TEAM TALK: WHO MADE YOUR OUTBOARD? (WOW!!!)
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2022
- TEAM TALK: WHO MADE YOUR OUTBOARD? (WOW!!!)
Some of you already know that Suzuki made the Evinrude & Johnson 4-Strokes but did you know that Tohatsu is a major player within the industry? Ever heard of the outboard company Selva out of Italy? Ain't nothing but a Yamaha. Comment below if you've ran any of these outboards and let us know your experiences with them! Enjoy!
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Hello!
Remember when your GPS and fish locator were rolled into one trusty unit called Grandpa?
Stumbled into your channel when looking at outboard reviews. Bought a small Suzuki as a result of the info I found here. Loving every minute with my young family and our little boat now. Thank you for the content and now I’m hooked on watching
Had a small Tohatsu made Honda 40 and it was a great little outboard. Sold the boat and moved up into a Champion
Nice upgrade!
Tohatsu is Honda. There are really only 6 companies in Japan that make everything.
I've worked for Honda for 31 years. Our designers, Engineers, all the way down to our factory workers have pride in making 1 of the best outboards on the Mkt. Sometimes we experience problems, but we will stand behind our Design, and work with out clients to insure that their expectations are always met or exceeded. Great Video guys!
That's great to hear!!! Love to chat more, email me at speedmoneynobrakes@gmail.com Thanks!!
Where are Honda outboards produced? US? Or Japan?
@@hankschrader149 The larger HP motors I believe 35Hp and Over are made in Alpharetta George by Honda. The lower rated HP motors are made by Tohatsu. I believe in Japan or the Chi...place??? I boast Honda was the 2nd U.S. Based American Motor Manufacturer to come out with a 4 stroke back in 1964. And the coolest thing is we use the same engine as the "tried and true" Honda Accord. Its a 2.4 liter block.
31 years NEVER REPLACED A MOTOR NOT UNDER WARRANTY. AND 2 DATE.. 2 MOTORS "GOOD WILL" WARRANTED BY HONDA AT 85,000. Fully covered Parts (a Motor) and labor... 100% by Honda including a loaner car while the engine swap took place.
Both cases it was a broken timing chain.
But swear to the Honda Engineers ....with my 30+ years, and only 2 motors having "Flukes"..... I'm 100 % sold gang!
Honda is now looking into more battery powered High output Motors, and we may even see a hybrid?
I know I would like to see more automation with our smaller Kicker size motors..Things like spot lock, and remote operation from a lanyards...on a kicker (without needed, autopilot)..... would be the next huge thing in fishing.
My son was a engineer for Honda in Timmonsville SC for a few years. I told him about the Honda products I have owned and also worked with. Simply the Best. I own a 2019 Honda 90 hp and my oldest son owns a 2019 60 hp Honda.....Great engines. Honda needs to put fuel injection on their 25 and 3 hp models. Also I would love to see a Honda 70 hp with 70 cubic inch powerhead.
I enjoy these insider videos that no one else knows. Awesome content!
Love the Set!
I have an 84 Mariner 40hp(Yamaha) and it uses quicksilver controls but all the parts I replaced for maintenance was made in Japan and had Yamaha part numbers. It's a very solid outboard an starts every time
You're killing it. Love the videos.
Thanks buddy! We appreciate ya!
Great set, great video and tech tip!
Glad you liked it!
This was a cool vid, I digged it!! Keep it up boys, post more often please!!
Glad ya liked it Chris!
Millions of the old red, green and blue white wings still running like their still new. Johnson and evinrude are the kings. Millions from the 50's still running good! Look at any lake and you still see shitloads of old Johnsons and Evinrudes out there and very few old Mercs or any others. Starting to see some older Yamaha's
Love the set! Love giving the yard guys shit even more!!!
Got my T-shirt order in last weekend! Can’t wait for it to come in and rep here in Alabama!
Dig the set! You guys are awesome.
Thanks so much!
Love the new set. 👍🏻
Thanks!
I'm running a tohatsu mfs50. Only issue I've had was when I forgot the kill switch... 😅 Been a super reliable motor.
Set is awesome
Luv the office it a good look.
I like the new set!
Been running tohatsu since 2000. Amazing outboard. If I can't get a suzuki 115ss for my bay boat I will go new tohatsu 115.
Great show guys 👍👍👍👍
Thanks buddy
Excellent cool video.
I’ve got two BRP motors: a 150 and a 50HP, both about 10 years old. Only one issue with (ironically) the same problem of a bad fuel injection module. Other than that single issue, they’ve been bulletproof. 🇨🇦 And BTW, your set is just fine!
Just run on to y’all great show love the info
Welcome aboard Jared!
I’ve been told that the 200 and up pro
Xs Mercury’s; masaratti engineering was involved. I was given very specific break-in instructions for motor and lower unit, which gas too use, etc. also was told the 200 will make over 200hp once finally broke-in!
A lot of Selva Yamaha's over in Europe!
They have a huge dealer network over there! Hell they make boats too
Have u dealt w 140 2017 Suzuki, its white and on a 19 ft Key West Center console, I have a chance to purchase but have not heard much about them, thanks
Awesome man cave!
Thanks!
Hi Andy,a lot of people did not even know that the Mariner outboards under 70 h.p. we're actually Yammies,and that the larger Mariner engines were a Merc.We Started the Dealership as a full line Mercruiser and Mariner outboard Shop back in around 87/88 and there were tons of the smaller (60h.p.& under)Mariner's that had been sold by a shop who closed up about a year before we opened up and we would get them in for service.Eventually Mercury took away my beloved Mariner's and we sold Merc up until 04 when I sold the dealership.I always thought the Early Mariner outboards were great little engines.
The Tohatsu/Evinrude deal was real. We had a 3.5 and 15 come by our shop.
As of this model year, Tohatsu 150-250 is made by Honda. Tohatsu has come up with their own superior 60-140 hp outboards.
We heard from a comment that as of 2021 Tohatsu had taken over their 60-140's
Nice set
Thanks buddy!!!
I love this stuff
good info
My 1980 mariner 25 starts first or second pull and would trust that thing to go anywhere
Office looks good and functional , video set, commentary , tech tips and being able to watch over employees, off a bully pulpit and ripp some ass when needed!!
I bought a 21' flat bottom river boat with a Merc 9.9 , moved the boat fine. Starting was an issue. First pull at the ramp started everytime , run it awhile, might start might not. Eventually would start. No rhyme or reason. Sometimes it would start first pull. Once it started it ran perfect, didn't die or stutter . Got fed up, got a Yamaha 15 electric start. Awesome. 6 years no problems. Might upgrade to 20hp. Might. Only thing I wish was different, the pull rope is take the cowl off and wrap.
Coupla things: If you're tooled to build a certain size it makes sense to tap someone that knows what they're doing. You build the small stuff for us and we'll build the big stuff for you (Tohatsu/Yamaha). I'm guessing Evinrude/Johnson was always OMC/BRP. Speed in an engine is more a result of design than "who" builds it.
I bought into a 2016 E-Tec 135 H.O. shortly before BRP discontinued. So far zero issues and love this motor on my 217F Stratos.
Comment below on if you are running any of these outboards and what your experience has been like!
owned a 85 mariner 9.9 (yammy) ran fantastic,89 suzuki dt115 ran fantastic,78 merc 70 worked great. currently have 97 evinrude 200 vindicator, runs like scalded dog! keep alcohol out of the fuel and they run great!
I have the Johnson 140 for stroke and I’m happy with it.
In 1999 I bought the 26th Suzuki DF40 made on the first day of production, living in Jacksonville FL. With 212.9 hours on the time clock it corroded through the cylinder head at the 10 year mark putting coolant water into #2 cylinder. In Jacksonville you are at least going to be running in brackish water all the time. I attempted to have the head repaired which was a failure. For 12 years I tried to find a used cylinder head as a new one was $1,800. Finally I found someone selling a head on the internet for $250 in 2022 just before I moved to Lake Panasoffkee Fl. Recently I put the engine back together with the used head and noticed somehow I had lost the low pressure fuel pump and the ignition coils in the move. On 5/8/24 I found the deal of a lifetime on a brand new 2024 Suzuki DF50 and bought it home from 101 miles away. My 1999 controls will fit the new motor with an adapter cable and now with the trailer and boat all brought up to spec, tomorrow morning I will install the new engine on my boat with my new Harbor Freight shop crane. Drum roll!!! The old engine will eventually run
The early 2 thousands hot suits were really instructable all the way up to the 115I75 2011 model I put that thing through hell and it always came back
From what I understood is that Yamaha built a lot of power heads for different brands and Mercury built the midsection and lower units for others.
Ive seen those.
Tohatsu is the world's largest outboard manufacturer for motors up to 140 hp
Hahaha the Selva model names are gold. Hilarious!
Have a 2004 Lund Fisherman with a 140 Johnson 4 stroke, it’s been awesome.
Mercury 50 EFI 4-stroke 2002 mod. Made in Belgium. Works fin. It had carbs, but its rebuilt to injection. Makes 30 knots. Boat "With Vital 1700 HT Dromedille"
I run a 2021 tohatsu 9.9 seems to be a good reliable engine but I dont have many hours on it yet.
Great news look
I used to rent a trout boat in Norfork AR, they were Mercury 9.9/15 pull start in the early 90's swapped to Mariner for a while. I remember an 8hp that ran awesome. Back to Merc, recently swapped to Yamaha because of fuel economy. Yamaha sips gas. Fuel costs 2/3rds of the Merc. Lower unit not quite as tough.
The Suzuki made Evinrude's were the best Evinrude's ever made! Why??? Because they didn't build it! Haha
Hahaha yep!
Exactly
Btw, Evinrudes does not have an apostrophe.
@@teeanahera8949 true
Wrong. Very very wrong. If anything they were the worst because they were 4 strokes. Worst power to weight ratio of any evinrude Johnson in 40 years
Just ordered a 2022 tohatsu 50. My first outboard purchase ( new into the game). I bought it for the variable rpm for low speed fishing. Also was much cheaper then the comparable 50s. I never had something Japanese I didn't like. So they are only okay, hey? I'm hoping it lasts me a long time and is a good motor for years to come. Thanks for the video, new to the channel.
All Japanese motors are superior in terms of reliability. We are confident that will last you a long time
Can confirm…..your Tohatsu will serve you with great reliability just try to use rec 90 fuel and keep up on your maintenance
@@johnholford4581 thanks for the tip. Premium fuel only
Great video and set . Maybe do a video off all the out boards coming outta fon du lac Wisconsin now.
We could do that for ya Kyle!
where i been at under a rock, didnt know yall had merch just ordered a shirt so i can rep yall on these Mississippi lakes
Thanks!!!! Appreciate it buddy
In the late 70s,Artic Cat had Spirit outboards which were made by Suzuki.Just as good as the Yamaha Mariners,but very slim dealer network.
I had a Nissan/tohatsu 30 hp 2 stroke with 9.9 stickers. That’s a whole topic you could get into the people on hp restricted lakes running 35 mph with motors that say 9.9
Would like to see a video on 2 stroke oils and the differences. Thanks and do enjoy the set.
I just went through the Honda 115crack issue before I got my Suzuki. Unfortunately the crack occurred 9 years after that 10 year extension. Also unfortunately when Honda Id'd the issue back in 2003 they STOPPED making replacement parts, so finding a replacement head was not going to happen. Still got 22 years out of that motor with ZERO issues till the head cracked.
That stinks Eric, but you did get good use out of it
@@TeamMarineService I got my money's worth out of it for sure. 22 years of service seems acceptable. Unfortunately it happened like 2 months before I was to sell the boat to fund my Gator Trax....
No shame in 22 yrs. Most marriages don't last that long these days and I bet the outboard bitches less 🤣
Who had an old Mariner that was Yamaha made?
2cylinder 40 HP…over 3000 documented trouble free hours. Traded it in cause I believed something bad HAD to happen soon!?
Replaced it in 92 with same motor except it said Yamaha on the cowl. Still runs great😀.
The small Evinrude up to 15, built by Tohatsu is factual. I have one at my shop currently with carburetor problems.
Great video again, thanx! Does someone knows if i can diagnose my johnson 140 4stroke with a Suzuki sds diagnose kit? Like to buy one from Ebay but not sure if it will work.
Speed - money - no oil for the new set chair
Loudest chair ever!!!
I miss the hoses hanging from the ceiling ☺️
Like the set. Where can I get that sign behind Andy's head.
Some of it may be about whose got what production capabilities. Seems like Yamaha has a lot of market so I’d assume their facilities are efficient and profitable.
I hope I don’t jinx myself by talking about how good my 2005 Mercury optimax has been. I’ve heard them called optipops but so far runs great and well maintained Quik kleen run yearly is there anything to keep a ear or eye out for?
Both of my 2 stroke "Mariners" were made in Japan by Yamaha, not Mercury like other Mariners. Awesome outboards
Do a video on the HPDI engine over its history. I tried finding info on your channel before I bought mine but not much luck. Also Amsoil video would be interesting
Great suggestion!
There is a mitsubishi ecm on my suzuki 2022 DF9.9. I bet there is some parts sharing going on between them.
Need some “speed money no brakes” merch 👌
Soon!
Was motors that said tracker on them the same as a mariner ? And if I have a blown 90 is it worth anything or just throw it away ? I'm sure it has more issues than blown lol
Great content as always fella's!
Andy, if you are buying a 15 hp outboard today...what are you buying? Keep in mind I'm not interested in Mercury products!
Tohatsu. Some of the lightest around, great warranty and price point.
Suzuki
I have a 2014 Mercury 15 2 stroke... built by Mercury ( made in USA) its the same as the 9.9/15 from the 80's with newer decals. Apparently Mercury had carbon credits and would do limited builds of 2 strokes every year instead of selling the carbon credits.
Pretty sure carbon credits aren't a thing. We have emission regulations in the US
It's like GM, Ford, Honda, Nissan and Toyota Cars and Trucks. They all make at least two different lines. Outboards are made by different brands because they can sell more units and not all have to have manufacturing that builds the whole HP range.
How about the mid 80's Ford Taurus SHO.... a yamaha 225 outboard block
You see Selva's all over Venice.
It’s like the automotive business, it’s all about volume
You need massive volumes to cover development cost and get low purchase prices
Hey Andy, in your opinion who is making the best 50 HP, 60HP tiller right now? Looking for longevity.
I think it has to do with global dealership networks. Not really a big deal in the US. But a big deal and say Singapore and other countries who has the established Netwerk
Interesting video. Raises a few questions. Does Honda sacrifice some performance to have near perfect reliability? What is it about Honda that gives them the reputation of reliability but not performance? I have a Honda bf50 and it's been perfect from April-December in Wisconsin for many years🤙🏼
The Coast Guard and commercial offshore fisherman across the globe use Honda outboards which says a lot.
@@gransport4246 Our Coast and Towboat US around here have switched to Suzuki outboards
I don't know who made my outboards, but if I did I'd like to buy him a beer. I have three 70 hp. 1989 Johnsons. I bought all three new. Total 3,600 hours combined and all three are running fine. One has low compression, but I'm running it and it's still bringing me back to the dock after putting me on fish. I have a Mercury XS115 CT on order. I'll see!
Johnson and evinrude were the most reliable ever. Millions from the 50's still running like they are brand new.
Best 30hp tiller motor out there on the market today for reliability. I care not about speed, I need to creep in slews
I don't think I heard you mention the Honda's lower units are / use to be mercury lowers
I think tohatsu is building their own up to 140 now and Honda is building the 150hp up to 250hp
What’s your opinion of the new Merc 8/9.9 hp 4-stroke outboards? Just bought a new 8MH and am curious what I’m in for.🤔🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for the info. Are the late 80s like 87 88 Mariner 40 2 cylinder a Yamaha
Yep
Do you anything about Hidea motors
How reliable are they?
Any videos on revieews of the 30 to 60 hp tohatsu engines
When the Mariner line was first launched in the mid 1970's the 60hp(it was a two cylinder) and below were made by Yamaha in Japan and the larger motors were Mercury made in Fond du Lac and painted gray with a Mariner decal. I had an early 15hp Mariner and it was a strong motor-more like a 20hp. I have a year 2000 Mercury 50hp 4 cylinder 4 stroke-it has a Yamaha powerhead and it still runs great-smooth and quiet.
The Asian companies make a reliable quality engine. I have switched from mercury to suzuki.
@@rondellschuyler7074 THEY ALL HAVE PITFALLS ....SUZUKI WILL CORRODE AWAY TO NOTHING IN SALTWATER AND HAVE A TENDENCY TO MAKE OIL MORE THAN MOST IF YOU DONT WARM IT UP FULLY BEFORE RUNNING IT SLOW ON A PONTOON.WE TELL CUSTOMERS TO DO A HOT LAP FIRST THEN PUT PUT AROUND ...
I've got a 1992 70HP Nissan that needs a rebuild. I've been looking for a 90HP Nissan cause they're 3 cylinders instead of 4, and they look 3. Both I've found have been blown up from pontoon use. Are they bad? Or just poorly maintained? Not sure. Always though 1990s Japanese stuff was bulletproof.
How do you get a tshirt. I've tried twice with no luck?
What about a 98 mariner 75 hp? Mercury or Yamaha built??
Ok, so if I want the best 40-60hp outboard not made in China, what should I buy? Japan or USA would be my preference.
How you feel about Mariner 1992 60hp tiller
The powerhead of the Yammie 50 and the Merc 50 is the same I think
The evinrude 4 stroke built by tohatsu whas i think only deliverd to Europe iam not a 100% sure of that but i work for a outbourd dealer that also used to sell evinrude and when used to sell those smal horse power 4 stroke i whas working on 1 today a 4 horsepower one exactly the same as 4 horsepower Mercury and tohatsu
I want to buy the team service shirts with the outboard on it
Over under new avid 21 xb?
(If they would get on the phone)
Still waiting on the phone call
Have you seen a common problem with the crank shaft seal pushing out on the Yamaha SHOs?
I have personally seen 3 do this .
@@boatdr.t5737 my brothers just did it, pretty new motor. Put a new seal in with some loctite but wondering how common of an issue it is
The set is great. Chair is squeaky
Loudest chair ever!!!
They made Verados in Fond du Lac in 2014. Check youtube, Mercury factory.
I hear Mercury Verado's brought in a German engineering team headed by Claus Bruestle, known for developing the Porsche Formula One engine program and who headed up the team that designed the Porsche Cayenne V-8. Now who designs the current ones. LOL
Wow we could see that! We will definitely look into that
Actually Tohatsu makes their own outboard up to 140 and the 150-250 are made by Honda. This changed in 2021
Good to know Jayson! 👍🏻
@@TeamMarineService Honda made the 60-250 for Tohatsu for so long nobody has really noticed that it changed last year. Tohatsu doesn't market very well over here so you wouldn't know unless you looked on there website recently