That's regular problem of an early construction, however the fact it somehow wasn't fixed during the trials means it either isn't an issue in correctly chambered rifles or by the second option that someone up there is disconnected or doesn't care about the troops to an insane degree. There is a third possibility that they will just issue those and wait for more problems to come out and fix all of them at once instead of making ten different versions of one rifle in the first year of usage. I would bet the third or maybe the first option, I don't even want to consider what the second option means for us and other countries under american protection.
i am no gun expert by far so forgive me if this seems like a dumb question ok...cant you or whoever is shooting this weapon insert the mag while the bolt is deployed , or release the bolt before insert ?
@@williamshanks3027 Which is counterintuitive and actually regressive in technology as dropping the bolt before reloading adds time to a reload and goes against the muscle memory and training on most weapon systems. The bolt will automatically lock back on most modern firearms when firing the last round, leaving the bolt open saves time when inserting a fresh mag and then dropping the bolt. Being able to insert a mag too far is a critical flaw in the weapon system that should be corrected.
I would think the fact you can jam the rifle just by inserting the magazine would automatically remove this rifle from contention in a war scenario. Trying to unjam your magazine everytime you reload while being shot at is a terribly sure way to end up "not alive".
It's meant for use with Lancer mags and as such have issues with other mags. It's like complaining that your 416 doesn't have "universal magazine capabilities".
@@desertedgoatgaming well i'm sure the US military will spend the money to replace all of their existing magazines with all new Lancer mags that cost about 50$ a pop. The US military has never been known to cut corners that resulted in unnecessary deaths of US troops and allies (cue exit from afghanistant). Also i'm pretty sure Brandon used the magazine that came with the rifle which is another huge design flaw that the shipped magazine doesn't fit properly in the rifle.
@@desertedgoatgaming I'm fairly certain Brandon would've used the magazine that came with it. Seems far fetched he'd gone out of his way to disregard the supplied equipment, run out and buy a different type magazine to cause issues. Or to preempt your next argument, bought cheaper spares and didn't notice the loading issue only affected those magazines and not the original. Brandon being the thorough gun guy he is would certainly have noticed something like that and mentioned it.
@@fmrscout33 Military contracts are like 20% actual usability and performance and the rest is whoever sells it the cheapest or sucks the right guy's dick the best. This isn't the first time sig got a military contract that they really shouldn't have (p320/m17 as an example) but here we are. Sig has gotten pretty good at giving head it seems.
The rear charging handle was an add on afterthought. In the trials soldiers kept reaching for the back of the rifle to charge it because they are so used to that from the A.R. 15. The military requested Sig add the second charging handle to the rear.
@@mrtreezz8251 I guess the overinsertion issue is only present on the .308 caliber and not the 6.8 military cartridge, but I cannot prove this obviously.
Yeah, I feel like any future iteration of the rifle (y'know, A1, A2, etc.) will probably do away with the AR-15 style of charging handle as more soldiers get used to the new rifle (assuming they get the chance to).
Dump the rear charging handle. It's superfluous given the ease of actioning the side charge handle (but adapt the folding mechanism) to save weight and simplicity. Also the magwell must be remedied immediately for front-line action when things get heated. (this is the major flaw I feel.
Look at where the stock goes when folded....you can't use the charging handle when it's folded, you need the second charging handle with the stock folded.
@@kylewhite8434 As I stated. dump the rear handle and modify the side one to compensate, or modify the handle, and reduce weight. These weapons MUST be actionable and absolutely reliable to eliminate any requirement for redundancy.
Oh god. Great point. I'm an old dog, BAR to the Pig to the SVD. In the field we must keep it simple. If you have to go fix someone else's weapon, they shouldn't be in your unit. It's a trust issue
That and the training ammo and combat ammo being significantly different pressure levels. It’s not like 9mm 115gr fmj compared to a gold dot either, it’s a significant difference in recoil
@@S1deshowRob Under fire recoil is only managed, you don't feel it, just manage it. Not sure where you're coming from Rob. We always train with what we shoot, shoot with what we trained with. Guessing you're coming at this complete civi side. I used flying ashtrays for years, still do when I snatch a 1911 platform. Doesn't matter the pressure you HIT HIT. John made the point very well that you can't screw up. Belt fed or box, don't screw up. If you cannot keep your weapon functional, you're useless 'cept as an ammo carrier. PTL PTA Pressure levels don't matter, you hitting does
extra step being the buffer spring? same as a 249, not that much of an issue - would actually assist with teaching new recruits SAW disassembly as it better translates
the fact that you can over insert a magazine on a COMBAT RIFLE is absolutely mind blowing. Just another item on the list of things that make you go "hmmm" when you think about how a former soccom commander was given a board position on sig shortly before the contract went through for this rifle
Even assuming - and you know what you're doing when you assume - that the magazine overinsertion (Magazine. Magazine, dammit!) issue *could* be specific to the .308 variant of the gun, there are plenty of other significant downchecks to the XM7.
As a US Army veteran, here's my opinion. Any and all of the pros that I have for this rifle... Are irrelevant, based on the over insertion issue. That in my opinion, if it hasn't been remedied, is grounds for an immediate pause on fielding this rifle for Active Duty use.. Any and every engagement with an enemy force, is an adrenaline fueled moment of intensity that results in the natural occurrence of over exertion of our movements and actions.. In other words, the gentle and careful insertion of the magazine into the rifle during a life threatening event such as a firefight is non existent.. And when time is measured in milliseconds, the act of forcefully wiggling and jerking the overly inserted magazine to a position that gives bolt clearence so the chambering of the round can occur, is unacceptable and will result in the loss of American soldiers lives. Conversation over. No debate. No room for discussion. And it's unimaginable to think that thus issue didn't occur during the rigorous testing by our military. So what the hell??
So 2 things I think you'll find interesting. 1) TFB was interviewing the SIG engineers and the T charging handle was said to be an after thought, originally it was only supposed to have the side charger and that's it. 2) Because of how soldiers are trained the over insertion problem is going to be a big deal because of how we are taught to remediate malfunctions using SPORTS. The thing to note is that many soldiers don't get the range time after basic to effectively train up on a new set of remedial actions to make it second nature, so that is is another layer to the problem. S: slap the magazine. P: pull the charging handle O: observe the chamber R: release the charging handle T: tap the forward assist S: squeeze the trigger
Forward assist and T charging handle ruined this gun and were exact "features" requested by US army commission. Scaling up the SIG550 to 6.8 was supposed to be a relatively simple design.
The most captivating thing to me is that, despite the rumblings of the XM7 replacing the M4, and despite all of the differences between the designs, you can still find Eugene Stoner's fingerprints all over this rifle.
I don't think so, Eugene Stoner wouldn't put his hands on this thing. This feels like someone's poor copy of someone's science fair project that won a gold medal years ago. Stoner wouldn't want his tracks on gun that has a crappy mag fed and 2 charging handles that are neither better than a cheap AR. The SR-25 or the MK11 would probably make a better assault rifle if those weren't DMRs.
Chances are the 240 would possibly be changed over to the new round and the saw gets replaced with this as a sdm. All this assuming that the xm7 doesn't go the way of the scar
@@ndworker they have a machine gun too, the xm250. Garand Thumb has a detailed video on it, and that actually looks like a significant upgrade over the SAW.
@@rain8767 It's still based on Stoner's designs, just added more without his input (because lol he's deceased and the army has it's own requirements) The AR-15 was made in collaboration with Jim Sullivan's inputs so it's more like Sullivan, Stoner, and possibly a bit of Knight's for the ambi bolt release (not catch, mind you.) Armalite as well, for the AR-18 type external piston and spring system. All in all, it's still the same design, just a Frankenstein abomination of requirements from different designs, with Stoner still being related to all of it. It's just not what he wanted or had in mind, especially in the weight.
Like other US military weapons, this seems like a small arm that was designed by committee and ends up function more like a Frankenstein firearm than a coherently designed one. For example, the rear charging handle was added because military brass didn't think the grunts would be smart enough to charge a rifle any other way.
If you wanted to see a weapon that was designed by a committee then you should look at Textron's entry lol. It ejected right where your hand goes to grip it 😆
Theyre probably going to iterate on it like they do with most guns, it's normal, the m4 was iterated on a shit ton till the point it's basically maxed out and they need a new one
An overlooked feature of the new rifle is that the buffer tube is hollow, so it's a great place to store your lube, treasure maps, or love letters from fellow squad mates.
Devils advocate, and former combat arms with the US Army. Never understood folks using a great deal of force to load a mag into an empty weapon. Yeah, if the bolt is closed slap that fucker in and make sure it locks in, but if the bolt is open it's quick and smooth insert.
I just feel like new recruit freaking out in a firefight will slam that fucker in. Maybe a secondary mag catch could be helpful. Unsure about lancer v. Pmags
I don’t understand what was wrong with the AR10. Couldn’t they just switch back to 308 with the AR10 if the military wanted a heavier round. It just doesn’t seem like a massive improvement.
Yikes, i was thinking about similar stuff. Imagine the adrenaline in you as your under fire trying to reload your rifle... are you gonna think about lightly inserting the magazine?
@@stoneyq4259some dudes even get into the habit of doing a mag check smack to make sure its seated, imagine giving it a smack and it makes it worse lmao
My only thing is, it could be easily fixed with a different mag or the one he has may be damaged. And with that said, the protrusion of the mag catch is adjustable, so it could just be that gun and is easily fixable
@@Ixxlostinaboxis actually part of the training. Last thing you want is to pull the trigger and the mag falls out... I do it with pistols and rifles, and it's a very subconscious action.
@@dustyimler9163you are assuming that because the ar platform has the ability to adjust the catch. I would assume Brandon has the smithing skills to know this as well and would hope he checked it. My first impulse is that the problem is not able to be adjusted away. But I am also assuming.
I think the mag jam is a critical failure of the gun that needs to be fixed, but (at least to me), it seems like a fairly fixable issue. It just can't go out to soldiers with that happening.
@@gonehuntn3261 As with any new product there is a learning process like cars and trucks to manufacturing lines it will get worked out he acts like no one will never fix or listen to reason again. As stated above the scar is not cheaper to manufacture or light but it has been around for a little while.
It feels like we're moving backwards in time. We started with the M1 Garand in WW2 which weighed 9.5 lbs. The military then debutes the M1 Carbine which was very popular due to its weight (but a bit underpowered). We then briefly adopt the M14 which was a dinosaur gun compared to the AK due partially to its weight. We finally get the M16/M4 which has been great because it combines something low weight (6.4lbs) with a potent intermediate cartridge. Now we're back to a 9lb rifle and a heavy cartridge for some reason.
The Military is loaded with 308 Ammo for their machine guns. Why not just get a AR everyone is used to in 308/7.62. Well no kickbacks from manufacturers. Anything wrong with the 5.56??, Longer range? Swap a longer barrel and use heavier 223 bullets. Guess Varmint hunters can hit whatever at 500YDS with a 223. But the Military can't
Simply put, .277 sig fury because they wanted something heavier hitting than 5.56 from short barrels but also wanted something that can reach out to a farther range than 5.56 from a short barrel. You forget that .277 sig fury is a 150gr bullet that can achieve 3000fps out of a 16" barrel, whereas with 5.56 you'll be getting just under 3000fps from a 16" barrel & only be pushing a 62gr bullet. .277 sig fury is also designed to defeat near peer body armor in cqb
@@WillyK51So you're saying the MK12 is already the perfect rifle? Wrong!! obviously an extremely complicated aluminum billet receiver is an intrinsically better design. More bumps and ridges! More rough geometry! More fiddly knobs and jiggly doodads!
@@WillyK51 The reason is that in Afghan, the engagement distances were too far for 5.56 and the enemy knew it so they would sit outside of the max range for 5.56 and engage our forces. Our only options were m240 or the m2. There needed to be another weapon system to either replace the m4 for those situations or a weapon system to fill the gap. You could keep both the 5.56 and the 6.8 but it makes the logistics side more of a hassle.
The muscle memory of forcing the magazine or even slapping to confirm it’s seated before sending the bolt forward would be a hard train for a lot of soldiers. That’s how I knew it was actually going to load haha
It would be the opposite to what we've trained for honestly. I used to use the AK5C(Swedish standard, 5.56mm) and hitting the bottom of the mag to ensure it's comepletely inside feels great, and to unlearn for something like this gun is weird.
The magazine over-inserntion issues is definitely the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed. Your adrenaline in a combat situation is going to be sky high. You're going to be doing everything fast and hard. That issue can be the difference between life and death for our guys overseas. Edit: I wrote this comment before the part of the video that Brandon said the exact same thing as me
@@FuzedBox The magazines are the exact same across all models. The gun is made for SR25 pattern magazines therefore it should work with all SR25 pattern magazines. The mag in this video is a magpul SR25 mag.
Yeah i could tell just by looking at it that it hadn't been super battle tested like that. It just has that look that whoever designed hasn't been in too many gunfights.
SCAR17 is pretty light for a reliable 308 gas gun. LMT, KAC and HK are all heavier for the direct competing models. Don't forget about the Tavor7, 9lbs is still lighter than the 9.2lbs 16" XM7. T7 is as short as you can get(26.75") with 16.5" CHF CL 308 and it balances at the pistol grip(!) after equip w/ a can. It has fully ambi features including switching CH and ejection side in 2mins w/o any tool. And a 4-position gas selector: including adverse making it more reliable in bad environments and OFF making it a quieter single shot 308. With all that greatness I usually see it from only $1.7-1.9k! I think the bigger part of the deal with XM7 is the high-pressure 6.8 and NGSW scope...We can forget about both for now(or ever).
@@shockwave6213Not the most modern and ‘modular’ platform though. XM7 also has nearly identical operation features as the M16/4 platform. Think that’s a strong selling point from a manual of arms and training aspect.
@@sigspearthumb7993 I won't argue the manual of arms familiarity aspect. I'm just disappointed nobody has tried to "modernize" the G3. Developing a polymer or hybrid polymer/steel (or Aluminum) frame, bolt hold open and release and extended push button mag release. All things I imagine could be done FAIRLY easily with RND. I have seen push button release extensions done by German armorers for the MSG 90.
On the subject of over-insertsion: This is why the AK paddle mag will always be king: that paddle is a built in torque wrench, always the right torque.
I'd be more than happy to have a podcast of Brandon just sitting down and talking about whatever he wants. I just like the way you think about things and the jokes you throw in.
You enjoy prepared media, like all of us.... Just enjoy and play with your trunnion like the rest of us, don't beg. Im into gardening, chihuahua-ish dogs, pussy and conversations with real humans... What are you into... in The real World...
That over insertion thing is crazy, but I really doubt the Army would spend billions to give their infantrymen a rifle with such a glaring defect. If this rifle does pass the trial phase, that's definitely gonna get fixed before they move foreword.
@@Icarusdecending82 So you'll take a standard US service weapon, with another standard US service weapon as close second, over any and all standard US service weapon?
With the m4 and m16, we are taught as part of going to condition one, is to tap the bottom of the magazine to ensure its inserted fully, as well as tapping the forward assist. This new rifle magazine issue will create new troubleshooting problems that didn't ever exist before.
As soon as Brandon says he's limiting the jokes & focusing on detail, I immediately hone in. I love his humor, but hes also a good teacher because of his mixture of knowledge, passion, AND humor. The longer I've watched, the more I've realized he's a gem on UA-cam. Some special or even paid educational content would be amazing though.
This was incredibly fair. A decent number of good features, not a whole lot of bad features, but the bad features are pretty damn noticeable. Extremely curious about it. And of course I want one.
Over insertion of the mag will be a huge problem for the Army. Doctrine right now for loading an M4 is to insert the mag and tap the bottom upwards. For immidiate action it states "Forcfully tap upward onto the base plate of the magazine" and then rack the charging handle and reasses. I believe this will be a major issue and it might lead to revisions on the A1 model if it ever gets to that point anyway.
@@mrnukeduster i was going on s rant about how most weapon systems have problems when they first come out(last round not firing in the m1 garand, M16 problems etc) but decided it wasn't worth it so deleted that part. More importantly, systems develop over time. An early M16 doesn't stack up to the rifles we have now. We need to give systems a little more time to grow before casting final judgement.
No it's not, because this isn't the rifle the Army is going to be using. The XM-7 is a 6.8x51 / .277 Fury and uses a different magazine. Something this bad would've definitely come up in trials. This is likely a result of adapting to 7.62x51 / .308 for a civvy market variant and looser tolerances to allow for a wide range of AR-10 pattern magazines.
The issue with over insertion comes from the P-Mag. The Lancer mags are superior and eliminate the issue. Plus they look super cool and similar to a SCAR mag.
Feed ramps being separate is probably because it's a wear item like you said. The M4 had issues with rounds like M855A1 chipping the feed ramp, so since this rifle was designed around armor piercing capabilities it future proofs it a bit.
It also means if you got to change up a feed ramp geometry in the future, you don't have to replace the upper. The rifle has a lot of upside that people don't want to admit.
@@bamesjond4128 but selling In multiple markets with the same base upper by making the ramp removable instead of machining it in could simplify caliber changes while reducing skus the have to make and allow them to use higher wear ramps
Im just still amazed at how close Arma 3 got to nailing what they thought Americas next service rifle would look like, pretty sure they're even chambered in 6.8 in the game
The MX in Arma is actually chambered in 6.5 but yeah pretty fuckin close. Which isn't really surprising considering they asked an actual gun manufacturer to design a next gen rifle for them
The over insertion thing is kinda serious, especially considering I was taught in the military to hit the mag like twice on the bottom to make sure it's in all the way. That'll be a really big issue with this gun
Also, people who wear oversized body armor get their heads pushed down towards the ground by their ACH while in the prone and almost ALWAYS end up using the magazine for stability opposed to a sandbag. I've even been in the prone in some shitty spots in combat where you have no choice but to put force on the magazine, or get your head blown off. If I can stop the action on reload, it most likely can do the same thing during cycling, with applied pressure. Terrible design flaw.
This XM7 feels like our generations M14. Something based on the older gen rifle that "just worked" but will lead to some actual new development progress
@@CheekRunner well yeah but it led to other, amazing rifles being invented directly due to its failure is the point. This rifle is going to suck, but it's going to spawn something afterwards that's amazing.
@@Optimusprime56241 The scar is a combat proven weapon, the Sig is not. And based on one can insert a magazine too hard and make the gun fail,(potentially killing the user) is a big big problem.
@@Optimusprime56241 you do understand military equipment is a shittier quality right? And the scar was adopted for SOCOM operators, the mk16(5.56), mk17(7.62), mk20(7.62 )precision rifle. Etc.
Big part of the weight issue is likely the new 6.8 rnd. This this is operating at something like 80K psi. EVERYTHING (springs, barrel, bolt, et al) is going to have to be over-engineered (as compared to .308 standard) to deal with those kind of pressures. The mag issue is a big one.
Yep. But I wonder why woukd the 7.62 version have the features to handle the milspec 6.8 though. Is it that the cartridges are interchangeable, or to be precise quick swappable (by barrel swap and maybe bolt face)?
@@ilmtbuilt to the same specs to save money on tooling/production lines. If the only difference is literally the bore of the barrel then you’re have less production cost.
Yeah I don't know why he never addressed the elephant in the room that the actual rifle the military will be fielding uses a smaller round, has less weight, and with less recoil. I suspect this rifle will be better in what it was intended to be chambered for rather than 7.62.
That "the check cleared" bit at the end was pure gold. The over insertion issue is going to be a major problem for the front line troops that will be potentially engaging enemy combatants on daily basis. Adrenaline will be flowing and they will be doing thing by muscle memory. Hopefully they fix that issue before it gets handed to the troops.
The military version uses lancer sr25 mags and I think those have a over insertion tab that the magpul don’t same reason the gen2 pmags had the same issue in the m4 hence the gen3 having tabs
It's even military SOP to smack the bottom of the mag if experiencing issues to ensure the mag is inserted properly - which will of course cause this exact problem. This is almost definitely going to get fixed. If not in the gun itself, they'll change the mags they issue to prevent it.
I mean to be fair the m4 had a hell of a lot of issues when it first came out shits a new gun give them a few years to iron out all the issues and see if its liked but the people who use it in combat
it's hilarious because the sig p320 also has a major issue with over-inserting mags it's actually worse with the p320 because over-insertion will fuck up the extractor and that's basically a permanent fuckup
They kind of made that happen. I was in the 82nd and we almost had enough acogs for everyone, still ran a few CCOs per team just to have a better close up option but that was a deliberate decision. I disagreed with running just aimpoints when acogs were an option but it wasn’t my call.
after talking with a number of people i know in the army who have been issued and certified on the Spear/XM-7, theyve all loved it. the optics it comes issued with, as well as the suppressors are the main reasons the guys love it. i dont forsee it ever fully replacing the m4/m16 but i like it after having shot a 6.8 variant myself.
Just got out of the marine corps. We adopted the H&K m27 and besides it being heavier and longer then the m4 while keeping the same max effective, and that sometimes it would feed the new rounds so hard that it would bend the bullet against the chamber breech. But other than that it’s waayyy better than the m4. With the charging handle. Idk what it is but all the mil rifles have ass charging handles
I just think that the better available AR charging handles are all way to expensive. The military is never gonna buy a $50 (or more) charging handle from a reputable company, do all the testing to make sure it meets the TDP, and then issue one for each rifle.
Long story short if my cousin Jack was still around today I'd buy him that shirt. First of his 3 tours in Vietnam he earned it and his first court-martial; of 5. Something about shooting a VC right in the head after crossing a stream that marked the border out in the jungle. Well he shouldn't a turned and gave his unit the finger.
Just means it's not Socom approved. The Scar 16 was denied as the new service weapon for introducing a jam that would take the weapon out of service. It's kinda shocking this was missed.
@@Azure1Zero4 Is it really shocking? That the company that just happens to get most if not all the new weapon contracts, just happened to get this type of issue by the "testing"?
@@internetmeta Not to me. SIG has a tendency now a days to rush things to market and silently fix issues overtime. Happened with the early MPX models. The army found the issue with early P320's. I personally would only buy a Sig platform if its been around a while and is proven reliable.
@@Azure1Zero4 Yeah, so in other words we are back to dealing with colts bullshit again. A lot of dead soldiers in our future, just so SIG can rush something to market.
This is what we need for the ATF! Imagine having an ATF director review new US military combar rifles and gives his opinion about other shit, WE NEED THIS!
I think a lot of it will boil down to the new cartridge. It’s important to remember that the gun was designed around the 6.8mm round, which has way higher pressure than .308. Kind of explains why it’s so beefy. If 6.8 is as revolutionary as so many believe, it could make a lot of those quirks worth it. If it’s oversold though, I don’t think this gun will be around long.
the revolutionary nature of 6.8 is the two material cartridge, something that could have been applied to existing rounds, but wasn't because then you can't sell as many parts.
Good point, but that additional power and weight needs to do something better than .308, if it is armor penitration, then you can simply load up AP ammo in your SCAR and be good to go with way less recoil than .277 Fury. So maybe they want better engagement distance? 6.5 Creedmoor has been useful out to 1000 yards, so they want to go even further I guess, but then you have to ask what the barrel life is of .277 Fury because even 6.5 Creedmoor struggles with that over .308 due to high chamber pressure and heat generation. Maybe they want a longer range AP capability, then I would have to see how much AP range they gained and what it can actually go through. Their are a lot of things that confuse me about the choice of going back to a battle rifle at all in the first place for entire squads, not to mention the logistics.
It didn't. Brandon is shooting a .308 conversion of the MCX Spear. It's not meant to fire that. Sig Sauer is manufacturing magazines specifically for the MCX Spear - chambered in 6.8x51mm. Brandon is shooting with a .308 PMAG. No wonder he's running into issues
@@merxanity1625 That would almost certainly explain the gas issues, probably even why its less gassy with a supressor (although it could just be that Brandon has an amazing .308 suppressor), why the charging handle is stiff, etc. The mag over-insertion - out of all the issues is a "maybe". Again, I feel like at this point, 60 years on from the adoption of the M16 a lot of these logistical issues have been sorted, and once the rifle is actually issued with the proper magazines, and civilian companies get around to making the aftermarket magazines like magpull PMAGs and such it'll probably remedy its self. Even if magazine over-insertion is an issue there's probably a very simple way to remedy it
@@brinkee7674 The only real mystery here is why Sig thought it was a good idea to send Brandon a .308 MCX Spear when its not going to be sold, issued or traded - ever
Some replies in comments are saying its only an issue with the civilian chambered 308 and Brandon using AR10 mags, and that its not an issue on the military variant
@@pangboi3453 In war you use all you can get. Take a look to Ukraine. If you need to use a civilian Magazin, you will use it. There is no acceptance for jamming.
I don't think I've ever inserted a P-mag into one of my AR's without hitting it HARD into the mag well. If a guy with a headscarf is shooting back, with THIS rifle: "Houston, we have a problem."
The over insertion issue: Many were trained to slap the magazine up and in, to make sure it was in and ready to go. This design will get them killed. Their mother would say that is more than "an issue". Weight is what makes a rifleman hate a rifle. That's two strikes. Field clean/adust issues make it a greasy pain in the hand, and the charging handle a pain in the pinky finger. There is only one reason the Army would consider a weapon with these three killer issues.
A good number of these issues will probably get fixed, like the magazine could have the part that sticks immediately underneath the magwell made much thicker, so it can't slip under, which'd be super easy to fix, just send new mags with a thicker section (they probably have already done that), and the side charging handle is the primary charging handle so it probably won't be that big an issue. Weight is a big problem, but that's hard to really talk about for any side.
Oh no, oh my, it’s almost like this rifle is experiencing what literally, every, fucking, new weapon a military has ever used has gone though. All new technologies have their teething issues, that get addressed and fixed pretty damn quickly. This video is already 2 years old, and I don’t doubt most of these problems have already been addressed by now. And oh no, our service members needing to drink a little more milk to use a little 9 pound gun, how horrible they need to actually stay in shape for their line of work. lmao, give me a break
@@yeeters2347 have seen finlands new service rifle that is started to be delivered next year made by sako oh noe it had exatly same problems and hk complained it to some court and was immediatly rejected it is same as usa new service rifle but more refined hell yes
its a running gag with small arms that make it into government service. too many bureaucrats and special interests getting in the way of function and good engineering.
The government will lie to you give you a pamphlet for your "self cleaning" m-16... then you die when your gas system is gunked up because you didn't clean the gas system... but yes trust them.
Vietnam, when the army was forced into the m16:riflemahatma jammed and thousands of American troops killed and wounded because their rifle would not fire in a firefight with the Vietcong ! Hundreds if not thous😂ands of American troops died and were wounded because they were forced to use this damm rifle that would fire one shot then would jam leaving American troops with nothing but a weak club to fight with! Johnson and the secetary of defense should have been arrested and executed for treason against america!
1. I think people often forget just how rough the m16 introduction was and how much it changed over its service life. The same can be said about the SCAR. 2. It was a competition at the end of the day someone had to win and SIGs submission was by far the most conservative and pragmatic option. I think polymer case is cool and all but we aren't there yet and the other designs relied on radical cartridge designs.
@@dogwoodhillbilly There are a dozen other problems with this, and a bayonet is less useful than fixing literally any of the issues it already has would be. If you're close enough to poke something with a bayonet you're close enough that a pistol will do the job just fine.
@@KeterMalkuth if you could apply the Steel and brass cases to 6mm Arc i personal think that would be great. Largest I would go to if it had to be bigger to do the hybrid casing i would probably use a 6mmx47. keep the m4 gas system make the barrel 13.5 inches. As well as keep the flow through suppressor by sig. Frankly the suppressor they made for the xm7 was pretty damn nice. I definitely would keep the pressure 80k because gunpowder's are constantly changing I think it's perfectly fine
The M16 was mostly sound on introduction, the main problem being Robert MacNamara wanting to save money on gunpowder which proceeded to fuck up the rifles which were running very well before that. He had cleaning kits and chrome lined chambers and bores nixed for the same reason. The NGSW is absurdly retarded on paper.
The over insertion thing is honestly crazy. I’m assuming that this may be a little different with the new caliber, but I’m not really sure. Either way they got to fix that.
All of my concerns for the XM7 revolve around that new round. The mechanical bits you had (legitimate) gripes about can be easily fixed without causing major issues with the use of the gun. But the pressures and velocities they're claiming to be getting out of that 6.8 cartridge almost guarantee that it is going to go through barrels faster than Lizzo goes through fudgsicles.
I'm fairly certain the US Military isn't concerned with this as the current belief is that in near peer conflict it was supposedly adopted for it doesn't matter if the barrel only lasts 1000 or so rounds as due to the nature of the conflict you're highly likely to need a replacement rifle due to it being lost or damaged due to other means before you shoot that many rounds through it. Which has apparently been somewhat confirmed by the war in Ukraine
I was considering it as an option, then Brndon said it had that over-incretion problem with the magazine, and I was a little hesitant after that. THEN he literally held up the FN SCAR (.308), and compared the weight and price differences and I'm not so considering anymore.
(Another one of the many levels of irony) the military just made their physical requirements less strict, and now they are adopting a heavier rifle that will require a combat loadout with less rounds. 😂
@@sfertonoc well there’s a spoonful of women in actual combat roles and base entry requirements are different from specific MOS/AFSC/RATE requirements as well. Most of the military is just desk jobs. Still need to be reasonably fit for deployment and even more fit for augmentee into fighting roles. Let’s be honest here too, any woman that’s willing to put infantry probably wants to be there and shouldn’t be complaining.
There was definitely some deals made with SIG considering they’ve won not just a pistol, rifle, and SAW contract, but will also likely win the MMG contract. However, for a corruption winner, they’re still putting out some good weapons. The SIG spear is also in its first real production models and I’m sure the issues it faces (except the weight problem) will get smoothed out. The M4 and M16 platforms are good but also ran into some notoriously bad issues on the first batches they pushed out.
I really don’t believe it’s corruption. Looking at early trials of the NGSW program, all the other companies were trying things way too different that seemed way too promising/good to be true. Like TecTrons bull pup with half-plastic casings and a short integral suppressor-yes it’s cool, but it’s got so much going on that it was bound to loose. The XM7 at its core is just a sig MCX in a battle rifle caliber, both things that are pretty tried and true.
@@extragoogleaccount6061 yeah, even negating any corruption factors, SIG was still bound to win cuz of their decision to make their prototypes just an upgrade of what we already have as opposed to other platforms that would require more significant re-training, adaptation, and restructuring of logistical chains.
i will say that on AR-10's I've handled, i have had issues with over insertion on p-mags in particular on other similar platforms. So it may not necessarily be a gun issue.
Doesn’t matter that much when it’s two whole ass pounds and is the size of a god damn sausage. But hey “tactical and modular” make the brass, and. bean counters cream their pants so why not.
10:55 I would assume that the replaceable face on the case deflector has to do with the fact that the new cartridge has a steel base...and aluminum doesn't last too long when it gets peened by a fast moving steel object thousands of times.
The PMag it comes with isn’t as good as the Lancer Hybrid Polymer Mags with steel feed lip. As a matter of fact the Lancer Mags are the Official Mags for the NGSW program. I just bought a Spear .308 and have acquired the Lancer Mags. Will not even use the PMag that comes with it.
Nonetheless, the Spear's factory mag catch lug could stand to be slightly wider to seat into the magazine's catch slot better. The Magpul PMag overinsertion lip under the slot is not particularly shallow; SIG simply made the magwell's clearances a little too generous, and didn't compensate with a bigger mag catch lug.
@@ostiariusalpha It has to do with the plastic catch lug getting sheared. I had a similar experience with one of my Magpul mags when I got a little carried away smacking it in. The lug actually got sheered a bit. Otherwise my Stag 10 never had the issue again.
I like how they made it possible to convert it to be left handed, and I assume the gassing and maybe even the mag trouble could be different when its chambered in the round it was designed with. They really had a lot of really cool ideas that Im really excited to see used elsewhere
@@paulgorie2103lefty shooter here. Other people might have other experiences, but shotguns, semiauto rifles, bolt guns, lever guns -- I've never really had any issues shooting right-handed long guns. (Haven't shot any bullpups/full auto, however)
@@BaritoneMonkey tbh, im an Aussie. So ive never heard of guns 🤣🤣😥 but our army uses the AUG. And ive always wondered how badly my neck would burn if i fired it
I must say that I love how it looks. The lmg version in particular gave me the tingles. -So just how bad is the charging handle? "It's super hard in the worst way" -Why Sig made it so heavy when they KNOW it's going to be carried around all day by some poor soldier is just baffling. -The "over insertion mag" is also a "how the fuck didn't they notice this" kind of issue. With how easy it is to achieve there's no way they didn't run into that issue while testing the gun....... And it's an issue that will actually get it's user killed if it happens in a firefight. -It is rather amazing that a gun company as big and long lived as Sig managed to recreate issues that have NOT been issues for more 20+ years.
Sig is also the company that brought out the Cross rifle, a bolt action that would fail to fire when pulling the trigger, and fire when you put an ounce of pressure on the bolt handle to clear it afterwards. So yeah, checks out for Sig.
I feel like they messed up some dimensions on the charging handle, and then cerakoted it or something. They didn't account for the thickness change after cerakoting, because, you know, it's Sig.
Over inserting pmags is an issue on AR15 platforms as well. The latest AR15 mags have a lip that prevents it. Looking at the website, none of the AR10 mags have it.
I would say that over-insertion problem is huge in a combat situation. Everything else he talked about in the way of cons seems fairly minor to me, but that one is for me a deal-breaker. I wouldn't mind having one for a range day, but I wouldn't want to take it into combat knowing it has that particular issue.
Honestly that could happen with any semi-automatic firearm.... People have gotten used to jamming magazines in the Glocks really hard, but even some pistols if you jam a magazine up in there too hard you will bend the ejector, could even bend the feed lips. That's definitely a concern though they are going to have to put a small ledge around the inside of their as a mag stop, unless it's the magazine itself, which to me look like it was made out of plastic and could be flexing.
Sig Spear is just an answer to a question that's already been solved. Many of faults and failures we see of "5.56" is almost completely grounded to the M855, while the M855A1 and Mk318 mod 0/1 have shown promising results but didn't have the opportunity to really bare it's teeth in combat. The closest we can say is the MK 262 mod 0/1 as it shares much similarity to the Mk.318 in design and build, and according to those who used it, the Mk. 262 is an amazingly effective round.
I have heard the main reason for the new caliber is the concern over better and more widely available armor in the future, that and modern optics allowing for combat at longer ranges which compounds with the armor issue. I am guessing they didn't want to go back to full power rifle cartridges for the same reasons they adopted the intermediate 5.56 in the first place.
I'd say to the critics of that: Just increase barrel length. If you're fighting in areas where you're expected to have tons of flat land. Make a compromise, instead of the 14.5 inch M4A1 just make it 16 inch carbines and add some barrel length. Inches make a huge difference when it comes to velocity and energy output. The military is repeating the same mistake when they replaced the M193 with M855 because M855 was able to penetrate russian helmets at farther distances. Except to a larger scale. They're trying to make a golden goose where you can use this gun in ANY environment with no changes to it's design-and that just simply doesn't work. It feels like it's gonna be another case where they keep making consecutive changes to make it work somewhat only to realize "fuck it, we're not spending more money on this bitch."
@@TheTISEOMan I mean barrel length is an issue to begin with, and a longer barrel can be used on the new ammo if the need arises, as in at the same length of barrel the new cartridge will perform better at range. The flaws Brandon mentioned don't seem that major as in could be fixed but I could be wrong and they might be a result integral things to the design. That being said I could see the cost being an issue, as in not enough of an upgrade to replace your entire armory, for instance in my opinion the SCAR and HK416 are superior to the M4 but perhaps not enough to justify the cost, which is I believe the reason why the US military decided against it, in 5.56 at least as I think the SCAR-H stayed around.
@@explodingpotato6448 The point I'm getting at is they want a rifle with a very short barrel length to perform well at farther ranges, like in afghanistan-while keeping good ballistics and post penetration effects as well as barrier/armor piercing capabilities. The problem is, that's a golden goose, they are literally saying "I want this rifle to be good at EVERYTHING" my point is not increasing the barrel length of the XM7 (God forbid the weight at that point, weight can kill), but the barrel length of AR patterned rifles that we already have. Every attempt we've made to go Short-stroke has revolved back to going "Eh... Gas impingement is better for our needs" This is another cycle where we will realize what we have is already good enough, if so, a few adjustments here or there. It'll be another case of this and I'm sitting here waiting with my "I told you so" card to anybody who shilled the XM7 and heralded as the second coming of Christ.
@@explodingpotato6448 Even before Ukraine, it was pretty clear that any future "near peer" war would mean that infantry would have to go back to digging trenches and foxholes again and crawl around on their bellies and shoot from prone position, like in the good old days. That means body armor of the kind that is common now won't play much of a role and combat will mostly be the storming of trenches and other enemy positions, which means short range. The switch to a bigger caliber with all the drawbacks never made any sense to me, especially not the justification that it is because of Russia and China. This only makes sense in some "shooting from hill top to hill top in Afghanistan"-scenario and those times are over.
Right. It's a design from the 60's (AR18) that they beefed up, made out of aluminum, and developed ridiculously overpressure ammunition for in order to meet the military's unrealistic requirements for. Which isn't really a knock on Sig or the XM7 as much as it is on the Pentagon for being big stupid. Again. Still. Sig (and the other entrants) did their best meeting trying to meet silly goals set by silly people. Is the XM7 a good rifle? Yeah. Is the XM7 (especially in 6.8x51) a good rifle *for mass full-fleet fielding to a military composed of a diverse number of heights, weights, strengths, body types, and both genders?* Absolutely not.
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 Not really, it's a full power battle rifle meant for full fleet adoption. By the infantry at first, initially, but bean counters gonna count beans and push for military wide adoption eventually, regardless of how fast parts wear out and how difficult it is for smaller statured soldiers to use it. Just like the M14.
I wonder if this is gonna be like the UCP. Oh lets pick this cool looking thing over the shit that has been working forever now. Then a few years later "Oh no this shit sucks lets switch again." But then again I might be kinda bias to the old woodland and M4s
From what I understand, the M7 was not originally designed to have a T charging handle. In field testing, the guys running the gun kept going to charge with the T handle
So maybe that T charging handle is so terrible for a reason - once the grunts start training with it, and see how terrible it is, they'll switch to the side handle organically, and the next rifle won't have a T handle at all. Sig is playing 4d chess here.
the infantry rifle i think is better suited for a unit's designated marksman instead of a universal grunt standard but the sniper rifle and machine gun i've seen seem pretty good for their intended roles at a glance
I'm pretty sure that is the point. We will probably see another MG added to each infantry squad and all the riflemen being trained like DM with the new scope. This new optic has the ability to calculate and adjust the reticle, its insane.
I believe the over insertion of the magazine is 100% due to the polymer magazine. I have a ddm4v7p and it came with the Daniel defense polymer magazine. I was able over insert that magazine several times, however once I switched to a metal magazine I had no issue with over insertion.
Ok you gotta review the RM277. It was the main competitor, has a wacky can and a wackier ammo type, and they're suing the US government for making a biased choice by picking the SIG (which supposedly performed worse than the RM277 in trials) because of the handgun partnership they already have. Also a bullpup, so definitely a fun comparison.
I heard they are bringing it to the civilian market supposedly. I haven't heard anything about the Textron entry, but it would be cool to see more of both of them and see what people think about the losers of the competition. Textron's rifle has even wackier caseless ammo and a seemingly over complicated operating system.
That side charging handle does seem like it would make things easier. Can rack a round without having to take your eyes off the target. Also like how we both said something to the extent of "That's a very long spring." at the same time (feel like said spring will be the most annoying part of reassembly) lol Edit: The over-insertion would definitely be an issue, even more so since on an M4/M16 you could slap that mag like a redheaded step-child and it would be fine (sometimes the smacking is required to make sure said mag is inserted completely). I pretty much always give mine a not hard, but firm slap on the bottom to be sure out of reflex
![The M4 vs M7 Sig Spear NGSW [feat. GBRS Group]](/img/n.gif)
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The fact that he's actually able to unironically hold up a Scar 17 as a lighter, more affordable option is just batshit insane
Making the mother of all rifles here, Jack,
Can't fret over every tax payer dollar
@@cideltacommand7169 why
Affordable is civilian talk. Our military doesn't use it if they aren't overpaying. 🤣
@@cideltacommand7169 YOOOOOO MGR REFERENCE
Weight seems pretty comparable when I look up the actual numbers.
That magazine lockup by far seems to be the worst thing about it.
Yea that's insane.
That's regular problem of an early construction, however the fact it somehow wasn't fixed during the trials means it either isn't an issue in correctly chambered rifles or by the second option that someone up there is disconnected or doesn't care about the troops to an insane degree. There is a third possibility that they will just issue those and wait for more problems to come out and fix all of them at once instead of making ten different versions of one rifle in the first year of usage. I would bet the third or maybe the first option, I don't even want to consider what the second option means for us and other countries under american protection.
I feel like it most likely will fix it but you can never really be sure with these things
@@Bolshevik.remover it's only for 308 cuz Brandon used ar10 plastic mag. The military version uses 277 and Sig made their own mags for it
Is there any reason to believe it might not be a problem with the .277 round (or whatever it is) mags? That's it particular to the 7.62 NATO variant?
That mag insertion issue is a 100% deal breaker!! Been deployed several times and when you are in "heat" those mags get abused, and that can't happen.
100 % Agree. That will get someone killed.
i am no gun expert by far so forgive me if this seems like a dumb question ok...cant you or whoever is shooting this weapon insert the mag while the bolt is deployed , or release the bolt before insert ?
@@williamshanks3027 you can insert a mag no matter the position of the "bolt" 🙂
@@williamshanks3027 Which is counterintuitive and actually regressive in technology as dropping the bolt before reloading adds time to a reload and goes against the muscle memory and training on most weapon systems. The bolt will automatically lock back on most modern firearms when firing the last round, leaving the bolt open saves time when inserting a fresh mag and then dropping the bolt. Being able to insert a mag too far is a critical flaw in the weapon system that should be corrected.
Agreed
If it doesn't get corrected, that over insertion jam issue will get someone killed.
That 2-3 seconds with eyes off target is all it takes.
I would think the fact you can jam the rifle just by inserting the magazine would automatically remove this rifle from contention in a war scenario. Trying to unjam your magazine everytime you reload while being shot at is a terribly sure way to end up "not alive".
yea, that's a pretty glaring flaw that should have never made it to production, let alone approval by the military. Something smells here.
It's meant for use with Lancer mags and as such have issues with other mags. It's like complaining that your 416 doesn't have "universal magazine capabilities".
@@desertedgoatgaming well i'm sure the US military will spend the money to replace all of their existing magazines with all new Lancer mags that cost about 50$ a pop. The US military has never been known to cut corners that resulted in unnecessary deaths of US troops and allies (cue exit from afghanistant).
Also i'm pretty sure Brandon used the magazine that came with the rifle which is another huge design flaw that the shipped magazine doesn't fit properly in the rifle.
@@desertedgoatgaming I'm fairly certain Brandon would've used the magazine that came with it. Seems far fetched he'd gone out of his way to disregard the supplied equipment, run out and buy a different type magazine to cause issues. Or to preempt your next argument, bought cheaper spares and didn't notice the loading issue only affected those magazines and not the original. Brandon being the thorough gun guy he is would certainly have noticed something like that and mentioned it.
@@fmrscout33 Military contracts are like 20% actual usability and performance and the rest is whoever sells it the cheapest or sucks the right guy's dick the best. This isn't the first time sig got a military contract that they really shouldn't have (p320/m17 as an example) but here we are. Sig has gotten pretty good at giving head it seems.
I think the biggest lesson I've learned from watching all of Brandon's videos is: Don't make body armor out of cans of White Claw.
Once you've emptied enough cans of White Claw to make body armor out of, you don't need the armor anymore.
sound advice.
thats a good penetration metric since everyone knows that you can go one to one on WC vs. ANTIFA
next Demolition Ranch video
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The rear charging handle was an add on afterthought. In the trials soldiers kept reaching for the back of the rifle to charge it because they are so used to that from the A.R. 15. The military requested Sig add the second charging handle to the rear.
Great info, thank you! But absolute proof of the Marine mind behind these weapons.
wonder how those same troops will no with not slamming the mag home
@@mrtreezz8251 I guess the overinsertion issue is only present on the .308 caliber and not the 6.8 military cartridge, but I cannot prove this obviously.
May as well keep the manual of arms the same since it's already such a similar platform
Yeah, I feel like any future iteration of the rifle (y'know, A1, A2, etc.) will probably do away with the AR-15 style of charging handle as more soldiers get used to the new rifle (assuming they get the chance to).
Dump the rear charging handle. It's superfluous given the ease of actioning the side charge handle (but adapt the folding mechanism) to save weight and simplicity. Also the magwell must be remedied immediately for front-line action when things get heated. (this is the major flaw I feel.
Look at where the stock goes when folded....you can't use the charging handle when it's folded, you need the second charging handle with the stock folded.
@@kylewhite8434 As I stated. dump the rear handle and modify the side one to compensate, or modify the handle, and reduce weight. These weapons MUST be actionable and absolutely reliable to eliminate any requirement for redundancy.
It's cool looking, and of course I want one... But I'll stick to my much cheaper and lighter AR-10 for now.
didn't expect to see you here lol cool
@@emmettmeents2329 I’m an ex Navy Gunners Mate and I have 65 guns. 😋
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@@BlackGryph0n cool
Definitely didn't expect to see you here.
As a veteran, I see the extra steps to disassemble this over the M-4 being a real issue for some not so bright new recruits.
Oh god. Great point. I'm an old dog, BAR to the Pig to the SVD. In the field we must keep it simple. If you have to go fix someone else's weapon, they shouldn't be in your unit. It's a trust issue
That and the training ammo and combat ammo being significantly different pressure levels. It’s not like 9mm 115gr fmj compared to a gold dot either, it’s a significant difference in recoil
@@S1deshowRob Under fire recoil is only managed, you don't feel it, just manage it. Not sure where you're coming from Rob. We always train with what we shoot, shoot with what we trained with. Guessing you're coming at this complete civi side. I used flying ashtrays for years, still do when I snatch a 1911 platform. Doesn't matter the pressure you HIT HIT. John made the point very well that you can't screw up. Belt fed or box, don't screw up. If you cannot keep your weapon functional, you're useless 'cept as an ammo carrier. PTL PTA
Pressure levels don't matter, you hitting does
extra step being the buffer spring? same as a 249, not that much of an issue - would actually assist with teaching new recruits SAW disassembly as it better translates
Nothing a few sessions with a screaming DI cant fix.
the fact that you can over insert a magazine on a COMBAT RIFLE is absolutely mind blowing. Just another item on the list of things that make you go "hmmm" when you think about how a former soccom commander was given a board position on sig shortly before the contract went through for this rifle
lol
The Secretary of Defense stepped down from Raytheon's board to take the job. It's all corrupt.
You would think if he was then he would care about what his former comrades would be stuck with and could cost them severely
Even assuming - and you know what you're doing when you assume - that the magazine overinsertion (Magazine. Magazine, dammit!) issue *could* be specific to the .308 variant of the gun, there are plenty of other significant downchecks to the XM7.
It's sig, every gun they make is a beta version
As a US Army veteran, here's my opinion. Any and all of the pros that I have for this rifle... Are irrelevant, based on the over insertion issue. That in my opinion, if it hasn't been remedied, is grounds for an immediate pause on fielding this rifle for Active Duty use.. Any and every engagement with an enemy force, is an adrenaline fueled moment of intensity that results in the natural occurrence of over exertion of our movements and actions.. In other words, the gentle and careful insertion of the magazine into the rifle during a life threatening event such as a firefight is non existent.. And when time is measured in milliseconds, the act of forcefully wiggling and jerking the overly inserted magazine to a position that gives bolt clearence so the chambering of the round can occur, is unacceptable and will result in the loss of American soldiers lives. Conversation over. No debate. No room for discussion. And it's unimaginable to think that thus issue didn't occur during the rigorous testing by our military. So what the hell??
So 2 things I think you'll find interesting.
1) TFB was interviewing the SIG engineers and the T charging handle was said to be an after thought, originally it was only supposed to have the side charger and that's it.
2) Because of how soldiers are trained the over insertion problem is going to be a big deal because of how we are taught to remediate malfunctions using SPORTS. The thing to note is that many soldiers don't get the range time after basic to effectively train up on a new set of remedial actions to make it second nature, so that is is another layer to the problem.
S: slap the magazine.
P: pull the charging handle
O: observe the chamber
R: release the charging handle
T: tap the forward assist
S: squeeze the trigger
Just to clarify, the Corps at least doesn't use "SPORTS" anymore. Now it's just "Tap, Rack, Bang."
Forward assist and T charging handle ruined this gun and were exact "features" requested by US army commission. Scaling up the SIG550 to 6.8 was supposed to be a relatively simple design.
@@mazdrpan4099 very much agreed
@@scout3058 yeah I can only speak for the Army here
The army doesn't use SPORTS anymore. I think they're using what the Marine Corp does now.
The most captivating thing to me is that, despite the rumblings of the XM7 replacing the M4, and despite all of the differences between the designs, you can still find Eugene Stoner's fingerprints all over this rifle.
I don't think so, Eugene Stoner wouldn't put his hands on this thing. This feels like someone's poor copy of someone's science fair project that won a gold medal years ago. Stoner wouldn't want his tracks on gun that has a crappy mag fed and 2 charging handles that are neither better than a cheap AR.
The SR-25 or the MK11 would probably make a better assault rifle if those weren't DMRs.
Chances are the 240 would possibly be changed over to the new round and the saw gets replaced with this as a sdm. All this assuming that the xm7 doesn't go the way of the scar
@@ndworker they have a machine gun too, the xm250. Garand Thumb has a detailed video on it, and that actually looks like a significant upgrade over the SAW.
@@rain8767 It's still based on Stoner's designs, just added more without his input (because lol he's deceased and the army has it's own requirements)
The AR-15 was made in collaboration with Jim Sullivan's inputs so it's more like Sullivan, Stoner, and possibly a bit of Knight's for the ambi bolt release (not catch, mind you.) Armalite as well, for the AR-18 type external piston and spring system.
All in all, it's still the same design, just a Frankenstein abomination of requirements from different designs, with Stoner still being related to all of it. It's just not what he wanted or had in mind, especially in the weight.
@@rain8767 it's literally a modern take on the AR18, one of his designs.
The mag jam screams to be a major nightmare once that gun/magazine is worn down and causes it to happen especially in combat.
Good thing it won't be using ar10 mags in combat
@@casematecardinal Probably using shittier mass produced mags
So much for all those "TAP, RACK, BANG" drills..
Lancer got the magazine contract
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2:05 He's channeling his inner garand thumb
Like other US military weapons, this seems like a small arm that was designed by committee and ends up function more like a Frankenstein firearm than a coherently designed one. For example, the rear charging handle was added because military brass didn't think the grunts would be smart enough to charge a rifle any other way.
The grunts aren’t smart enough. The average soldier knows less about guns than the average civilian gun owner.
@@thetman0068 Then they shouldn't have any problem with side charging.
If you wanted to see a weapon that was designed by a committee then you should look at Textron's entry lol. It ejected right where your hand goes to grip it 😆
Bureaucracy kills creativity and ensures your final product will never be innovative.
Theyre probably going to iterate on it like they do with most guns, it's normal, the m4 was iterated on a shit ton till the point it's basically maxed out and they need a new one
An overlooked feature of the new rifle is that the buffer tube is hollow, so it's a great place to store your lube, treasure maps, or love letters from fellow squad mates.
So you're the MF'er that put the scorpion in the M16A1 buttstock! That SOB almost got me!
If it doesn't fit 4-5 Crayola's the marines are going to flip shit.
@@2fathomsdeeper thats EVIL LMAOOO
I feel the magazine over insertion would definitely be a stress issue when you out this weapon into combat. Very solid review
Absolutely
I think the sig spear was designed for lancer mags not pmags. So that might be the issue.
Devils advocate, and former combat arms with the US Army. Never understood folks using a great deal of force to load a mag into an empty weapon. Yeah, if the bolt is closed slap that fucker in and make sure it locks in, but if the bolt is open it's quick and smooth insert.
I just feel like new recruit freaking out in a firefight will slam that fucker in. Maybe a secondary mag catch could be helpful. Unsure about lancer v. Pmags
@@YourTechpriest adrenaline and fear fuck with you.
I don’t understand what was wrong with the AR10. Couldn’t they just switch back to 308 with the AR10 if the military wanted a heavier round. It just doesn’t seem like a massive improvement.
Ok, but how are they supposed to make massive profits from AR10's?
that over-insertion problem should be a deal-breaker. imagine hitting the dirt and the mag jams your gun
Yikes, i was thinking about similar stuff. Imagine the adrenaline in you as your under fire trying to reload your rifle... are you gonna think about lightly inserting the magazine?
@@stoneyq4259some dudes even get into the habit of doing a mag check smack to make sure its seated, imagine giving it a smack and it makes it worse lmao
My only thing is, it could be easily fixed with a different mag or the one he has may be damaged. And with that said, the protrusion of the mag catch is adjustable, so it could just be that gun and is easily fixable
@@Ixxlostinaboxis actually part of the training. Last thing you want is to pull the trigger and the mag falls out... I do it with pistols and rifles, and it's a very subconscious action.
@@dustyimler9163you are assuming that because the ar platform has the ability to adjust the catch. I would assume Brandon has the smithing skills to know this as well and would hope he checked it. My first impulse is that the problem is not able to be adjusted away. But I am also assuming.
I think the mag jam is a critical failure of the gun that needs to be fixed, but (at least to me), it seems like a fairly fixable issue. It just can't go out to soldiers with that happening.
I agree. With the amount of adrenaline pumping through your veins during a fire fight, this is guaranteed to happen more often than not.
Yeah an issue like that could be life or death in some circumstances.
@thegunsngloryshowIt won't matter how broken in the gun is, that won't fix the problem. The mag well is out of spec, it's a manufacture problem.
@@gonehuntn3261 As with any new product there is a learning process like cars and trucks to manufacturing lines it will get worked out he acts like no one will never fix or listen to reason again. As stated above the scar is not cheaper to manufacture or light but it has been around for a little while.
That's for sure the worst of it...but I would have never expected the charging mechanism to be that terrible on a sig...
This is actually more thorough/detailed than most of the "reviews" on YT.
It's not even in the correct caliber, so it doesn't even matter. This video is just a gimmick
It's not going to be adopted
@@ndworker it was already adopted 😂 weather it actually ends up being the main squad weapon is another story though
@@ndworker it already has been
He literally said nothing about the actual rifle performance or the scope that was specifically designed to be used with it.
It feels like we're moving backwards in time. We started with the M1 Garand in WW2 which weighed 9.5 lbs. The military then debutes the M1 Carbine which was very popular due to its weight (but a bit underpowered). We then briefly adopt the M14 which was a dinosaur gun compared to the AK due partially to its weight. We finally get the M16/M4 which has been great because it combines something low weight (6.4lbs) with a potent intermediate cartridge. Now we're back to a 9lb rifle and a heavy cartridge for some reason.
Exactly. Why don't we just go back to the AR-10 with modern cartridges?
The Military is loaded with 308 Ammo for their machine guns. Why not just get a AR everyone is used to in 308/7.62. Well no kickbacks from manufacturers. Anything wrong with the 5.56??, Longer range? Swap a longer barrel and use heavier 223 bullets. Guess Varmint hunters can hit whatever at 500YDS with a 223. But the Military can't
Simply put, .277 sig fury because they wanted something heavier hitting than 5.56 from short barrels but also wanted something that can reach out to a farther range than 5.56 from a short barrel. You forget that .277 sig fury is a 150gr bullet that can achieve 3000fps out of a 16" barrel, whereas with 5.56 you'll be getting just under 3000fps from a 16" barrel & only be pushing a 62gr bullet. .277 sig fury is also designed to defeat near peer body armor in cqb
@@WillyK51So you're saying the MK12 is already the perfect rifle? Wrong!! obviously an extremely complicated aluminum billet receiver is an intrinsically better design. More bumps and ridges! More rough geometry! More fiddly knobs and jiggly doodads!
@@WillyK51 The reason is that in Afghan, the engagement distances were too far for 5.56 and the enemy knew it so they would sit outside of the max range for 5.56 and engage our forces. Our only options were m240 or the m2. There needed to be another weapon system to either replace the m4 for those situations or a weapon system to fill the gap. You could keep both the 5.56 and the 6.8 but it makes the logistics side more of a hassle.
The muscle memory of forcing the magazine or even slapping to confirm it’s seated before sending the bolt forward would be a hard train for a lot of soldiers. That’s how I knew it was actually going to load haha
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@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56I have a fn-15 m16 military collectors if u use Gi metal mags u gotta slap the SHIT out of fully loaded mags
It would be the opposite to what we've trained for honestly. I used to use the AK5C(Swedish standard, 5.56mm) and hitting the bottom of the mag to ensure it's comepletely inside feels great, and to unlearn for something like this gun is weird.
@@texturk6092 a lot of guns need the magazine umphed with elbow grease into that magwell when it’s fully loaded
The magazine over-inserntion issues is definitely the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed. Your adrenaline in a combat situation is going to be sky high. You're going to be doing everything fast and hard. That issue can be the difference between life and death for our guys overseas.
Edit: I wrote this comment before the part of the video that Brandon said the exact same thing as me
The problem is nonexistent in the military 6.8 spec; the issue you see is only with civilian .308 models using AR10 mags.
@@FuzedBox The magazines are the exact same across all models. The gun is made for SR25 pattern magazines therefore it should work with all SR25 pattern magazines. The mag in this video is a magpul SR25 mag.
It’s the magpul mag that was the issue just like the gen 1 and 2 pmags had in the m4
The pics I've seen show Lancer mags, not PMAGs, for issue with the XM7.
Yeah i could tell just by looking at it that it hadn't been super battle tested like that. It just has that look that whoever designed hasn't been in too many gunfights.
Making the scar seem light and cheap is a real feat
SCAR17 is pretty light for a reliable 308 gas gun. LMT, KAC and HK are all heavier for the direct competing models.
Don't forget about the Tavor7, 9lbs is still lighter than the 9.2lbs 16" XM7. T7 is as short as you can get(26.75") with 16.5" CHF CL 308 and it balances at the pistol grip(!) after equip w/ a can. It has fully ambi features including switching CH and ejection side in 2mins w/o any tool. And a 4-position gas selector: including adverse making it more reliable in bad environments and OFF making it a quieter single shot 308.
With all that greatness I usually see it from only $1.7-1.9k!
I think the bigger part of the deal with XM7 is the high-pressure 6.8 and NGSW scope...We can forget about both for now(or ever).
scars are cheap. they lost to the g3 in portugal lmfao
@@rustys.1070 The G3 is the king of battle rifle designs and I will die on that hill
@@shockwave6213Not the most modern and ‘modular’ platform though. XM7 also has nearly identical operation features as the M16/4 platform. Think that’s a strong selling point from a manual of arms and training aspect.
@@sigspearthumb7993 I won't argue the manual of arms familiarity aspect. I'm just disappointed nobody has tried to "modernize" the G3. Developing a polymer or hybrid polymer/steel (or Aluminum) frame, bolt hold open and release and extended push button mag release. All things I imagine could be done FAIRLY easily with RND. I have seen push button release extensions done by German armorers for the MSG 90.
On the subject of over-insertsion:
This is why the AK paddle mag will always be king: that paddle is a built in torque wrench, always the right torque.
I'd be more than happy to have a podcast of Brandon just sitting down and talking about whatever he wants. I just like the way you think about things and the jokes you throw in.
I want to see him on Nick Rekieta's Friday show.
@@fellwind I want to see so many people with rekieta!
really do wish he'd take Donut's old spot and be the third co-host on Unsub
He already kind of does this when he shows up on the Unsubscribe Podcast.
You enjoy prepared media, like all of us....
Just enjoy and play with your trunnion like the rest of us, don't beg.
Im into gardening, chihuahua-ish dogs, pussy and conversations with real humans...
What are you into... in The real World...
I remember making a meme about this being sold while still in prototype stage while HK still wouldn’t sell the MP7 or G36 in the US…
Cause HK are fudds
Save for the SL8...
That's because of german export laws I believe
@@CircaSriYak they have a gigantic factory in Georgia they can build them here if they wanted. There’s no patent infringement it’s been long enough
@@bradenmchenry995 interesting. yeah they have no excuse if so lmfao.
sounds like a "Colt of Germany" situation
That over insertion thing is crazy, but I really doubt the Army would spend billions to give their infantrymen a rifle with such a glaring defect. If this rifle does pass the trial phase, that's definitely gonna get fixed before they move foreword.
All I will say is Springfield Armory from like 1890-1970s
The military industrial complex is indifferent to the lives of Soldiers.
May I introduce you to the original M16?
@supersleepy6295 ill take the m16 over any standard service weapon the US military has ever issued their war fighters. The Garand is a close second.
@@Icarusdecending82 So you'll take a standard US service weapon, with another standard US service weapon as close second, over any and all standard US service weapon?
With the m4 and m16, we are taught as part of going to condition one, is to tap the bottom of the magazine to ensure its inserted fully, as well as tapping the forward assist. This new rifle magazine issue will create new troubleshooting problems that didn't ever exist before.
As soon as Brandon says he's limiting the jokes & focusing on detail, I immediately hone in. I love his humor, but hes also a good teacher because of his mixture of knowledge, passion, AND humor. The longer I've watched, the more I've realized he's a gem on UA-cam. Some special or even paid educational content would be amazing though.
This checks ✔out
Who’s your daddy?
@@globalautobahn1132😏
Jump up on that D and do a full split
This was incredibly fair. A decent number of good features, not a whole lot of bad features, but the bad features are pretty damn noticeable. Extremely curious about it. And of course I want one.
Not me. Too freaking heavy. If I wanted an M14, I’d buy an M14.
@@taggartlawfirm lmaoooo
Waaah this wepon is too heavy! 😢
@@taggartlawfirm If I wanted an M14 I wouldn't bother. M1 Garand all the way baby!
@@willyb7353Spoken like someone who never spent a entire day on their feet having to carry equipment.
Over insertion of the mag will be a huge problem for the Army. Doctrine right now for loading an M4 is to insert the mag and tap the bottom upwards. For immidiate action it states "Forcfully tap upward onto the base plate of the magazine" and then rack the charging handle and reasses.
I believe this will be a major issue and it might lead to revisions on the A1 model if it ever gets to that point anyway.
First of all, it's still the XM7. X, for experimental.
This will be fixed for the final release.
And second of all?
@@mrnukeduster i was going on s rant about how most weapon systems have problems when they first come out(last round not firing in the m1 garand, M16 problems etc) but decided it wasn't worth it so deleted that part.
More importantly, systems develop over time. An early M16 doesn't stack up to the rifles we have now. We need to give systems a little more time to grow before casting final judgement.
@@megawolfr1986 uhh, they literally sent it to him to give his final judgment on.
No it's not, because this isn't the rifle the Army is going to be using. The XM-7 is a 6.8x51 / .277 Fury and uses a different magazine. Something this bad would've definitely come up in trials. This is likely a result of adapting to 7.62x51 / .308 for a civvy market variant and looser tolerances to allow for a wide range of AR-10 pattern magazines.
The issue with over insertion comes from the P-Mag. The Lancer mags are superior and eliminate the issue. Plus they look super cool and similar to a SCAR mag.
Feed ramps being separate is probably because it's a wear item like you said. The M4 had issues with rounds like M855A1 chipping the feed ramp, so since this rifle was designed around armor piercing capabilities it future proofs it a bit.
It also means if you got to change up a feed ramp geometry in the future, you don't have to replace the upper. The rifle has a lot of upside that people don't want to admit.
since they are going to eventually be 6.8mm then wouldn't that require a new ramp that could drop in?
@@T0tenkampf the military is adopting them in 6.8x51mm. The .308 versions are a commercial market thing.
@@bamesjond4128 but selling In multiple markets with the same base upper by making the ramp removable instead of machining it in could simplify caliber changes while reducing skus the have to make and allow them to use higher wear ramps
I think also with the hybrid case of the 277 fury that instead of just brass on steel it's now steel on steel so it may wear faster
Luckily for SIG their ability to build guns is greatly surpassed by their ability to sell the stuff...
Pretty cool when you drop a small fortune on on a new SIG rifle and they release the actual production run with significant improvements months later.
@@yeliabd1 it's kinda your own fault if you join to Beta-test :D
@@joik2ww269 Live and learn...
@@joik2ww269 100% that’s buying Sig 101. WAIT. They’ll fix the issues next year.
Indeed, it's been the same with every platform they market, I own an mpx and love it, but all there stuff uniformly has issues initially
Im just still amazed at how close Arma 3 got to nailing what they thought Americas next service rifle would look like, pretty sure they're even chambered in 6.8 in the game
Thought the same thing too lol.
The MX in Arma is actually chambered in 6.5 but yeah pretty fuckin close. Which isn't really surprising considering they asked an actual gun manufacturer to design a next gen rifle for them
@PineFox Actually, ArmA III's MX ammo is "Caseless". It's closer to the Winchester CT Polymer one.
Akshually
Bunch of god damn nerds
The top charging handle was added when the army insisted . It originally just came with side
The over insertion thing is kinda serious, especially considering I was taught in the military to hit the mag like twice on the bottom to make sure it's in all the way. That'll be a really big issue with this gun
Huge issue.
marine vet. 100% agree. That's insane to me.
Also, people who wear oversized body armor get their heads pushed down towards the ground by their ACH while in the prone and almost ALWAYS end up using the magazine for stability opposed to a sandbag. I've even been in the prone in some shitty spots in combat where you have no choice but to put force on the magazine, or get your head blown off. If I can stop the action on reload, it most likely can do the same thing during cycling, with applied pressure. Terrible design flaw.
In some armies (germany for example) you mustn't hit the bottom of the mag
If you don’t want to overinsert the magazine, use the magazine designed for the gun in the caliber the gun was designed around.
This XM7 feels like our generations M14. Something based on the older gen rifle that "just worked" but will lead to some actual new development progress
Or just going back to the M4.
The m14 was a terrible rifle
@@CheekRunnerso is this one
Literally an AR-10
@@CheekRunner well yeah but it led to other, amazing rifles being invented directly due to its failure is the point.
This rifle is going to suck, but it's going to spawn something afterwards that's amazing.
"This is certainly... one of the rifles ever made" is literally the best one-line review for any gun ever.
The joke comes from counter strike players.
. . . and he used it here 😅 😮
@@jeffpraterJSF see above forgot to click your reply. . . Lo Siento.
How about "The Design Engineer is very kind to his mother"?
@@jeffpraterJSF No it doesn't. It's from the movie reviews for Morbius. It's a morbius joke.
But Brandon over insertion is an issue with more the magazine then the gun. I’ve had that issue with Colt, DD and others.
The Sig Spear vs Scar is the equivalent to the M14 vs FAL. Love how history keeps repeating itself.
@@user-cu1tm7lj9v is that why the scar never got adopted? 😂😂😂
@@Optimusprime56241 The scar is a combat proven weapon, the Sig is not. And based on one can insert a magazine too hard and make the gun fail,(potentially killing the user) is a big big problem.
@@VIKINGX-rc9tg that’s an issue on the civilian variant not the military one
Both great combat rifles both yet the FAL has its rol as commie remover and the right hand of the free world
@@Optimusprime56241 you do understand military equipment is a shittier quality right? And the scar was adopted for SOCOM operators, the mk16(5.56), mk17(7.62), mk20(7.62 )precision rifle. Etc.
That mag insert problem seems like an unacceptable thing. That’s kinda crazy to think they would send people into battle with that problem.
Sending people into battle is crazy. Full functionality isn't necessary, people are expendable.
Well, the USA did send conscripts to Vietnam with the newly adopted M16 with the wrong type of ammo, causing loads of malfunctions.
They’ll probably have a note of caution in the user’s manual like please carefully insert the magazine for we don’t want to hurt it.
@@phazonlord0098 They also lost.
@@MaggotAddict21 A gun jam can get you and your squad killed I can't believe they didn't fix this.
Big part of the weight issue is likely the new 6.8 rnd. This this is operating at something like 80K psi. EVERYTHING (springs, barrel, bolt, et al) is going to have to be over-engineered (as compared to .308 standard) to deal with those kind of pressures. The mag issue is a big one.
the barrel especially is way heavier than others of similar length
Yep.
But I wonder why woukd the 7.62 version have the features to handle the milspec 6.8 though.
Is it that the cartridges are interchangeable, or to be precise quick swappable (by barrel swap and maybe bolt face)?
@@ilmtbuilt to the same specs to save money on tooling/production lines. If the only difference is literally the bore of the barrel then you’re have less production cost.
Which company paid the most to influence the US military industrial complex and how will that propagate through NATO as the new 'standard' FML
Yeah I don't know why he never addressed the elephant in the room that the actual rifle the military will be fielding uses a smaller round, has less weight, and with less recoil. I suspect this rifle will be better in what it was intended to be chambered for rather than 7.62.
The corruption is that some general is about to retire, and he will be on Sigs board somewhere down the line. 😅
That "the check cleared" bit at the end was pure gold. The over insertion issue is going to be a major problem for the front line troops that will be potentially engaging enemy combatants on daily basis. Adrenaline will be flowing and they will be doing thing by muscle memory. Hopefully they fix that issue before it gets handed to the troops.
Its likely just an issue with the civilian version in .308 as the military version uses custom designed mags instead of standard sr25.
The military version uses lancer sr25 mags and I think those have a over insertion tab that the magpul don’t same reason the gen2 pmags had the same issue in the m4 hence the gen3 having tabs
It's even military SOP to smack the bottom of the mag if experiencing issues to ensure the mag is inserted properly - which will of course cause this exact problem. This is almost definitely going to get fixed. If not in the gun itself, they'll change the mags they issue to prevent it.
@@matthewblackwood9653 the magazines that are getting issued with it have an over insertion tab so it may just be the mags Brandon was using
I can overlook most of the issues, but the mag insert issue is a MASSIVE problem. A deal breaker.
I agree, its on par with the AK-12 safety/selector over extending and blocking the trigger guard.
I mean to be fair the m4 had a hell of a lot of issues when it first came out shits a new gun give them a few years to iron out all the issues and see if its liked but the people who use it in combat
It will be fixed in the A2 or possibly It is already being redesigned
it's overly engineered but has a fatal slip of a cheap toy made in China? And last I check BB guns don't even have this issue. This is f'd up.
it's hilarious because the sig p320 also has a major issue with over-inserting mags
it's actually worse with the p320 because over-insertion will fuck up the extractor and that's basically a permanent fuckup
When I was in the army, the biggest news there was that every infantryman’s rifle would be getting topped with an acog. Guess what never happened…..
Even in 4ID mfers still have ironsights
@@TheSlayer. Lmfao it's alright then I thought we were old school in France
For at least 6 years of my career we were all going to be issued the M4, but my last rifle qualification before I ETS'd was still the M16-A2.
They kind of made that happen. I was in the 82nd and we almost had enough acogs for everyone, still ran a few CCOs per team just to have a better close up option but that was a deliberate decision. I disagreed with running just aimpoints when acogs were an option but it wasn’t my call.
When I was in the Army it was Steel sights and M-16’s. The M-4’s were just coming out as I was getting out,
after talking with a number of people i know in the army who have been issued and certified on the Spear/XM-7, theyve all loved it. the optics it comes issued with, as well as the suppressors are the main reasons the guys love it. i dont forsee it ever fully replacing the m4/m16 but i like it after having shot a 6.8 variant myself.
Just got out of the marine corps. We adopted the H&K m27 and besides it being heavier and longer then the m4 while keeping the same max effective, and that sometimes it would feed the new rounds so hard that it would bend the bullet against the chamber breech. But other than that it’s waayyy better than the m4.
With the charging handle. Idk what it is but all the mil rifles have ass charging handles
The SCO and suppressor are alright
I just think that the better available AR charging handles are all way to expensive. The military is never gonna buy a $50 (or more) charging handle from a reputable company, do all the testing to make sure it meets the TDP, and then issue one for each rifle.
Lol. On top of all that, we’re now relying on Germans to supply our small arms. American WWII vets are turning over in their graves.
Ask the cheapest bidder he’ll know
I love that Brandon is always wearing bunker branding t-shirts from other content creators! "It's never a war crime the first time" is my favourite!!
Fat Electrician is Amazing! Quack Bang Out!
Long story short if my cousin Jack was still around today I'd buy him that shirt. First of his 3 tours in Vietnam he earned it and his first court-martial; of 5. Something about shooting a VC right in the head after crossing a stream that marked the border out in the jungle. Well he shouldn't a turned and gave his unit the finger.
they're probably gifts from Quackbang and Demoranch cuz UA-cam won't let him get paid lol.
The fat electrician i just had a good laugh about this
Magazine issue seems like a real problem. We were always taught to slam the mag in to prevent jams and make sure its seated properly.
Just means it's not Socom approved. The Scar 16 was denied as the new service weapon for introducing a jam that would take the weapon out of service. It's kinda shocking this was missed.
@@Azure1Zero4 Is it really shocking? That the company that just happens to get most if not all the new weapon contracts, just happened to get this type of issue by the "testing"?
@@internetmeta Not to me. SIG has a tendency now a days to rush things to market and silently fix issues overtime. Happened with the early MPX models. The army found the issue with early P320's. I personally would only buy a Sig platform if its been around a while and is proven reliable.
@@Azure1Zero4 Yeah, so in other words we are back to dealing with colts bullshit again.
A lot of dead soldiers in our future, just so SIG can rush something to market.
Tap rack bang.
This is what we need for the ATF! Imagine having an ATF director review new US military combar rifles and gives his opinion about other shit, WE NEED THIS!
I think a lot of it will boil down to the new cartridge. It’s important to remember that the gun was designed around the 6.8mm round, which has way higher pressure than .308. Kind of explains why it’s so beefy. If 6.8 is as revolutionary as so many believe, it could make a lot of those quirks worth it. If it’s oversold though, I don’t think this gun will be around long.
You fail to account for the lengths our government will stubbornly go to just to 'prove' they didn't make a mistake.
It probably won’t, but a lot of people will be able to put a bunch of under the table money in their pockets.
the revolutionary nature of 6.8 is the two material cartridge, something that could have been applied to existing rounds, but wasn't because then you can't sell as many parts.
Good point, but that additional power and weight needs to do something better than .308, if it is armor penitration, then you can simply load up AP ammo in your SCAR and be good to go with way less recoil than .277 Fury.
So maybe they want better engagement distance? 6.5 Creedmoor has been useful out to 1000 yards, so they want to go even further I guess, but then you have to ask what the barrel life is of .277 Fury because even 6.5 Creedmoor struggles with that over .308 due to high chamber pressure and heat generation.
Maybe they want a longer range AP capability, then I would have to see how much AP range they gained and what it can actually go through.
Their are a lot of things that confuse me about the choice of going back to a battle rifle at all in the first place for entire squads, not to mention the logistics.
I think it will fail to replace the M4, but I could see it potentially being a good DMR for the Army.
Its insane to me that the magazine jam could make it passed military inspection and professional R&D.
It didn't. Brandon is shooting a .308 conversion of the MCX Spear. It's not meant to fire that.
Sig Sauer is manufacturing magazines specifically for the MCX Spear - chambered in 6.8x51mm.
Brandon is shooting with a .308 PMAG.
No wonder he's running into issues
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 yeah I thought about that after the fact, I wondered if the conversion was the culprit
@@merxanity1625 That would almost certainly explain the gas issues, probably even why its less gassy with a supressor (although it could just be that Brandon has an amazing .308 suppressor), why the charging handle is stiff, etc.
The mag over-insertion - out of all the issues is a "maybe". Again, I feel like at this point, 60 years on from the adoption of the M16 a lot of these logistical issues have been sorted, and once the rifle is actually issued with the proper magazines, and civilian companies get around to making the aftermarket magazines like magpull PMAGs and such it'll probably remedy its self.
Even if magazine over-insertion is an issue there's probably a very simple way to remedy it
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 That mag is also a non issue mag. Gun specifies Lancer Mags so a soldier wouldn't be or better not be jamming a PMag into it
@@brinkee7674 The only real mystery here is why Sig thought it was a good idea to send Brandon a .308 MCX Spear when its not going to be sold, issued or traded - ever
The over insertion is an absolute deal breaker. We may lose soldiers to that malfunction.
I can see that being fixed
Easy fix
Some replies in comments are saying its only an issue with the civilian chambered 308 and Brandon using AR10 mags, and that its not an issue on the military variant
@@pangboi3453 In war you use all you can get. Take a look to Ukraine. If you need to use a civilian Magazin, you will use it. There is no acceptance for jamming.
@@aesthetic8780 You aren't going to use the civilian mags if they're in the wrong caliber tho...
I don't think I've ever inserted a P-mag into one of my AR's without hitting it HARD into the mag well. If a guy with a headscarf is shooting back, with THIS rifle: "Houston, we have a problem."
The over insertion issue: Many were trained to slap the magazine up and in, to make sure it was in and ready to go. This design will get them killed. Their mother would say that is more than "an issue". Weight is what makes a rifleman hate a rifle. That's two strikes. Field clean/adust issues make it a greasy pain in the hand, and the charging handle a pain in the pinky finger. There is only one reason the Army would consider a weapon with these three killer issues.
@JamesDevlin-ww9zj Sweet Moolah
Sucking that SIG DIG with taxpayers money
A good number of these issues will probably get fixed, like the magazine could have the part that sticks immediately underneath the magwell made much thicker, so it can't slip under, which'd be super easy to fix, just send new mags with a thicker section (they probably have already done that), and the side charging handle is the primary charging handle so it probably won't be that big an issue. Weight is a big problem, but that's hard to really talk about for any side.
Oh no, oh my, it’s almost like this rifle is experiencing what literally, every, fucking, new weapon a military has ever used has gone though.
All new technologies have their teething issues, that get addressed and fixed pretty damn quickly.
This video is already 2 years old, and I don’t doubt most of these problems have already been addressed by now.
And oh no, our service members needing to drink a little more milk to use a little 9 pound gun, how horrible they need to actually stay in shape for their line of work.
lmao, give me a break
@@yeeters2347 have seen finlands new service rifle that is started to be delivered next year made by sako oh noe it had exatly same problems and hk complained it to some court and was immediatly rejected it is same as usa new service rifle but more refined hell yes
Even Pepperidge farm can't remember the last time army ordinance adopted a rifle without issues that directly caused troop deaths.
Grunt lives don't matter
its a running gag with small arms that make it into government service. too many bureaucrats and special interests getting in the way of function and good engineering.
The government will lie to you give you a pamphlet for your "self cleaning" m-16... then you die when your gas system is gunked up because you didn't clean the gas system... but yes trust them.
Vietnam, when the army was forced into the m16:riflemahatma jammed and thousands of American troops killed and wounded because their rifle would not fire in a firefight with the Vietcong ! Hundreds if not thous😂ands of American troops died and were wounded because they were forced to use this damm rifle that would fire one shot then would jam leaving American troops with nothing but a weak club to fight with! Johnson and the secetary of defense should have been arrested and executed for treason against america!
1. I think people often forget just how rough the m16 introduction was and how much it changed over its service life. The same can be said about the SCAR. 2. It was a competition at the end of the day someone had to win and SIGs submission was by far the most conservative and pragmatic option. I think polymer case is cool and all but we aren't there yet and the other designs relied on radical cartridge designs.
And one of them was a bullpup with a bloody WILD suppressor design that makes me doubt it'll even work
Yeah but a lot of the "changes" were reverting McNamera's "improvements" to Gene's original specs.
@@dogwoodhillbilly There are a dozen other problems with this, and a bayonet is less useful than fixing literally any of the issues it already has would be. If you're close enough to poke something with a bayonet you're close enough that a pistol will do the job just fine.
@@KeterMalkuth if you could apply the Steel and brass cases to 6mm Arc i personal think that would be great. Largest I would go to if it had to be bigger to do the hybrid casing i would probably use a 6mmx47. keep the m4 gas system make the barrel 13.5 inches. As well as keep the flow through suppressor by sig. Frankly the suppressor they made for the xm7 was pretty damn nice. I definitely would keep the pressure 80k because gunpowder's are constantly changing I think it's perfectly fine
The M16 was mostly sound on introduction, the main problem being Robert MacNamara wanting to save money on gunpowder which proceeded to fuck up the rifles which were running very well before that.
He had cleaning kits and chrome lined chambers and bores nixed for the same reason.
The NGSW is absurdly retarded on paper.
“Not that you guys have had to worry about over-penetration.”
[pauses for a long time]
“Anyway”
😂
And just like with P90, suddenly the threat of teleporting stealthed soviet saboteurs in power armor doesn't seem to exist...😅
How does it perform against layered Russian cardboard and pot metal strike plates ?
@@yankee1376 KEK
@@yankee1376"on today's episode of demolition ranch....."
Also rusty AK’s and T55’s
wouls be used vs china. if the west is stupid enough to try and go to war with china. totally different situation than soviet union
The over insertion thing is honestly crazy. I’m assuming that this may be a little different with the new caliber, but I’m not really sure. Either way they got to fix that.
But come on, how often would a soldier in combat ever insert a magazine too forcefully? It's not like they're human beings with adrenaline...
He’s not using the correct mag, that’s all. Military mags work fine.
@@blackhawk7r221 "Military mag works fine. That's an order!"
everything made by sig in the past 10 years is trash
@@drewmandan hmmm every time under stress
All of my concerns for the XM7 revolve around that new round. The mechanical bits you had (legitimate) gripes about can be easily fixed without causing major issues with the use of the gun. But the pressures and velocities they're claiming to be getting out of that 6.8 cartridge almost guarantee that it is going to go through barrels faster than Lizzo goes through fudgsicles.
Or faster than Bud Light stocks dropping
and America has lost every war against enemies with 7.62 guns.......the size of cartridges has 0 to do with the speed a gun shoots at.
@@resiefan3258 We lost Korea?
@@hannibalbarca2939 Apparently we also lost the First Gulf War
I'm fairly certain the US Military isn't concerned with this as the current belief is that in near peer conflict it was supposedly adopted for it doesn't matter if the barrel only lasts 1000 or so rounds as due to the nature of the conflict you're highly likely to need a replacement rifle due to it being lost or damaged due to other means before you shoot that many rounds through it. Which has apparently been somewhat confirmed by the war in Ukraine
Just wanna say I'm currently enrolled in SDI thanks to you and Garand Thumb. Loving it so far and I already can't wait to graduate.
I was considering it as an option, then Brndon said it had that over-incretion problem with the magazine, and I was a little hesitant after that. THEN he literally held up the FN SCAR (.308), and compared the weight and price differences and I'm not so considering anymore.
(Another one of the many levels of irony) the military just made their physical requirements less strict, and now they are adopting a heavier rifle that will require a combat loadout with less rounds. 😂
oh that's gonna end well 🥴
Maybe that's why they're not worried about the over insertion of the magazine, since they expect all of their new recruits to be physically weak
Yeah. What female is going to rack that stupid stiff bolt? Makes no sense.
Weight really doesn’t matter anymore when all your military does is ride around in armored vehicles and blow up middle easterners via drone strike lol
@@sfertonoc well there’s a spoonful of women in actual combat roles and base entry requirements are different from specific MOS/AFSC/RATE requirements as well. Most of the military is just desk jobs. Still need to be reasonably fit for deployment and even more fit for augmentee into fighting roles. Let’s be honest here too, any woman that’s willing to put infantry probably wants to be there and shouldn’t be complaining.
There was definitely some deals made with SIG considering they’ve won not just a pistol, rifle, and SAW contract, but will also likely win the MMG contract. However, for a corruption winner, they’re still putting out some good weapons. The SIG spear is also in its first real production models and I’m sure the issues it faces (except the weight problem) will get smoothed out. The M4 and M16 platforms are good but also ran into some notoriously bad issues on the first batches they pushed out.
American Sig is kind of shit and yeah they clearly lowballed
I really don’t believe it’s corruption. Looking at early trials of the NGSW program, all the other companies were trying things way too different that seemed way too promising/good to be true. Like TecTrons bull pup with half-plastic casings and a short integral suppressor-yes it’s cool, but it’s got so much going on that it was bound to loose. The XM7 at its core is just a sig MCX in a battle rifle caliber, both things that are pretty tried and true.
Yeah, good point. There’s other guns all were really interesting in theory. But the spear took the most conservative approach and one.
@@extragoogleaccount6061 yeah, even negating any corruption factors, SIG was still bound to win cuz of their decision to make their prototypes just an upgrade of what we already have as opposed to other platforms that would require more significant re-training, adaptation, and restructuring of logistical chains.
@@extragoogleaccount6061one what?
As a Canadian it bums me out to watch people play with cool guns like these. All were pretty much aloud to own are muskets
“You know the military, it’s the plan until it isn’t” that had me dying for some reason
Great breakdown and review. Seems pretty good for the most part. But the T-handle and mag well issues are a deal breaker until they get them fixed.
Thought it was funny right around @2:41 where he re-inserts the magazine and then has to make a conscious effort *NOT* to smack/seat the mag.
he was hella smooth with it@@At_the_Bottom
It’s not a problem on the m7 Spear. The mag issue is because the mags he is using.
i will say that on AR-10's I've handled, i have had issues with over insertion on p-mags in particular on other similar platforms. So it may not necessarily be a gun issue.
Awesome video, thorough and informative. The over insertion issue with the reload is indeed very concerning..
The new optic that calculates ranges is super cool.
It weighs like 2 lbs tho screw that thing you can keep a range finder in your pocket if you really have to calculate
Kind of lame, because it removes the human factor and soldiers became dependent on tech and cannot do anything without it.
@@Cheesusrice69222 This new optic basically allows every marine to be a long-range marksman without the sniper school training.
@@Cheesusrice69222 But does a range finder adjust your reticle for you?
Doesn’t matter that much when it’s two whole ass pounds and is the size of a god damn sausage. But hey “tactical and modular” make the brass, and. bean counters cream their pants so why not.
10:55 I would assume that the replaceable face on the case deflector has to do with the fact that the new cartridge has a steel base...and aluminum doesn't last too long when it gets peened by a fast moving steel object thousands of times.
I think the mag issue is due to the flex in the polymer mag. If you can find some old AR10 mags, see if it continues to have the over insertion issue🙂
The PMag it comes with isn’t as good as the Lancer Hybrid Polymer Mags with steel feed lip. As a matter of fact the Lancer Mags are the Official Mags for the NGSW program. I just bought a Spear .308 and have acquired the Lancer Mags. Will not even use the PMag that comes with it.
Nonetheless, the Spear's factory mag catch lug could stand to be slightly wider to seat into the magazine's catch slot better. The Magpul PMag overinsertion lip under the slot is not particularly shallow; SIG simply made the magwell's clearances a little too generous, and didn't compensate with a bigger mag catch lug.
@KP PERRY insane one of the biggest selling points of the platform doesn't even apply to it
i am wondering if all the Nato countries will be switching to the new 277 fury
@@ostiariusalpha It has to do with the plastic catch lug getting sheared. I had a similar experience with one of my Magpul mags when I got a little carried away smacking it in. The lug actually got sheered a bit. Otherwise my Stag 10 never had the issue again.
I was not expecting a Metal Gear reference, now i just want to see Brandon piloting Metal Gear RAY
I like how they made it possible to convert it to be left handed, and I assume the gassing and maybe even the mag trouble could be different when its chambered in the round it was designed with. They really had a lot of really cool ideas that Im really excited to see used elsewhere
The mag is the same for both cartridges
Still ejects from the right side though yeah? Not a pleasant experience for left hander
@@paulgorie2103lefty shooter here. Other people might have other experiences, but shotguns, semiauto rifles, bolt guns, lever guns -- I've never really had any issues shooting right-handed long guns. (Haven't shot any bullpups/full auto, however)
@@BaritoneMonkey tbh, im an Aussie. So ive never heard of guns 🤣🤣😥 but our army uses the AUG. And ive always wondered how badly my neck would burn if i fired it
@@paulgorie2103 they make a left handed AUG
The over-insertion issue plus the weird charging handle situation sounds like a death trap for a soldier in the middle of combat full of adrenaline.
I must say that I love how it looks. The lmg version in particular gave me the tingles.
-So just how bad is the charging handle?
"It's super hard in the worst way"
-Why Sig made it so heavy when they KNOW it's going to be carried around all day by some poor soldier is just baffling.
-The "over insertion mag" is also a "how the fuck didn't they notice this" kind of issue. With how easy it is to achieve there's no way they didn't run into that issue while testing the gun....... And it's an issue that will actually get it's user killed if it happens in a firefight.
-It is rather amazing that a gun company as big and long lived as Sig managed to recreate issues that have NOT been issues for more 20+ years.
I mean military uses different mag in different caliber they really dont care about ar10 mags
Sig is also the company that brought out the Cross rifle, a bolt action that would fail to fire when pulling the trigger, and fire when you put an ounce of pressure on the bolt handle to clear it afterwards.
So yeah, checks out for Sig.
The M-7 is heavy in order to be controllable in full automatic…
You make a choice between weight and controllability.
I feel like they messed up some dimensions on the charging handle, and then cerakoted it or something. They didn't account for the thickness change after cerakoting, because, you know, it's Sig.
Over inserting pmags is an issue on AR15 platforms as well. The latest AR15 mags have a lip that prevents it. Looking at the website, none of the AR10 mags have it.
I would say that over-insertion problem is huge in a combat situation. Everything else he talked about in the way of cons seems fairly minor to me, but that one is for me a deal-breaker. I wouldn't mind having one for a range day, but I wouldn't want to take it into combat knowing it has that particular issue.
combined with all the training scars from people running rear charging handles it being hard to operate and the side charging has to be unlocked.
Hehe hehe over insertion
Honestly that could happen with any semi-automatic firearm.... People have gotten used to jamming magazines in the Glocks really hard, but even some pistols if you jam a magazine up in there too hard you will bend the ejector, could even bend the feed lips. That's definitely a concern though they are going to have to put a small ledge around the inside of their as a mag stop, unless it's the magazine itself, which to me look like it was made out of plastic and could be flexing.
How easy it is to drop the bolt while pressing the mag release seems like a serious issue too.
Did he really have to take his sunglasses off after burning on us so bad with the overpenetration needle, though? 😥😥 😂
Sig Spear is just an answer to a question that's already been solved. Many of faults and failures we see of "5.56" is almost completely grounded to the M855, while the M855A1 and Mk318 mod 0/1 have shown promising results but didn't have the opportunity to really bare it's teeth in combat. The closest we can say is the MK 262 mod 0/1 as it shares much similarity to the Mk.318 in design and build, and according to those who used it, the Mk. 262 is an amazingly effective round.
I have heard the main reason for the new caliber is the concern over better and more widely available armor in the future, that and modern optics allowing for combat at longer ranges which compounds with the armor issue. I am guessing they didn't want to go back to full power rifle cartridges for the same reasons they adopted the intermediate 5.56 in the first place.
I'd say to the critics of that: Just increase barrel length.
If you're fighting in areas where you're expected to have tons of flat land. Make a compromise, instead of the 14.5 inch M4A1 just make it 16 inch carbines and add some barrel length. Inches make a huge difference when it comes to velocity and energy output.
The military is repeating the same mistake when they replaced the M193 with M855 because M855 was able to penetrate russian helmets at farther distances. Except to a larger scale. They're trying to make a golden goose where you can use this gun in ANY environment with no changes to it's design-and that just simply doesn't work.
It feels like it's gonna be another case where they keep making consecutive changes to make it work somewhat only to realize "fuck it, we're not spending more money on this bitch."
@@TheTISEOMan I mean barrel length is an issue to begin with, and a longer barrel can be used on the new ammo if the need arises, as in at the same length of barrel the new cartridge will perform better at range.
The flaws Brandon mentioned don't seem that major as in could be fixed but I could be wrong and they might be a result integral things to the design.
That being said I could see the cost being an issue, as in not enough of an upgrade to replace your entire armory, for instance in my opinion the SCAR and HK416 are superior to the M4 but perhaps not enough to justify the cost, which is I believe the reason why the US military decided against it, in 5.56 at least as I think the SCAR-H stayed around.
@@explodingpotato6448 The point I'm getting at is they want a rifle with a very short barrel length to perform well at farther ranges, like in afghanistan-while keeping good ballistics and post penetration effects as well as barrier/armor piercing capabilities. The problem is, that's a golden goose, they are literally saying "I want this rifle to be good at EVERYTHING"
my point is not increasing the barrel length of the XM7 (God forbid the weight at that point, weight can kill), but the barrel length of AR patterned rifles that we already have.
Every attempt we've made to go Short-stroke has revolved back to going "Eh... Gas impingement is better for our needs" This is another cycle where we will realize what we have is already good enough, if so, a few adjustments here or there. It'll be another case of this and I'm sitting here waiting with my "I told you so" card to anybody who shilled the XM7 and heralded as the second coming of Christ.
@@explodingpotato6448 Even before Ukraine, it was pretty clear that any future "near peer" war would mean that infantry would have to go back to digging trenches and foxholes again and crawl around on their bellies and shoot from prone position, like in the good old days.
That means body armor of the kind that is common now won't play much of a role and combat will mostly be the storming of trenches and other enemy positions, which means short range.
The switch to a bigger caliber with all the drawbacks never made any sense to me, especially not the justification that it is because of Russia and China.
This only makes sense in some "shooting from hill top to hill top in Afghanistan"-scenario and those times are over.
Someone really said "Hey, remember the M14 and how badly that failed? Y'all wanna try that experiment again, only at 80K psi this time?"
The be fair this isn't a design from the late 30s that they took and beat with a hammer until it could take magazines.
apples to oranges dude....
Right. It's a design from the 60's (AR18) that they beefed up, made out of aluminum, and developed ridiculously overpressure ammunition for in order to meet the military's unrealistic requirements for. Which isn't really a knock on Sig or the XM7 as much as it is on the Pentagon for being big stupid. Again. Still. Sig (and the other entrants) did their best meeting trying to meet silly goals set by silly people.
Is the XM7 a good rifle? Yeah. Is the XM7 (especially in 6.8x51) a good rifle *for mass full-fleet fielding to a military composed of a diverse number of heights, weights, strengths, body types, and both genders?* Absolutely not.
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 Not really, it's a full power battle rifle meant for full fleet adoption. By the infantry at first, initially, but bean counters gonna count beans and push for military wide adoption eventually, regardless of how fast parts wear out and how difficult it is for smaller statured soldiers to use it. Just like the M14.
@@hobbstactv2571 "every short stroke piston rifle is an ar18" opinion discarded go back to braindead sig-hating fuddland.
I wonder if this is gonna be like the UCP. Oh lets pick this cool looking thing over the shit that has been working forever now. Then a few years later "Oh no this shit sucks lets switch again." But then again I might be kinda bias to the old woodland and M4s
From what I understand, the M7 was not originally designed to have a T charging handle. In field testing, the guys running the gun kept going to charge with the T handle
Lmfao, grunts resorting to muscle memory
So maybe that T charging handle is so terrible for a reason - once the grunts start training with it, and see how terrible it is, they'll switch to the side handle organically, and the next rifle won't have a T handle at all. Sig is playing 4d chess here.
@@B3RyL no all I'm saying is the rifle was not designed for it
@@mehtevas2653 I know. I was just joking 🙂
The mag over insertion issue reminds me of the AK-12 selector lever being pushed too far, like you mentioned in your AK-12 review.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah, this is the kind of thing that could actually get a soldier killed in combat, which is just insane.
@@CasabaHowitzer it appears to be a problem with his mags being trash instead of the Lancer mags the gun should have
A completely unacceptable problem.
That any amount of testing would reveal.
That's easy to solve.
Yep, I see the similarity.
@@angellara7040 Did this dude seriously just call PMAGs trash? lmao
the infantry rifle i think is better suited for a unit's designated marksman instead of a universal grunt standard
but the sniper rifle and machine gun i've seen seem pretty good for their intended roles at a glance
I'm pretty sure that is the point. We will probably see another MG added to each infantry squad and all the riflemen being trained like DM with the new scope. This new optic has the ability to calculate and adjust the reticle, its insane.
I believe the over insertion of the magazine is 100% due to the polymer magazine. I have a ddm4v7p and it came with the Daniel defense polymer magazine. I was able over insert that magazine several times, however once I switched to a metal magazine I had no issue with over insertion.
I can't believe this rifle Weighs pretty much the same as my 1896 Swedish Mauser
Ok you gotta review the RM277. It was the main competitor, has a wacky can and a wackier ammo type, and they're suing the US government for making a biased choice by picking the SIG (which supposedly performed worse than the RM277 in trials) because of the handgun partnership they already have. Also a bullpup, so definitely a fun comparison.
I heard they are bringing it to the civilian market supposedly. I haven't heard anything about the Textron entry, but it would be cool to see more of both of them and see what people think about the losers of the competition. Textron's rifle has even wackier caseless ammo and a seemingly over complicated operating system.
Not suing the US gov. Suing Sig for misappropriation of trade secrets. (Short Recoil Impulse Averaging)
That side charging handle does seem like it would make things easier. Can rack a round without having to take your eyes off the target. Also like how we both said something to the extent of "That's a very long spring." at the same time (feel like said spring will be the most annoying part of reassembly) lol
Edit: The over-insertion would definitely be an issue, even more so since on an M4/M16 you could slap that mag like a redheaded step-child and it would be fine (sometimes the smacking is required to make sure said mag is inserted completely). I pretty much always give mine a not hard, but firm slap on the bottom to be sure out of reflex
You give.. your weapon a firm slap on the bottom out of reflex, right? Right???
@Evo3s my uncle would say the same thing
U usually use a firm tap then pull to make sure it's seated
I can charge an AR or AK without taking my eye off the target, lol
@@charlesbryson7443 lefty?
Great video, gotta love the the friendliness and the recommendation to check another channel out. What a good dude, subscribed.
As A Field Marine your points are very valid.....your are right ...in a fire fight things get crazy.....so the simpler the better
Tf is a field marine
@@richardjulien3345 Perhaps an active duty marine?
@@richardjulien3345 A POG trying to not say they are one and not a Grunt.
@@maddogs1989what’s a POG
@@Cooper12667 Person Other than Grunt
Looking forward to the A2 variant where they fix everything you mentioned in your cons list. Should be available in a decade or three.
haha
😂
sounds about right
They need to just ditch the rifle. DoD is full of crooks that can never pass an audit
Meanwhile the Marines go back to the M14 and have no problems whatsoever
That over insertion could be a real problem considering tap/rack is one the first things you try to correct malfunctions.
Tbf, he’s using an AR mag in a rifle that’s been rechambered for the civilian market, not a military issue rifle with sig mags
@@mcarrowtime7095 tbf they're still selling this version to civilians for not a little amount of money.
@@Caffeinated-DaVinci have you considered using a mag designed for the gun?