Cameras should be allowed as well as open court room. Only way to know justice is done. The public does have a right to know what is going on in our communities and courthouse. Truth and transparency is the only way.
Yes, considering we are paying for the trial and all the lawyers and research and lunches and hotel rooms and expert witnesses....Yes, we deserve to know out money isn't being wastes more than it already has.
I would go a step further and that executions should be public too, even though I don't believe in it. It's easy to have executions when the public doesn't have to see them.
I don't trust a judge who doesn't want cameras in his courtroom, they should be comfortable with their own professionalism to let their work be seen by the public
By law of all attorneys agree on the submission of the affidavit fir no cameras the Judges usually will rule in their favor to ensure a fair trial! Nothing else is at play in this!!!! Duh uneducated idiots! It’s the law and defendants have rights since they are presumed innocent before a verdict! Duh 🙄
@@Leopardvixen369 It says 3 replies and I see only see two I think he was responding to somebody but anyway If the guy is guilty no cameras is better otherwise these kids will start making edits and clips of how cool he is and start idolizing him like Ted Bundy and the rest of well known murderers.
They constantly say they dont want people to speculate about the case. Without the cameras, speculation is going to run rampant. If they dont want us the public to speculate about the case then let us in and hear what the facts are.
There truly way more scared about the truth facts being exposed than any LEVEL of speculation.... For the judge to say No To cams....I'm sure it's more to protect the "state/LE and prosecution" because they make the states reputation on how things run out there... Imo, js, But I bet.
@@CaptZdq1This is not a TV show, this is a court case regarding the gruesome murders of four college kids. Just because you are enthralled by the drama of it all doesn't mean that the judicial process should be compromised for your viewing pleasure. You or me seeing this thing unfold live on TV does nothing to convict this man or get justice for these kids and their families. Allowing journalists into the courtroom is a must but in terms of televising this case, that only serves to drive up ratings and make money for corporate media and create entertainment out of a horrible tragedy.
@@stevenr8606 again, anyone who isn't there to attend in person doesn't NEED to see it. It literally does nothing but turn this tragedy into entertainment and that's just wrong. You are worried about the wrong things.
@@AcmeRocketBingo. I think they should be filmed. I also think live viewing isn't always respectful of the decedent or their family. That's just me though, my sibling was murdered and it would make me sick for it to be entertainment on TV.
First, Im so very sorry for your loss. Thats horrible!💝 Secondly, televising something doesn't automatically make it entertainment. There are so many Educational things to be garnered from these cases. Having live coverage also helps ensure a fair trial, with so many community members invested in what happens in their community, they deserve to know justice was served. And lastly, no one is forcing family and friends to view the trial or the news, or read comment left on social media. Those are choices that we have a right to, and they equally have a right to not engage.@@frenchfriedrat
Read Programmed to Kill by Dave McGowan. You’ll see that this isn’t the first of its kind, and in fact fits a strange yet little known pattern that has gone on around similar cases for awhile. I don’t agree with McGowan’s main thesis about why they do it (it’s a little out there), but the level of detail he includes is unrivaled. He covers specifically the issue around killers that have done similar crimes to this one experience strange legal proceedings such as the court closing off to the public, moving towns, etc etc. If you’re into this type of stuff, it’s seriously the best book I’ve ever read about the subject just due to how unique it is. He takes all the strange and weird elements to each case
@@mustlovedogs5569 They are protecting him. His right to a fair trial, and an impartial jury. Look around at all the podcasts, the rumor mills, the people involved. LE is holding the cards close. Fortunately. If a jury is swayed by rumors, misinformation, etc.. it could lead to a mistrial, hung jury, or the wrong verdict. Let's THINK first- before we accuse anyone of secrets. There are reasons.
@@bonash9761Some of these people don’t understand this. There’s really no sense in wasting your precious time trying to explain. They’ve made their minds up. It’s shady to them
what do we need to see in this trial thats going to hep us in a good way. nothing! its ridiculous. the families only need to be there. no thrill seekers.
Every trial should be broadcast somewhere. There's already so much shady 💩 that goes on, it would help to bring back some degree of trust in the court system.
They should. The trial should be public and televised, but until the trial there should be gag orders on everyone, including the families! That is the only way to get a fair trial on this country
Probably to avoid a mistrial from the massive media coverage. Don't forget that channels like this and other news channels want to make massive amounts of money off this tragedy. It will be up to prior rulings whether or not it's legal to exclude them.
Ridiculous!!! This judge has no idea what he's doing if he doesn't allow cameras- this is the first rodeo when it comes to public access! This is freedom of the press 101
It's just for this one hearing as it is about the Grand Jury which must be private. They can't show this one, it's secretive, but this doesn't mean cameras are gone for good.
The judges are more worried about a criminal than serving justice to victims. I hope they remember what they do when one of their family members are in need of justice.
Because like idiots above who say idiotic things that no cameras should be allowed! The mob public won’t allow a fair trial and these uneducated people can’t stop hating everything and being fake for attention! 😡
The victims deserve to have their stories heard! It's too late to pretend it didn't happen. Everyone that followed the story, sent in tips, looked for clues are all part of this story and helped make sure these 4 victims have justice and should be able to watch. We all know he's guilty, we want to make sure the state holds him accountable.
I heard that a person who goes by the nickname of "opinion8ed153" actually did this crime. Maybe we ought to do the ol' "innocent until proven guilty," thing, eh?
How many reporters are trusted today? I can't count the number of times reporters have given false information on cases as they are investigated, & how many times have reporters been instructed not to report certain things by the police "to guard an on-going investigation". There is no one policing the police.
They could be closing it to not jeopardize more lives if something comes out that the public shouldn’t know. This case is bigger than what you see in front of you. Check out some of the groups that the locals are talking in
So if they close the courtroom and not allow people inside as well as cameras does that mean the victims families don't get to go to the court proceeding?
It seems like closing courtrooms is definitely a thing in Idaho! What got into the judges there?? Haven't they read the Constitution? They need to be educated, and held accountable for this misapplication of the rules about what constitutes sufficient reason to close a courtroom trial to the public!
It's only the hearing that will be closed to the public. But not allowing cameras for the trial of a high-profile case, which is the way the judge is leaning, is completely unacceptable.
Let's keep in mind that it is the defense and prosecution that have both filed for no cameras. This hearing.... very secret. Is the defense bargaining?
They closed cameras on the grand jury indictment hearing they have not decided on the trial yet. I feel like a lot of people are confused on this thread
Yes. Important to remember this is not the actual trial. Too early to pass judgement on the Judge. Once information is made public via the court it can't be made private again. Sometimes the Judge needs to decide if something is relevant to the case before it is discussed in court.
As far as I've heard, she gave the details to the family. I assumed it was just the parents, but perhaps the sister was present. If you've ever lost anyone very close to you to violence, you'd want to know what happened. She gave the details before the gag order so I don't quite understand what was so out of line.
but cant the local public come into the court house? and cant reporters report on it independently? or even just an audio access without cameras? i get what he's saying, but in light of platforms like this which perpetuate trial coverage over and over i feel like i get where the parties are coming from. but also to extend the trial with an appellate issue pending would be a travesty. very curious about this outcome
It’s weird how this works, we the people own the courthouse but not the courtroom, the courtroom is up to the judge it’s his discretion to allow or not to allow, I couldn’t believe it myself but that’s how it’s always been. Stay well everyone! One more thing I believe they have the wrong man! BK isn’t the killer
@@dianenyc7697why do you think they have the wrong man? I genuinely curious. I’m not sure myself if he’s the murderer to be honest, but I’m curious to why you think he isn’t the man
Its not mysterious. The public becomes bored when there is no thrilling updates as we were waiting for the trial. Now that the trial is coming up, it will be back in the news. Its just like the school shooting incidents. There is outrage for a while and then the public moves onto something newer and more shocking
Thats boguss stop giving defense what they want. if he didnt kill them then who else did its been months now they would of had found more killers. Kohberger shouldnt be having special treatment cameras should be in court rooms.
Serial killers or sick people like him like to do this in order to show how much power they have and to put others mourning in distress to know that he is giving them a “show”. He probably is enjoying the attention. He is finally making a name for himself. His lawyer is probably giving a really good defense and boosting his ego.
The man left his knife sheath there. Stalked maddi on instagram. Returned to the crime scene the next day. Turned his phone off the whole night. And was leaving messages on forums about the case. He's as guilty as guilty gets. Why is the judge protecting him?
You are saying things as if it's a fact... A lot of what you claim are just rumors (like the stalking on fb) other things are not enough to charge for murder (transfer DNA). Even less render someone guilty without trial.
They are protecting themselves..local law enforcement bungled this..FBI wouldn't go near it..this smells..people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing
None of that is even necessary facts. Just hearsey. I believe the Internet is ruining people's ability to even decipher real from fake let alone have them be a jury of your peers. I am convinced that the entire judicial, political, and public is just trash at this point. We need a re-vamp immediately.
Kohberger is one of those MGTOW dudes ! This is angry man and female hatred syndrome. He can't wait to see that reaction of the jurors as they hear and see the grisly details. He gets off on the reactions and emotions. - Textbook sociopath -
I had assumed that portions of the hearing would be closed because the Grand Jury is a secret "closed" process as well, and portions of what they are arguing have to do with these already secret proceedings, so to me it did not seem like the outlier that it is being made out to be here.
This will be like the Lori Vallow trial. There were no video cameras allowed but the entire trial was audiotaped. It’s really not a big deal. It happens quite often
I wonder if his original intention was SA, and that it got thwarted when he realized two people were inside. Makes more sense than simply breaking in to kill 4 random people.
I just spent 2 weeks on the jury for a double murder. The press doesn’t need to be there. The public is only curious, not a true need to know. The families were tortured during the trial. I wouldn’t look down on them not being there. They don’t need to hear the terrible moment of their babies’ lives and see the naked broken bodies put out for the worth see.
I genuinely believe in the presumption of innocence, and as of right now, I do not think Kohberger is the killer. I have yet to see anything that can't be reasonably explained away. My money is still on the roommate DM. Can't wait to see how it all plays out.
The hearing in question is regarding the grand jury proceedings, specifically the grand jurors themselves. Grand jury proceedings are confidential and the grand jurors' right to privacy outweighs public interest.
We knew the cameras were not going to be at the next hearing because that hearing had to do with the grand jury information. At least that's what I had read before. The judge hadn't decided about letting cameras in for the trial or any other hearing after this one.
A Judge named "Judge." Now I've heard everything, except a reason for this trial NOT to be filmed. But no doubt the judge will explain if he decides to keep cameras out. And if he does, I will get a LOT more work done around my house than if I'm glued to UA-cam watching this.
Her parents need to zip it. They don't know where she went to sleep,just she was found with other victim. I kinda think she was in her iwn room,heard a commotion, and went into the room surprising the murderer. The dog being left in her room is significant to me
@@ekrip8 it's should be recorded for the record and for future review if needed (example, appeal). Judges, court employees, witnesses and anyone involved aren't actors, social media personalities , or working for your/our entertainment. Let them do their jobs, like you are entitled to, without being criticized by millions. The case is public, let journalist and the public into the courtroom. But there is no value to the justice process in making it daytime television.
@@AcmeRocket That makes sense as long as the public and journalists are allowed into the courtroom. But what is your opinion about the Alex Murdaugh case which had cameras (excluding the jury) in the courtroom? Do you feel that interfered with everyone doing their jobs ?
@@ekrip8 that's just one case and there are many ways to answer that. but, I'll say, the Clerk wrote a book, went on a press tour, and now then verdict is in doubt . so 🤷
@@AcmeRocket The clerk would have done that regardless of cameras being in the court during the trial and the appeal was not because of cameras being allowed in the courtroom.
that's just plain wrong they shouldn't get special privilege's many more criminals with similar actions have had their messes broadcast on live tv for everyone to watch. Wrong and disgusting on this courts part.
It wouldn't hurt anything to have a televised trial once the jury has been picked. I wonder if any of the witnesses are being protected bc that's the only good reason for the lack of communication in the case
The is not real need for cameras other than the perverted lust of a public who loves hearing gory details and watching people in extreme states of emotion. Perhaps the trial should be recorded for archival purposes and for appeals, but these cases don't need to turn into the world's next melodrama. Have respect for the victims, the defendant and the system
I really feel for all the parents and family but is it a good idea to keep speaking out before the trial you never know what the defence will use RIP to all 4 😢
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Cameras should be allowed as well as open court room. Only way to know justice is done. The public does have a right to know what is going on in our communities and courthouse. Truth and transparency is the only way.
Yes, considering we are paying for the trial and all the lawyers and research and lunches and hotel rooms and expert witnesses....Yes, we deserve to know out money isn't being wastes more than it already has.
That's what the press is for. It may be closed to cameras, but not to reporters or the public.
I would go a step further and that executions should be public too, even though I don't believe in it. It's easy to have executions when the public doesn't have to see them.
@@misterdinklyexactly
@WaitingOnAngels particularly since news outlets may not always report accurately
I don't trust a judge who doesn't want cameras in his courtroom, they should be comfortable with their own professionalism to let their work be seen by the public
By law of all attorneys agree on the submission of the affidavit fir no cameras the Judges usually will rule in their favor to ensure a fair trial! Nothing else is at play in this!!!! Duh uneducated idiots! It’s the law and defendants have rights since they are presumed innocent before a verdict! Duh 🙄
You are way off on your immature thinking!!!!! Way off! It’s all done by law!!!! Duh 🙄
@@Juke582what exactly are you replying to because your reply doesn’t make sense when viewing the original post.
@@Leopardvixen369 It says 3 replies and I see only see two I think he was responding to somebody but anyway If the guy is guilty no cameras is better otherwise these kids will start making edits and clips of how cool he is and start idolizing him like Ted Bundy and the rest of well known murderers.
It's the lawyers
They constantly say they dont want people to speculate about the case. Without the cameras, speculation is going to run rampant. If they dont want us the public to speculate about the case then let us in and hear what the facts are.
There truly way more scared about the truth facts being exposed than any LEVEL of speculation.... For the judge to say No To cams....I'm sure it's more to protect the "state/LE and prosecution" because they make the states reputation on how things run out there... Imo, js, But I bet.
100% !!!
The court is open to the public. Attend a hearing or trial.
Truth and transparency is the only way! Cameras would be nice but closing down this trial to the public is completely unacceptable.
It's only the hearing that would be closed to the public. But cameras should be allowed in the trial, no question about that.
@@CaptZdq1This is not a TV show, this is a court case regarding the gruesome murders of four college kids. Just because you are enthralled by the drama of it all doesn't mean that the judicial process should be compromised for your viewing pleasure. You or me seeing this thing unfold live on TV does nothing to convict this man or get justice for these kids and their families. Allowing journalists into the courtroom is a must but in terms of televising this case, that only serves to drive up ratings and make money for corporate media and create entertainment out of a horrible tragedy.
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@93CdUb you are missing the reason for cameras in the court room. 🙄 It's for those unable to be present‼️ NOT for DRAMA.😮
@@stevenr8606 again, anyone who isn't there to attend in person doesn't NEED to see it. It literally does nothing but turn this tragedy into entertainment and that's just wrong. You are worried about the wrong things.
If the families want cameras, let them have cameras!!! This is about the victims and their families. They should have the final say in all matters.
Not if it causes an unfair trial.
Would you like to see a trial on TV, then later appealed as an unfair trial?
@DebbieTomkoSUNSHINE how would cameras in the courtroom create an unfair trial? If anything it provides full transparency on both sides.
Cameras should be mandatory in all court cases.
I agree. Broadcasting it live to the public, should not be.
@@AcmeRocketBingo. I think they should be filmed. I also think live viewing isn't always respectful of the decedent or their family. That's just me though, my sibling was murdered and it would make me sick for it to be entertainment on TV.
@@frenchfriedratThe families want it to be televised
@@frenchfriedratI am sorry for your loss.
First, Im so very sorry for your loss. Thats horrible!💝 Secondly, televising something doesn't automatically make it entertainment. There are so many Educational things to be garnered from these cases. Having live coverage also helps ensure a fair trial, with so many community members invested in what happens in their community, they deserve to know justice was served. And lastly, no one is forcing family and friends to view the trial or the news, or read comment left on social media. Those are choices that we have a right to, and they equally have a right to not engage.@@frenchfriedrat
Courts are open to the public, we have a right to know. To me, it feels like they are hiding things.
same here. what are they hiding so much is sealed along with all the gag orders.
I beleive the courts are playing their cards the chest, as they still unravel more compelling evidence.
More secrecy in this case than any I've ever seen. Idaho should be ashamed.
Read Programmed to Kill by Dave McGowan. You’ll see that this isn’t the first of its kind, and in fact fits a strange yet little known pattern that has gone on around similar cases for awhile.
I don’t agree with McGowan’s main thesis about why they do it (it’s a little out there), but the level of detail he includes is unrivaled. He covers specifically the issue around killers that have done similar crimes to this one experience strange legal proceedings such as the court closing off to the public, moving towns, etc etc.
If you’re into this type of stuff, it’s seriously the best book I’ve ever read about the subject just due to how unique it is. He takes all the strange and weird elements to each case
Amen
It’s like they are protecting him but not the students
@@mustlovedogs5569 They are protecting him. His right to a fair trial, and an impartial jury. Look around at all the podcasts, the rumor mills, the people involved. LE is holding the cards close. Fortunately. If a jury is swayed by rumors, misinformation, etc.. it could lead to a mistrial, hung jury, or the wrong verdict.
Let's THINK first- before we accuse anyone of secrets. There are reasons.
@@bonash9761Some of these people don’t understand this. There’s really no sense in wasting your precious time trying to explain. They’ve made their minds up. It’s shady to them
I can't believe there will be no cameras allowed in the court room. The public have a right to know what is going on in our communities!!!!
Depends what hearing it is some hearing have to be provete
Then head on up to the courthouse and sit in on the trial lol … it doesn’t have to be televised
Tbf, he also has a right to a fair trial. Having a media circus doesn’t always allow fairness in public opinion
@@KC_50 yeah no chance of getting in that packed courtroom
We should start a petition
Disgraceful that cameras aren't allowed. The constant restriction of information to the public in this country is sickening.
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what do we need to see in this trial thats going to hep us in a good way. nothing! its ridiculous. the families only need to be there. no thrill seekers.
It hit me hard when I found out that Ethan Chapin was one of triplets. How awful. His brother and sister must feel like a part of them is missing.
Imagine how the parent must feel too!!
@@jennyterrell6354 Oh, definitely.
I thought that too. Feel so bad for all the siblings. And parents losing children is the worst. This case should be televised.
Body cams AND court cams should be required to hold our systems accountable.
And classroom cams.
Every trial should be broadcast somewhere. There's already so much shady 💩 that goes on, it would help to bring back some degree of trust in the court system.
It's a CLOSED hearing because grand jury matters are never open to the public. Nothing unusual.
@@joecooksey4331shh 🤫 don’t tell them, it will rob them of hours of spinning conspiracy theories
Santa's put you on his naughty list
🎯💯 EXACTLY
@@alygarden7879 it could very well jeopardize the ongoing investigation or popularize the killer also inspire copy cat killings
WTH is with Idaho courts shutting out the public to hearings and documents?!
They should. The trial should be public and televised, but until the trial there should be gag orders on everyone, including the families!
That is the only way to get a fair trial on this country
My thoughts exactly
Probably to avoid a mistrial from the massive media coverage. Don't forget that channels like this and other news channels want to make massive amounts of money off this tragedy. It will be up to prior rulings whether or not it's legal to exclude them.
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@@Afflictamine let's just pretend you didn't say that.
I spent sleepless weeks feeling scared because of what happened. I want to see justice being delivered.
You should not be watching videos like this if it causes you to have sleepless weeks. Like honestly, that sounds insanely unhealthy
@@ZippetyZoppetyZopshe probably lives near the crime scene. You are very judgemental.
@@ZippetyZoppetyZop they probably shouldn't watch any news 😂
@@ZippetyZoppetyZopmaybe they lived in the area?
Reporters and sketch artists are always in court rooms...
Ridiculous!!! This judge has no idea what he's doing if he doesn't allow cameras- this is the first rodeo when it comes to public access! This is freedom of the press 101
You literally have no idea what freedom of the press means.
Judge Fudge and Bill " worst haircut ever " Thompson are former Sigma Chi butt buddies...chomp on THAT awhile...
@@tonystevenson26ooof 😮
It's just for this one hearing as it is about the Grand Jury which must be private. They can't show this one, it's secretive, but this doesn't mean cameras are gone for good.
probably a corrupt judge
The judges are more worried about a criminal than serving justice to victims. I hope they remember what they do when one of their family members are in need of justice.
Yeah let's disregard the importance of an untainted jury pool. One foot before the other.
Please give the viewers some reasons why someone would want the courtroom closed to public viewing.
I believe there should be cameras.
Because like idiots above who say idiotic things that no cameras should be allowed! The mob public won’t allow a fair trial and these uneducated people can’t stop hating everything and being fake for attention! 😡
Thus case has been all over the media since it happened. Why do they not want to let the people hear whats happening. Thats ridiculous.
Those courtrooms belong to the PEOPLE!! Keep them open.
Rip to all four of them souls ❤
The victims deserve to have their stories heard! It's too late to pretend it didn't happen. Everyone that followed the story, sent in tips, looked for clues are all part of this story and helped make sure these 4 victims have justice and should be able to watch. We all know he's guilty, we want to make sure the state holds him accountable.
Well said!
I heard that a person who goes by the nickname of "opinion8ed153" actually did this crime. Maybe we ought to do the ol' "innocent until proven guilty," thing, eh?
You know he's guilty? Don't you people have innocent until proven guilty?
But how do you “know he’s guilty … ?” … was he convicted in a trial? I didn’t know that that had already happened?
why do you think he"s guilty. I've been following the case and see nothing except media spin such as your comment.
You don't have to have cameras only allow reporters in the court room
How many reporters are trusted today? I can't count the number of times reporters have given false information on cases as they are investigated, & how many times have reporters been instructed not to report certain things by the police "to guard an on-going investigation".
There is no one policing the police.
Absolutely need cameras for transparency.
Exactly what and why is the defense trying to hide and keep secret. This is very disturbing.
We could ask the same about the prosecution…why would they *support* this motion?
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@@LiLHarOakyea there’s a lot of questions! Seems to be more questions adding up
They could be closing it to not jeopardize more lives if something comes out that the public shouldn’t know. This case is bigger than what you see in front of you. Check out some of the groups that the locals are talking in
@@diva81833 band field bodycam
So if they close the courtroom and not allow people inside as well as cameras does that mean the victims families don't get to go to the court proceeding?
No, the victims families would have access regardless of whether or not the court is closed to the public
It seems like closing courtrooms is definitely a thing in Idaho! What got into the judges there?? Haven't they read the Constitution? They need to be educated, and held accountable for this misapplication of the rules about what constitutes sufficient reason to close a courtroom trial to the public!
It's only the hearing that will be closed to the public. But not allowing cameras for the trial of a high-profile case, which is the way the judge is leaning, is completely unacceptable.
@@CaptZdq1
but it MIGHT still happen? that the trial is not on cameras?
🎯💯 EXACTLY
Let's keep in mind that it is the defense and prosecution that have both filed for no cameras.
This hearing.... very secret. Is the defense bargaining?
Horror hides in the darkness, yet the truth is revealed in the light. We the people deserves to bare witness to the truth !
Remove the judge. Cameras are not negotiable.
They closed cameras on the grand jury indictment hearing they have not decided on the trial yet. I feel like a lot of people are confused on this thread
All grand juries are closed.
@kayty6673 yes. I'm referring to the upcoming motion to dismiss the indictment.
Yes. Important to remember this is not the actual trial. Too early to pass judgement on the Judge. Once information is made public via the court it can't be made private again. Sometimes the Judge needs to decide if something is relevant to the case before it is discussed in court.
I agree with the Gonzalez’s. There should be cameras. 💜💜💜💜
Cameras definitely need to be allowed in this trial. Truth and transparency is the only way.
Cameras are NEEDED!!!
Why do the prosecution and judge think otherwise?
The coroner was way out of line giving the 16-year-old sister those details of the murders. I’m surprised she didn’t lose her job for that.
She did not give the details to the '16 year old sister'.
@@petpilgrimgoose It was reported that she did. The sister called and asked.
As far as I've heard, she gave the details to the family. I assumed it was just the parents, but perhaps the sister was present. If you've ever lost anyone very close to you to violence, you'd want to know what happened. She gave the details before the gag order so I don't quite understand what was so out of line.
Actually, it was reported that the sister answered the phone, and Mabutt told her the gruesome details.
@@heavymetalrehab So unprofessional. But par for the course with this case. SMH 🤦♀️
If it isn't a statutory crime, it needs to be quick, public, and penalties need not be drawn out.
but cant the local public come into the court house? and cant reporters report on it independently? or even just an audio access without cameras? i get what he's saying, but in light of platforms like this which perpetuate trial coverage over and over i feel like i get where the parties are coming from. but also to extend the trial with an appellate issue pending would be a travesty. very curious about this outcome
Have you seen the size of that 'court house?' but of course anyone is welcome provided there is a seat available. 🐝
It’s weird how this works, we the people own the courthouse but not the courtroom, the courtroom is up to the judge it’s his discretion to allow or not to allow, I couldn’t believe it myself but that’s how it’s always been. Stay well everyone!
One more thing I believe they have the wrong man! BK isn’t the killer
The Court House should be open to anyone. I thought it was just no cameras. :)
@@dianenyc7697: ‘The people’ might own the courthouse but the tenants make the rules. If you’ve ever been a landlady you’ll know this.
@@dianenyc7697why do you think they have the wrong man? I genuinely curious. I’m not sure myself if he’s the murderer to be honest, but I’m curious to why you think he isn’t the man
I didn’t know any of the victims, but I’m very invested in this case. I want to see justice for those 4 angels and I’d like to know WHY.
I remember watching videos of those angels partying Lauder and police try to tune Dow their angels party !
It’s mysterious how this story is no longer in the media news.
Its not mysterious. The public becomes bored when there is no thrilling updates as we were waiting for the trial. Now that the trial is coming up, it will be back in the news. Its just like the school shooting incidents. There is outrage for a while and then the public moves onto something newer and more shocking
Thats boguss stop giving defense what they want.
if he didnt kill them then who else did its been months now they would of had found more killers.
Kohberger shouldnt be having special treatment cameras should be in court rooms.
They never tested the other male DNA found at the murder scene, why?
Serial killers or sick people like him like to do this in order to show how much power they have and to put others mourning in distress to know that he is giving them a “show”. He probably is enjoying the attention. He is finally making a name for himself. His lawyer is probably giving a really good defense and boosting his ego.
It’s not special treatment. Many courts in many jurisdictions do not allow cameras for a variety of reasons.
Coroner has been inconsistent from the start.
The man left his knife sheath there. Stalked maddi on instagram. Returned to the crime scene the next day. Turned his phone off the whole night. And was leaving messages on forums about the case. He's as guilty as guilty gets. Why is the judge protecting him?
just like they protect Chris Watts gf...
You are saying things as if it's a fact... A lot of what you claim are just rumors (like the stalking on fb) other things are not enough to charge for murder (transfer DNA). Even less render someone guilty without trial.
@j.artiste8596 this is why social media has absolutely ruined the right to a fair trial.
They are protecting themselves..local law enforcement bungled this..FBI wouldn't go near it..this smells..people who have nothing to hide, hide nothing
None of that is even necessary facts. Just hearsey. I believe the Internet is ruining people's ability to even decipher real from fake let alone have them be a jury of your peers. I am convinced that the entire judicial, political, and public is just trash at this point. We need a re-vamp immediately.
A new kind of evil was birthed the awful day this happened.
Don't we get access to documents and things later?
He is guilty and he is a narcissist. If he gets away with this, it’s terrifying
Kohberger is one of those MGTOW dudes ! This is angry man and female hatred syndrome. He can't wait to see that reaction of the jurors as they hear and see the grisly details. He gets off on the reactions and emotions. - Textbook sociopath -
He won’t. I promose
@@mandalee8148 Dude is 'Silence of the Lambs'
He is not getting away with anything. He believes he will as much as he believed he wouldn't get caught.
@WalpNacht Are you MGTOW?
I had assumed that portions of the hearing would be closed because the Grand Jury is a secret "closed" process as well, and portions of what they are arguing have to do with these already secret proceedings, so to me it did not seem like the outlier that it is being made out to be here.
This will be like the Lori Vallow trial. There were no video cameras allowed but the entire trial was audiotaped. It’s really not a big deal. It happens quite often
It should have been up to the parents.
He has to be the creepiest person on earth. He reeks of evilness.
@WalpNacht Sober Up lifetime loser and Incel
Camaras should be allowed transparency is very important and should never be a closed trial, the public needs to watch the trial.
They don’t want student to be afraid to come to their university and I think that’s why . To hide a terrible horrific crime
Bingo! They should really move this trial to another jurisdiction. To many people associated with the school. Multitude of Alumni as well.
This is too high profile to be closed off
I wonder if his original intention was SA, and that it got thwarted when he realized two people were inside. Makes more sense than simply breaking in to kill 4 random people.
His eyes are cold empty and evil
Give victims THEIR rights!!!! Cameras!!!! Yes
I just spent 2 weeks on the jury for a double murder. The press doesn’t need to be there. The public is only curious, not a true need to know. The families were tortured during the trial. I wouldn’t look down on them not being there. They don’t need to hear the terrible moment of their babies’ lives and see the naked broken bodies put out for the worth see.
I support cameras in the courtroom but feel filming the jury needs to be off limits
Filming the jury is ALWAYS off limits, so that's not even an issue.
THe TRUTH WILL STAND WHEN THE WORLD IS ON FIRE!!!
I hope the jury decides righteously. My opinion and intuition is that he did it😮
What if they arrested the wrong person?
I genuinely believe in the presumption of innocence, and as of right now, I do not think Kohberger is the killer.
I have yet to see anything that can't be reasonably explained away.
My money is still on the roommate DM. Can't wait to see how it all plays out.
Yet surviving roommate still heard nothing even tho we know one girl she did try to get away! No way it was quiet.
Why is Kohberger being approached like he is a victim? Is he a baby?
He is.
Why would they want to close the proceedings?
The hearing in question is regarding the grand jury proceedings, specifically the grand jurors themselves. Grand jury proceedings are confidential and the grand jurors' right to privacy outweighs public interest.
@@RubyRed77 so what once the jury is selected and the trial begins , it should be open to the media and public?
@@Rocdag This is the grand jury, i.e. the jury who indicted him on the charges in May, not the trial jury.
We knew the cameras were not going to be at the next hearing because that hearing had to do with the grand jury information. At least that's what I had read before. The judge hadn't decided about letting cameras in for the trial or any other hearing after this one.
Doesn't the courtroom belong to the USA citizens?
I thought our justice system was transparent??? Big lie!!
Of course. Let’s protect his rights and everyone else takes a back seat.
Is it going to be audio at least?
A Judge named "Judge." Now I've heard everything, except a reason for this trial NOT to be filmed. But no doubt the judge will explain if he decides to keep cameras out. And if he does, I will get a LOT more work done around my house than if I'm glued to UA-cam watching this.
It's a Phoney Baloney! a CIA staged hoax to sell, sell and make money.
The family should start a petition
Her parents need to zip it. They don't know where she went to sleep,just she was found with other victim. I kinda think she was in her iwn room,heard a commotion, and went into the room surprising the murderer.
The dog being left in her room is significant to me
I hope that the families gets their wish granted for cameras in the courtroom. 💯
There should be cameras and all proceedings recorded. It should not however be broadcast live to the public.
Why? If its going to be recorded and videod anyways?
@@ekrip8 it's should be recorded for the record and for future review if needed (example, appeal). Judges, court employees, witnesses and anyone involved aren't actors, social media personalities , or working for your/our entertainment. Let them do their jobs, like you are entitled to, without being criticized by millions. The case is public, let journalist and the public into the courtroom. But there is no value to the justice process in making it daytime television.
@@AcmeRocket That makes sense as long as the public and journalists are allowed into the courtroom. But what is your opinion about the Alex Murdaugh case which had cameras (excluding the jury) in the courtroom? Do you feel that interfered with everyone doing their jobs ?
@@ekrip8 that's just one case and there are many ways to answer that. but, I'll say, the Clerk wrote a book, went on a press tour, and now then verdict is in doubt . so 🤷
@@AcmeRocket The clerk would have done that regardless of cameras being in the court during the trial and the appeal was not because of cameras being allowed in the courtroom.
He’s a former student. He was kicked out before he was arrested for this crime. Even though he was a student at the time.
Right to a fair trial, which medias don’t always allow
That's why camera's should be in the courtroom.. It allows the evidence to be shown to prove if he's guilty or innocent.. It shows the public facts..
@@DD-dq1ed that should be up to the defendant and Judge to make that decision
Agreed...media often portrays a one side narrative, and seem too busy zooming in on the defendant's crotch, to do anything more...
Exactly! The public mon doesn’t allow a fair trial for sure!
@@blazinpyromaniacDefendant? It is solely up to the Judge.
There are plenty of cases not televised.
that's just plain wrong they shouldn't get special privilege's many more criminals with similar actions have had their messes broadcast on live tv for everyone to watch. Wrong and disgusting on this courts part.
Investigate the Judge
Ridiculous so far for a transparent trail
Yes, a clear trail. We wouldn’t want the trail to be opaque bc how would anyone get through?
There has been no trial yet! Y’all need to chill
@@darklorddisco Lol she can’t even spell trial
@@suburbantrapqueen I hope I never find myself on a transparent trail. Sounds…disorienting
@@darklorddisco 😂👏🏼
The fact that it's literally Judge Judge makes this case all the more interesting
This whole case stinks
where’s the interview that the clips were from in this?
Wait, his title is Judge and his last name is Judge? Wow.
Soul contracts are fun.
What gets me is why his lawyer wants no cameras if he is innocent you would think bye all means cameras for sure 😮😮😮😮
What has the judge to hide from the public not to allow video registration from the court proceedings?
Video “registration” ??
Do not hide this
So SAD
I understand not having cameras right now, but after they pick a jury, what does it hurt?
It wouldn't hurt anything to have a televised trial once the jury has been picked. I wonder if any of the witnesses are being protected bc that's the only good reason for the lack of communication in the case
The is not real need for cameras other than the perverted lust of a public who loves hearing gory details and watching people in extreme states of emotion. Perhaps the trial should be recorded for archival purposes and for appeals, but these cases don't need to turn into the world's next melodrama. Have respect for the victims, the defendant and the system
Public Opinion cannot be used to publicly convict someone.
Especially when the fbi has no murder weapon and only compelling circumstantial evidence.
@@mizzo8341 > I'm Waiting For You
@@mizzo8341 *WAITS*
I really feel for all the parents and family but is it a good idea to keep speaking out before the trial you never know what the defence will use RIP to all 4 😢
At least audio as in Lori Daybell case?
1:23 EYES😳
So much for transparency
Absolute monster
Innocent.
@@RollinTrollinTroll 🧌
@@RollinTrollin😂 👌 just driving around . Just stalking some houses at 4am and again at 912am
@@louniece1650Typical idiotic comment !!
Come on judge Judge
i thought he plead "no contest"?
He stood silent. So the judge enters the not guilty plea automatically
Why would he? He's not guilty.
@@RollinTrollin 😆 👌 . Nah. He's busted. Get the firing squad ready
is it closed completely ir jyst with no cameras? the courtroom should still be open
Those poor people