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Though your description, it seems like Brandon is the far fairer of the two. But I understand. It's one thing to make an ugly duckling. It's another to see said ugly ducking, and hold it aloft as the goose that laid the golden egg.
My father used to work in Law Enforcement up until a couple years ago. Upon showing him this video, he and I are both glad he was never issued this disgusting crime against gunsmithing.
@@johnathanedwards9054 I laughed at Brandon's total lack of "Salesmanship" as he went about describing all the "features" especially that "Spinney Thing" on the butt!! These two guys would make one hell of a sales team!! 🤣 👍
Every person who has played cod black ops 1 was stopped in there tracks when they saw this thumbnail and instantly sent into a flashback involving two of these things being dual wielded
Mine involves a guy that was hacking lol, the only time I ever encountered an obvious hacker. Search and destroy on Firing Range, dude was spinning in circles by the jeep in the middle of the map shooting dual wield hs10 into the sky. I put a full mag from my galil into him before he stopped spinning and shot me lmao
My grandfather always instilled in us the following: “If you have shoot someone in self-defense, make sure that yours is the only story told to the cops” He was a kick-ass lawyer.
They took their perfectly fine shotgun, cut off the stock, and wrapped it in shitty bull-pup furniture. If you look closely, you can see the original receiver hiding in shame up inside the shell.
The shotgun was actually designed in the 1950's by a police sergeant in California who then sold the design to the company that made it. His intention was to design a breaching shotgun for swat.
The initial design was by a police sergeant back in the 1950s as a SWAT entry weapon. High Standard started making it in the 1960s. It initially had a flashlight built into the carry handle. The idea was that it could be operated one handed. The pivoting butt plate could be braced on the bicep. That allowed the operator to have one hand free for carrying a shield or opening doors without putting down their weapon or flashlight. The 10-B replaced the built in flashlight with a removable Kel-Lite flashlight. In many ways it was far ahead of its time. Tactical lights on weapons are commonplace today. Bullpup shotguns are far more common now; KSG, UTAS, Tavor TS-12. I was a patrol officer for 24 years. I see a lot to like in the design idea, but High Standard was the wrong company to put it into practice.
I've only seen a few of these in my 50 years as a gun nut, and invariably the built-in flashlight was trashed. Probably couldn't take the recoil. It was just a rather cheap normal flashlight with the old fashioned bulb and plastic reflector.
Ok, now that I've heard the history, and that it's from 70 years ago, I can't TOTALLY hate it. History and all. But DAMN, you'd have thought in 70 freakin' years they'd have made a few tweaks that had to be obvious even back then. Apparently that sergeant made a poor choice in companies to partner with ....
Thanks, I didn't want to type out what little I knew about it. I've seen a few of them for sale over the years, mainly back in the 80s and 90s. I haven't seen any in a long time, though. Recap of problems: As said, heavy short lop to small of grip and close to trigger for most. In general, it is a good idea but not a good execution, and the lights at the time were not up to the recoil, the polymers ether.
It's fascinating how its presence transcends from Call of Duty Black Ops to vintage 70s police training videos. The design and history behind this shotgun add an extra layer of interest for those passionate about firearms. It's a reminder of how weaponry evolves over time, even if this particular model has earned its "cursed" reputation.
A buddy bought a ex-police HS 10 (NW Arctic Alaska) We found when assembled correctly and you use highbrass, full power loads. It still had issues. It needed a very thick recoil pad.
This monstrosity has been burnt into my noggin ever since the first time I played Black Ops. The fact you can akimbo them in the game is also great (probably more effective than using one normally, even IRL).
you actually can't. if you fire from the left shoulder you risk breaking your face. so the fact you can akimbo is fucking dumb (fun from gameplay though)
My father is an engineer and is without a doubt a brilliant individual obey if the smartest ppl ive ever met. I can honestly say this is the handiwork of booksmart men without any practical hands on knowledge of firearms😂
@@joevlam1055my question is, if you’re an engineer designing guns, you obviously like guns, you probably shoot, I have a feeling this was a lost bet. “I bet you that nobody would buy those” “of fuck they bought some”
@@jakesynx It was unnecessary on several of the maps in black ops one. Just have it as a prebuild, and you are pretty much guaranteed to kill your opponent if they came upon, you.
The HS-10B was the brain child of one Alfred Crouch, a Sergeant for the Santa Monica police department who got together with a few of his coworkers in 1965-66 and threw together what they believed to be a superior compact shotgun for the then very new concept of a SWAT team. Apparently Crouch shopped the idea around to Remington and Winchester, eventually landing on the door step of High Standard. High Standard took their Supermatic C1200, stripped away the fiddly gas regulator and the HS-10 was born! The Model A had an integral light (in 1967) which would promptly explode and deadline the entire shotgun, the Model B had a light mount which at least meant when your Maglite exploded from recoil the gun wasn't affected. A fun little fact, the Supermatic C1200 used a stack of wavy washers for it's gas regulator system and was incredibly intolerant of lubrication. If it was oiled the washer stack would tend to collapse on firing, the shock of the whole assembly smacking into the receiver would very rarely blow the forend and magazine tube free from the receiver.
Had a model 10A with a flash light on it for duty it was in the early 80’s. It was bought by me it served me well for building searches. In my early career it had a psychological effect on criminals as most had never seen one. It never malfunctioned and at 5’10” it was fairly comfortable to shoot. Recoil was mild and it worked well. The flashlight was crap and worked sometimes. I was young and it looked space age, my reasoning for the purchase. I am 61 years old now and it brought back memories of being a young man that enjoyed my career in my youth. Thanks wish you had a specimen that was better for you. I believe I paid 250.00 for mine back when.
Another comment stated that it was meant to be used one handed leaving the other hand free to use a ballistic shield or whatever else you might want. The swivel stock was meant to spin horizontally to brace on your bicep. If that is true then it gets redeeming points for a novel idea in a very specific use. I can't tell if it would be effective unless I see someone try... This calls for a second video. Perhaps ian at forgotten weapons can assist.
I feel like they compared it to the standard issued pump shotgun too much instead of looking at it for what it is, a short compact semi auto shotgun that's designed for room clearing. Definitely not a perfect gun but it's designed for a specific roles and it wasn't really brought up in the video.
Hi Brandon, I was one of the creators of the HS Model B. The intent of this shotgun was to confuse the person shooting at you, hopefully making them drop the gun. It diddnt work. When bringing this gun up to the board before presenting, we were met with a chuckle followed by intense laughter and people excusing themselves from the room. When we got started presenting this gun. They said "Fuck It." Now I'm a millionare.
@Cobra-fz4mr I was LITERALLY just watching the one from 10 days ago with Eli, Brandon, Donut, and Matt from Demo,Ranch! It would have been as you commented! What a crazy coincidence!! I've been watching these guys for many years!!
Back in the '70s, my firearms instructor had one of these that he brought to the class range day. It was the model with the molded in flashlight, and my instructor mentioned that the filament of the light bulb tended to break every time the weapon was fired. The gun is meant to be carried with the "shoulder" piece crossways, against your bicep, so that you can, as the instuctor put it, "walk down the street, shining the light into dark alley-ways, and if you didn't like what you saw, you can pull the trigger and it will disappear". He had a forward grip on his gun, which did make it more comfortable to shoot. I actually liked it, was the first bull-pup I had ever seen.
Not really. Since it rarely gets one shot kills, you're pretty much only getting two kills per reload. Plus, dual wielding for more shots just makes the hip-fire accuracy go down.
Interesting! I started LE in 1976, I DREAMED of being able to afford a Hi-Standard 10B. We were a small agency and I have searched MANY large building by myself before my retirement in 2012. I BOUGHT my own 10B and still have it. It might not be the perfect shotgun, but yours CERTAINLY had some abuse issues. The shotguns ability to be used one handed while holding a flashlight in the off hand or a handheld radio, and it's maneuverability in CLOSE hallways and doors made it VERY special to me, since my closest back-up was probably 20 minutes away. Of course my experiences were in the dark ages and while I certainly respects both your and Donuts opinions, I deffer GREATLY in my view of the 10B
It's the competitive shooting mindset, you used it expecting to have to pull off some snap shooting in a sudden encounter. These gun nerds are about all the angles and shooting hundreds of round they would put through it practicing gun fu.. because a shotgun is some precision tactical weapon whose usage hasn't changed since the days of the blunderbuss...
It's a bit sad that you guys didn't use the spinning stock for it's intended purpose of shooting with it braced against the bicep for hip shooting. Ian and Admin both talked about it in their videos, but Ian's shotgun was unreliable and Admin didn't shoot it that way. It's just one of those hilariously weird things you'd see in the 80s before everyone figured out the optimal way to shoot.
@@judsongaiden9878 apparently producton in 1967? You're not far off though which I find hilarious, it does seem like one of those things you'd see from the early 1940s to 1950s.
@@WJS774 Well "shouldering" it against your bicep allows you to fire it one-handed like Rambo. :-P Part of the concept is that it's size, configuration (and custom sling) made it carriable/concealable under a detective's trench coat. It was likely inspired by the the "SURPRISE, You're Under ARREST!!!" trope from Movies and TV of its era. But outside of TV, police don't have much need for a concealable shotgun.
Cody is one of those guys who collaborates with just about anyone. He can go from playing Ready Or Not with General Sam to shooting a garbage shotgun with Brandon or any other number of gun channels.
IIRC from one of Ian's videos probably, the rotating buttplate was intended to be used to be braced against your bicep, around the outside of a riot shield, much like the spas-12's stock. But rather than hooking on the back of your elbow like the spas, it braced against the inside of your arm. It didn't need to be "hooked" on because, as a bullpup, it naturally had a balance farther back and could be used in one-hand more comfortably. Or something like that. edited to add source w/ timestamp ua-cam.com/video/9H5Z9umFlzk/v-deo.html
Fastest I've clicked on one of your videos. I remember this shotgun from Call Of Duty: Black Ops. And, looking back, I laugh my ass off at the dual wield attachment for it in that game
For movie buffs with a little history, this shotgun was used by Christopher George in the 1980 vigilante thriller "The Exterminator" - that movie was actually banned in Australia (because it showed how to make exploding mercury bullets) although the uncut VHS was briefly available. I had an old ex-rental copy of that tape about a decade ago. (You get to see a real gnarly decapitation Viet Cong style).
I remember seeing one of those at a gunshow back in the '80s. At the time I thought that it was a poorly put together bullpup kit and was annoyed that someone would ruin a perfectly good shotgun by doing that. When the guy told me it was a police shotgun I thought he was talking some bullshit.
I remember my father - who was born in 1909 - saw one of these in a store in the early 70s. I think it dumb-founded him more than anything I ever saw him experience. He was a 97 Winchester guy.
I remember hearing about that shotgun while working at the local PD. It was my undersatanding it was much smaller than that, and it was meant to be carried concealed. It was developed for the secret service. Actually, seeing it has ruined my once good impression.
The hs10 is pretty rad. It's basically just a tried and true high standard semi auto sporting shotgun in a lightweight compact chassis. Gotta remember this was designed in the 60s when cops still carried revolvers and nobody outside of swat or paramilitary were tactical. From my readings it was fairly well reviewed and had a lot of interesting features. The other model had a built in maglight holder and Integrated carry handle. The purpose of the weird swivel stock was to be able to fire one handed, you turn the stock 90° so you can choke it up in the crease of your elbow, which would give the officer superior firepower while still offering a free hand. Love your videos but this one is a real disservice to it, forgotten weapons did a video on it a while back and went into good detail and history on it. I almost bought one in gun broker a while back and kinda regret not doing it, name another semi auto that's that compact and has a cool history, it would make a great home defense or camping shotgun.
I hope you didn't rely on the sound of racking your gun and kept it loaded. The bad guys if they really are a threat shouldn't be given the courtesy of such a warning but instead you being fully prepared to go from the start.
This shotgun must have been unique in it's time since it was designed in the 50's and produced from 1967-1977. The fact that the action is running as good as it is some 46-56 years later says something about it. I don't know what was available as far as bullpups went, bit I would imagine that this was one of the first. It is to bad that they did not improve on this to make it something worth while of having.
A friend had one back in the 70's. It was about the only bullpup at that time. May have been the only one commercially available. It looked cool back then.
I can see 3 ways right off the bat that could 'save' this. Replace the swivel stock with a proper buttpad, replace the sights with a carry handle style sight like the Famas, and round the edges of the feed tray so it doesn't 're-circumcise' your thumbs. Wouldn't make it good, but it would at least make it not completely awful to use.
I love how the gun literally has a "do not shoot from left shoulder" warning engraved into the gun, yet Treyarch decided to give logic the finger and let you dual wield two of these things in BO1. It's so dumb, but damn, it was fun.
As someone who is left handed, I can only imagine the pain of police officers who are also left handed having to fire this thing. Because Left-handed shooters are the only people who despise bullpups more than anyone else.
I remember seeing something about these when I was a young patrolman. This was before all the "tactical" and "Tacticool" everything. From the perspective of someone issued a 20" rifle-sighted 870 with wooden furniture, the HS10 looked cool! From today's perspective, though, it's just a bump in the road to what got us GOOD tactical shotguns now. Kinda like in a mad scientist's lair, all the failed experiments floating in glass jars? Yeah. The HS10 is one of those. Valuable in the lessons learned about what NOT to do. And why DID they put that stupid buttplate on there? Wild.
I have the HS10 as well with the carry handle and a flashlight built in. I have a different opinion of it. That one is apparently broken , my butt stock does NOT spin off and as long as it is clean and you follow the instruction of HIGH brass Magnum shells , function is fine. It brings substantial firepower in a small package and I am honestly rather fond of mine.
I was actually just looking at one of these in a small gun shop a few weeks ago, the shop owner told me that it was meant mainly as a breaching tool and the little spinning piece was supposed to be optional for being placed into your bicep like hipfire... just what an old man told me and it seemed to make sense lol
Ian over at Forgotten Weapons said the butt plate was intended to turn horizontal and brace into your bicep to shoot 1 handed with a riot shield in the other hand. In this very specific use case scenario, it may actually be one of the better specialist riot guns.
I believe this was initially designed by a police officer called Al Crouch in the 1950s! Going by the book "The Worlds Fighting Shotguns".It was supposed to overcome the problems of a long as then issued police riot gun,as Crouch saw them. Something handy to manoeuvre from inside a police cruiser and concealable for undercover when doing plain clothes work. Like many things, the idea was good, the translation into reality...Wasn't
Concealable? I mean it might be smaller then normal full length shot guns. But unless you go around explaining you're secretly Mandingo, I don't think you're going to hide that. But yes, considering it was apparently meant to be fired one handed around a Riot Shield and is apparently from the 50's (when the Browning Auto 5 was considered the Cream of the Crop) it was a really REALLY clever design. It's just was put together by 5th graders.
I just walked into the kitchen with my grandma cooking and on her iPad was your buy back video, she couldn’t stop praising you and enjoys watching your content regular. She’s 65 and is just getting into guns, she loves yours videos and I showed her donuts content and a lil of demo ranch and she’s is hooked on UA-cam now lmao.
Ya know Brandon, I just wanted to say thanks for being the one that shoots these so we don’t have to. It takes a ton of work to make the videos and edit them, not to mention the cost of ammo, guns, etc. I see your effort, brother. I salute you.
Ian reviewed this thing a while back and had basically the opposite experience/opinion. He didn't seem to mind the form factor (the reason for the rotating pad is so that you can turn it sideways and brace the gun against your bicep for one-handed shooting around a riot shield or something), but his jammed on every shot.
@@Sxmpra_ 1 is an asshole who pretends to be a gun designer and runs for congress as a publicity stunt, the other enforces the tyrannical law of said congressman and is part of the problem, especially when you see them making jokes about police brutality, which is a real problem. opinions not valid, both = clowns. ian however is a gentleman and a scholar.
This shotgun was made for an extremely specific purpose from what I understand. Probably a purpose that was much better fulfilled by a pistol in most categories. But I can imagine the partial usefulness in a mob control kind of way. Probably without the riot shield it was said to be used in sync with but this in your non dominant hand, a good baton in the other, and plenty of padding and a angry mob would be in big trouble for a bit.
Pretty sure Ian from Forgotten Weapons did a video on this and said its garbage as well. Cool thoughts over beers, implemented very badly, and sold to police.
I like the idea of a bullpup shotgun, maybe it would work better with something downward ejecting like an Ithac- wait a damn minute… Now I want a semi auto shotgun with a KSG layout
I have been aware of this shotgun for decades thanks to two sources: The excellent book "The Worlds Fighting Shotguns" by Thomas Swearingen (Which has an HS M10B embossed on its cover) and the movie by Michael Mann called "Thief" made in 1981, a great movie, cool firearm porn in the shape of the HS M10B used by, then Chicago PD detective, Dennis Farina, in his first screen role as as a mob enforcer and a Jim Hoag .45 longslide used by James Caan as the movies protagonist "Frank". If you have never seen this movie then do yourself a favour asap. The full movie is on UA-cam (link at the end) According to Swearingen in his book, the shotgun was initially designed by Sgt Al Crouch of the Santa Monica PD in 1957 with the prototype built by him in 1959. He preferred the abilities of a shotgun to stop a fight over his service revolver but wanted a shotgun that was easier to conceal and also easier to use from a moving vehicle during a pursuit (I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it was his idea!) It would make for an interesting video though...just a thought. The latter is the reason the buttstock rotates: The idea was that the shotgun could be braced along the forearm in the crook of the elbow and fired from a moving vehicle by either the driver or passenger with their arm out of the window.....his idea, not mine! He maintained the added benefits would be concealability under a coat for undercover officers and use in confined spaces. The SWAT team use theory was not a consideration in 1957 as SWAT teams were not a thing until the mid 1960's. However he marketed the M10A (with its built in over bore flashlight) and B models towards them in the late 60's and early 1970's. The large flip up sight was intended for slug use. If you want to see it in "action" then watch "Thief". The M10B appears at 1 hour 40minutes in and again during the climactic gunfight: Spoiler alert....in makes short work of Jim Belushi and nearly does for James Caan too. ua-cam.com/video/y2Ui_pAnle8/v-deo.html
I remember this gun from cod7(bo1). Even they depicted it as a bad gun, and dual wield didn't improve it in the slightest either. Cod games have depicted some of their guns surprisingly accurately(the way they shoot(and handle in hs10's case) , i mean). Best example of this is dragunov across the series - it rewarded careful aim. Perhaps that be the reason I liked it so much (except bo1 version, that one was unusable even to me).
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Lol both cursed and cool. Lol one of the coolest in my collection.
I also have this shotgun and I can say without a doubt that you are correct 😅
Imagine if you got issued this fucking thing 😂
@@BrandonHerreraI’d turn in my badge 😂
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Begging...
@@KentuckyBallistics so this shotgun is why you stopped being a cop? explains a lot
@@KentuckyBallistics let's hope it lasts longer than that one shot gun with 4 mag tubes that rotate when empty.
Fun fact, Richard Nixon dual wielded these when zombies invaded the Pentagon.
And THAT is the reason the Pentagon is a hell-hole crypt of undead to this very day.
Nixon couldn't hit *shit* with these things.
How could Nixon tell the zombies apart from the people working there?
Oh yea that was crazy, the only time fidel castro teamed with the US.
@@vaillencourtHe couldn't, that's why we still have zombies in the White House
"They're breaking in!!"
Remember, bad guys can’t sue you if they’re splattered across the yard
However good boys who just fell in with the wrong crowds families will still sue you, get insurance 🤣🤣🤣
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Begging...
Wow, ew dude! I mean, I agree, but still ew. 😂😂
@@namantherockstardon’t beg, no one wants to help those that beg for it
but their families can...
I love how Brandon has that designer look of "someone made this" while Cody has the operator look of "some fuck issued this".
Though your description, it seems like Brandon is the far fairer of the two. But I understand. It's one thing to make an ugly duckling. It's another to see said ugly ducking, and hold it aloft as the goose that laid the golden egg.
@@NEEDbaconI'm trying to figure out if you're a theatre kid in middle school or a 40 year old aspiring author
@@Actually_nobody_ever The option of Memelord is still on the table…
My father used to work in Law Enforcement up until a couple years ago. Upon showing him this video, he and I are both glad he was never issued this disgusting crime against gunsmithing.
I laughed way too hard at this 😂😂😂
@@johnathanedwards9054 I laughed at Brandon's total lack of "Salesmanship" as he went about describing all the "features" especially that "Spinney Thing" on the butt!! These two guys would make one hell of a sales team!! 🤣 👍
Look as.much as I hate this gun that cod mw2 fanboy in me just wants to dualwield them things.
Remember if you shoot it left-handed you lose your face !@@user-yw5fl1db5u
Crimes against humanity
The HS10 was used by a police friend of mine, after one use he straight up just never touched it again.
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Begging...
Save your pennies homie...work hard for your shit and ask for no handouts.
Its kinda weird
work for it, no one likes beggers.@@namantherockstar
Lmaoo your buddy went on to set the record for most tased perps without use of deadly force for the sole reason of not using the HS10
@@namantherockstarshut tf up it was 10k subscribers originally then 20k etc etc etc etc etc you don’t have any parents they are dead
Every person who has played cod black ops 1 was stopped in there tracks when they saw this thumbnail and instantly sent into a flashback involving two of these things being dual wielded
Mine involves a guy that was hacking lol, the only time I ever encountered an obvious hacker. Search and destroy on Firing Range, dude was spinning in circles by the jeep in the middle of the map shooting dual wield hs10 into the sky. I put a full mag from my galil into him before he stopped spinning and shot me lmao
looks like a weapon that would be in the first fallout game you character would use one handed
Rip in pieces bo1 😔
gremlin nixon's weapon of choice
My grandfather always instilled in us the following:
“If you have shoot someone in self-defense, make sure that yours is the only story told to the cops”
He was a kick-ass lawyer.
Keep in mind, the same company made the K-1200 Riot, one of the best riot shotguns ever made. How this monstrosity came to be, is a true mystery.
They took their perfectly fine shotgun, cut off the stock, and wrapped it in shitty bull-pup furniture. If you look closely, you can see the original receiver hiding in shame up inside the shell.
They accidentally shot a container full of the purest coke they could find and inhaled it while testing the firing mechanism.
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Begging...
The shotgun was actually designed in the 1950's by a police sergeant in California who then sold the design to the company that made it.
His intention was to design a breaching shotgun for swat.
Let me have a guess: After designing this, they got blasted by everybody so bad that they decided to design the best shotgun as a redemption.
The initial design was by a police sergeant back in the 1950s as a SWAT entry weapon. High Standard started making it in the 1960s. It initially had a flashlight built into the carry handle. The idea was that it could be operated one handed. The pivoting butt plate could be braced on the bicep. That allowed the operator to have one hand free for carrying a shield or opening doors without putting down their weapon or flashlight. The 10-B replaced the built in flashlight with a removable Kel-Lite flashlight. In many ways it was far ahead of its time. Tactical lights on weapons are commonplace today. Bullpup shotguns are far more common now; KSG, UTAS, Tavor TS-12. I was a patrol officer for 24 years. I see a lot to like in the design idea, but High Standard was the wrong company to put it into practice.
I've only seen a few of these in my 50 years as a gun nut, and invariably the built-in flashlight was trashed. Probably couldn't take the recoil. It was just a rather cheap normal flashlight with the old fashioned bulb and plastic reflector.
A lot of awesome things came out of the 50s, but this is not one of them
I love the comments on these vids because somebody always has a little more info on it or actually used one in a real world setting.
Ok, now that I've heard the history, and that it's from 70 years ago, I can't TOTALLY hate it. History and all. But DAMN, you'd have thought in 70 freakin' years they'd have made a few tweaks that had to be obvious even back then. Apparently that sergeant made a poor choice in companies to partner with ....
Thanks, I didn't want to type out what little I knew about it. I've seen a few of them for sale over the years, mainly back in the 80s and 90s. I haven't seen any in a long time, though.
Recap of problems: As said, heavy short lop to small of grip and close to trigger for most. In general, it is a good idea but not a good execution, and the lights at the time were not up to the recoil, the polymers ether.
7:25 you ain’t slick with that “kinky” 😂😂
One thing that can never be taken away from the HS-10: it’s a certified Call of Duty hood classic
It sucked in zombies
Spas is better than it in every game mode
I thought I recognized this from bo1 😂
The wackiest part was the fact that the game devs looked at that thing and decided to make it dual wieldable
Akimbo HS10
It's fascinating how its presence transcends from Call of Duty Black Ops to vintage 70s police training videos. The design and history behind this shotgun add an extra layer of interest for those passionate about firearms. It's a reminder of how weaponry evolves over time, even if this particular model has earned its "cursed" reputation.
Black Ops meme shotgun memories, using two of these in dual wield was hilarious
The fact that this was the classified weapon in Black Ops 1 is insane
And Nixon was wielding two of them
Yeah I saw that and had Black Ops flashbacks
@@mail-qh2qc is it not the hs 10?
I didn't even know this was in BO1. I was a Stakeout enjoyer.
@@mail-qh2qc it is
A buddy bought a ex-police HS 10 (NW Arctic Alaska)
We found when assembled correctly and you use highbrass, full power loads.
It still had issues.
It needed a very thick recoil pad.
This monstrosity has been burnt into my noggin ever since the first time I played Black Ops. The fact you can akimbo them in the game is also great (probably more effective than using one normally, even IRL).
Same
The box would piss me off when it gave me this thing tho
I remember seeing it in Black Ops, and even I knew NOT to use it
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Begging...
you actually can't. if you fire from the left shoulder you risk breaking your face. so the fact you can akimbo is fucking dumb (fun from gameplay though)
As a lifelong gunsmith, I can say that that was a group decision by engineers.
Engineers are often just certified idiots
This was built by a committee for sure
Those engineers clearly hated cops and took it out on them through this lol
My father is an engineer and is without a doubt a brilliant individual obey if the smartest ppl ive ever met. I can honestly say this is the handiwork of booksmart men without any practical hands on knowledge of firearms😂
@@joevlam1055my question is, if you’re an engineer designing guns, you obviously like guns, you probably shoot, I have a feeling this was a lost bet. “I bet you that nobody would buy those” “of fuck they bought some”
The dual wield option in BO1 blows my mind even more now.
It would have been broken if shotguns had more amo in bo1
Hear me out, what if you took 1 dmg every time you shot them dual wielding…
There’s no ‘but’ or upsides. That’s it
@@chainsofscarlet9054 and range, HS-10 had zero range in b01
@@jakesynx It was unnecessary on several of the maps in black ops one. Just have it as a prebuild, and you are pretty much guaranteed to kill your opponent if they came upon, you.
@@AlyssMa7rinevery time you fired the left gun lol
"Thanks god, the gun is out of ammo!"
Most funniest shit ever
"He he, now I'm sticky." I'm going to argue that Donut saying that is equally funny. 😅
The HS-10B was the brain child of one Alfred Crouch, a Sergeant for the Santa Monica police department who got together with a few of his coworkers in 1965-66 and threw together what they believed to be a superior compact shotgun for the then very new concept of a SWAT team. Apparently Crouch shopped the idea around to Remington and Winchester, eventually landing on the door step of High Standard. High Standard took their Supermatic C1200, stripped away the fiddly gas regulator and the HS-10 was born! The Model A had an integral light (in 1967) which would promptly explode and deadline the entire shotgun, the Model B had a light mount which at least meant when your Maglite exploded from recoil the gun wasn't affected. A fun little fact, the Supermatic C1200 used a stack of wavy washers for it's gas regulator system and was incredibly intolerant of lubrication. If it was oiled the washer stack would tend to collapse on firing, the shock of the whole assembly smacking into the receiver would very rarely blow the forend and magazine tube free from the receiver.
This made me laugh, thank you 😂
aaaaaaand THAT is why gas regulators exist.
thank you google
The irony of the manufacturer being named "High Standard" lmao
Wait people from California made a gun? lol
Had a model 10A with a flash light on it for duty it was in the early 80’s. It was bought by me it served me well for building searches. In my early career it had a psychological effect on criminals as most had never seen one. It never malfunctioned and at 5’10” it was fairly comfortable to shoot. Recoil was mild and it worked well. The flashlight was crap and worked sometimes. I was young and it looked space age, my reasoning for the purchase. I am 61 years old now and it brought back memories of being a young man that enjoyed my career in my youth. Thanks wish you had a specimen that was better for you. I believe I paid 250.00 for mine back when.
Cool story sir.
Maybe there are better shotguns but I feel like it didn’t deserve the level of hate brought against it in this video.
He probably paid the same price today...
Another comment stated that it was meant to be used one handed leaving the other hand free to use a ballistic shield or whatever else you might want. The swivel stock was meant to spin horizontally to brace on your bicep.
If that is true then it gets redeeming points for a novel idea in a very specific use.
I can't tell if it would be effective unless I see someone try...
This calls for a second video.
Perhaps ian at forgotten weapons can assist.
I feel like they compared it to the standard issued pump shotgun too much instead of looking at it for what it is, a short compact semi auto shotgun that's designed for room clearing. Definitely not a perfect gun but it's designed for a specific roles and it wasn't really brought up in the video.
Gotta love how donut just walks on screen and says the most out of pocket thing possible😂
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Hi Brandon, I was one of the creators of the HS Model B. The intent of this shotgun was to confuse the person shooting at you, hopefully making them drop the gun. It diddnt work. When bringing this gun up to the board before presenting, we were met with a chuckle followed by intense laughter and people excusing themselves from the room. When we got started presenting this gun. They said "Fuck It." Now I'm a millionare.
I guess everyone who had ever seen a shotgun before left the room
Success is never your fault. Actually in this case it is.
chat is this real?????
The board must have really hated the police... Maybe they were all left wing extremists? It is popular to put commies in charge these days...
@@BurnoutRevengeForThePS2.643 I can almost guarantee this is fake, but god damn is it funny.
"The HS10B, ONE of the shotguns ever built."
Loved that line
One of the firearms of all time.
It has an undisputed advantage in reducing the amount of intrusive thoughts telling people to lunge for an officer’s weapon
I just love how Cody always yells out “stop resisting” right before he shoots a gun on your channel 😂
Should shout "Stop existing!" when shooting White Claw
The training runs deep.
Force of habit
The attempted sike out on this one gave me a good chuckle
@@nellinecronje6911 couldn’t agree more. White claws are garbage
Who knew how BADLY we needed a collaboration with Brandon and Cody dropping live memes on an extremely cursed gun?! Most DEFINITELY do this again!!
I would recommend visiting the Unsubscribe podcast. Eli, Donut, Brandon, and The Fat Electrician
@Cobra-fz4mr I was LITERALLY just watching the one from 10 days ago with Eli, Brandon, Donut, and Matt from Demo,Ranch! It would have been as you commented! What a crazy coincidence!! I've been watching these guys for many years!!
@@Cobra-fz4mr check my above response, please!
"Semi-automatic bullpup shotgun" is a pretty good summation of all the issues with this gun lmao
Clint Smith is a legend. The gun community keeps the living legend alive
Remember kids, birdshot can be used as a less lethal alternative if you disregard Human Rights!
Yes
could you please elaborate?
I use birdshot because i dont disregard human wrongs
Its the humans left...or the left hand humans using the funny gun thingy
3" bbshot maybe
Back in the '70s, my firearms instructor had one of these that he brought to the class range day. It was the model with the molded in flashlight, and my instructor mentioned that the filament of the light bulb tended to break every time the weapon was fired. The gun is meant to be carried with the "shoulder" piece crossways, against your bicep, so that you can, as the instuctor put it, "walk down the street, shining the light into dark alley-ways, and if you didn't like what you saw, you can pull the trigger and it will disappear". He had a forward grip on his gun, which did make it more comfortable to shoot. I actually liked it, was the first bull-pup I had ever seen.
"Stop resisting, stop existing"© Donut, probably
How Cody went "3, 2, STOP RESISTIG!" had me on the floor laughing.
Anyone who played Black Ops in 2010 can tell you that the HS10 is in fact the best shotgun of all time.
Akimbo HS10s was my shit on the Nuketown-only weekends. Many of my lobbies were empty by the time the game ended lmao
@@Hugh_Jassle Oh lord the MW2 counterpart of akimbo rafficas or lever action shottys
No, it was the worst shotgun in game. The best was Spas12 with silencer and the Olympia.
@@aesthetic8780 honestly the spas and olympia were more snipers than shotgun lol the range you could kill somebody with them was ridiculous 🤣
Not really. Since it rarely gets one shot kills, you're pretty much only getting two kills per reload. Plus, dual wielding for more shots just makes the hip-fire accuracy go down.
"Stop resisting" more like "Stop existing". Truly the only redeeming quality.
Interesting! I started LE in 1976, I DREAMED of being able to afford a Hi-Standard 10B. We were a small agency and I have searched MANY large building by myself before my retirement in 2012. I BOUGHT my own 10B and still have it. It might not be the perfect shotgun, but yours CERTAINLY had some abuse issues. The shotguns ability to be used one handed while holding a flashlight in the off hand or a handheld radio, and it's maneuverability in CLOSE hallways and doors made it VERY special to me, since my closest back-up was probably 20 minutes away. Of course my experiences were in the dark ages and while I certainly respects both your and Donuts opinions, I deffer GREATLY in my view of the 10B
i feel like most of the reason he hates it is because he dislikes bullpups
It's the competitive shooting mindset, you used it expecting to have to pull off some snap shooting in a sudden encounter.
These gun nerds are about all the angles and shooting hundreds of round they would put through it practicing gun fu.. because a shotgun is some precision tactical weapon whose usage hasn't changed since the days of the blunderbuss...
It’s still a dog shit weapon system
@@seamusesparza1943speak English
The greatest clash is this shotgun's aesthetic versus Brandon's chad face.
Yes
It's a bit sad that you guys didn't use the spinning stock for it's intended purpose of shooting with it braced against the bicep for hip shooting. Ian and Admin both talked about it in their videos, but Ian's shotgun was unreliable and Admin didn't shoot it that way. It's just one of those hilariously weird things you'd see in the 80s before everyone figured out the optimal way to shoot.
Wasn't it developed in the late '50s?
he did at 6:28
@@judsongaiden9878 apparently producton in 1967? You're not far off though which I find hilarious, it does seem like one of those things you'd see from the early 1940s to 1950s.
Pretty sure people figured out that you are supposed to put the gun to your shoulder before the 80s. The 1680s, maybe.
@@WJS774 Well "shouldering" it against your bicep allows you to fire it one-handed like Rambo. :-P
Part of the concept is that it's size, configuration (and custom sling) made it carriable/concealable under a detective's trench coat. It was likely inspired by the the "SURPRISE, You're Under ARREST!!!" trope from Movies and TV of its era. But outside of TV, police don't have much need for a concealable shotgun.
"I've got a career when this UA-cam thing's over." - Brandon Herrera, nominee for ATF director
Cody is one of those guys who collaborates with just about anyone. He can go from playing Ready Or Not with General Sam to shooting a garbage shotgun with Brandon or any other number of gun channels.
He always seems awkward when he collabs with anyone.
@@WeWantAShrubbery nah its relatable lol
I love that ending. Now we need a demolition episode where Matt finds a random shotgun.
6:59 "Not only did the stop resisting, they stop existing" was the line I thought of, and yes I am rather proud of that.
"It's typically pretty positive, but I'm white." I woke up the whole house laughing 😂
IIRC from one of Ian's videos probably, the rotating buttplate was intended to be used to be braced against your bicep, around the outside of a riot shield, much like the spas-12's stock. But rather than hooking on the back of your elbow like the spas, it braced against the inside of your arm. It didn't need to be "hooked" on because, as a bullpup, it naturally had a balance farther back and could be used in one-hand more comfortably. Or something like that.
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The spas 12 was hooked so it was hard to yank the thing out of your hands. So that’s another downside lo
I love that NJ went out of their way to be sure these were banned, boy did they take a bite out of crime with that one!
That was the problem they needed to solve... NJ is definitely not one of the worst most pointless states in the union.
Fastest I've clicked on one of your videos. I remember this shotgun from Call Of Duty: Black Ops. And, looking back, I laugh my ass off at the dual wield attachment for it in that game
For movie buffs with a little history, this shotgun was used by Christopher George in the 1980 vigilante thriller "The Exterminator" - that movie was actually banned in Australia (because it showed how to make exploding mercury bullets) although the uncut VHS was briefly available. I had an old ex-rental copy of that tape about a decade ago.
(You get to see a real gnarly decapitation Viet Cong style).
Gonna find the movie now. Thx
It was also in james caan "thief" in the climax. which is where i first saw this gun and wondered "what the hell is it?"
I remember seeing one of those at a gunshow back in the '80s. At the time I thought that it was a poorly put together bullpup kit and was annoyed that someone would ruin a perfectly good shotgun by doing that. When the guy told me it was a police shotgun I thought he was talking some bullshit.
Those fudds sometimes aren't lying, rare as it is
I remember my father - who was born in 1909 - saw one of these in a store in the early 70s. I think it dumb-founded him more than anything I ever saw him experience. He was a 97 Winchester guy.
>luv me browning
>h8 the space gun
Simple as
Hold on. ‘97 Winchester? As in 1897? The pump action made by gun god John Moses Browning?
@@PsychopathicV2; Yea. With a hammer. Pops always said he liked a hammer gun. That way he could see if the damn thing was cocked or not.
@@TheWalterKurtz I don’t blame your old man on that one. I own one made in 1907. It’s a fine and an iconic weapon.
I remember hearing about that shotgun while working at the local PD. It was my undersatanding it was much smaller than that, and it was meant to be carried concealed. It was developed for the secret service. Actually, seeing it has ruined my once good impression.
7:00 not only did they stop resisting, they stopped existing at the same time!!
The hs10 is pretty rad. It's basically just a tried and true high standard semi auto sporting shotgun in a lightweight compact chassis. Gotta remember this was designed in the 60s when cops still carried revolvers and nobody outside of swat or paramilitary were tactical. From my readings it was fairly well reviewed and had a lot of interesting features. The other model had a built in maglight holder and Integrated carry handle. The purpose of the weird swivel stock was to be able to fire one handed, you turn the stock 90° so you can choke it up in the crease of your elbow, which would give the officer superior firepower while still offering a free hand. Love your videos but this one is a real disservice to it, forgotten weapons did a video on it a while back and went into good detail and history on it. I almost bought one in gun broker a while back and kinda regret not doing it, name another semi auto that's that compact and has a cool history, it would make a great home defense or camping shotgun.
Kentucky Ballistics did a video on this gun. The "propeller' brace was for turning sideways and you would brace it against your arm to hip fire
man, you could tell Donut REALLY didnt want to shoot it
felt like he didnt want to be there, he looks so akward
Retired LEO here. I relied on the 870. Every bad guy knows the sound of racking an 870…saved my bacon more than once!
I hope you didn't rely on the sound of racking your gun and kept it loaded. The bad guys if they really are a threat shouldn't be given the courtesy of such a warning but instead you being fully prepared to go from the start.
This shotgun must have been unique in it's time since it was designed in the 50's and produced from 1967-1977. The fact that the action is running as good as it is some 46-56 years later says something about it. I don't know what was available as far as bullpups went, bit I would imagine that this was one of the first. It is to bad that they did not improve on this to make it something worth while of having.
A friend had one back in the 70's. It was about the only bullpup at that time. May have been the only one commercially available. It looked cool back then.
I can see 3 ways right off the bat that could 'save' this. Replace the swivel stock with a proper buttpad, replace the sights with a carry handle style sight like the Famas, and round the edges of the feed tray so it doesn't 're-circumcise' your thumbs. Wouldn't make it good, but it would at least make it not completely awful to use.
I remember the Hs-10 was so much fun to dual wield back in BO1
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONES BREAKING IN
@@goldenfiberwheat238Just the storm, Dick. Sit down.
@@goldenfiberwheat238 It's just a storm Dick, sit down
@@goldenfiberwheat238CALM DOWN DICK IT'S JUST A STORM
I love how the gun literally has a "do not shoot from left shoulder" warning engraved into the gun, yet Treyarch decided to give logic the finger and let you dual wield two of these things in BO1. It's so dumb, but damn, it was fun.
As someone who is left handed, I can only imagine the pain of police officers who are also left handed having to fire this thing.
Because Left-handed shooters are the only people who despise bullpups more than anyone else.
I remember seeing something about these when I was a young patrolman. This was before all the "tactical" and "Tacticool" everything. From the perspective of someone issued a 20" rifle-sighted 870 with wooden furniture, the HS10 looked cool! From today's perspective, though, it's just a bump in the road to what got us GOOD tactical shotguns now. Kinda like in a mad scientist's lair, all the failed experiments floating in glass jars? Yeah. The HS10 is one of those. Valuable in the lessons learned about what NOT to do. And why DID they put that stupid buttplate on there? Wild.
The first time I saw one of these back in the late70s, I actually thought the "stock" was broken.😂
"Where's the suspect?"
"Everywhere sir"
I have the HS10 as well with the carry handle and a flashlight built in.
I have a different opinion of it. That one is apparently broken , my butt stock does NOT spin off and as long as it is clean and you follow the instruction of HIGH brass Magnum shells , function is fine. It brings substantial firepower in a small package and I am honestly rather fond of mine.
3:30 My father punished me severely
Anyone else looks forward to watching Brandon’s videos. Whenever he drops a new one. #LetsGoBrandon
Brandon drops . . . Hehehehe.
Must be cool to have a friend like Brandon... with all his licenses.
I'm a substitute teacher, my students for the day are currently in music class. Watching this in a Kindergarten class just feels so wrong...
"Just f*cking look at it!"
Do I have to? 🤢
I was actually just looking at one of these in a small gun shop a few weeks ago, the shop owner told me that it was meant mainly as a breaching tool and the little spinning piece was supposed to be optional for being placed into your bicep like hipfire... just what an old man told me and it seemed to make sense lol
The geezer was correct.
And if you used the biceps brace position to fire, you would need to skip biceps day at the gym until the bruises faded.
Solid design. The first casuality of the mission will be the breacher's arm.
@@yhormthemidgetin the event of using it as a breaching tool, the rounds they would've used most likely wouldn't have been full power buckshot.
@@Alex88302don't police typically wear some kind of armor or something too? Anything to soften the blow? I truly don't know.
@@BigWheel. Probably not back when this was in service, but for sure today they do.
Wahoo, Brandon, Donut, & I’m in the bathroom at work with a cup of coffee. How lucky can a guy get?
Multitasking 😉
Not at the same time dude that's disgusting, at least your getting paid 😂
Ian over at Forgotten Weapons said the butt plate was intended to turn horizontal and brace into your bicep to shoot 1 handed with a riot shield in the other hand. In this very specific use case scenario, it may actually be one of the better specialist riot guns.
"Just, f*ckin look at it." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you live rent free in my head bro i swear 💯🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree congressman, shotguns are based.
Based on what?
@@DED_MEEM based on, round variety, operation type, charateristics, magazine type ect
Love how the designers of this firearm confused ‘shotgun’ with ‘budget office chair from 1962’.
The designers really went the extra mile and made the stock double as a fidget spinner. Incredibly innovative for the time!
6:53 more like "STOP EXISTING!"
I believe this was initially designed by a police officer called Al Crouch in the 1950s! Going by the book "The Worlds Fighting Shotguns".It was supposed to overcome the problems of a long as then issued police riot gun,as Crouch saw them. Something handy to manoeuvre from inside a police cruiser and concealable for undercover when doing plain clothes work. Like many things, the idea was good, the translation into reality...Wasn't
Concealable? I mean it might be smaller then normal full length shot guns. But unless you go around explaining you're secretly Mandingo, I don't think you're going to hide that.
But yes, considering it was apparently meant to be fired one handed around a Riot Shield and is apparently from the 50's (when the Browning Auto 5 was considered the Cream of the Crop) it was a really REALLY clever design. It's just was put together by 5th graders.
When I read the title, I thought, "How bad can it be?" When you showed it on screen, I verbally said, "Oh, that is cursed."
The flashbacks to COD BO1 zombies....two of these, jugg, double tap, speed cola, quick revive on Kino...training stage...😭😭😭😭
With hardly any ammo in reserve in true bo1 fashion.
This shotgun looks like something you’d hand to the guy you don’t like in the friend group just to see what happened and laugh at him.
The fact that you have "Fuck the Police" playing when you guy's first start shooting the thing, just makes both of you even more of legends.
if you were the commissioner whom issued these… yeah that seems about right
One of them is.
Brandon and Nic uploading on the same day? All we need is a Donut upload and the trio is complete!
I just walked into the kitchen with my grandma cooking and on her iPad was your buy back video, she couldn’t stop praising you and enjoys watching your content regular. She’s 65 and is just getting into guns, she loves yours videos and I showed her donuts content and a lil of demo ranch and she’s is hooked on UA-cam now lmao.
I am surprised that this hasn't been seen on "Forgotten Weapons".
I am confident that "Fireplace Guy" owns at least one.
2:42 hey, at least you have a fidget spinner to play with when your gun gets inevitably jams
Man Brandon is gonna have a really hard time explaining all of these jokes in office
Ya know Brandon, I just wanted to say thanks for being the one that shoots these so we don’t have to. It takes a ton of work to make the videos and edit them, not to mention the cost of ammo, guns, etc. I see your effort, brother. I salute you.
Those Claws went from “stop resisting” to “stop existing” real fast.
Ian reviewed this thing a while back and had basically the opposite experience/opinion. He didn't seem to mind the form factor (the reason for the rotating pad is so that you can turn it sideways and brace the gun against your bicep for one-handed shooting around a riot shield or something), but his jammed on every shot.
But, he is left handed...
I trust Ian far more than these clowns.
Because Ian studies firearms while Brandon magdumps into trash.
@@sharpe671 is a full time gun tuber and the other is a UA-camr with mp and law enforcement with combat experience 🤷🏻id say their opinion is valid
@@Sxmpra_ 1 is an asshole who pretends to be a gun designer and runs for congress as a publicity stunt, the other enforces the tyrannical law of said congressman and is part of the problem, especially when you see them making jokes about police brutality, which is a real problem. opinions not valid, both = clowns. ian however is a gentleman and a scholar.
Brandon brought Cody on so he wouldn’t suffer alone. What are friends for.
A show with Donut Operator in it and a comment from Scott at Kentucky Ballistics? The dream team...
This shotgun was made for an extremely specific purpose from what I understand. Probably a purpose that was much better fulfilled by a pistol in most categories. But I can imagine the partial usefulness in a mob control kind of way. Probably without the riot shield it was said to be used in sync with but this in your non dominant hand, a good baton in the other, and plenty of padding and a angry mob would be in big trouble for a bit.
Pretty sure Ian from Forgotten Weapons did a video on this and said its garbage as well. Cool thoughts over beers, implemented very badly, and sold to police.
I like the idea of a bullpup shotgun, maybe it would work better with something downward ejecting like an Ithac- wait a damn minute…
Now I want a semi auto shotgun with a KSG layout
“I wouldn’t kill myself with this gun” best line
Brandon! It's good to see that you are still helping out your resident homeless man!
I have been aware of this shotgun for decades thanks to two sources: The excellent book "The Worlds Fighting Shotguns" by Thomas Swearingen (Which has an HS M10B embossed on its cover) and the movie by Michael Mann called "Thief" made in 1981, a great movie, cool firearm porn in the shape of the HS M10B used by, then Chicago PD detective, Dennis Farina, in his first screen role as as a mob enforcer and a Jim Hoag .45 longslide used by James Caan as the movies protagonist "Frank". If you have never seen this movie then do yourself a favour asap. The full movie is on UA-cam (link at the end)
According to Swearingen in his book, the shotgun was initially designed by Sgt Al Crouch of the Santa Monica PD in 1957 with the prototype built by him in 1959. He preferred the abilities of a shotgun to stop a fight over his service revolver but wanted a shotgun that was easier to conceal and also easier to use from a moving vehicle during a pursuit (I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it was his idea!) It would make for an interesting video though...just a thought.
The latter is the reason the buttstock rotates: The idea was that the shotgun could be braced along the forearm in the crook of the elbow and fired from a moving vehicle by either the driver or passenger with their arm out of the window.....his idea, not mine!
He maintained the added benefits would be concealability under a coat for undercover officers and use in confined spaces.
The SWAT team use theory was not a consideration in 1957 as SWAT teams were not a thing until the mid 1960's. However he marketed the M10A (with its built in over bore flashlight) and B models towards them in the late 60's and early 1970's.
The large flip up sight was intended for slug use.
If you want to see it in "action" then watch "Thief". The M10B appears at 1 hour 40minutes in and again during the climactic gunfight: Spoiler alert....in makes short work of Jim Belushi and nearly does for James Caan too.
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I remember this gun from cod7(bo1). Even they depicted it as a bad gun, and dual wield didn't improve it in the slightest either. Cod games have depicted some of their guns surprisingly accurately(the way they shoot(and handle in hs10's case) , i mean). Best example of this is dragunov across the series - it rewarded careful aim. Perhaps that be the reason I liked it so much (except bo1 version, that one was unusable even to me).
Bo1 was what came to mind when I saw this gun because I used it 1 time then never used it again
@@Sherfire1 Junk gun indeed.
Snipers in bo1 were janky because devs at the time hated quickscoping after mw2
Who the hell calls it cod 7 then puts its colloquially known name after
Cod MW3 is the 20th cod game if we're counting main releases... damn
Was reading a book about the early days of the witness protection orogram, and saw photos of federal sgents packing these.
3:42 When this gun was designed; God chose to look away.