At first I was upset that the G2 was like 9 but after seeing the top 3 it made sense😂. I literally felt so bad about a guy that had a force at a boat ramp I took him fishing. I knew they’d never get to go fishing otherwise 😩
Actually i love my 98 50hp fuel2noise converter Fires up everytime, never let me down. Last week someone asked if it was on fire…. No one longer appreciates the smell of a 1:50 twosmoke anymore 🤷♂️
My Dad bought a 1979 Mercury 140 tower of power. I was nine at the time. I have been running that same outboard up until two years ago. ( I’m now 52). That motor ran as smooth as a baby’s butt. Never had a issue.
That’s funny my dad bought 2 of them a 90 and a 115 in 75 the wire harness corroded out and the ignition took a crap on the 115 and can’t get parts is what I was told. They ran great. Any suggestions on a 115 replacement
@@slowscout if you are on Facebook there is page for the power of tower and has great information for parts. There is also aftermarket companies making all of the ignition components
Funny thing is my trusty 96 Starcraft tin dinker has 50 force. Yeah it smokes a little, yeah every 3-5 trips I got adjusted the idler. But that little 50 has been through hell with me. Hitting cypress knees, rocks, hitting stuff in the marsh. Yet I have not bring into a shop get motor work done to it, 26 years still running lol. I think I got 1 out of billion that wasn’t a bad one 😂.
@kwd1253 I don't know if you had that one in a billion one or not but if any motor is junk it's because of lack of care, maintenance, fuel mixture mistakes, etc. The theory of a 2- strokes operation is the same principle across the entire spectrum
I have a1986 Force 125, and a 1985 85hp and both run great never an issue maybe I'm just luckey.. But I believe it is the owners that make a good motor as most people just park them in the off season, and never matenance then as they should. After nearly fourty years the compression on both of mine is still 145+ on all clynders.
My uncle had a Johnson fast strike that was in the shop more than on the water. I’m sure by the numbers OMC made a decent motor, but we never had luck with them.
Haha..the "Tower of Power". We had one when I was a kid and there was always SOMETHING you had to phuck with to get it to run right and when I was, it went through gas like you were pouring it overboard. Replaced that with a (then new) 150hp Merc Black Maxx and wish to God i still had it. People got into trouble when they'd either forget to refill the oil injection tank or if the oil injection system had an issue, but if properly maintained, that was the best bass boat engine I ever ran
I know a guy that had a Fitch…. It was a good thing he put a brand new trolling motor on that boat, he put more hours on the trolling motor then the outboard that thing left him stranded everywhere haha
Carburetor for four-stroke Mercury is because they're using ethanol gas if they use non ethanol and put a little seafoam in each fill-up you never have a problem
My 97 force 40hp has been reliable as hell for over a decade. Not the smoothest but it idles good and the only thing I ever had to do besides maintenance is a starter. I have not been easy on it and it still hauls but. Maybe I just got really lucky.
@jacklucy2 exactly 💯! This is just pure high-school rhetoric!! Nothing at all wrong with Chrysler and Force outboards! Except for maybe the mechanic that has a pre-supposed opinion!
I got a 98 ficht 150 with 890 hrs and still runs great, very dependable motor as long as it had the recall. Pin it and trim it. Wished 2 strokes was still manufactured
We bought our Suzuki when Covid was just getting started. (we weren't even wearing masks yet) so hopefully we are safe. Carburetors are great for engines that are used regularly, but on outboards that sit or troll a lot, over time they just lose their tune and don't work right. I see small boats with electric trolling motors all the time simply for the reason that their trusty old carburetor outboards just don't troll right anymore. My marine mechanic has the Merc Opti max on his list as well. Good video by the way.
Most of the Force failures were from people running bad gas or cheap oil, the people that bought them weren’t seasoned boaters and didn’t know how to take care of them. As shown in these other comments, people that actually take care of them properly have good luck with them.
Exactly 💯!! And I would say this is true with all outboards. People that put an outboard away for the season without Fogging it or draining the carburetor and using any remaining fuel for the snowblower shouldn't even own an outboard!! Lol 💸 😅
I had a stack of evy's and john's through the 70s, 80s and 90s, and they never let me down. The old motors were made to last. I would not buy a new outboard these days.
I had a force 125, late 80’s, most reliable outboard I ever owned. Maybe I just got lucky. I had a Johnson 65hp before and that force ran so much smoother with much less vibration. But knowing they are prone to issues I won’t get another. I don’t buy new outboards for several reasons, they are all crap, they are all priced way higher than they should be, they all rely too heavily on electronics. I have my favorites, old evinrude/ Johnson, smaller mercury’s, and for stern drive mercruiser alpha 1 with a Chevy small block.
I still wake up at night in a cold sweat and run to the garage and make sure there's not a blue motor on the back of my boat. The Evinrude Ficht stranded me way too many times to count after I bought it new in 2000.
Had a OMC Johnson gt 175 with the direct injection oil pump. Popped the heads every time due to lack of oil. Then started putting oil in the gas tank. Last longer, but pop goes the weasel. Replaced it with a 175 merc efi.
I was a Sears tech for 20 years.The models with tecumseh powerheads were nothing much more than a lawnmower engine under the cowling(ignition timing and carb were slightly different.They had many issues. I do remember Sears had other manufacturers too with issues but We had a couple models with a Japanese powerhead.We had dozens here in south florida getting run hard in salt water,ran great with no abnormal/early failures.
I think I have the only good running Ficht. I bought the boat in 2011 and was told my engine was going to blow up soon. It is a 2001 135hp V6. I have had my issues, but it still runs strong due to my great mechanic and regular maintenance.
I had a 115hp mariner tower of power and these motor had a sick personality. It would get you out to the middle of the lake and then never start back up. The trolling motor became the primary engine. Smartest thing i ever did was unfiltered from my awesome tidecraft and sell it on Facebook market place. I seriously thought I was gonna have to sell it for scrap metal weight but the Lord put it someone's hands.
I have a 90 force ,some guy ran into it and smashed the cover on this motor it was punished all over the lake .but it is sad we tried to get the bottom gear case redone and no dice ,they stopped making parts for it and if I found parts they were over priced bad .just a rare motor that never blew up and was awsome I call it the lotto motor 1 in a million. Lol
I have about 3k for an outboard motor and currently I have 2 options… 1. 1996 Johnson 175hp 2. 1995 Merc 2.0/150 hp. 3. Other suggestions/places to find good cheap used outboards.
So you say forces are absolute garbage. I assume your talking about the Chrysler ones, but what about the mercury forces. Or are they the same motors? I just got a boat with a 75 mercury force. It sat for 8 years. Fresh gas and battery and it runs, but not well. The boat is in immaculate shape, but the motor is less than to be desired in my opinion.
Ran a 1999 40hp Merc 4 stroke and those carbs were horrible! I rebuilt them several times and once parts on the acc pumps broke you were screwed. Had some one off shit that wouldn't cross over to the yamaha's. I currently run a Ficht (DI) and find it to be less problematic than the optimax proXS engines I've owned and far less maintenance.
I heard you talk about the number one fast boat in your opinion it was a champion 203 I like to get your opinion on a '98 champion 202 are they about the same in your opinion just one inch difference in length is the rest of the boat in your opinion the same thanks JT from Virginia
I got an old aluminum bass boat im restoring it came with a 80s evinrude 28 spl on it how were they and what kind of problems can I expect from it would i even be able to get parts if i need to make repairs to it or would i be better off to just repower it
My aluminum bass boat is running a 120 FORCE, but it's from when it was owned by merc. My experience hasn't been 100% its needed plugs, impeller, carbs kits, starter, thermostat, and 2 reed plates in the 2 yrs that I've owned it. But it has also run pretty well the last 2 yrs, only causing minor problems. I wouldn't say it's been awesome, but it hasn't popped or left me stuck somewhere, so I can't really complain too much. At least I can still get parts and wrench on it myself... id love to replace it w a 115-150 zuk yami or merc, but when it's running like it has been it's hard to spend 15gs.
I have a ‘98 120 Force. The carbs aren’t the greatest, but it runs great and is easy to tune for maintenance. I think they were decent for their time. Not overly complicated outboards.
Not going to sit here and take up for force. But I have a 96 model 90 hp on an aluminum boat that is still running like a top today. Don't know how or why, just knocking on some wood.
@@user-ym9wb2mk5e the 98 Force is the best Chrysler 4 cylinder ever! Upgraded crank, big ends, combustion chambers, ignition. I am currently buildng a ported (ports pistons sleeve trenches) one ( Wiseco pistons) with large OMC twin throat carbs and Chrysler Hydroflow LU. Aiming for 6800 rpm (Avgas).
Force gets a bad rap but when you talk with people who own them... who understands maintanance, people seem to like them. I still have a 150hp on my boat, they are easier to work on than other models, i finally rebuilt mine after 30 years of service. I can still find parts.
I agree man using my son's account for this but I got my grandfather's boat said he's never fixed anything on his 85hp Force we have it today I replaced the impeller just because a few years ago but not issues at all with the force 85hp anything I should look out for
The gamefisher Outboard. My dad had 2 two or three or them. Man he would get them running awesome. Go speck fishing 30-45 min later paddle back that was early the eary80s A 10hp Honda fixed the issue
Just wanted to add to #1 - Force Outboards. I had a maintenance guy (former Mercury engineer), who had to rebuild a lot of Force outboards. He would literally be in tears when someone asked him to rebuild their outboard because it's all they could afford. Here's how the pistons/pins/connecting rods get assembled: Put pistons in oven at 350 degrees for (x) minutes while wrist pins go in the freezer. Then assemble with a press, and you only have a limited amount of time to get it together before the parts expand/contract. There's no clip that holds the wrist pin in place. It's all pressed together.
Yeah,, I have several under my belt and all had clips holding the wristpins so i have no idea what motor your speaking of.. And the method you speak of is called shrink or press fit and its a durable practice in many engines. AND TMS you should know better if your a tech. Just saying
Used to own a 1989 85 force which actually ran good for many years then it overheated and took a shit. Rebuilt it 3 fucking times in 4 years with nothing but problems in between till it blew up the 3rd time then junk the boat and motor and got a different boat with a 60hp Mercury 4 stroke that I haven’t had a single issue with it thank god.
Have a 92’ 150 FS I just picked up on a 91 Ranger 361v. Vro was missing. Easiest carbs I’ve had to rebuild. Was worried about plastic carbs, but none are warped or leaking! Win!
Enjoy your videos .keep them coming ! I have a question ... I have a 2005 Suzuki DF 115 I got it usead whit a boat and i want to know if its anyway to find out the nr of houres and how , thank you !
@@TeamMarineService I think early to mid 90’s , it’s on a vanguard boat , I’m not sure but I thought possibly 1994 , just looking at the boat , doing research as best I know how.
445 hours on my 1996 Force 75hp. Refuse to get rid of because of its reliability. Some Force might be junk. Not all Force are junk. Just like every other industry, there are bad years for companies.
I am a new boater just bought a 2021 ranger alum rt178 it has a merc 60 on it does this motor have carbs? I know that’s a silly question but I honestly do not know lol
I’ve had a 99 force 50 for years on my river boat with not a single issue I guess I got lucky and got one of the only good ones lol I might better knock on wood
You may have seen a lot of service just due to the shear volume the company put out. I remember how large a brand Bayliner and Force were in their hay days. Every boat show, every marina, boat store sold them. They had large marketing budgets as well. Mass produced and affordable outboards and boats…..it was a very popular brand at one time.
Yep , forces suck! Olympic boat centers here in western states( they are gone now) used to just swap motors and not even repair them they were so bad and also cheap! Lol
Tower of power were great motors and have you ever worked on a oxe diesel that should be #1 also were was the yamaha f350 pos all verados up to 2018 were terrible
I had one of those Suzukis and ran it until I was tired of looking at it. I sold it and bought a new mercury optipop and that's what it did. I missed that Suzuki
Never owned one but everyone always brought their pos Chryslers to me. Never worked on them much pulled plugs compression test tell them sorry but i have a motor for sale lol
A double of observations. In the various over/under reviews, just watched the Mercury Pro XS 250 vs the Suzuki ss 250 and some other variables that you hardly ever mentions is: Availability of dealers, cost of the outboard and how the outboard Brand affects resale value.
Fair questions...we all know Merc's dealer network is larger overall but give Suzuki sometime to catch up. The cost all boils down to what the dealer mark up is. We know the price we get them for and the price we sell them for. Resale value is all based on what the next buyer will pay...some will pay more for a Merc, some more for a Yamaha, some more for a Suzuki...hell some people will pay more for a used Honda!
Ran a 5 hp and 15 hp Tohstsu/Nissan outboard on my flat bottoms I run in the bayous. Good little outboards! One I sold to a guy who used it to evacuate ppl in Houston during Harvey. He said it never has given him any issues.
Add to the list 2018 Mercury outboards 40 hp to 60 hp. These things are poorly made in china ??!! THEY ARE JUNK !!! I went to change lower unit oil last fall and it was filled with water. JUNK !!!
At first I was upset that the G2 was like 9 but after seeing the top 3 it made sense😂. I literally felt so bad about a guy that had a force at a boat ramp I took him fishing. I knew they’d never get to go fishing otherwise 😩
The G2 had to make the list because it killed Evinrude. We also personally hated working on them!
Actually i love my 98 50hp fuel2noise converter
Fires up everytime, never let me down. Last week someone asked if it was on fire…. No one longer appreciates the smell of a 1:50 twosmoke anymore 🤷♂️
@@RHaarFlyup I mix it heavy to keep away the chatty Cathy’s
I had a 70hp Force.she ran great.just had to change plugs every 6 months..😮
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My Dad bought a 1979 Mercury 140 tower of power. I was nine at the time. I have been running that same outboard up until two years ago. ( I’m now 52). That motor ran as smooth as a baby’s butt. Never had a issue.
That's awesome Chuck!!!
That’s funny my dad bought 2 of them a 90 and a 115 in 75 the wire harness corroded out and the ignition took a crap on the 115 and can’t get parts is what I was told. They ran great. Any suggestions on a 115 replacement
@@slowscout if you are on Facebook there is page for the power of tower and has great information for parts. There is also aftermarket companies making all of the ignition components
Comment below of if you've ran any of these outboards and what your experience was like.
Funny thing is my trusty 96 Starcraft tin dinker has 50 force. Yeah it smokes a little, yeah every 3-5 trips I got adjusted the idler. But that little 50 has been through hell with me. Hitting cypress knees, rocks, hitting stuff in the marsh. Yet I have not bring into a shop get motor work done to it, 26 years still running lol. I think I got 1 out of billion that wasn’t a bad one 😂.
I had a 1999 200hp Evenrude ficht that ran good. I must of been lucky
I had a Chrysler, it ran great for a year. Then it wouldn’t stay wot. Sold entire boat
@@aaronz942So, you run a motor for a year and don't expect to have any maintenance or carburetor adjustment to look into?
@kwd1253 I don't know if you had that one in a billion one or not but if any motor is junk it's because of lack of care, maintenance, fuel mixture mistakes, etc. The theory of a 2- strokes operation is the same principle across the entire spectrum
I have a1986 Force 125, and a 1985 85hp and both run great never an issue maybe I'm just luckey.. But I believe it is the owners that make a good motor as most people just park them in the off season, and never matenance then as they should. After nearly fourty years the compression on both of mine is still 145+ on all clynders.
Exactly 💯!! This guy even thinks Sears actually made things, like outboards!! His list is ridiculously biased
Sears never made a single thing they sold!
Best quote, "There was one out of....there's one that ran good, I think."
Haha we remember it. Miraculous!
@@TeamMarineService I have a force 40 and it runs not the best but it runs lol
My uncle had a Johnson fast strike that was in the shop more than on the water. I’m sure by the numbers OMC made a decent motor, but we never had luck with them.
may the force be with you and never behind you
Haha..the "Tower of Power". We had one when I was a kid and there was always SOMETHING you had to phuck with to get it to run right and when I was, it went through gas like you were pouring it overboard. Replaced that with a (then new) 150hp Merc Black Maxx and wish to God i still had it. People got into trouble when they'd either forget to refill the oil injection tank or if the oil injection system had an issue, but if properly maintained, that was the best bass boat engine I ever ran
I know a guy that had a Fitch…. It was a good thing he put a brand new trolling motor on that boat, he put more hours on the trolling motor then the outboard that thing left him stranded everywhere haha
Oh man, no good!!!
Worst part is he bought another boat with a Evinrude..
Carburetor for four-stroke Mercury is because they're using ethanol gas if they use non ethanol and put a little seafoam in each fill-up you never have a problem
I had a tower of power 150 and that thing was a tank!!! Loved it!! Just so loyal!!! Every time I hit the key that motor with fire and run!
Agreed great engine! love my 1150!!
My 97 force 40hp has been reliable as hell for over a decade. Not the smoothest but it idles good and the only thing I ever had to do besides maintenance is a starter. I have not been easy on it and it still hauls but. Maybe I just got really lucky.
I had the Force 40hp 1994 model. It only needed sparkplugs about once a year. Never had any other problem with it. Sold in 2000.
I love Force Outboards!!! Haha
Lies! lol
@@Ace228 Pure Garbage!
I had a 50 for 10 plus years and a Chrysler…never had an issue.
@jacklucy2 exactly 💯! This is just pure high-school rhetoric!! Nothing at all wrong with Chrysler and Force outboards! Except for maybe the mechanic that has a pre-supposed opinion!
I got a 98 ficht 150 with 890 hrs and still runs great, very dependable motor as long as it had the recall. Pin it and trim it. Wished 2 strokes was still manufactured
You are the rare exception to this show
We bought our Suzuki when Covid was just getting started. (we weren't even wearing masks yet) so hopefully we are safe. Carburetors are great for engines that are used regularly, but on outboards that sit or troll a lot, over time they just lose their tune and don't work right. I see small boats with electric trolling motors all the time simply for the reason that their trusty old carburetor outboards just don't troll right anymore.
My marine mechanic has the Merc Opti max on his list as well. Good video by the way.
Most of the Force failures were from people running bad gas or cheap oil, the people that bought them weren’t seasoned boaters and didn’t know how to take care of them. As shown in these other comments, people that actually take care of them properly have good luck with them.
Exactly 💯!! And I would say this is true with all outboards. People that put an outboard away for the season without Fogging it or draining the carburetor and using any remaining fuel for the snowblower shouldn't even own an outboard!! Lol 💸 😅
I had a stack of evy's and john's through the 70s, 80s and 90s, and they never let me down. The old motors were made to last. I would not buy a new outboard these days.
I had a Tracker motor I was told was a Force. Could never keep it running. I am glad that was #1
I had a force 125, late 80’s, most reliable outboard I ever owned. Maybe I just got lucky. I had a Johnson 65hp before and that force ran so much smoother with much less vibration. But knowing they are prone to issues I won’t get another. I don’t buy new outboards for several reasons, they are all crap, they are all priced way higher than they should be, they all rely too heavily on electronics. I have my favorites, old evinrude/ Johnson, smaller mercury’s, and for stern drive mercruiser alpha 1 with a Chevy small block.
Got my 20hp merc 4 stroke since 2008, never ever had a problem. Gets abused beyond hell, never missed a beat!
On the DT Suzukis the lowers all split at the bearing carrier. I've never seen a 115/140/150 without a cracked lower here in MD.
I still wake up at night in a cold sweat and run to the garage and make sure there's not a blue motor on the back of my boat.
The Evinrude Ficht stranded me way too many times to count after I bought it new in 2000.
Had a OMC Johnson gt 175 with the direct injection oil pump. Popped the heads every time due to lack of oil. Then started putting oil in the gas tank. Last longer, but pop goes the weasel. Replaced it with a 175 merc efi.
GT stood for Get Tools!
Lol
Came here for Force. Did not disappoint.
HAHAHA
My F25 yam with carb still runs perfect. Starts every time and does sit a lot cause I only like nice weather boating. Had it over 20 yrs now.
Every single Chrysler I've owned has been awesome. I own a 55 and a 45 now and to this day not a problem ever
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I was a Sears tech for 20 years.The models with tecumseh powerheads were nothing much more than a lawnmower engine under the cowling(ignition timing and carb were slightly different.They had many issues. I do remember Sears had other manufacturers too with issues but We had a couple models with a Japanese powerhead.We had dozens here in south florida getting run hard in salt water,ran great with no abnormal/early failures.
I think I have the only good running Ficht. I bought the boat in 2011 and was told my engine was going to blow up soon. It is a 2001 135hp V6. I have had my issues, but it still runs strong due to my great mechanic and regular maintenance.
I had a 115hp mariner tower of power and these motor had a sick personality. It would get you out to the middle of the lake and then never start back up. The trolling motor became the primary engine. Smartest thing i ever did was unfiltered from my awesome tidecraft and sell it on Facebook market place. I seriously thought I was gonna have to sell it for scrap metal weight but the Lord put it someone's hands.
IIRC, some Force outboards used cast pistons. Ours was terrible. It never ran well. Oil was always meticulously mixed and pistons actually melted.
I have a 90 force ,some guy ran into it and smashed the cover on this motor it was punished all over the lake .but it is sad we tried to get the bottom gear case redone and no dice ,they stopped making parts for it and if I found parts they were over priced bad .just a rare motor that never blew up and was awsome I call it the lotto motor 1 in a million. Lol
I have about 3k for an outboard motor and currently I have 2 options… 1. 1996 Johnson 175hp 2. 1995 Merc 2.0/150 hp. 3. Other suggestions/places to find good cheap used outboards.
My dad bought a boat with a Chrysler 70hp I think like 22 years ago and we sure were glade to see that thing go
So you say forces are absolute garbage. I assume your talking about the Chrysler ones, but what about the mercury forces. Or are they the same motors? I just got a boat with a 75 mercury force. It sat for 8 years. Fresh gas and battery and it runs, but not well. The boat is in immaculate shape, but the motor is less than to be desired in my opinion.
Think of the Chrysler Forces as a F on a test. Mercury Forces are a D
Ran a 1999 40hp Merc 4 stroke and those carbs were horrible! I rebuilt them several times and once parts on the acc pumps broke you were screwed. Had some one off shit that wouldn't cross over to the yamaha's. I currently run a Ficht (DI) and find it to be less problematic than the optimax proXS engines I've owned and far less maintenance.
You know the pain! How many hours are on your ficht Joe?
I had a 1989 Force 85 and it worked perfectly all the time! (But only in reverse and I, to this day cannot fathom why that was)
trolling Lake Erie wallyes with merc io
johnson was my go to perfect kicker motor never let me down
but the 2stroke she liked was mercury oil
Best top 10 i ever seen 😂😂😂😂....i threw a 10hp Chrysler in the river & paddle to the bank...i have a 1979 mercury 20hp awesome motor...🇺🇲
I heard you talk about the number one fast boat in your opinion it was a champion 203 I like to get your opinion on a '98 champion 202 are they about the same in your opinion just one inch difference in length is the rest of the boat in your opinion the same thanks JT from Virginia
What’s do u guys think about the 90’s model merc 2 stroke EFI’s?
Good or bad?
Good for the most part
I got an old aluminum bass boat im restoring it came with a 80s evinrude 28 spl on it how were they and what kind of problems can I expect from it would i even be able to get parts if i need to make repairs to it or would i be better off to just repower it
I got this feeling BRP dumped Evinrude to work on building electric motors they picked up a few boat brands , so we will see.
Yes we think the same thing!
My aluminum bass boat is running a 120 FORCE, but it's from when it was owned by merc. My experience hasn't been 100% its needed plugs, impeller, carbs kits, starter, thermostat, and 2 reed plates in the 2 yrs that I've owned it. But it has also run pretty well the last 2 yrs, only causing minor problems. I wouldn't say it's been awesome, but it hasn't popped or left me stuck somewhere, so I can't really complain too much. At least I can still get parts and wrench on it myself... id love to replace it w a 115-150 zuk yami or merc, but when it's running like it has been it's hard to spend 15gs.
I have a ‘98 120 Force. The carbs aren’t the greatest, but it runs great and is easy to tune for maintenance. I think they were decent for their time. Not overly complicated outboards.
Not going to sit here and take up for force. But I have a 96 model 90 hp on an aluminum boat that is still running like a top today. Don't know how or why, just knocking on some wood.
The old gray Mariner engines didn’t make the list? I live in coastal Florida and growing up those were in every shop getting fixed
There we so many that could have made the honorable mention list!
Team marine, didn't mercury acquire the force outboard line later on towards the end?
Yes
When I order parts, for my 98 120 hp, it’s all Merc made or Sierra cross referencing numbers.
@@user-ym9wb2mk5e the 98 Force is the best Chrysler 4 cylinder ever! Upgraded crank, big ends, combustion chambers, ignition. I am currently buildng a ported (ports pistons sleeve trenches) one ( Wiseco pistons) with large OMC twin throat carbs and Chrysler Hydroflow LU. Aiming for 6800 rpm (Avgas).
Hope to see a top 10 best outboards soon
Next week! 👍🏻👍🏻
Our first boat had a Chrysler. Ran great if you could get it to start.
I had a game Fisher 5hp .ran the hell out of it..super reliable
Force gets a bad rap but when you talk with people who own them... who understands maintanance, people seem to like them. I still have a 150hp on my boat, they are easier to work on than other models, i finally rebuilt mine after 30 years of service. I can still find parts.
I have an 85hp force and its from 1989 and it still runs great idk what this guy is talking about
Hey Victor you got a good one buddy! Heck yeah!!
Gues i did 👍
I agree man using my son's account for this but I got my grandfather's boat said he's never fixed anything on his 85hp Force we have it today I replaced the impeller just because a few years ago but not issues at all with the force 85hp anything I should look out for
I have the one that runs good lol 1996 force120 by mercury still fishing tournaments weekly
I had the carb 9.9 mercury 4 stroke.. bad fuel pump and carb rebuilds every year. Now i got a yamaha 150 sho covid motor.
I have a 1997 force 90hp I run at least every couple weeks and it hasn’t left me stranded. Waiting on it to sling a rod
my 1966 100 mercury on my glen l ski boat still runs great
The gamefisher Outboard. My dad had 2 two or three or them. Man he would get them running awesome. Go speck fishing 30-45 min later paddle back that was early the eary80s A 10hp Honda fixed the issue
Just wanted to add to #1 - Force Outboards. I had a maintenance guy (former Mercury engineer), who had to rebuild a lot of Force outboards. He would literally be in tears when someone asked him to rebuild their outboard because it's all they could afford. Here's how the pistons/pins/connecting rods get assembled:
Put pistons in oven at 350 degrees for (x) minutes while wrist pins go in the freezer. Then assemble with a press, and you only have a limited amount of time to get it together before the parts expand/contract. There's no clip that holds the wrist pin in place. It's all pressed together.
🤣🤣 OMG! That's just crazy!
Yeah,, I have several under my belt and all had clips holding the wristpins so i have no idea what motor your speaking of.. And the method you speak of is called shrink or press fit and its a durable practice in many engines. AND TMS you should know better if your a tech. Just saying
@@gatorsaw3315 Did you not read my post? My friend (who was an engineer for Mercury Marine) rebuilt these outboards.
Used to own a 1989 85 force which actually ran good for many years then it overheated and took a shit. Rebuilt it 3 fucking times in 4 years with nothing but problems in between till it blew up the 3rd time then junk the boat and motor and got a different boat with a 60hp Mercury 4 stroke that I haven’t had a single issue with it thank god.
There should be a special place in hell for the Force l-drive. This was covered with your #1 selection, but the l-drive was something special.
I am considering a 2015 Glastron gts160 with a Evinrude etec 115, 233 hours & good compression. What do you think? Thanks in advance for your input.
Still waiting...
Evinrude intruder. And johnson fast strike...had 6...great engine.. but only kept them for 2 years .
Back in their days they were good motors.
Have a 92’ 150 FS I just picked up on a 91 Ranger 361v. Vro was missing. Easiest carbs I’ve had to rebuild. Was worried about plastic carbs, but none are warped or leaking! Win!
What year did 4stroke outboard motors go to fuel injectors?
Base gasket definitely is an issue with that force garbage
Enjoy your videos
.keep them coming !
I have a question ... I have a 2005 Suzuki DF 115 I got it usead whit a boat and i want to know if its anyway to find out the nr of houres and how , thank you !
Evinrude Fichte was a fuel injected out board engine. But they did have a couple of funny commercials.
How’s the 85 Yamaha?
What year?
@@TeamMarineService I think early to mid 90’s , it’s on a vanguard boat , I’m not sure but I thought possibly 1994 , just looking at the boat , doing research as best I know how.
445 hours on my 1996 Force 75hp. Refuse to get rid of because of its reliability. Some Force might be junk. Not all Force are junk. Just like every other industry, there are bad years for companies.
What about a Johnson 90 2004 year model wasn't those made by Suzuki seen one on a xpress h51 17 footer the other day ran good
I am a new boater just bought a 2021 ranger alum rt178 it has a merc 60 on it does this motor have carbs? I know that’s a silly question but I honestly do not know lol
I have a Lowe with the OMC set up to a Evinrude 9.9 it's a 97 and I have nothing but problems with a motor with less then 25 hours on it
Already having issues with a covid motor. Any idea what would cause a merc 250 pro xs 4 stroke randomly shake at idle but run fine otherwise??
Wasn't Force owned by Mercury in the late 80's early 90's?
Just curious why you call the OMC's "Oley's"? Its driving me nuts trying to figure it out lol
Ole Evinrude was the founder of Evinrude motors. Evinrude bought out Johnson among other makes and formed OMC.
Only disagreement on your worst outboard is the tower of power, an engine I love,
I’ve had a 99 force 50 for years on my river boat with not a single issue I guess I got lucky and got one of the only good ones lol I might better knock on wood
Wow that's awesome! Go buy a lotto ticket. Haha
Oh you’re the guy I heard about.
You may have seen a lot of service just due to the shear volume the company put out. I remember how large a brand Bayliner and Force were in their hay days. Every boat show, every marina, boat store sold them. They had large marketing budgets as well. Mass produced and affordable outboards and boats…..it was a very popular brand at one time.
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Thanks buddy! We appreciate ya!
Lol Garmin named a trolling motor after #1... and I run one 😅
FOOORRRRRCCCCEEEEEEE!!!!! 🤣🤣
Yep , forces suck! Olympic boat centers here in western states( they are gone now) used to just swap motors and not even repair them they were so bad and also cheap! Lol
Is the 1993 Evinrude E25TEETS good outboards??
I know the list could be long, but you left off the 2+4 merc 4 cylinder pos that was supposed to idle on only the top 2 cylinders.
Tower of power were great motors and have you ever worked on a oxe diesel that should be #1 also were was the yamaha f350 pos all verados up to 2018 were terrible
I had one of those Suzukis and ran it until I was tired of looking at it. I sold it and bought a new mercury optipop and that's what it did. I missed that Suzuki
You forgot the 3 cylinder 70 Mercury.
I’m 100% worried about my 2021 Suzuki DF70A now 😂
Lol. I picked Chrysler and Force. Weirdest looking outboards on the water.
TRACKER FORCE SUCKED AS WELL 😅😂
I had an old Scott Atwater 3.5hp if I remember correctly ran and ran. Most people may not remember that name.
McCullough bought them out. I have a neat little 7.5 SA I haven't fired up as yet. Handle folds away to carry it. Why I bought it.
Never owned one but everyone always brought their pos Chryslers to me. Never worked on them much pulled plugs compression test tell them sorry but i have a motor for sale lol
Those Force's were garbage!
THE WORST!!!!!
A lot to do with the people who own them. Some people are not a good fit for certain motors. I'm
I am new to this channel but my #1 worst POS motor was a 150 ficht johnson SUCK!!!!
I had the misfortune to own a Force. Absolute truth. It was garbo.
1988 mercury 175 on a 88 champion 184???
A double of observations. In the various over/under reviews, just watched the Mercury Pro XS 250 vs the Suzuki ss 250 and some other variables that you hardly ever mentions is: Availability of dealers, cost of the outboard and how the outboard Brand affects resale value.
Fair questions...we all know Merc's dealer network is larger overall but give Suzuki sometime to catch up. The cost all boils down to what the dealer mark up is. We know the price we get them for and the price we sell them for. Resale value is all based on what the next buyer will pay...some will pay more for a Merc, some more for a Yamaha, some more for a Suzuki...hell some people will pay more for a used Honda!
Tohatsu? Where would that fall on the list?
From what we've seen and read they're a pretty tough little motor...of course some are better than others
Ran a 5 hp and 15 hp Tohstsu/Nissan outboard on my flat bottoms I run in the bayous. Good little outboards! One I sold to a guy who used it to evacuate ppl in Houston during Harvey. He said it never has given him any issues.
The old Scott attwater balomatic should be the list
Ran 2 strokes whole life bikes to boats and if you are not good with a wrench
Don't bother buying one.
Add to the list 2018 Mercury outboards 40 hp to 60 hp. These things are poorly made in china ??!! THEY ARE JUNK !!! I went to change lower unit oil last fall and it was filled with water. JUNK !!!
I disagree with tower of power that motor started in 60s and went to 80s. It ran like a champ. Really noisy but reliable. Johnson v4 was garbage