Nice Mitch. Finally watched the rest of this. Great insight into how a wing should be analyzed. We've come a long ways from where we were just 4 or 5 years ago, where people were reviewing wings with "whoa dude" and "Fricking Awesome". Or simply saying, "this wing is just better" Your delving into intended flying mission here, gives potential buyers the vocabulary they need to help them explain what type of flying they like the best. Doing so will help them match their wing purchase accordingly.
Another great review, I am a long ways off from needing a wing like that but it's nice to have a common sense review of this wing. Keep flying and having fun !!!!!
Very amazing piloting. I was taken from the moment of lift off. Especially loved the landing at 10:06 and 13:10 from differing angles. Great review video to be sure. You should be very proud of this production. Bravo.
That is great. Appreciate your description of the Hadron III compared to the DriftAir at 12:44 . Also makes sense when you describe Dudek's design and balance between stability and efficiency at 14:18
Great review bud! Personally I’m telling clients this is a better option to consider then the Nucleon XX. Keep in mind that Apco is touting the F1 to be the competitor to Warp for XC, now because its not as fast its moving to compete with the H3. I think guys passing intermediate level and looking to upgrade after 150 hrs should skip the Nuc and go H3. At 300 hrs they should consider Warp which remains the undisputed King....
Thanks for helping to break in my new wing. I hope to fly it at least 1/2 as well as you did. That was a nice review...and your review helped to give me more confidence in it.
Nice 1st impressions mitch, I've got to fly the H3 a few times now as well and while I'm an amateur, its an awesome wing, loved flying it, the control, stability, speed, flare, really really nice. I hope I might end up owning one in the future.
My daily driver (MacPara Colorado) has developed a flutter that transfers through to my brake hand when I'm holding minimal brake pressure. I didn't really notice it until I was watching video of flying it and saw my hand fluttering. I cleaned about a half bushel basket of trash out of the trailing edge, but it still does it. Going to take it in for an inspection after Thanksgiving. Meanwhile, I'll be considering a demo Samurai as a potential addition to the fleet. The Samurai uses a traditional PK system. The manual claims the PK is most effective in a much narrower range between neutral and full trims out, but either something is lost in translation or the description is intentionally vague.
What a sweet wing, and of course you are a great pilot. I haVe the sister ish in the BOSON and tho I am no Mitch G, I sure love it, launches are effortless and handling is very nice. I flew mine the other day in very turbulent conditions and trimmed in or out it was stable, Awesome vid Mitch Jerry
@Mitch G - you're always pushing the envelope with cutting-edge stuff. Awesome! Now how about getting one of these new lightweight 4-stroke engines I keep hearing about?
can the Dudek Hadron 4 do sats and barrel rolls? could the manufacturers easily put a power attack on the Hadron 3. and the speed bar. wasn't set up properly.so how can you test a wing with a speed bar not set correct. live and learn. the driftair I bought. i didn't like the height loss.and it does oscillate. i fly a viper 4. and I've had other wings. expert wings. reflex more of a arc.
I am 125kg all up. I was debating between the 20 and the 22m but now I think I want the 22. I know you are at high altitude vs me at 900asl but it preformed really well at that loading with you on it.
@@MitchG Is it okay to fly a smaller size on this wing, perhaps to improve speed & reduce vulnerability to turbulence? Or will that negate the other useful benefits of this wing?
I think I’ll have to get a Dudek for my next wing. I’m probably 60/40 freestyle/cruising. Tough decision. Probably going to go with the DriftAir since it has the PA system. I want to get better at using the bar.
I've been waiting for this one 🙂. I realise the wing wasn't your size and I'm curious to know how it cranks and banks doing SATs and wingovers compared to the Driftair. I understand the Driftair is the better wing for that purpose though. Similarly, I'm curious how you think the Dtiftair would be on XC compared to H3. I would think H3 would be more stable, slower roll rate maybe but more efficient? How do you think both would handle turbulence? I know you've touched on these questions in the clip but I'd love to hear a bit more, please. Thank you so much Mitch for doing these videos. I'm sure many pilots find them as informative as I do.
I think either wing can do anything that the other one can do. Both will do all the same acro moves and can both fly xc in the same conditions. The differences will be the hadron will require a little less input for xc and a little more input for acro. While the drift will be the opposite. H3 definitely wins in efficiency, Its only a 3 liner, higher aspect ratio, more plastic rods ect. Drift air wins for slalom with the power attack system. I need more time with the H3 in rough air but the drift is great in rough air.
Good reviews! But easier to use a simple windspeed gauge than gps, then you immediately see what speed you have without flying both directions and engine rpm meter to see efficiency at the different speeds :P
Is it okay to fly a smaller size on this wing, perhaps to improve speed & reduce vulnerability to turbulence? Or will that negate the other useful benefits of this wing?
Yes perfectly fine to fly it in smaller sizes. The only limitation is your ability to run fast enough to take off. I flew an 18m hadronxx and I weigh 150lbs
Really cool wing and nice impressions. I enjoy your ability to give initial comparisons with a variety of other wings on the market 👌 Did you ever fly the Gravity Xcend (free-flight EN A)? Trying to understand the characteristics I am experiencing with this wing. Thanks.
No I havent. Id love to though. Typically A wings when flown in the weight range are just so slow and trimmed so they always reopen after a collapse. However, if you overload them they can handle nice
The H3 converted the extra speed into more altitude than I expect. My drift air couldnt get that much altitude from that turn. The motor tilt was expected. For packing, motor heads dont do that 😉😆
Never flown one but being that its a copy of an EN rated A wing, its easy to tell it will be slow if flown in the proper weight range but safe for learning. There are way to many better options for a ppg glider for the dominator to even be an option IMO
Hello Mitch I am French and I have been flying a paramotor since 1989. I love your videos but I don't understand English well. I've had a lot of Dudek Sails: Reaction 25, Plasma 22, Nucleon 25, Hadron 22, Snake 18, Hadron xx 18, Snake XX 15 and now Warp 16. You told me you preferred the Driftair 16 to the Warp 16 for comfort in flight despite a loss of speed What size Hadron 3 in vidéo ? I thank you good flight
Yeah or if the motor is off, and you are gliding in for landing, it's how much energy you have in the brakes to level off and slow down for landing. Letting trims out also gives more flare authority.
Hey Mitch. Thank you so much for this. So help me out with this. I currently fly and love a 22m Paramania GTR but I’m ready for something a bit more efficient to stay in the air longer. The GTR eats gas and I would love to do more cross countries, while keeping the agility of the GTR. Many have recommended this wing. What do you think? I’m 300lbs all up with full tank. Would love a bit more flare authority too as my knees are getting a bit older. Thanks.
I've flown a 22m gtx. So similar. A driftair or H3 would be more efficient than your gtr. The H3 has tons of flare and is at the top of its class for an xc wing. I recomend a 22m for all up of 300lbs. You wont be disappointed. The roll rate will be equal or faster than your gtr as well
Any idea why Dudek wants you to be a 100 hour pilot with something like 80 hours a year to fly the Hadron 3? I really enjoy XC flying and I'm going to upgrade prob next year from Spyder1 but I'm not sure to what yet. I really want fuel efficiency and the ability to be really solid and safe in bad air. I didn't hear you talk about it, but doesn't the Hadron 3 have an anti-torque line? Did you try it yet?
It's a very high aspect ratio wing so if you do make a mistake and stall it or spin it, it is not going to be forgiving. Spyder to a hadron is to large of a jump imo. Enjoy the progression of ppg. Dont upgrade until you feel like your current wing is holding you back. You will feel safer and have more fun on an intermediate wing vs being scared of the hadron with that big of a jump. The anti torque line isn't needed for modern ppg motors because our motors already have offset to counter torque. If your motor doesnt have offset arms then the torque line is useful.
@@MitchG Thanks Mitch! I'm not upgrading anytime soon, just realize XC is going to be my niche. It's what I enjoy most out of PPG. My Spyder sinks like a rock when you let off the throttle. Long term I'm going to be looking for something with more lift, speed, and stability for my next wing when I get around 200 hours.
Nice Mitch. Finally watched the rest of this. Great insight into how a wing should be analyzed. We've come a long ways from where we were just 4 or 5 years ago, where people were reviewing wings with "whoa dude" and "Fricking Awesome". Or simply saying, "this wing is just better" Your delving into intended flying mission here, gives potential buyers the vocabulary they need to help them explain what type of flying they like the best. Doing so will help them match their wing purchase accordingly.
Thank you. I try my best. If anything, I can provide a data point like at this wing loading and altitude, you can expect these speeds and handling.
Great review Mitch! Your tone and laughing definitely says it all! Sheer pleasure. Thanks for taking the time to review.
Great video! Can't wait for the F1 review!!
I'm so glad you've finally managed to get your hands on the H3. The giggle says it all.
It was like driving my first car again. Brought me back to my xx and reminded me why I loved it.
@@MitchG You can see why I had a silly grin when I flew mine. It was everything I wanted.
Another great review, I am a long ways off from needing a wing like that but it's nice to have a common sense review of this wing. Keep flying and having fun !!!!!
Very amazing piloting. I was taken from the moment of lift off. Especially loved the landing at 10:06 and 13:10 from differing angles. Great review video to be sure. You should be very proud of this production. Bravo.
That is great. Appreciate your description of the Hadron III compared to the DriftAir at 12:44 . Also makes sense when you describe Dudek's design and balance between stability and efficiency at 14:18
Always knowledgeable and honest. Always interested to here your opinion.
Thanks Lee
Awesome initial impressions Mitch. I'm digging your videos.
Great review bud! Personally I’m telling clients this is a better option to consider then the Nucleon XX. Keep in mind that Apco is touting the F1 to be the competitor to Warp for XC, now because its not as fast its moving to compete with the H3. I think guys passing intermediate level and looking to upgrade after 150 hrs should skip the Nuc and go H3. At 300 hrs they should consider Warp which remains the undisputed King....
Yeah if they have the maturity to respect it and fly it in the larger size it could be ok
@@MitchG Spot on. No overloading should be a given.
Thanks for helping to break in my new wing. I hope to fly it at least 1/2 as well as you did. That was a nice review...and your review helped to give me more confidence in it.
Full speed! Rock solid! Thanks for letting me fly it. I wanna fly it again so next time you have to take a trip just drop it off at my house 😉
Tom, You should just give it back to me. That small collapse would scare you out of the sport and you would soil your harness.
Awesome Mitch, What a beautiful wing!
I agree!
Nice 1st impressions mitch, I've got to fly the H3 a few times now as well and while I'm an amateur, its an awesome wing, loved flying it, the control, stability, speed, flare, really really nice. I hope I might end up owning one in the future.
My daily driver (MacPara Colorado) has developed a flutter that transfers through to my brake hand when I'm holding minimal brake pressure. I didn't really notice it until I was watching video of flying it and saw my hand fluttering. I cleaned about a half bushel basket of trash out of the trailing edge, but it still does it. Going to take it in for an inspection after Thanksgiving. Meanwhile, I'll be considering a demo Samurai as a potential addition to the fleet. The Samurai uses a traditional PK system. The manual claims the PK is most effective in a much narrower range between neutral and full trims out, but either something is lost in translation or the description is intentionally vague.
Interesting. I'll bet some lines are out of spec causing the flutter. I havent seen much about the samurai. Let us know what you think!
Brilliant review Mitch, nailed it!
That's a fun and excellent review! Thanks!
What a sweet wing, and of course you are a great pilot. I haVe the sister ish in the BOSON and tho I am no Mitch G, I sure love it, launches are effortless and handling is very nice. I flew mine the other day in very turbulent conditions and trimmed in or out it was stable, Awesome vid Mitch Jerry
Thanks Jerry!
Great review! Above my skill level but very cool to hear your message.
Merci beaucoup l'Ami !
Ye, but DriftAir has that additional rods in between 🤔
Nice first impressions, covered a lot of ground in a short enough video 👍
Good review............H3 for my kind of flying! Still yanks and banks with the best of them!
Sure does!
@Mitch G - you're always pushing the envelope with cutting-edge stuff. Awesome! Now how about getting one of these new lightweight 4-stroke engines I keep hearing about?
Thanks! I havent done any research on them. I need to check it out!
Mitch yer my hero
can the Dudek Hadron 4 do sats and barrel rolls? could the manufacturers easily put a power attack on the Hadron 3. and the speed bar. wasn't set up properly.so how can you test a wing with a speed bar not set correct. live and learn. the driftair I bought. i didn't like the height loss.and it does oscillate. i fly a viper 4. and I've had other wings. expert wings. reflex more of a arc.
Man I’ve got to come to El Paso and fly with guys
Always welcome
I am 125kg all up. I was debating between the 20 and the 22m but now I think I want the 22. I know you are at high altitude vs me at 900asl but it preformed really well at that loading with you on it.
If it's your first advanced wing then I think you will be happy with the 22. You can always downsize later and your progression will be safer
@@MitchG Is it okay to fly a smaller size on this wing, perhaps to improve speed & reduce vulnerability to turbulence? Or will that negate the other useful benefits of this wing?
I think I’ll have to get a Dudek for my next wing. I’m probably 60/40 freestyle/cruising. Tough decision. Probably going to go with the DriftAir since it has the PA system. I want to get better at using the bar.
yeah if you do more freestyle than xc I vote drift air.
I've been waiting for this one 🙂. I realise the wing wasn't your size and I'm curious to know how it cranks and banks doing SATs and wingovers compared to the Driftair. I understand the Driftair is the better wing for that purpose though.
Similarly, I'm curious how you think the Dtiftair would be on XC compared to H3. I would think H3 would be more stable, slower roll rate maybe but more efficient? How do you think both would handle turbulence? I know you've touched on these questions in the clip but I'd love to hear a bit more, please.
Thank you so much Mitch for doing these videos. I'm sure many pilots find them as informative as I do.
I think either wing can do anything that the other one can do. Both will do all the same acro moves and can both fly xc in the same conditions. The differences will be the hadron will require a little less input for xc and a little more input for acro. While the drift will be the opposite. H3 definitely wins in efficiency, Its only a 3 liner, higher aspect ratio, more plastic rods ect. Drift air wins for slalom with the power attack system. I need more time with the H3 in rough air but the drift is great in rough air.
@@MitchG Thank you for replying and explaining this in more detail, Mitch.
Good reviews! But easier to use a simple windspeed gauge than gps, then you immediately see what speed you have without flying both directions and engine rpm meter to see efficiency at the different speeds :P
😁 you are right. I need to get one
Is it okay to fly a smaller size on this wing, perhaps to improve speed & reduce vulnerability to turbulence? Or will that negate the other useful benefits of this wing?
Yes perfectly fine to fly it in smaller sizes. The only limitation is your ability to run fast enough to take off. I flew an 18m hadronxx and I weigh 150lbs
Really cool wing and nice impressions. I enjoy your ability to give initial comparisons with a variety of other wings on the market 👌
Did you ever fly the Gravity Xcend (free-flight EN A)? Trying to understand the characteristics I am experiencing with this wing.
Thanks.
No I havent. Id love to though. Typically A wings when flown in the weight range are just so slow and trimmed so they always reopen after a collapse. However, if you overload them they can handle nice
Were you expecting that much pitch back at 3:40 when you cut power?
Rods the length of the cord are good for performance but a pain for packing.
The H3 converted the extra speed into more altitude than I expect. My drift air couldnt get that much altitude from that turn. The motor tilt was expected.
For packing, motor heads dont do that 😉😆
Great review! Any chance that you could check Dudek Solo out?
Thanks. Yes, I'll be testing the solo. Hopefully sooner than later
Ever flown a dominator? Thoughts? On the wing only not the person who endorses it lol.
Never flown one but being that its a copy of an EN rated A wing, its easy to tell it will be slow if flown in the proper weight range but safe for learning. There are way to many better options for a ppg glider for the dominator to even be an option IMO
Great video!
What watch is that? Garmin? Does it tell you your altitude also and track you?
Yes and more. Garmin fenix 3
Hello Mitch
I am French and I have been flying a paramotor since 1989.
I love your videos but I don't understand English well.
I've had a lot of Dudek Sails: Reaction 25, Plasma 22, Nucleon 25, Hadron 22, Snake 18, Hadron xx 18, Snake XX 15 and now Warp 16.
You told me you preferred the Driftair 16 to the Warp 16 for comfort in flight despite a loss of speed
What size Hadron 3 in vidéo ?
I thank you good flight
Thank you. This is a 22m hadron 3. It's a friends so not the best size for me but I enjoyed it
@@MitchG thank you very much Mitch, she is fast in size 22. good flight champion
Do you HAVE to concertina pack this wing? since it´s got rods all along the chord
No. The wing comes with a stuff sack that 99% of pilots use to store their gliders without issues.
Side question: Does the Gravity Defiant come with any kind of warranty on the plastic tank/frame?
I think it does. The gravity guys could answer that for sure but I bet if you had any issues they would take care of you.
You know where I could get some lessons around El Paso?
Join the el paso ppg Facebook group. I do lessons priced by the day and clint does lessons as well.
Can you explain "flare authority" a bit more? Is it the difference of lift you can generate at given throttle by pulling the brakes?
Yeah or if the motor is off, and you are gliding in for landing, it's how much energy you have in the brakes to level off and slow down for landing. Letting trims out also gives more flare authority.
@@MitchG Thank you!
Hey Mitch. Thank you so much for this. So help me out with this. I currently fly and love a 22m Paramania GTR but I’m ready for something a bit more efficient to stay in the air longer. The GTR eats gas and I would love to do more cross countries, while keeping the agility of the GTR. Many have recommended this wing. What do you think? I’m 300lbs all up with full tank. Would love a bit more flare authority too as my knees are getting a bit older. Thanks.
I've flown a 22m gtx. So similar. A driftair or H3 would be more efficient than your gtr. The H3 has tons of flare and is at the top of its class for an xc wing. I recomend a 22m for all up of 300lbs. You wont be disappointed. The roll rate will be equal or faster than your gtr as well
@@MitchG awesome. Thank you.
Alright i want you to throw around a speedster 3 now.
Send it
I fly an 18 Colorado. I wonder how this wing compares and wonder if it would be an upgrade or just a lateral move?
H3 is a step up from a colorado. I think you would enjoy it
Any idea why Dudek wants you to be a 100 hour pilot with something like 80 hours a year to fly the Hadron 3? I really enjoy XC flying and I'm going to upgrade prob next year from Spyder1 but I'm not sure to what yet. I really want fuel efficiency and the ability to be really solid and safe in bad air. I didn't hear you talk about it, but doesn't the Hadron 3 have an anti-torque line? Did you try it yet?
It's a very high aspect ratio wing so if you do make a mistake and stall it or spin it, it is not going to be forgiving. Spyder to a hadron is to large of a jump imo. Enjoy the progression of ppg. Dont upgrade until you feel like your current wing is holding you back. You will feel safer and have more fun on an intermediate wing vs being scared of the hadron with that big of a jump.
The anti torque line isn't needed for modern ppg motors because our motors already have offset to counter torque. If your motor doesnt have offset arms then the torque line is useful.
@@MitchG Thanks Mitch! I'm not upgrading anytime soon, just realize XC is going to be my niche. It's what I enjoy most out of PPG. My Spyder sinks like a rock when you let off the throttle. Long term I'm going to be looking for something with more lift, speed, and stability for my next wing when I get around 200 hours.
would this be a good step up from a Billy?
That's what I did! Went from a 22m Billy to an 18m hadronxx. The H3 is easier than the xx so should be a good transition if you pick the correct size
@@MitchG thanks, i will be looking at this wing once i rack a few hundred hours on my billy!
a little curious how you test flare authority while giving it gas?
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@@MitchG never said you lied or sold wings for profit. Just going by what I saw in video and asked
@@craigson153 sorry. I pulled both brakes while level and took notice of how much altitude the wing climbed. Gliders with better flare climb higher
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Is this sport doable with a slight fear of highest/falling? Is that something I could overcome or is it stable enough to get used to?