I have purchased a Hadron3 size 20 and received it last week. I have also flown the Hadron3 size 22 extensively. I am surprised you did not mention how easy and very quickly the Hadron3 comes overhead, it does this so aggressively that you have to damp it like a paraglider, which is very positive in my view compared to the Nucleon XX. The Dudek web page, RE Hadron3, says "does not hang back" when ground handling, I can't help thinking they are referring to the Nucleon XX when they say "hang back" You also did not mention efficiency, having owned a Nucleon XX 22 and then flown the Hadron3, everytime I would aim to spot land I would overshoot massively, this can only be due to efficiency, soon as I flew my XX again landings were back to normal. I now have to adjust to this low sink rate when planning a spot landing on the Hadron3
With ‘overhead’ do you mean brakes above your head? If so yes I mentioned that a few times. Check again. Its called pitch control that started with the Run/Fly and then Solo. If you mean it will overshoot you when it comes up and disagree. I tried my best to get it to overshoot and it doesnt. It would be possible in strong wind and you ‘bump’ it hard to come up with force but that is hardly normal. Yes super efficient. Didnt mention it cause it wasnt a normal review focusing on such issues but you are 100 % right in efficiency for XC even at top speed. Low sink rate you can reduce when calculating to be within 5 kg of the max weight on the glider
@@therealeugenecussons overhead meaning that, from initiating the pull on the A risers, the wing then rises up and then arrives above my head(overhead). The Hadron behaves more like a paraglider when it arrives overhead and requires some damping like a paraglider, otherwise it will overshoot. The nucleon I found very lazy and when it arrived overhead it would easily sink back down again.
Great review and after flying my 20m Hadron 3 your comments and review is spot on! Thanks for taking the time to put this together! I need some of that snazzy Nirvana gear. Take care and be safe!
Shot Boet for your thoughts. Lovely way you addressed it as you see it whilst referring it to other gliders as well. I bought an Hxx and I'm very happy with it...even in nil wind. I already have the Nuc xx so sounds like the H3 is a newer, more efficient version. Dudek, unfortunately, seem to name new gliders after their predecessors yet they share little similarly. Nucleon --> Nuc xx.......Hxx --> H3. Seems the Hxx has been split into Driftair and H3. Glad I chose the Hxx as it seems the best of both worlds....well for me anyway. 😁
It was lovely. Only issue was the complexity of the risers and lines which made it hard for pilots to fly especially if they dont fly regularly. Hxx had one major issue and that was that it wont take off if not directly into the wind. I had the 20, 22, and 24. Accumulated 400hrs on them. Same issue over 2 Icarus races. This was improved by on the Warp. The Hxx is for sure something more in line with Warp. Flies nothing like the H3.
Great video Eugene, I'm currently changing my Dudek Solo for a Hadron3. I've got a DriftAir too as my playful wing, really keen to hear your thoughts on it.
Great step up as it has similar launch. I gave H3 to student in pull up training and he thought the H3 was easier training glider 😂. Obviously just for fun and under my supervision as H3 is definitely not a training glider. One of my students that has now done 3years of flying with Solo is also now waiting for H3
Very good video! One question. You say it inflates easy, flys on rails and has firm steering...but not recommended for anyone without 100+ hours. Why? (asking for a friend)
I have upgraded Nucleon xx 24 to Hadron3 20M its lighter wing so easier to take off trimers ar less busy i like that and is faster about 10 km/h from N.xx as advertised . Main difference i notice is that Brakes are heavier -trims full in on Hadron 3 feel like trims half out on Nucleon xx . Agility is similar to Nucleon xx but Hadron 3 feels more Efficient and more solid in turbulences very good gliding ratio, fast but soft landings easy to climb with trims fully open and full bar on my Polini Thor 130 . I have chosen mid weight range but now i think i could go for 18 m No Problem anyway im happy and i can recommend it this glider it feels safe compare to Warp. I have seen what small mistake on Warp can cause frontal collapse . Better stay on safe side i get there some day .... (:
Agreed on all points. Solid observations. I also noted that the weight range is extremely conservative and we end up buying a size larger but actually would be best flying a size smaller. Thats why we made a race calculator to give pilots a better idea of what is the right size to buy
Top video Eugene! Thank you, very valuable expert content! I flew a Hadron 3 20m Demo for 3 days at an AUW of 135-140kg in strong winds with excellent penetration on full bar but horrible fuel consumption. On long XCs i will also bring a fuel bladder. What would be your recommended wing loading for long range adventure XC with loads of gear and fuel (i.e. AUW around 155kg)? Would you go for a 22m or 24m size Hadron 3? Thank you!
Tx! Your question is a tough one. Its on the notch of the 22 max weight. If you are sure not to be over the 155 then the 22 will give you the best numbers in speed and consumption. However best way is getting on the scale to see. Personally I’m 134.5 on a 135kg glider and the performance is better than the one size bigger glider by a big margin on all the numbers.
Hi Eugene, has anyone retrofitted a Power Attack system onto the H3? -The H3 is really the glider for my style of flying …but I really want to play with the power attack feature. And can only have one wing. Thanks.
Sorry bud. I dont think its a good idea. The airfoil isnt made for it. I would say if you beed PA go Driftair. Otherwise order the Warp or the new glider coming from Dudek shortly which is XC orientated as well but more advanced
Thank you for the video you did on Hadron 3. You give us a lot of information. I am looking for to buy a new wing and this one interests me. I would probably go with a 16 meter per the Dudek spec said. But I have one concern about the Hadron 3 size 16. Is-it good for a pilot like me with a PTV of 81 kg? Or this small size is built for competition with heavier pilot? Do you know someone who is about my weight, 51 kg and who flies with a 16 m? If so, what are his impressions? And if you don’t know someone of this weight, what kind of pilot fly with Hadron 3 16m? I am not looking for a competition wing. I prefer cross-country.
Tx for the comment. If anything I would say that the H3 16 is too big for you so please dont worry about the size. H3 even in small size is not like the S3 14 competition wing. You would be perfectly happy with a 16. The max on the 16 is 115 and if your normal all up weight is 81 you are just just making the minimum weight on it. I would say you can afford to fly with more fuel or go with heavier motor to get more wingload for comfort
I would also encourage you to think of rather buying the Driftair 15. The wingload would be beter and the Driftair is actually a nice XC wing although not as good as the H3. The reason why I recommend that is that you would have a better wingload and that would in turn increase comfort in rough air conditions. The Drift is a very easy glider for takeoff but I would say try to look at it when you get to 150 flight hours as the response times for directional input, safety, might require more experience. The H3 not so much
Thats a factory test result but let me answer it in my experience and what we found on the race calculator. If I had a gap of more than 10kgs to max weight I was dramatically slower and less efficient than when being aub 5kgs to max weight. My average cruise trims only is 37kts using no speedbar. If you have a speedbar manual extender - something you put in the place of the speedbar that activates the full length of the speed system with a manual buckle hand pull system - then you can reach the 50 plus kts that those numbers reflect. No point to use it that way as its super inefficient beyond 37kts but still, 37 kts is a milestone for cruising from my experience
First I had an Apco Thrust3 for 200 hrs. Then I had a Universal 28 m2 for 170 hrs after that changed to Report'Air 28m2. Weight is 140 kgs. The Report'Air is definitely more agile and way more "effective" (keeps level flight with lower motor rpm). The Uni had higher top speed but at trims out it was exceptionally ineffective (=sinking lile a stone). Now I've flown the ReportAir 110 hrs and thinking of upgrading to H3 next yr. Is the largest 24m2 to go for? Seems a bit weird that 24 is the max size, surely because it has to be small to be that fast...? Is there any major difference between the Rep and the H3 that I should be aware of?
Hey bud. Sounds about right. Smaller is leas drag but the design allows for more lift. I think with your experience level you would most definitely enjoy now moving from Report to H3. Same stability but more agility, easier launch and more speed
@@therealeugenecussons thx for the advice. I think the Rep is easiest to launch of the 3 (Apco Thrust, Uni & Rep). What I am concerned though about the H3 is the take-off run (often in nil wind conditions) - being just 24 m2 am I supposedly run faster than with the Rep 28m2 I guess...? And then the efficiency, does a H3 24m2 need more power to maintain level than Rep 28m2?
@@gyongyossypeter4485 yes. Got the pitch control. Wint overshoot pilot. Doesn’t need a hard riser forward like the warp with closed trim. No ground roll that I could pickup on. It will handle the weight much better than the others
...but H3 is not toned down Hxx. If anything the Hxx got a serious upgrade to become the Warp. The problem is the name. With the H3 name it implies its a toned down Hxx but they are not related but for the fact that they are meant for XC
@@therealeugenecussons In my opinion Dudek should have pushed into a higher aspect ration design then the Hxx or the Warp, that would be the next evolutionary step to the Hxx.
I hear you. For me I look at performance. I raced the Hxx and its issues were in your face 1. Cant take off counter to wind direction 2. Oscillation when overloaded 3. Ground roll at max weight 4. Complex risers. All those issues were fixed with the Warp and we would be looking different at Warp if its name was Hxx2. Just my five cents.
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I have purchased a Hadron3 size 20 and received it last week.
I have also flown the Hadron3 size 22 extensively.
I am surprised you did not mention how easy and very quickly the Hadron3 comes overhead, it does this so aggressively that you have to damp it like a paraglider, which is very positive in my view compared to the Nucleon XX.
The Dudek web page, RE Hadron3, says "does not hang back" when ground handling, I can't help thinking they are referring to the Nucleon XX when they say "hang back"
You also did not mention efficiency, having owned a Nucleon XX 22 and then flown the Hadron3, everytime I would aim to spot land I would overshoot massively, this can only be due to efficiency, soon as I flew my XX again landings were back to normal. I now have to adjust to this low sink rate when planning a spot landing on the Hadron3
With ‘overhead’ do you mean brakes above your head? If so yes I mentioned that a few times. Check again. Its called pitch control that started with the Run/Fly and then Solo. If you mean it will overshoot you when it comes up and disagree. I tried my best to get it to overshoot and it doesnt. It would be possible in strong wind and you ‘bump’ it hard to come up with force but that is hardly normal. Yes super efficient. Didnt mention it cause it wasnt a normal review focusing on such issues but you are 100 % right in efficiency for XC even at top speed. Low sink rate you can reduce when calculating to be within 5 kg of the max weight on the glider
@@therealeugenecussons overhead meaning that, from initiating the pull on the A risers, the wing then rises up and then arrives above my head(overhead). The Hadron behaves more like a paraglider when it arrives overhead and requires some damping like a paraglider, otherwise it will overshoot. The nucleon I found very lazy and when it arrived overhead it would easily sink back down again.
@@pintail120 that’s interesting. I tested for that and could not get that result. Strange
Nicely summarised. The one to get after my Solo
Great review and after flying my 20m Hadron 3 your comments and review is spot on! Thanks for taking the time to put this together! I need some of that snazzy Nirvana gear. Take care and be safe!
Tx bud! Clothes are soooo snug
That is one sexy wing you flew there!!
😂 has your name on it hot shot
Very informative!
Shot Boet for your thoughts. Lovely way you addressed it as you see it whilst referring it to other gliders as well. I bought an Hxx and I'm very happy with it...even in nil wind. I already have the Nuc xx so sounds like the H3 is a newer, more efficient version.
Dudek, unfortunately, seem to name new gliders after their predecessors yet they share little similarly. Nucleon --> Nuc xx.......Hxx --> H3. Seems the Hxx has been split into Driftair and H3. Glad I chose the Hxx as it seems the best of both worlds....well for me anyway. 😁
It was lovely. Only issue was the complexity of the risers and lines which made it hard for pilots to fly especially if they dont fly regularly. Hxx had one major issue and that was that it wont take off if not directly into the wind. I had the 20, 22, and 24. Accumulated 400hrs on them. Same issue over 2 Icarus races. This was improved by on the Warp. The Hxx is for sure something more in line with Warp. Flies nothing like the H3.
I think it's such a unique wing.
Great video Eugene, I'm currently changing my Dudek Solo for a Hadron3. I've got a DriftAir too as my playful wing, really keen to hear your thoughts on it.
Great step up as it has similar launch. I gave H3 to student in pull up training and he thought the H3 was easier training glider 😂. Obviously just for fun and under my supervision as H3 is definitely not a training glider. One of my students that has now done 3years of flying with Solo is also now waiting for H3
Very good video! One question. You say it inflates easy, flys on rails and has firm steering...but not recommended for anyone without 100+ hours. Why? (asking for a friend)
I have upgraded Nucleon xx 24 to Hadron3 20M its lighter wing so easier to take off trimers ar less busy i like that and is faster about 10 km/h from N.xx as advertised . Main difference i notice is that Brakes are heavier -trims full in on Hadron 3 feel like trims half out on Nucleon xx . Agility is similar to Nucleon xx but Hadron 3 feels more Efficient and more solid in turbulences very good gliding ratio, fast but soft landings easy to climb with trims fully open and full bar on my Polini Thor 130 . I have chosen mid weight range but now i think i could go for 18 m No Problem anyway im happy and i can recommend it this glider it feels safe compare to Warp. I have seen what small mistake on Warp can cause frontal collapse . Better stay on safe side i get there some day .... (:
Agreed on all points. Solid observations. I also noted that the weight range is extremely conservative and we end up buying a size larger but actually would be best flying a size smaller. Thats why we made a race calculator to give pilots a better idea of what is the right size to buy
Don’t you ever age E? Great review
I dont have subscription to ageing 😂. You only as old as you feel they say
Have you flown the nucleon 4 ? How does the h3 compare to the n4 ?
It's THE xc wing.
I tend to agree with you chief!
Top video Eugene! Thank you, very valuable expert content! I flew a Hadron 3 20m Demo for 3 days at an AUW of 135-140kg in strong winds with excellent penetration on full bar but horrible fuel consumption. On long XCs i will also bring a fuel bladder. What would be your recommended wing loading for long range adventure XC with loads of gear and fuel (i.e. AUW around 155kg)? Would you go for a 22m or 24m size Hadron 3? Thank you!
Tx! Your question is a tough one. Its on the notch of the 22 max weight. If you are sure not to be over the 155 then the 22 will give you the best numbers in speed and consumption. However best way is getting on the scale to see. Personally I’m 134.5 on a 135kg glider and the performance is better than the one size bigger glider by a big margin on all the numbers.
@@therealeugenecussons thank you Eugene you are the best!
Hi Eugene, has anyone retrofitted a Power Attack system onto the H3?
-The H3 is really the glider for my style of flying …but I really want to play with the power attack feature. And can only have one wing.
Thanks.
Sorry bud. I dont think its a good idea. The airfoil isnt made for it. I would say if you beed PA go Driftair. Otherwise order the Warp or the new glider coming from Dudek shortly which is XC orientated as well but more advanced
Thank you for the video you did on Hadron 3. You give us a lot of information.
I am looking for to buy a new wing and this one interests me. I would probably go with a 16 meter per the Dudek spec said.
But I have one concern about the Hadron 3 size 16. Is-it good for a pilot like me with a PTV of 81 kg? Or this small size is built for competition with heavier pilot?
Do you know someone who is about my weight, 51 kg and who flies with a 16 m? If so, what are his impressions? And if you don’t know someone of this weight, what kind of pilot fly with Hadron 3 16m?
I am not looking for a competition wing. I prefer cross-country.
Tx for the comment. If anything I would say that the H3 16 is too big for you so please dont worry about the size. H3 even in small size is not like the S3 14 competition wing. You would be perfectly happy with a 16. The max on the 16 is 115 and if your normal all up weight is 81 you are just just making the minimum weight on it. I would say you can afford to fly with more fuel or go with heavier motor to get more wingload for comfort
I would also encourage you to think of rather buying the Driftair 15. The wingload would be beter and the Driftair is actually a nice XC wing although not as good as the H3. The reason why I recommend that is that you would have a better wingload and that would in turn increase comfort in rough air conditions. The Drift is a very easy glider for takeoff but I would say try to look at it when you get to 150 flight hours as the response times for directional input, safety, might require more experience. The H3 not so much
@@therealeugenecussons Thank you for your quick reply. I continue my reflection.
No way warp does 86. I might get close to 80 on my 15m.
Thats a factory test result but let me answer it in my experience and what we found on the race calculator. If I had a gap of more than 10kgs to max weight I was dramatically slower and less efficient than when being aub 5kgs to max weight. My average cruise trims only is 37kts using no speedbar. If you have a speedbar manual extender - something you put in the place of the speedbar that activates the full length of the speed system with a manual buckle hand pull system - then you can reach the 50 plus kts that those numbers reflect. No point to use it that way as its super inefficient beyond 37kts but still, 37 kts is a milestone for cruising from my experience
First I had an Apco Thrust3 for 200 hrs. Then I had a Universal 28 m2 for 170 hrs after that changed to Report'Air 28m2. Weight is 140 kgs. The Report'Air is definitely more agile and way more "effective" (keeps level flight with lower motor rpm). The Uni had higher top speed but at trims out it was exceptionally ineffective (=sinking lile a stone).
Now I've flown the ReportAir 110 hrs and thinking of upgrading to H3 next yr. Is the largest 24m2 to go for? Seems a bit weird that 24 is the max size, surely because it has to be small to be that fast...? Is there any major difference between the Rep and the H3 that I should be aware of?
Hey bud. Sounds about right. Smaller is leas drag but the design allows for more lift. I think with your experience level you would most definitely enjoy now moving from Report to H3. Same stability but more agility, easier launch and more speed
@@therealeugenecussons thx for the advice. I think the Rep is easiest to launch of the 3 (Apco Thrust, Uni & Rep). What I am concerned though about the H3 is the take-off run (often in nil wind conditions) - being just 24 m2 am I supposedly run faster than with the Rep 28m2 I guess...? And then the efficiency, does a H3 24m2 need more power to maintain level than Rep 28m2?
@@gyongyossypeter4485 yes. Got the pitch control. Wint overshoot pilot. Doesn’t need a hard riser forward like the warp with closed trim. No ground roll that I could pickup on. It will handle the weight much better than the others
I’m having a hard time with sizes… about 130kg fully fueled and loaded. Will the 20 be too small? What is this race calculator?
Race calculator says the 20 will fit you like a glove
@@therealeugenecussons Okay! Thank you.
I was disappointed that Dudek decided to tone down the HadronXX...
...but H3 is not toned down Hxx. If anything the Hxx got a serious upgrade to become the Warp. The problem is the name. With the H3 name it implies its a toned down Hxx but they are not related but for the fact that they are meant for XC
@@therealeugenecussons In my opinion Dudek should have pushed into a higher aspect ration design then the Hxx or the Warp, that would be the next evolutionary step to the Hxx.
I hear you. For me I look at performance. I raced the Hxx and its issues were in your face 1. Cant take off counter to wind direction 2. Oscillation when overloaded 3. Ground roll at max weight 4. Complex risers. All those issues were fixed with the Warp and we would be looking different at Warp if its name was Hxx2. Just my five cents.