Nightmare Hornby B12 - Can it be saved or will it rust in a siding forever?
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- It's time to return another non-runner to service, this Hornby 4-6-0 B12 is showing no signs of life, can we return this apple green legend of the LNER to working order? Or will she prove a nightmare?
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This brought up some repressed memories of working on mine, especially about 15:55 in, I know that feeling so well! It genuinely felt like one failure after another and that nothing wanted to work. I simply gave up in the end and it's rotting in the spares box. An utterly attrocious design, very well done sticking with yours!
I’m sorry for bringing up such memories 😂
A very difficult loco to work on and I wouldn’t want to go near it again anytime soon. 😅 thanks, I almost wish I hadn’t even tried as she still runs fairly poorly. Appreciate you popping in.
Hylt
Just subbed to your channel Hilton, love these "fix it" videos.I know there has been a few problems with this B12 model. Great to watch mate.👍🇬🇧
Hello Peter, thanks so much for the sub 😊 I’m glad you enjoyed the video, I really enjoy fixing them up, I should have another fix video soon 😊
Appreciate the comment,
All the best, Hylt
What a challenge and well done for persevering with the B12. I would probably of given up on day 1 lol. These things are sent to challenge us for sure.
Hey Tony, thank you so much, it was genuinely a pretty awful experience, the LEAST fun I have had with a repair thus far!
Indeed, tested by the Model Train Gods daily! 😂
Brilliant job!
Thank you Paul, appreciate it and the comment 😊
A group noun for locomotives might be a SHED of locomotives.
Hi,
Yes you have it lots of patience needed so well done for sticking with this B12 and you are right a shocking design.
I did a railtour behind a B 1 Mayflower so she was the right color so see her in my video of it from about 2 years ago but all I can say on this is upward and onward.
Cheers Robert.
Hi Robert, good to see you again. Yes quite a frustrating process here 😅 still not running quite as well as I hoped 😂
That is magnificent, you must have had a jolly good time behind the Mayflower 😊
Thank you, hope you are doing well. Hylt
Hi, the motormount is missing a nylon wedge that slips between the motor and the motor mount. I bought the same model of loco second hand and the previous owner had lost the same part and replaced it with a piece of perspex.
It didn't run well but I did repair it succesfully and its actually very reliable now. Well done with yours.
Aha! 👀 thank you for the info Piers! I doubt I’ll be able to find that little nylon wedge unfortunately 😅 the bent brass does the job, though not super well. But that is good to know.
Thank you 😊
Well done getting the locomotive running. Shows what can be achieved with a little perseverance. You might be able to find another locomotive that can be a parts donor. It's a way I have used before especially when parts are hard to find. Enjoyed watching. Thanks for showing. Regards Paul.
Hello Paul, nice to see you again, yes indeed, if I’m able to find another B12 or something with the same motor set up I’ll definitely do that. Thank you for watching 😊
All the best,
Hylt
Yes, to restore an old machine might take some time, but you did a good job, especially if we take into consideration that you are not that experienced so far. I found it very fullfilling to see a self repaired machine running as smoothly as its design allows.
Worm gears are contraproductive to smooth slow motion operations because it brings more friction into the drivetrain. Even experienced model railroaders are surprised how smoothly an old ringfield motor with its wormless gear moves compared to a brandnew loco with worm gears to drive both of its bogies.
Well thank you Lars, I appreciate that, I did my best and still have much to learn here 😅
Yes I’ve found in my experience the ringfield is a very good little motor, and I’ve gathered a few spares so replacement parts should be a breeze fortunately. Do they still use them in modern locos?
@@Proper_Chuffed No, they don't, at least in Europe. On model railroading specialized media told the industry that ringfield motors are old fashioned today and that it would be better to make drivetrains with worm gears e.g. in locos with two bogies to get all wheelsets powered. In theory and reality this is true, but in reality each wheelset gets its own electric motor while models have to employ power consuming gears for the same purpose. So it seems to be currently rather a question of fashion than technology.
Meanwhile many of those "modern" loco models show an embarassing lack of force. E.g. a pacific of any kind should be able to tow more than eight coal waggons from the same manufacturer, I think, especially after the customer paid € 400 or more for it. But in steam loco models worm gears are often used to save space as in your model you repaired in this video. They need not to be bad, but the manufacturer has to make shure precision and lubrication.
well done hilton ... patience of a saint ... im not good at soldering well done at that ... im glad you got a result at the end ... looking forward to your next video ... on weathering are you going to use a airbrush ... cheers mark ...
Hi Mark, thank you very much for your comment, honestly not super happy with her running state, but we can't win all our battles. Yes I think an airbrush would be my first choice for weathering, I will hopefully start that process soon. Thanks again, Hylt
Like the "shunt' of locomotives, but as mentioned earlier, it is a fleet. Must I look for another B12 for you? Lol. Was indeed brand spanking new, Hornby had no interest in taking it back so it went to the scrapheap. And now resurrected by you! Another great video.
But a “shunt” just sounds more fun 😂 but understood, thanks Rinke. Oh no please I think I am quite done with B12s for now 😂😂😂
On to something different for the next one I think 🤔
Hornby has the benefit of literally decades of experience of how to design pick ups and motors properly, but still sometimes decide to go with a design out of the ‘stupid’ drawer. It’s beyond me.
I’ve done battle with a similar style of pick up, which I truly hated. Ended up wiring to the side of the contacts and circumventing the cr4p under the base keeper entirely. It’s just an extremely fragile solution, end to end.
There has to be something that’s kicking the front of the motor casing up slightly which is causing that amount of gap at the back. Very, very frustrating thing.
You’re braver than me having wired it straight up yourself Kelly! It’s a really awful design, I’m a big Hornby fan but this as you can see was the last loco I worked on and probably will be for a while yet! 😂 really had a tough time with it.
Thanks for watching again, Hylt
I think when talking about locos, the correct term is "fleet". Eg, "The LNER had a fleet of B12s".
Rake is used when referring to rolling stock: "The B12 was hauling a rake of Gresley teak coaches."
That makes sense, almost sounds a little too naval for my liking but I cannot ignore facts 😅 as much as I like ‘shunt’
Cheers Stephen, thanks for popping in again 😊
I have a b12, the motor is so long gone I'll just replace the chassis when I'm bothered 😅
Just throw it in the bin 🤭
Unfortunately I have one of those. I am trying to replace the pickups with whisker wires. One of the worst design I have come across in terms of pickups. I think this was built on an old Triang, chassis which would have worked pretty well. It would have had a simple wire pickup from one side and direct to chassis on the other, but when they changed it to fully insulated wheels, the problems started. An x04 motor fits the same space perfectly except none of the various motors worm gear connects properly without the Nylon wedge. Pity, nice looking model otherwise....
I must say, probably the most frustrating experience I’ve had so far. The mechanism for the pick ups is totally mindless 😏 glad I’m not the only one! Thanks for the info and for watching. Hylt
I have a Flying Scotsman with the "chuff chuff" sound, but that dates back to the 1970s, complete with XO3 motor. But yours is not as old as that. If I had more time today I'd pop the top off one of mine to compare it with yours.
The secret of loco maintenance and repair is to see it as a cathartic experience and never let if frustrate you (easier said than done!).
And let's face it, you got it running again: result!
Since I live in East Anglia I like B12s, as they were a common sight on London to Norwich services from the days if the Great Eastern Railway right through to BR times.
Useless fact: some of Holden's B12s outlasted Gresley's B17s that were built to replace them.
That’s really cool, the whole chuff chuff thing is very novel and I can imagine back then it was a mind blowing addition to model railroading, it’s very clever actually, such a simple idea.
Haha yes, I guess that is easier said than done, overall I enjoy the experience, but this design just seemed really daft 😅
That is so cool, what a wonderful connection to the locomotives. Have you seen the one in preservation?
Not a useless fact at all, a very cool one indeed, thanks Stephen 😊
@@Proper_Chuffed I've seen the preserved loco both at the North Norfolk Railway, which is just over an hour away from where I live, and the Great Central Railway, which was about 20 mins from where I used to live.
I believe it's currently undergoing an overhaul at the NNR, so is out of use.
B12 - along with B17s & B1s - were paired with shirt tenders so that they would fit on the GER's turntables. I believe some, if not most, of these were subsequently lengthened by the LNER.
It is such a great thing to know how much goes into preserving these giants in the UK, you are in the home of steam and I am very jealous 😊
That’s very cool, I did not know that, so would my one be the extended version?
@@Proper_ChuffedIt looks like the original tender. Even though the turntables were lengthened, I'm not sure many of the B12s were paired with longer tenders, especially during the war.
it will without any doubt be the old triang hornby unit
a rake is a specific term it is the term used for a number of the same wagons when coupled together to form a train
For me when i talk about my locomotvies as a whole i say A rake of locomotives, i know others do to but im sure theres a few different ways you could.
That makes sense to me 😅 I actually had no idea, I would have thought it would be a rake of coaches? Just a bit of fun regardless, but thanks for that 😊
@@Proper_Chuffed yes, most of the time it would be refering to coachs or wagons, i sitl luse the term to define my locomotives however. Good stuff though!
@@BeightonJunction makes sense 🙏 I didn’t know that so thanks for that ☺️
Fleet is the correct term, I think. Rake tends to apply to rolling stock (rakes of coaches & wagons).
@@stephendavies6949 oh yeah I forgot about fleet
it would be a fleet of locomotives
Noted 😅 although I’m awfully fond of “shunt”
Hello Harrison. By watching this loko I felt a lot of anger. If you are going to buy this one new you will spend a lot of money. And what will you get??? But congratulations to your repair. Regards Rainer
Hello Rainer,
Yes a very frustrating experience, but we got it running in the end, I hope to never have to deal with anything like it again 🤣
Regards,
Hylt
you get the old triang hornby loco with cheaper quality electrics and more fragile running gear and a more detailed body basically
@@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494 😂 that sounds like it could be even more of a nightmare then?
in many ways the old triang hornby model is better , certainly not one of the best chinese models since china got involved quality has gone down the toilet @@Proper_Chuffed
@@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494 that’s sad to hear honestly, I am still awfully fond of Hornby 🙃
shed of locomotives
Not fleet? 😂
Perseverance ,, I would have put it in the trashcan
😂 yes I very much considered it at one point. It is running, just pretty poorly in my opinion 😂
yep you are totally right it is an awful design , brought about by trying to save money by upgrading the old model instead of building a completely new one , i got the blue version in one of my ebay lot videos that had been stripped down and the owner couldn't put back together the contacts are a dreadful design why they had brass pick ups for the return side instead of the easier cheaper option of running it through the chassis is beyond me
I’m glad I’m justified in my feeling, this was a total nightmare to repair and even still, it’s not perfect. I think I have PTSD from trying to fix this 😂 what a shame, I hope the newer stuff is a little more solid 😅
Thanks for sharing in my pain 😂
Hi I’m trying to source a blue B12 tender. If your model is still a non runner I would be interested in acquiring it. If you have fully restored, I’m sorry to have troubled you. Regards, Tony
yeah it is fully restored now , good luck finding one@@tonyhill6296
@@tonyhill6296 Hi Tony, mine is green and sadly I think the shipping alone to get it to you might outweigh the need. 😅 also it’s slightly damaged. All the best 😊
Thanks for your quick reply. My loco runs well so I’ll be patient till a blue tender pops up! T🚂