Full respect to Pete with his sobriety it’s a miracle trust me as for the past everyone was correct to avoid him a total mess which makes his sobriety something special
Ha! I was in attendance for both those Oasis gigs in 2005. What come from Babyshambles not playing that day in MK was that The Zutons stepped up and absolutely smashed it. Two years later I would get to see Babyshambles on the Other Stage at Glastonbury who were pure class from what I remember. MK was defiantly a missed opportunity for them imo.
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Liam really didn't like Peter Doherty and it was definitely Noel's idea for Babyshambles to support them. I also think that Peter was/is very calculating and i think he (HIMSELF) got more out of not appearing. As for the band, sadly i think its evident that it was very much a chance missed
@@ryanjavierortega8513 publicity wise and Liam was very much on his own turf and I think would’ve caused problems for Peters ego had he been the support act. It’s one thing being abused and sent up in your absence but quite another if it’s done face to face in front of a mass audience.
Pete has jokingly suggested that he and Liam Gallagher duke it out in a charity boxing match after Liam "Stole" Drew. “I think we should have a sponsored boxing match and the loser gets Drew.”
I was at that Milton Keynes show. Was quite excited to see Babyshambles. If I'm remembering correctly the line up ended up being Oasis The Zutons (filled in for babyshambles) The Redwalls The Secret Machines Noel Gallagher dedicated the song 'The importance of being idle' to Pete Doherty lol
Love all Pete’s music. I don’t think they missed out. I saw Babyshambles in Spain after we’d had the tail end of a hurricane the night before. There performance blew us away and saved our festival!
This shows you that everything's relative. In America, Oasis were seen as a chaotic, unprofessional band that couldn't get it together. They never completed any of their first 3 tours and were considered a shambles. But in this video compared to Doherty and company they come across as a very professional corporate outfit.
Oasis were chaotic but still went 4 times platinum in America in 6 months with Morning Glory and had three Top 5 US albums, and have sold over 10 million albums in the States. Not bad at all.
Yeah Oasis still sold a lot of records in the US & headlined places like MSG in New York. They just didn’t really give a shit about America & wouldn’t play the corporate ass missing game so we’re never going to be as big there as they could have been
I've just gotten his book as a Christmas present, am right at this chapter, just turned on the phone and this pops up! Get outta me head! 😂 Great read btw.
Petes great, Karl’s great, libertines we’re great. Oasis were better, both bands carried the same kind of vibe, brotherhood, friendship, hate love. It was all good.
I can understand the members disappointment regarding the show - but I always felt if they had done it - it would be akin to a certain kind of submission - when clearly the shambles were more relevant than oasis at that point .
Definitely Babyshambles missed out!! Pete was off his nut then , Allways got that vibe from Noel that he like libertines , and shambles. Maybe Noel invited them to get on top of Liam !! Lol. Good doc 👍🏽. Funny how Liam and Pete’doing soo good now solo …. Love them both 🤙🏽
Heroin’s a lot more uptown than people realise. The difference when you’re taking smack uptown is that you don’t need to rob your granny or indeed your band mate to get some more
@@BillyHayes79Music smack Is still a dirty, grubby drug that’s physically addictive. It also makes you a layabout. At least coke is a sociable drug. Neither are good for you but if I HAD to do one . . . I’d do Coke.
@@BillyHayes79Music, all the uptown and wealthy suburbanites get their drugs legal. in every home there's a prescription bottle of some type of amphetamines or opiates.
@@andy-qn3hf oh I agree . . . but a Cokehead still has furniture and a TV to watch. A smack head lies on a mattress in his empty front room waiting for his next hit
Liam was clearly threatened by Pete, taking over his mantle of the bad boy of rock - at this point Liam had gotten a bit 'fat aeging rocker' and was clearly behind the times and oasis weren't trendy anymore, and he felt it. Also total hypocrite - Liam famously bailed on lots of oasis shows (just look at mtv unplugged!). Think it was a cooler move for Pete to fuck them off
I saw babyshambles at manchester college in 2005. I felt sorry for the band. Pete was pretty much just a mess on stage and you could see they were bored being there just trying to hold everything together
Hahaha the brothers Grimm spat their dummies, shame cos Oasis cudna followed the 'shambles anyhoo, Pete did them a favour cos they'd have been found out big time......
@Dave79 Heroin is responsible for some of the greatest music ever created. The Stones, the Beatles, Hendrix, Bowie, Guns n Roses all artists bands consumed by Heroin at various points. Oasis were Coke fiends. So what
Full respect to Pete with his sobriety it’s a miracle trust me as for the past everyone was correct to avoid him a total mess which makes his sobriety something special
I agree. Cos he was the next Amy Winehouse around that time
Not if you just transfer your addiction to food
Ha!
I was in attendance for both those Oasis gigs in 2005.
What come from Babyshambles not playing that day in MK was that The Zutons stepped up and absolutely smashed it.
Two years later I would get to see Babyshambles on the Other Stage at Glastonbury who were pure class from what I remember.
MK was defiantly a missed opportunity for them imo.
One of the Zutons plays in Noel's band now and one of babyshambles plays bass in Liam's band
I was at the same gig. I was so happy when The Zutons stepped in. Amazing gig
That was my first oasis gig and I was a huge pete fan. They definitely f up missing that one! I've still never been a crowd like that one. Pure bliss
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Liam really didn't like Peter Doherty and it was definitely Noel's idea for Babyshambles to support them. I also think that Peter was/is very calculating and i think he (HIMSELF) got more out of not appearing. As for the band, sadly i think its evident that it was very much a chance missed
Pete got more out of it?
@@ryanjavierortega8513 publicity wise and Liam was very much on his own turf and I think would’ve caused problems for Peters ego had he been the support act. It’s one thing being abused and sent up in your absence but quite another if it’s done face to face in front of a mass audience.
I have heard Liam say he hates smack too if that may have had something to do with it too?
Lisa Moorish also caused the blur v oasis war because damon slept with her when liam was being absent 😂
Mad how Drew has now gone on to play bass for Liam, I wonder if that ever gets brought up?
Pete has jokingly suggested that he and Liam Gallagher duke it out in a charity boxing match after Liam "Stole" Drew.
“I think we should have a sponsored boxing match and the loser gets Drew.”
Amazed they were even playing with them in the first place.
I was at that Milton Keynes show. Was quite excited to see Babyshambles. If I'm remembering correctly the line up ended up being
Oasis
The Zutons (filled in for babyshambles)
The Redwalls
The Secret Machines
Noel Gallagher dedicated the song 'The importance of being idle' to Pete Doherty lol
I am really enjoying these... thank you :)
Ace cheers
Love all Pete’s music. I don’t think they missed out. I saw Babyshambles in Spain after we’d had the tail end of a hurricane the night before. There performance blew us away and saved our festival!
Haha was this benicassim? Think I was there for that.
@@22grandpod yes it was the Beni festival I saw them at. Glad you survived to tell the story.
they both have kids to the same women
...there is your problem...
This shows you that everything's relative. In America, Oasis were seen as a chaotic, unprofessional band that couldn't get it together. They never completed any of their first 3 tours and were considered a shambles.
But in this video compared to Doherty and company they come across as a very professional corporate outfit.
Oasis were chaotic but still went 4 times platinum in America in 6 months with Morning Glory and had three Top 5 US albums, and have sold over 10 million albums in the States. Not bad at all.
@@darrenthomas7402 I know. Imagine what they could've sold if they had completed their first 3 tours of America and been more "business like".
Yeah Oasis still sold a lot of records in the US & headlined places like MSG in New York. They just didn’t really give a shit about America & wouldn’t play the corporate ass missing game so we’re never going to be as big there as they could have been
Oasis was way older here in 2005 mins 30s. In they early 20s like shambles they was indeed a shambles too taking crystal meth on stage 😂😂
@@theselector4733 what if Liam had sang at the unplugged performance?
I've just gotten his book as a Christmas present, am right at this chapter, just turned on the phone and this pops up! Get outta me head! 😂 Great read btw.
Petes great, Karl’s great, libertines we’re great. Oasis were better, both bands carried the same kind of vibe, brotherhood, friendship, hate love. It was all good.
I can understand the members disappointment regarding the show - but I always felt if they had done it - it would be akin to a certain kind of submission - when clearly the shambles were more relevant than oasis at that point .
I remember the Milton Keynes gig was also gutted Baby shambles didnt play though really enjoyed The coral that night who stepped in.
Most always knew why back then.
Definitely Babyshambles missed out!! Pete was off his nut then , Allways got that vibe from Noel that he like libertines , and shambles. Maybe Noel invited them to get on top of Liam !! Lol. Good doc 👍🏽. Funny how Liam and Pete’doing soo good now solo …. Love them both 🤙🏽
Uptown drugs vs down town drugs
Heroin’s a lot more uptown than people realise. The difference when you’re taking smack uptown is that you don’t need to rob your granny or indeed your band mate to get some more
@@BillyHayes79Music smack Is still a dirty, grubby drug that’s physically addictive. It also makes you a layabout. At least coke is a sociable drug. Neither are good for you but if I HAD to do one . . . I’d do Coke.
@@BillyHayes79Music, all the uptown and wealthy suburbanites get their drugs legal. in every home there's a prescription bottle of some type of amphetamines or opiates.
@@andy-qn3hf oh I agree . . . but a Cokehead still has furniture and a TV to watch. A smack head lies on a mattress in his empty front room waiting for his next hit
@@lennoxmate4064 you clearly know nothing, try reading a book sometime
Never heard of Doherty until now.
Liam was clearly threatened by Pete, taking over his mantle of the bad boy of rock - at this point Liam had gotten a bit 'fat aeging rocker' and was clearly behind the times and oasis weren't trendy anymore, and he felt it. Also total hypocrite - Liam famously bailed on lots of oasis shows (just look at mtv unplugged!). Think it was a cooler move for Pete to fuck them off
I saw babyshambles at manchester college in 2005. I felt sorry for the band. Pete was pretty much just a mess on stage and you could see they were bored being there just trying to hold everything together
For lovers is great
Stuff oasis
Adam ficek was definitely babyshambles best ever drummer. Hope he’s still doing well
He never liked paul and called Emily a radish from Burnley
Woulda been huge
Coke and Es v Smack and Crack - would never have worked kids. X
Hahaha the brothers Grimm spat their dummies, shame cos Oasis cudna followed the 'shambles anyhoo, Pete did them a favour cos they'd have been found out big time......
Having a dig at Oasis by saying 'there first album was good' how dare he.
Liam's lucky he didn't get a punch tbh
To be honest I don't think Liam gave a flying fuck.
I can't even understand what he is saying? Babyshambles? Shambles would have been far more appropriate! Gone and Long Forgotten! dx
Ok dad
u win some you loose some. artists that are as rock and roll are pointless trying to understand. im a fuck up too!!!!!
why does anyone care
This is way to British for me
Doherty is/was overrated anyways and I wouldn't have wanted him around me. I don't blame Liam.
Nonsense
He was/is a poet. Maybe not to your taste but he was a fantastic wordsmith. Had a bit more in his locker than sunsheiiiinnne
@@BillyHayes79Music shite
@@Joemckenzie-85 oh Joseph
He is a bit of a bellend
Doherty is Noel Carl is Liam i kid you not.
Liam wasn’t exactly known for his time keeping, or ability to always turn up, so sounds like this was just the excuse he needed.
@Dave79 cokeheads are junkies too
@Dave79 bla bla bla
@Dave79 Heroin is responsible for some of the greatest music ever created. The Stones, the Beatles, Hendrix, Bowie, Guns n Roses all artists bands consumed by Heroin at various points. Oasis were Coke fiends. So what
Sorry i meant you libertine up the junction