. Weird and also flawed alternatives. I bet they could literally write an extremely entertaining episode on grass types lol
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truth be told watching Jason Cammisa's videos is just like watching tg all over again and it feels soo good 😊
We really need this video
I appreciate that Jason and his team didn't neglect to talk about the financial reality that drives people away from owning these cars.
Yeah, I absolutely would own a sports car but I'd need to make roughly twice what I make right now to do that. Like as it stands I might be able to afford a miata if there's a brutal recession and people start selling their toys at steep discounts and also somehow I don't get laid off but outside of that unlikely scenario I will not be buying a sports car.
Absolutely.
I have a Veloster N because of the topics discussed. I actually considered a Miata, but the practicality of needing a ONE CAR just made that a no-go.
@Jason Cammisa Only a dirty hippie like Bob would dare acknowledge the brutal reality of our current economic system.
@Jason Cammisa I thought Bob Ross died.
As a 30 year old car guy, I can look back at my car history and clearly see how accurate this video is. As I've gotten older, I've gotten more 'efficient' and focus more on value over fun which is really sad to see. I started with my first car at 16 being a 300ZX, switched to an R34 Skyline at 19, moved to North America at 21 and made the sensible, practical choice of a Mazda3 hatch when restarting in a new country. I couldn't stand being a car guy without a car to be proud of so i picked up a 370Z at 25 and after a few winters with snow i made the change to a WRX STI at 29. Each 'upgrade' was carefully considered and I was always chasing the best bang for my buck but looking at it now, it was almost always the fun that was compromised in each transition for more function and utility. Getting older sucks because it's a necessity to think about the cost instead of chasing what we really want, fun.
This is the BEST piece of automotive journalism ever. Filming, Editing, and Content. Camissa, Randy, and Derek have succeeded the Top Gear legends at last. And Jason doesn't push a US-centric bias as much as Jeremy Clarkson pushed a Eurocentric one throughout his career. I'm liking this new era absurd, catchy, funny, yet accurate and thoughtful.
+1.... reminds me of the ol' Top Gear | Amazing audio-video experience.
@@daitengu989its amazing how much analysis emerged from what the Z symbolizes for the car enthusiast. Still my favorite auto journalism of all time.
Agreed
Yep Jason "American Clarkson" Cammisa strikes gold again!
It’s normal that Clarkson pushed euro cars during his career, since he’s a pre-internet person from an older culture. Younger car journalists belong to the internet age and they can see the whole planet. Cheers!
So glad that Hagerty gave Jason what he needed to make his series work. Motortrend was limiting and you can see that, he's having fun here and making amazing content that's accessible by anyone. Thank you!
Hiding most of Camissa's content behind a paywall (albeit cheap) was motortrend's death sentence
@@shAdOwstAlkEr945 to be honest I subscribed to motortrend on demand just to see some of their content. It’s getting better but just production value wise it’s not as good as this series.
This is on the top gear level of production. Absolutely amazing presentation
@@fs5866, for real... Car Trek should do away with Hoovie and partner with Cammisa to work with Ed, and Tavarish on the Car Trek series... It would be SOOO much better!
AGREED! He's an amazing automotive journalist.
Dayum - what a video. Well done to everyone on screen (and off screen) that made this happen. The graphics, music choice, editing. Bravo!
We’d all love to watch a collab with MCM!
Totally agree MCM 👌
send me a sticker!!
Good to see you guys watching this aswell, 400z vs moog's rb26 z 🤔❤👌
@@Tom-lf8hx No such thing as a 400Z. Doesn’t exist outside of your head.
Best automotive content on UA-cam hands down. Sheesh this is so good.
Hi Chad 🤘.
Best content period. On par with 2000s top gear and better than the Grand Tour.
hope you had a cheap beer with a great view while you watched it
@@autocrossracer8320 I agree, I shouldn’t have said UA-cam because even on mainstream networks nothing comes close to how good this is.
@@drizzetsrevenge hi 👋🏻 🍻
Whoever put all the little notes in the closed captions deserves an oscar, honestly my favorite part
Why Oscar of all car?
I just watched it all over again with CC turned on. Did not disappoint!
Late reply, but Jason writes the captions himself.
@@Talynenunfortunately he doesnt seem to do so much anymore but yes, it was from Jason. I have commented and DM'ed a few times asking to bring the silly comments and para-brackets back but it seems they are gone now :'(
Standing Ovation, Roaring Growth - the man who's doing subtitles is a funny dude!
Heh, that's just me. Thank you!
'Professional idiot. Closed course.' gave me such a good laugh! 🤣
@@Motiahmed330 Turn on the subtitles~
@@JasonCammisa 😀
@@JasonCammisa i fucking love you
This film made me go through so many emotions. This wasn't a car review. This was a tribute to what we lost and what we want in our souls. I absolutely loved this!!!. I want more Jason and Randy and films like this!
what we lost.. i'm only in my late 20s now. i'm only now able to buy a brand new car. and the market just aint what it was.
@@staydilatedTV sadly the affordability of all those great roadsters and coupes of the 60's & 70's was a fairly USA specific thing, for the rest of the even western world, they were a middle class luxury - something the original sales figure distributions for Porsche, Datsun, FIAT, Triumph, MG & Alfa Romeo remind us of.
@@stephanmartini4514 how was it in the 90s for japanese sports coupes?
Y’all have been CRUSHING it with the editing.
@@staydilatedTV the product themselves were outstanding! Technical tour de force, on all new platforms in many cases and usually bettered their USA & UK/EU competitors especially where price, performance and features were concerned. 90's RX-7, 300ZX, 3000GT and Supra were king of the performance hill. My previous comments about the USA $ value ratio remain though. In many other markets, the rising value of the Japanese yen meant these cars were high priced and sold in relatively small numbers denying access to a broad market, great shame.
Randy’s on the Hagerty payroll!!!!
Hip Randy is on hagerty payroll!
This production is on another level.
Jason a Randy make an amazing duo.
Props to all involved
Many of us compare ICONS to the best of Top Gear, but really, ICONS and Jason's other creations for Hagerty are quickly surpassing even that comparison.
Because the appeal of the original Top Gear was that it wasn't about presenters reading spec sheets to the audience. They were journalists that actually wrote something interesting about the cars they tested that went beyond just the numbers. Besides, who wants someone reading a spec sheet to you? Jason et al understand this and are making great, great content for us enthusiasts!
Top Gear is crap
I think TG was many people's intro to snappy, stylized, sarcastic, and funny 'journalism'. They have a ton of goodwill and nostalgia for being the first. Many of their segments are also just hilarious and there are so many to choose from. So even if ICONS is consistently as good or better, there's always going to be a hill to climb in people's minds.
TG was my benchmark before this...it's not even close now.
This episode is pure car porn!
@@asifnoaman8978 Ehhh idk about that one chief
This HAS TO BE the best car video I've seen this year! Excellent camera work, action with the cars and journalism. BTW, The subtitles.... Give that guy a raise! 🤣
Agree, but there's one HUGE factor Jason missed: traffic.
The biggest reason enthusiast vehicles are changing is because the roads are clogged. There are fewer and fewer places to enjoy a pure sports car. A SUV (or a truck) is much better sitting in traffic or in the suburban grind. Even if you DO get out on a mountain road, chances are you'll quickly get stuck behind someone who won't pull over.
Look at road traffic volume from the golden age of sports cars to now, and you'll see why there aren't many left.
@@yumpbalump that's only true if you're driving when everybody's driving. i regularly take some hours off during weekdays in the early afternoon for example or (my favourite) after the evening rush hour is over in summer and all the backroads are free. it's perfect. and i live in switzerland which is one of the smallest and most crowded places you can live in so if it works for me, it works for almost everybody. you just got to prioritize it
@@hazardeur
Couldn't agree more. Most of my "fun" driving is done between 5:30AM and 9:00AM on the weekends. Nobody, I mean NOBODY, is out that early on the weekends on most non major roadways.
May I ask what you drive?
@@severe28 sure, right now i'm having a lot of fun with a C7 Z06 Corvette. one of the most insane cars i had to date. what's your ride?
i always tried to get out early on the weekends at times like yours but i'm just to weak minded for that haha. as you say, it's probably the best time for driving, especially in a convertible
Yeah I paused and rewound the video so many times just so that I could read the subtitles
Jason himself is now one of the ICONS in the world of Motoring presenters!!
"Now" smh the disrespect
I find him super annoying
No he’s not
@@yhshah21 like punk little brother annoying
The old top gear guys used to come up with a video like this every now and then but you guys smash it every single time. Respect.
I love top gear, I love the grand tour. But hagerty along with John and Randy have taken it to a whole new level and raised the bar of creativity and content.
this is what top gear used to be. cars were the attraction but you got a short story relevant to them
Yeah, but here the humour seems a lot more forced and cringe. Plus the main host tries to make himself look like another middle class worker just like you, when in reality he is a millionaire lol
I love this video too, but the banter that James, Richard, and Jeremy have with each other will never be matched.
@@OrionBlaze so you want reviewers to review exactly what they can afford and nothing else? He's rich because people like him, nothing wrong with that
@@OrionBlaze "The host is trying to put himself into the shoes of his target audience and that sucks."
What?
Jason and Hagerty, these videos are at an incredible level of quality and writing. Even the videography is super thoughtful and deep. Love the way the cars came onto track while Jason was talking about the progression of enthusiast vehicles throughout generations. Then the SVR comes onto track going the opposite direction representing perhaps the progression going the wrong way for some enthusiasts.
Spot on! This comment just made my day. Thrilled someone caught that little easter egg.
@@anthonyesposito4872 That's not an easter egg. Former generations called this quality writing. Keep up the good work!
When Jason talked about the cars until the WRX and said "you know what comes next" i yelled "SUV" with disgust, because i knew exactly what his point is going to be. Great writing and a great production.
It honestly felt like I was watching a short film. Entertaining, thought provoking, and informational all rolled into one video. Shout out to the entire Hagerty crew for putting this together.
Amazing production, writing, presentation and just keeps getting better. These Hagerty videos are as good or better than any short films deserving of an Emmy. Keep up the good work!
I agree! I was going to comment but you said everything that I needed to say!
This show is the pinnacle of video editing. I love all the special effects. The witty subtitles are a fantastic touch.
Thanks for the tip about the subtitles!
Watch the Lucid Air video. In my opinion, it beats this video. This video is awesome. The Lucid video is epic!
"Professional Idiot, Do Not Attempt"
To bad that because of Putin, even a car show now looks like Russian propaganda.
@@piotrmalewski8178 lmao what?
You guys have completely reinvented the Top Gear formula and are CRUSHING IT!!! This is one of the best episodes of any car show I’ve seen. Period. Camissa is a goddamn legend. Keep it up the incredible work guys. We’re all here it for it.
Came here to say this - the FEELING of what made Top Gear great is here, and Jason brings his own approachable humor to the US fans. Thank you guys!
This episode brought tears to my eyes. It's so true.
Wonderfully written, wonderfully edited and so damn spot on.
Thank you Jason.
“WRX Bitches!” was golden
Scoob fanbois need to calm down ....Sold my carbon fiber driveshafted, hard bushed, 305whp on 91 '15 Scoob Sti bc it was NEVER as fun or raw as my small cammed/flashed/downpiped Mitsubishi Evo 8 RS....fact. the subarus even the Sti are SOFT compared to the Evos. Subaru just happens to the 'current' lone survivor of the rally cars but the wrx was never as good as the Mitsubishi that OWNED the segment, so the perception of MANY that have never driven an Evo and only a softer WRX/Sti believe that it has to be the best one bc its still being produced.
Jason, you have done an incredible job of capturing the essence of what MotorTrend used to be, with a little bit of old school Top Gear. Incredible cinematography, poignant writing, beautiful cars, and a nice helping of comedic relief. I get chills every time I watch one of your videos. Bravo.
Hagerty is honestly making the most amazing videos with Jason!
Yes they are
I'm comfortable calling it a better show than Top Gear at this point, IMO.
Absolutely, and with tons of subtle comedic intellect! 🤓
This is the kind of automotive journal that I am looking for. The quality. My gosh. Keep up the awesome work.
This episode gave me chills man. I love the writing and I love my Z’s. I don’t care who’s the fastest I just want to have fun
I respect anyone's choice of their sport/sporty car. Everyone has different visual, audible, and mechanical feels for different things. Everyone's got their own story and come up of THAT car for them. I'm just glad sports cars still exist period. People may make compromises but for the most part the spirit is still alive.
This series w Jason is the modern heir to the original top gear. That feeling of being about cars but saying much more about us as humans and our feelings during the short time we have.
Hear hear! 👍
You're spot on! He just needs a couple co-hosts that match his chemistry and it'll be awesome.
I see Jason Cammisa, I click.
Me too!
Have a cookie🍪
Simple as that.
Hell yeah 👍👍👍
I see Jason Camisa and Randy Post, i click very fast
The critique of stagnant wages impact on enthusiasts is so good, with new car prices marked up and older sports cars climbing from collectibility, having a car just as a toy is hard to justify if you aren't making pretty big bucks these days
The sad thing is that sporty cars that are supposed to be affordable, like the 86, are being marked up heinously by dealers, preventing the people who they were designed for from buying them. Even used Miatas are beyond the reach of most, unless you want to fix a clapped-out one.
@@dougrobinson8602 just like the focus RS, if barely anyone buys these sport cars now and in a few years, then they'll consider them flops and then axe those models out of the line up even though many enthusiast want them
solution to his problem- build your own car. I built myself a Locost 7 from scratch over ~5 years. Way cheaper than any new sports car and trounces them in every performance metric(except comfort & safety by a large margin).
I just subscribed because 1) You absolute earned it 2) this makes me extremely excited for your content 3) you didn't ask me to.
I'm going to spend the rest of my day watching every Hagerty video with these two.
4) Call hagerty for a quote because they're the best insurance company I have ever dealt with and they are 1/3rd the price of the next cheapest insurer
Jason is setting the bar high. Great work. Filming, music, sound all outstanding. Good blooper good for a laugh and good to see Jason enjoying himself so much.
Too HIGH his the God of car reviews after watching this and this my first time
Man Spent whole Master Degres of Research & study about car and presented the whole journal just to make a point that the new Z is important
The production value on these is first rate.
@@rafifarhan4875 No he made a point that through its inception from the very early years that the Z designation is important, he also explained very clearly why.
The production level of this channel is truly in a class of its own. The camera angles, the sound, the content. These videos are amazing and I got genuine chills at some points when watching it.
I know that there are a lot of people who love Top Gear and really try to emulate it. For my money, what Jason and team do here is better. It's better shot, better storytelling ... It sets the new bar. Well done.
No way. Clarkson'sTop gear is still the benchmark.
Eh subjective
@@wilsonmpesha904 Yes, to a degree. You cannot compare the budgets and the platforms for which each one is thought. I loved Clarkson's Top Gear as well: the trips, the challenges and everything, but UA-cam videos are created differently. The image of the cars was most of the times the center of Top Gear, but here, even though we appreciate the looks as well, we are getting something else. Something that Jezza gave every time he could (a grater picture of a car and context), but that was lost overtime. Jason, on the other hand, is obviously researching and interpreting a very big picture with different intelectual perspectives. He writes, if you will, not in a very car enthusiast purist way, but in a more informed holistic way.
This Series is so perfectly produced in every episode, I cannot find a bad one.
great job Jason and the team filming with those amazing effects That make you feel like you are there watching him! Thanks for reigniting my inner car love.
I have a love hate relationship with this episode. I love the production, research, attention to detail, and the list goes on. I could praise how well these episodes are crafted. I hate what the information tells us, the traditional car enthusiast is a dying breed. Not in the cool way that makes the enthusiast seem unique and cool but in a scary forced extinction type of way.
This is reality
Take it up a level and heed the point made about root cause... it's not that the enthusiast is a dying breed, people can't AFFORD to be enthusiasts any more. We are returning to serfdom... serfs with big screen TVs and food delivered to your door, but serfs no less.
There was so much honest, modern, relatable life advice in this 23 minute car review that I am seriously considering sharing it with multiple family members that could not care less about cars, but that desperately need to hear the things that were said in this episode, especially the concept on which the video ended.
@@cowmath77 Buddy, it's not fear that's holding me back😆, it's whether or not the people I want to send it to are perceptive enough to understand/appreciate the meaning of the advice/information that Jason worked into this review so eloquently.
@@moogle68 If they don't understand it, that's on them. The point could only be made clearer if Jason had put it all in big bold letters across the screen.
@@reinbeers5322 true, I guess what I meant is that they might disagree with the info. Anyways, "seriously considering" is a phrase that I use often, and it doesn't imply the reason for the hesitation. Obviously, it isn't my fault if they don't understand the advice given, but because that's a possible reaction I didnt want to waste the time it would take to send them a link with a short message explaining why they should watch a 20+ minute review of cars they aren't even interested in.
I think this video is the best they have made so far. Everything, from the editing to the script is a masterpiece. Thanks for this content!
Jason Cammisa's insights on the 2023 Nissan Z, Supra, and other contenders were informative and engaging.
I have absolutely missed seeing jason on youtube for the past few years. So thank you Jason and Hagerty for making this series, this series always puts a smile on my face.
I'm so happy to see all the praise this content, and especially Jason/Anthony are getting. It brings a tear to my eye.
And thank you to Hagerty for making it happen. And for insuring my GTO 😁
Man that Intro was Badass, well done whoever thought of that
Great vid...wish there was more airtime given to the Veloster N given it hits the sweet spot in terms of price, performance and styling imo.. Civic Type R would have been nice too...but I understand pricing for the CTR can push it out of the average enthusiast..
Glorious. Excellent content as always. Jason you continue to be the best automotive journalist out there.
Another brilliant video, working on so many levels. When you can combine a car review with a critique of socioeconomic trends, and make the point in an entertaining yet crystal clear way in the conclusion, you've really accomplished something. Bravo.
Eat the rich was implied
@@holchan1 only if you're a simpleton.
Jason you kicked butt with this episode!!!! I'm glad to see that your style an attitude are well implemented at Hagerty.
hands down the best episode by far🤩
Cammisa = Ballast…….Randy is a National Treasure🥰
Got the Jag on three wheels, lmao that’s epic.
Really empathized with the overall message, you absolutely nailed the struggle we are all living.
Wow didn't want this one to end. Great writing, great editing, goosebumps everywhere by the finish. Thanks everyone involved, gonna go for a drive now.
Hagerty's videos are next level. And Jason and Randy together are just the best. So glad they landed here at Hagerty.
Love the Z, had a first gen 280z myself that I regret selling. Fast forward a decade later and I just helped my sister pick up her private purchase being a 350z
Here in Denmark the MX-5 is selling incredibly well. I see an ND every day, often multiple times a day. I definitely see MX-5s more often than Jaguars. It always makes me happy when I see that someone didn't buy some dumb SUV or overpowered car and bought a fun little MX-5 in stead.
Good to know, cool little cars , know what you mean , such a good choice
it may have to be because you're heavily taxed on SUV emissions, aren't you ? mind you, the system has gone so crazy now even MX5 are taxed... but the EV Hummer, nope, you can buy a whole fleet of that. Politics...
they did not mind importing the new Z nor the GR86 in Europe. The Supra barely sells. So glad there is still the MX5 !
The Miata (MX-5) is an absolutely wonderful car…the antithesis of the hot hatch. It’s built for the whimsy of motoring with the top down…it’s engaging and relatively cheap in all aspects.
So you should understand that to have a 30~40k toy really is a privilege. SUVs are not dumb, it's just because not everyone can afford the tiny little fun car.
@@chukuolu5146 I put a passenger and two mountain bikes in my Ford Fiesta
But yes it's a Fiesta and not a 2 seater roadster...
I like how the Hagerty's series such as ICONS focus on story telling, knowledge of past, where the industry is heading and most importantly a conclusion. Brilliant video!
Alright, I'll say it now: this is the best Icons episode. You guys have outdone yourselves. Kudos!
Now on the subject of Icons, when are you doing an episode on Jaguar E-Type and it's successor F-Type? You've also touched upon SUVs taking over and also dubbed the Jag F-Pace SVR as the leading fun SUV, so an episode on the Range Rover next perhaps? It's an Icon in the same vein as the Nissan Z, I'd argue.
i bought myself a veloster N simply becasue i like hatchback. they way they look and how they handle is more fun to me than a sedan
Absolutely blew it out of the park with the quality and fun levels of this production! 10/10 car content!
Man this is like way overkill. For the type of money that UA-cam pays successful channels you’d think all of them channels would have content of this quality but nah. Lots of them stick to shaky footage in selfie mode with hardly any editing. This channel however sets a standard that inspires audience and creators alike. Nothing but gratitude for the work you guys do the best 23 mins I spent on the internet today were definitely worth it watching this.
Do you know it was until you said 23 minutes that I realised it was actually 23 minutes.... I couldn't tell, I just kept watching till the last minute. Damn
This has quickly become my favourite car show. So much quality, a dream for car enthusiasts.
Love watching his content! The production value, story telling... all great.
This is so incredible. Thank you for talking about the economic side of this. Also, whoever is writing the closed captions, know that I rewatch videos for them!
PLEASE turn on the subtitles so that whoever wrote them can get the recognition they absolutely earned!
The people don't know what they're missing.
This video hammers in something I've known, intuitively, about the sports car market for years. I can't think of a better way to frame it than this video.
How is this a mere UA-cam video?????? This is cinematic levels of writing and filming on par with top gear's outrageous budget, how have I not come across hagerty's UA-cam channel earlier???
Good Lord Gracious, Jason and the whole team around him are really spreading the love! Everybody in the production chain seems to rev it up to the max, these episodes all so well written, shot, presented, edited, VF/X'ed (not a term, i know), soundmixed - it's pure joy to watch them.
As the proud owner of a 2022 WRX, this video really resonated with me. Had to sell the Corvette to accommodate my young family. I want to drive my fun car everyday to work and row my own gears, so it was the best compromise for me. Miss the corvette but I’m glad I can still have fun and now I get to enjoy smelling the roses with my kids!
Maybe I’m greedy but I want both…but I’m not afraid of used cars
Would have bought a used minivan/Tahoe,suburban,explorer cash price before selling my Vette. Ex wife pulled that with me when we had kids. $750 Ford explorer with ac, put a transmission in it for $400, still got my Camaro lol
As former MKII owner and a current MKIV TT owner, the rear end that you “Don’t fully trust”, is a hallmark of the Supra. I’m so glad they didn’t neuter it.
This! It also drives similar to other Toyota cars like the SW20 MR2!!
@@nf1369
I’ve got one of those, too. The early 1990 build date turbo with the notoriously sketchy rear. I wouldn’t trade it for a 1994+ if you paid money on top. It’s too much fun.
@@negativeindustrial Definitely enjoy those cars forever! They're really fun vehicles!
You can thank bmw I guess 🤷♂️
@@VNCTHE1 Nobody asked. Your joke is lame.
Since old top gear, this channel is amazing
Keep it up
Hh
The planning, the production and the execution ... perfection...i can watch these videos for days
Absolutely floored. First time since old Top Gear that I’ve felt emotional about cars. Thanks Jason and crew
Exactly the same feeling I got. It has that same "Celebration of Motoring" feel that mid 2000s Top Gear had (and Clarkson's documentaries of the 90s). TG (and especially The Grand Tour) evolved to "3 blokes farting around with cars" which is still great, but I miss that older style. These Hagerty guys are crushing it.
Hagerty really went off the charts with their recent uploads! Do keep them coming.
These shows are so well produced, just a joy to watch. Plus beautiful shots of gorgeous cars
The Veloster n is such a great sounding car. I love driving it everyday.
I can't agree with that at all. Quiet, tiny engine noise, fart shifts.
To be fair though, that's most vehicles now.
@@dub537h5 You've never driven a car you must be like 14. Most vehicles do not have a dct transmission, what even is a tiny engine noise that makes no sense lol, and by all means the N is not quiet at all you have no clue what your talking about its one of the only cars that has a loud exhaust and can backfire STOCK for its price. Go read a book or educate yourself everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you just sound clueless dumbass.
@@dub537h5 right lol my STI blows away the noises most cars make now.... outside of supercars
@@suchgr8hieghts uel or el headers?
@@suchgr8hieghts Hahahaha. I'm convinced you Subaru boys live in your own little bubble. I assure most people don't think your car sounds good.
Every time I watch you Jason, i just want to go outside to my TypeR and drive it...and guess what...i am doing it 😂. Thank you man!!! 🙏
Same here! I'm now grab my Banshee and go outside just for the sake of driving and have fun!
Omw to my e350 😂
This is hands down the best car enthusiast channel I’ve come across. Love the videos you guys put together. 👍👍
You guys are taking me down memory lane. Owned a yellow '70 Z, later a blue '02 WRX hatch. Great review, as usual
Great episode all around, as usual!!! Really loved Randy in this though, he stole the show with that “WRX, birches” comment 😂😂. Literally LOL’d hard at that.
Yup, that and him revving away at the beginning of the shot totally caught me off guard.
@@NERGYStudios haha yeah! His behaviour throughout, plus the sunglasses, kinda reminds me of “fuckboy Randy”. It was hilarious.
The production value on Hagerty videos are unmatched.
I just found this channel and it is unbelievably amazing, I'm not a car guy but how you deliver the information is so addictive, love it!
So glad I found this channel. Fantastic content! Closet thing I've found to fill the Top Gear void IMO. Great cinematography, presenters, pacing, music, everything.
My thought exactly.
Where else can you go to get an economics lesson while enjoying creative and engaging automotive content? The best around. Keep up the good work.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I maintain that the 240Z did not redefine what a sports car was. Instead, the 240Z showed people just how awesome an affordable GT could be. The Z is, and always has been, a GT - just as with its competitor back in the day, the MGB GT. From Car and Driver's 1970 240Z road test: "The people at Datsun balk at calling the 240Z a sports car. To them it's a "personal" GT car". It really doesn't get any more clear than that.
The people who weren't comfortable with calling the 240Z a GT were the buyers. For most, it just sounds cooler to say that they own a sports car - even if it isn't. This is not unlike obese individuals who refer to themselves as somewhat overweight as it serves to reframe reality to meet their needs. I get the aversion to being considered fat (though it doesn't how you phrase it), but since when did owning a GT car become an embarrassment? Another step away from reality is viewing things like infotainment systems and piped in fake engine noises as anything other than gimmicks. These things have no place in a sports car (or any car that some want to call timeless for that matter). But let's face it, the bottom line is that car buyers today want their gimmicks. Regardless of what people want to call today's cars, sports cars are basically relics of the past and have fared about as well as motorcycles with buyers in this country for many of the same reasons.
Car marketers would have been fools not to eventually pick up on this insecurity that exists among the car buying public. Thus, as the 70's came and went and time moved forward, there was seemingly no limits with regards to what was referred to as a sports car. Of course for many decades now marketers have also been very keen to include the word "sport" no matter what. In reality, genuine purpose built sports cars have always been made for a very small minority of new car buyers and there is almost no demand for them among new car buyers today. This is not unlike motorcycles, because as with genuine sports cars, they appeal to an incredibly small portion of the population here in the States due to the fact that neither one is considered practical in general terms.
The irony is that GT's typically represented a rung up on the pricing ladder compared to sports cars which tended to be more basic in nature. It's a shame because I can't recall anyone implying that GT's weren't fun to drive or capable of very serious levels of performance. Were I to have the extra garage space and money, I would love to own a 240Z and would be more than proud referring to it as one of the truly legendary GT's of all time. Nomenclature aside, a good follow up article to this one might be titled "Why has the grand touring car become so damned in the minds of America's car buying public?" Who knows, at the root of such an article might very well be the introduction of the 240Z.
One other factor to consider is just how much money people budget for things that never entered into the equation back when the 240Z hit the market. Nowadays a car purchase has to compete for a share of the budget with devices like large screen TV's, computers, tablets, smartphones, etc. (and often multiples of these things that are replaced quite frequently). Add to this the subscription services needed to keep those devices viable. It's not enough to have these things available to us when we're not out driving, people these days want much of this functionality included in their vehicles even though it has nothing to do with driving itself. The cost of these devices along with the subscription fees definitely add up, and for many people that alone might represent enough to buy and insure an actual sports car in addition to their daily driver. In addition, were the car manufacturers to axe such gimmicks, they could no doubt lower the price of their cars by a significant amount. But as the world changes, so do people's priorities. Actual purpose built sports cars simply don't fit in with those priorities these days, and they haven't for some time now. This video does a very good job of explaining why.
Such a great video.
No one does the intersection of cars, culture, and economics better than Jason.
This video is still beautiful, 1 year after its publication. Perfect blend of story telling, old top gear fun, petrolhead culture.
That Z has such a classy line! If I had the money I'd definitely get one
That was the best Icons episode yet!
Loved the narrative throughline, and of course, the cars involved. Very well thought out, Cammisa. All it was missing was a Hyphen cameo.
The ending does hit when every other week you're told "this is how great a driving experience can be" and a few sentences later "here's why it's not gonna happen ever again"
I hate this end of combustion engine crap because it's just a reminder that the best times are behind us if the electric future is what's waiting for us on the other side.
Every single performance car is said to be the last pure one, the last M2 in particular has had its headlines be heavily thrown towards the "it's the last one" than "a new one is coming out"
I can't be the only one tired of that. I hope the Z sells a bit so we have a few left to go around for 10 years down the line when the music's over.
Currently, I'm just hoping the record doesn't stop...because it will....
...and we can't seem to out run that.
Now is the time to be picking up the gas car you want to ride into the sunset with. I just bought an ND miata. Time for all the homies to grab one while they're still around
The electric cars will never be the future and it is explained by the Rivian CEO “Put very simply, all the world’s cell production combined represents well under 10% of what we will need in 10 years,” Scaringe told reporters, according to the WSJ. “Meaning, 90% to 95% of the supply chain does not exist."
That is why I don't buy all this "ICE engines will be gone" crap.
Petrospect - listen to me very very very carefully - Every time you spend money at big corporations that are WEF members = you're contributing to the problem. That's where all of this is coming from. It's just another scam, and the end result will be = > cost of driving with higher electric/utility costs to "fund upgrades" and with lithium scarcity, it's impossible for "everyone" to buy electric.
So Here is what it's ACTUALLY about - Wealth transfer, using yet another existential "crisis" as an excuse. Their sales pitch is comical too: "You're all going to die!! unless you do _____"... and people fall for it!!!! I still see people wearing masks, yet, if you bring up that there's HUNDREDS of studies illustrating they're pointless = blank stares/you're ____ ist (whatever "ist" is "in" that week/ spin the wheel...).
So as usual the winners will be:
1) Big DADDY Gov't (yes, all caps are needed!)
2) Big Corporations and to sociopathic loser "executives" that loves Federal Reserve funded stock buyback schemes and they'll game the ESG scoring model even MORE than their gov't/corporate insider trading games. Every single corporation rewards sociopaths, psychopaths, and narcissists. You'll never ever ever ever see someone "doing the right thing" move to the top of any organization.
3) It's one big game of Monopoly - everything you see/hear on the CORPORATE news media is all a distraction so, you're busy being "outraged" - the big corporations are busy hashing out who gets what in terms of resources left on the planet. The WEF is something you should really look into. The more you look into it, the more you'll start to make all of the connections, not only between corporations and big DADDY gov't (no, all caps NEVER gets old to me! haha), but also NGO's, the CDC, and WHO...... And for bonus points if you're not depressed enough: Look at the BIS (Bank of International settlements) and the IMF (International monetary fund). You see - most people won't read "new" information, as they have been TRAINED to have an attention span of 0.00001 seconds. That's what IG "Reelz" and TikTok are all about... turn humans into Pavlovian dopamine hamsters while the real sociopaths are 5-8 chess moves ahead.
** and no "Not all" executives are "sociopaths" but... listen... I can easily, much faster than most people in public can even imagine! see around the stupid smile, fake platitudes, excessive preposition use, and identify and connect real motives of most of them. They're simply sellouts with zero moral calling... this is why they invest MILLIONS in all these life extension ventures of various sorts.. it's an existential crisis when you sell your soul...
There's PLENTY of oil, and YES, the climate IS "changing" but, it's always has been. I can easily debate both sides. The bottom line is that the top 0.0001% nolonger need a "working class" and they want the planet as their personal playground. That's why supply chains are being purposely crushed. They have to make as much marginal profit before the currency collapses and then they bring in the next scam fiat: Fedcoin/CBDC...
@@jeffoa2319 Indeed. It's the reason I decided to pick up my Supra this year and not wait.
What an amazing production. Thank you folks for making an average enthusiasts whole weekend. Jason and Randy are hero's. It's refreshing to have these vehicles discussed from an economic perspective. Thank you all.
My life got better since i discovered this channel and met Jason Cammisa
This level of production is outstanding, keep it up guys!
Properly rendered to 21:9, amazing content with great watching experience, only one of the few channels left not to letterbox their cinematic footage, good job.
This was ur best video by far, really enjoyed it. From the Bob Ross thing to the fact that u r spot on when u said “ having fun on the way to work will never go out of style”.
Yutaka Katayama, “Father of the Datsun Z,” was virulently opposed to the name "Fairlady" on cars sold in the US. He objected, his boss decided he was crazy, so when the first shipment arrived in the US, he rushed down to meet the ship and personally took off all the name plates and replaced them with "240Z."
This is why I fell in love with cars watching Jason through this episode my mind went to Clarkson on Top gear... this is automotive journalism at its very sexual BEST... keep up the good work Jason!
The moment the drag race video appears and then the revelations with the 240z. I immediately know that we are getting an Icons episode on the new Z. And it's worth the wait
Hagerty and Jason are hitting old Top Gear level road test review. Love this content.
The BMW Zupra is a great numbers car, the Nissan Z is a great drivers car, especially once you take the price difference between the two and throw in some SPL Parts goodies!
Great video as always but this one felt special to me. My first two cars in order were a 1979 280zx and a 1976 280z. I really like the new Z for many reason and nostalgia being a big one. However when it came down to buying my next sports car the Z didn’t make the cut. My 1979 280zx weighed in the ballpark of 2,800lbs so the new Z weighing 800lbs more just didn’t feel right. For me a sports car is not about power, it is more about the lack of weight.
I set out and tested many sports cars, sport hatch, sport sedan and one came away a clear winner.
Here is my list of cars I have driven while weighing my decision. 2017 Cayman 2.0L, 2021 Supra 3.0L, 2022 C8, 2019 Type R, 2015 STI, 2022 GR86, 2022 RF Miata, 2017 Camaro, 2015 Cayman GTS, 2009 Si, 2014 Si, 350z, 370z, g35, 2013 Miata, 2002 Miata, 2010 C6, 2015 Mustang, 2011 Mustang, 2005 Mustang, 2000 Mustang, 2002 Camaro, 2011 Camaro, 2012 Charger, 2017 86, 2009 Challenger, 2004 eclipse, 2019 model 3 performance, 2002 mr2, 2019 2.0L Accord, 2017 Accord sport, 2004 rsx, 2006 tsx, 2005 tl, 2013 frs, 2008 GS350, 2007 Lexus is250, 2010 Lexus is350, 2009 EVO, 2008 rx8, s2000, 2007 gti, and many more.
The winner based on these criteria. Lightweight, affordable, front engine rwd, 2+2 configuration, fuel efficient, fun to drive, and looks beautiful.
The choice was easy….
2022
Neptune Blue
GR86
It was like a movie experience
Excellent work on editing,sound effect(especially car sounds) and many more 🔥
wow, I'm genuinely impressed by the content, narrative, camera angle, production crew, and delivery. one of the best videos to come out from you guys yet!
Kudos to you guys. Such a genius production for 0$.. Love the work you do, keep on!