Warner Bros is Trying to Create Lost Media... Again
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Are there any other pieces of nearly-lost media you can think of? I remember hearing that Toy Story 2 was almost deleted on accident and only one employee had a copy.
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I've seen people say that if a company doesn't release a piece of media and writes it off for a tax break, then it should automatically enter the public domain, as the copyright holders have forfeited their rights to generate revenue from it
This seems like knowledge companies wouldn’t want you to know if it’s true but I kinda doubt it I wish tho…
@Its_hoekin_time they're saying "should" as in "this is how people think it *should* work, but it doesn't"
It absolutely should.
Yeah I said that on Reddit and had a bunch of brain-dead morons freaking out at me like I killed their pet or something LOL
I think the moon should speak to us and rain down donuts but I don't think it's going to happen.
If another company does get the rights to Coyote V. Acme it could lead to a great marketing campaign. Could have the tagline, "The movie Warner didn't want you too see" or something along those lines.
Or maybe something like 'the movie too funny for Warner bros'
Would that be possible though, since they own the rights to Wild E Coyote
"Not even Warner wanted to deal with ACME."
The surprise twist is Disney picks it up and puts it on Disney+. 😂
That's sounds like a good marketing campaign
Very happy Coyote v. Acme has been saved. You know Warner Bros rectified a massive mistake if members of government says you f’d up by canceling a movie.
For another example of almost lost media, in February 2021, Disney announced the closure Blue Sky Studios and with it, cancelling their final film, an adaptation of ND Stevenson's webcomic Nimona, which had reportedly been "75% complete" and "would have been finished by October 2021"
However, thanks to the resilience and persistence of fans, in April 2022, Annapurna and DNEG announced it had acquired the film, with Netflix getting distribution rights and the film being released in June 2023.
In the plus side, at least it stopped us from getting any more Ice Age, Rio, and Ferdinand films. Just that Buck Wilde TV series getting crushed into a streaming service movie.
@@mightyfilmice age was good
@@Eminster 2 of the 5 Ice Ages were good. The company's best film was Peanuts, and the Schulz estate held their hands the entire time. Otherwise I'm sure a bunch of hip hop stars would have been the voices of Snoopy and a bunch of obnoxious bird sidekicks. Cuz that's the animation studio's problem. They wanted to have the next Donkey from Shrek and had so many wisecracking sidekicks in every movie, it was distracting. I mean, I like Sid, I like the robot Robin Williams played, but every freaking Ice Age they needed more and more wacky sidekicks with celebrity voice actors. Spies in Disguise and Nimona seemed like they would have turned a corner, but they'd go back to cash cow franchises soon enough, especially the lame and overrated Rio.
@@mightyfilm The Scrat Tales TV series (which was the last product from the studio) was good as well.
Who sane on earth today even cares what Disney s--ts out of their a-s. If anything I am glad they cancel stuff at least I don't need to see their stupid ads of shows that nobody watches other then bots and a small group of people ...
As i was watching this video i scrolled past an article about this where the CEO of Warner Discovery said it took "courage" to cancel all those completed movies
Yet they don’t have the courage to release them
Courage my foot.
Courage would have more courage than those buffoons
Zaslav speaks out his own ass.
So courageous of him to sit on his ass and withhold other people's hardwork so he can have more money 😒
We need to ensure Coyote VS ACME is a HIT, to make them think twice about Tax Write offs!
If I was pitching a show and had the choice between Warner and literally anyone else, I'd go with anyone else. Why would anyone want to work with Warner if they start consistently canceling finished products for tax write offs? They're having a hard enough time as is. They can't afford to have directors, writers, and actors avoid working with them.
Never pitch to Warner Bros.
It doesn't matter to the current CEO. He's just planning on selling the whole thing as soon as the law allows and cashing out. He has zero concerns that his short term thinking will hurt the studio's long term well being and reputation
As a creative person who struggles to finish projects I cannot imagine having an actual finished product in my hands and being informed, last minute, that it will never see the light of day. I know movie studio execs have no souls but I actually think that kind of decision takes them into the negative soul territory, it's actual full on evil.
Honestly, I think we need to come up for a term for media that isn't lost, as we know where it is, but is rather held by their owners under lock and key.
How about _locked_ media?
I've seen "Hoarded Media" commonly thrown around
"Hostage Media"
Withheld media
@@apslupthat would probably apply to specifically individuals “hoarding” media like lost Doctor Who episodes or game prototypes rather than media as a whole which has just been withheld from the public
Restricted Media?
Coyote V. Acme is such a wild concept (but a good one) and I'm glad that it will release eventually. The guys that worked on it deserve it to be released.
David Zaslav's the kind of guy to just delete the entire Warner Bros film and tv archive as a tax rideoff.
Makes me wonder... where was he when the UMG fire happened? Probably 'right around the corner' wasn't he.... carrying an empty gasoline can and a book of matches...
A guy that wants the company to actually make money. You know, so the employees don't become unemployed! Marvel and Disney are losing literally Billions of dollars making woke garbage like Batgirl.😮
12:45 UPDATE: Warner Bros Discovery is gonna delete the movie because they wanted between $75M to $80M for the movie and rejected all of the distributors. We are never gonna see this movie now.
With the Coyote living in Albuquerque and not having Saul Goodman being his attorney is a missed opportunity.
Probably some legal wrangling to make those characters work together but SEQUEL SEQUEL SEQUEL
A cameo by Bob Odenkirk as A lawyer is all I need
That picture in 7:24 wasn't from John and Josh Silverman, those are the Property Brothers lmao, nice video as always
Lol I had to look twice to make sure I wasn't seeing wrong.
I was going to say
Yeah I had the same confusion. If you Google John and Josh the Property Brothers come up in some images as they were said to be making a sitcom, so I am guessing they just don’t know who Property Brothers are at All Things Lost leading to the slip up 😂
An important part of how it’s anticompetitive is that the talent involved in the project are locked down and not available for other projects. Other studios and the marketplace at large are starved of those talent resources. In that way it’s like hoarding/cartel antitrust behaviors
A court drama with Wile E. Coyote should never be scrapped. In fact, whatever the end result will be it should be released. It might not be good but it 's a fresh idea.
i feel especially bad for all of the actors, animators, composers, editors, etc. that probably put in actual effort for nothing.
They Got Paid Atleast
@@ethanblair7351I mean, partially, but they were also promised royalties for years of work that they'll never get. It's not even like they knew that would happen, the movie's finished.
Fun fact: The crew released the Crew Cut online after the cancellation. It was taken down by Warner Bros, even though the movie was cancelled.
Warner Brothers is really tryna to make a lotta of "that's all folks" endings but I heard they're canceling those write offs.
This is such an old person observation - not a "rant", because I'm not angry by any means, but I've noticed recently that older people pronounce "Bros." as "brothers", since the little period indicates that it's not a word, it's an abbreviation. So old people say "Super Mario BROTHERS", "Super Smash BROTHERS", "Warner BROTHERS", etc. Younger people say Super Mario BROS, Warner BROS, etc. And I just feel like I'm on some "hello, fellow kids" if I say it the young way so I'm stuck 🤣
If it's an abbreviation, you typically say the full word. You probably also would say "mountain" instead of "mt" or "mister" instead of "mr". "Brothers" is only different because "bros" sounds pronounceable, but it technically should still be "brothers".
I'm (early, 2001) Gen Z. I give you permission to say Bros. instead of Brothers. 👍
@@meowmeowmeowmeowcatoncomputerthanks! 😂
The Batgirl movie... I can get why it would be caned concidering the chaotic state of the DC Movie Universe... however... That WB would cancel anything related to Scooby Doo is just Insane!
Warner bros is awful at preserving stuff
BBC is having a run for their money.
Ironically, it used to be one of the best in preservation of the big media companies back in the 2000s with the release of various classic Looney Tunes shorts released on DVD in their original uncut format with a disclaimer on the “racially offensive stereotyping” that were put into the cartoon shorts as they were originally released.
And yet they preserved Quest for Camelot on Game Boy Color and gave it to Nintendo for Nintendo Switch Online!
Why couldn't they give us Hydro Thunder instead?
The Will E Coyote movie is one of the only upcoming movies that sounds like something I'd rush to the theater for, and now it might not even go to theaters?? The movie industry is truly upside down right now
This one really pissed me off. They've been trying to get this movie off the ground since the FIRST Space Jam, only for WBD's new, completely inexperienced and unqualified new management to destroy almost 30 years of stops and starts. If Barbie didn't come out and make all the money, I'm sure WBD would have gone bankrupt and Comcast NBC Universal would have swooped in and bought it.
Funny enough Comcast NBC Universal are still apparently going to buy it anyway.
@@jturner2577 We're all so focused on Disney that we're forgetting that Universal Cabletown Fuddruckers is going to own the entire planet in a decade.
Coyote vs. Acme actually sounds like a movie I would want to see.
I hope the two other cancelled movies get leaked somehow. Mostly for archival purposes, and slightly so Warner has to give back the money they got from cancelling it
Same here.
Yeah I do too.
Documentaries.
the government is also looking into warner bros discovery for trying to get quick tax write-offs
They did nothing wrong.
@@JDoe-gf5ozZaslav shill.
Two reasons why Batman and Robin needs to be rethought by fans…
1) the lighting and cinematography is flat out incredible and if anyone wants to argue that let me know where to meet you so we can have an alley fight.
2) it’s the ONLY Batman movie that doesn’t waste its plot focusing solely on Bruce Wayne’s love life. I seriously don’t give a damn who Bruce Wayne is sleeping with I want Batman stories and nothing else to interfere with it and that was the only movie that didn’t care who Batman was fucking.
that has FUCK ALL to do with this but you do you
The Batman also didn’t focus on Bruce Wayne’s love life, Catwoman practically vanished for half the movie
Counterpoint: LEGO Batman
@@Oceanblue_Art_ Fuck. Touché.
@@mrcritical6751 true and to be honest, Catwoman is kind of the only Batman love interest I don’t mind seeing if only because she’s not a traditional damsel in distress for Batman to save, and actually gets in on the costumed adventuring too. Plus, they always get really good actresses to play Catwoman.
Coyote vs. ACME is about to have a rare case of double justice, getting the movie released AND getting the justice from all the faulty ACME products he’s received
Batgirl or Scoob wasn't anything I was going to watch anyway even if I had streaming stuff. I'd be pissed off for their fans just on the principal of it. However you don't mess with my boy Wile E Coyote.
i think that tax right offs above a certain monetary amount should be reviewed first, like a judge hears their reasoning and decides whether or not it warrants a right off. like say there was a friday the 13th film was in production at the time that the ownership lawsuit was brought forth, then i could see the shelving of that movie being a write off, or a partnership falling through before release, i could also see that, but fully finished movies just being erased for money is insane.
Why? It's a private business. They're not doing anything dodgy, and they're not taking people's money in exchange (well, not with how it's _meant_ to work, anyway). It's far less profitable to turn an almost-finished or completely finished film into a tax write-off, so they're doing it strategically, not because they hate the movie.
@@GareWorksdoesn’t make this okay. Secondly, what about the cartoons and shows purged off hbo max, many of which have no physical release and would be lost media aside from piracy? Is that totally cool, content that people are paying for, already exists and has BEEN released, made lost media intentionally as a tax write off. Its literally insane to do that
Sounds like if they can't find a distributor, I think a certain bay of pirates might be willing to get it at least seen by audiences.
I had not realized that any of those movies had been destroyed and or lost. I had been looking for to the acme coyote movie. Now I will be sure to see it in every available available format when it reaches the public.
with WBD canceling stuff, more questions is brought up seeing what they decided to keep. Like they got ride of the Scoob Special but released Velma. And with Batgirl, they decide to release The Flash staring Ezra "YA WANA FIGHT!" Miller and Aquaman 2 featuring Amber "You Got Hit" Heard, and other DC movies that ended up Flopping, don't get me wrong, I thought Shazam 2 and Blue Beetle was great, but can't deny they did underperform in the Box Office
Someone definitely from the team at least took a copy for themself.
If someone did, hope they Leak it.
Uhhh your photo of Johnathan and Joshua Silverman is actually a photo of Johnathan and Drew Scott (from the HGTV show "Property Brothers")
Warner Bros is also taking down their classic cartoons channels in 2024.
The Tooncast channel, a channel devoted to 40s-2010s cartoons is being shut down in 2024 in Latin America.
Most of those are censored already so who really cares. Welcome to the modern world you asked for.
@@JDoe-gf5oz they're not censored where I live, at least nobody Said they are
Damn shame, and I really wanted Tooncast to come to the US.
That coyote v acme article was absolutely hilarious
“How many time do we need to teach you this lesson old man?”
As a big fan of the character Barbara Gordon, I’m never going to get over this. I’m never going to forgive WB/Discovery.
I'm reminded of the Mel Brooks movie The Producers. Making an intentionally bad product to get more money then a good product.
David Zaslav is a terrible CEO.
Seriously, how come nobody has tried stopping him yet after all this destruction he's caused throughout his history of working in Hollywood?
@@ZeepTheWocky Because He's Rich. He can do whatever he wants with the Company.
This film has to be my third most wanted peace lost films. With Kingdom Of The Sun with second and Beebylon taking first
the only movie they need to not release is Aquaman 2.
Warner Bros is a terrible company
Batgirl looked like doo doo anyways
Support physical media!
lol wut?
I always do.
@@ng0249 what is possibly confusing?
Physical media terrifies zoomers. It's like the backrooms to them.
@@JDoe-gf5oz That's because they've been trained to react and not rationalize. I'm not much older than they are, but there is such a noticeable difference it's scary.
Contrary to popular belief, Jon & Josh Silberman are not the property bros.
I laughed so hard when I saw Drew and Jon's pictures on the screen.
WB is just begging for another writer’s strike to happen.
It's like I saw on a shirt:
When lost media is being created...
Warn a brother 😎
That should be a shirt, then anybody who is working with Warner Bros should wear one.
Great video. I gotta read that New Yorker article now
I predict that the "you can find a different distributor" is a tactic to still never release it. I figured WB will attempt charge anyone who wants the movie extremely high royalty fees for the ability to use any of the Looney Tunes characters in the movie, so much so that no one will 'want' the movie. Then they'll quietly write it off anyway claiming "see, no one else wanted it either".
I hope I'm wrong.
Here's my theory. Warner Bros Discovery gave Coyote V ACME a tax break to get money back after The Flash lost money when it bombed at the box office. A movie that shouldn't have came out.
And also for all those streaming fees that the writers and actors will be getting post strike. I mean, the initial announcement happened mere days after the actors strike ended. WB is in such financial ruin and yet what they tried to do with this movie is still a crime, considering that it's based on one of their oldest and most celebrated IPs. Hoping for a positive outcome of all this mess, would love to watch the movie.
@@KremBotopWB brought this financial ruin on itself.
I spent most of my media consumption hours on LawTube watching legal case analysis. I would have watched the shit out of this movie. Solid opening statements from the plaintiff.
7:18 - did you sneak in a pic of Property Brothers (or is it Property Bros) for no reason 😅
Hi Mike...not sure if u recently heard but there is a gamer UA-camr Mutahar channel: SomeOrdinaryGamers who discovered he had saved a GTA San Andreas game mod of the Terminator 2 movie. Since it is no longer available he has lost media and played it in his channel.. hoping that he preserves the game
The Scoob holiday haunt got erased? WTF?!!!!!!!!!
Do you think this may be used as a strategy by other companies as a publicity stunt? They could announce that a fully made movie will be cancelled for tax breaks and then after backlash creates buzz they reverse the decision and create a public that is ready to see the movie they fought for the survival of.
Warner bros keep adding to lost media
honestly that movie sounds hype and im not even a big looney tunes fan
.....those aren't the Sverman Brothers. Those are the Property brothers from HGTV series
Reminds me of the last Little House movie, where they blew up the town rather than let a land swindler have it.
Didn't this get leaked? (Storyboard version)
The Mystery Pups? Some of it did.
Too bad Coyote v.s ACME was cancelled again, maybe forever...
All these scooby doos getting canceled, but velma gets a new season
Yeah, Clearly they Have Favorites and it’s Velma.
From what I read, they simply cut the first season in half and called the second half "season 2".
Would it even be possible for another company to release Coyote V. Acme? Since Warner Bros owns the rights to Wile E Coyote
Rights to the movie not the character and merch
Well, I hate Zaslav. They’re deleting the movie on the 26th of this month. You’ve gotta cover this. Because the more I think about what has happened since this video was made, the angrier it makes me.
The movie theater industry took a big hit with the internet, followed by streaming services and games, followed by the Flu. Right now business is trying to figure out what they can get away with that the public will accept, so keeping something 'virgin' for later sale isn't the worst strategy although it also says something about your companies confidence in it's ability to deliver profit.
7:20 air, those are the Property Brothers.
Man, WB is a freakin' mess!
Oh hi there has been engrained into my brain now. I don’t think I can hear it without hearing mikes voice now. And honestly that is alright in my book.
Isn't this the same thing that Paramount did with Season 2 of Star Trek: Prodigy?
The most depressing part of the whole debacle for me was seeing a bunch of terminally online losers tow the company line and argue that Batgirl was too bad to be released despite never having watched it themselves, seemingly on the basis of it being “woke”
Clearly it *was* too bad to be released if the studio cancelled it and wrote it off.
@JDoe-gf5oz true but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to exist and be scrutinized regardless
That's the EXACT same sort of logic that got the Wily movie into the situation that it was in
@@roonkolos Why does it deserve to exist? It's not a living thing; it's something some suits at a studio decreed be created because they thought it would make them money.
@@JDoe-gf5ozBecause the people who worked on that movie WORKED on that movie. You wasted years as a, for example, VFX artist making a film only for them to cancel it and never come out. You not only are not paid as much as you should have been, but when you apply for a job somewhere (and let’s face it, none of these people will want to work with WBD if their projects keep getting shelved like this), suddenly you have a massive gap in your resume where you can’t just point at a film and say “hey, I worked on this if you want to check out my work.” In fact none of the work you made on that movie is yours, because it’s been locked away and taken from you. Actors, writers, editors, artists, etc. make up so much more of the movie than the greedy guy at the top greenlighting and funding the film.
You make something you are passionate about, doesn't matter what it is or if it's good. You spend multiple years of your life on it.
....then your boss says to destroy it as you finish it.
It's a shame but the reality is they're a business, so all the changes and write-offs when the merger happened makes sense. Time Warner didn't have a good business strategy, especially for DC, and so the cost-cutting is only logical. I'm sure if it was feasible, they'd have written off The Flash and Aquaman 2 too.
To be honest, as someone who enjoyed watching Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner growing up, I can't say a whole movie about them sounds that exciting. Maybe it would have been, I don't know.
do you think you can do a video on the lostpaper mario sticker star trailer (for context it was bassicially an entirely different game, with only 10 seconds of the trailer being known)
0:55 These didn't age well.
12:26
It’s pronounced Warner BROTHERS. It is written “Bros.”, but that has always been short for “brothers”.
Update on Coyote v. Acme, it’s about to be shelved and deleted permanently.
Wow... I never heard about this, which makes sense considering that I pay practically zero attention to the movie biz. I haven't seen a new movie in a theatre in years, and I never rent or stream.
But I am a HUGGGGE Looney Tunes fan, and whenever, however it comes out, I'll be all over Coyote v. ACME.
Someone should bring in Yosemite Sam to take care of those low down, no good, sidewinders!!
At least Uwe Boll's tax break scheme results in a movie being releaseed.
I will never see another WB movie ever again under this leadership and am committed to pirating the @#$* out of all of their stuff from here on out. This makes me so god damn mad that I want to punch someone. PS- And I say this as someone who has been purchasing movies since '92. I crunched the numbers a few months back. I could have legit purchased a BMW, new, for the amount I've spent on VHS, DVD, BR, 4K over the years....not including the countless theaters I've gone to.
Why did you show the property brothers for the Silbermans lol.
Bruh they really were gonna make a digimon reference in scoobydoo
The government should Not be giving tax right offs in this manner.
That’s one of the reasons of why I’m glad that the first three Mickey Mouse cartoons are now Public Domain.
I want to see this in a movie theater. With a few WB shorts.
It's so cruel to the people working so hard and so far on these almost finished movies. Releasing a godawful horrible unfinished movie prematurely is better than no movie at all as you will gain at least some profit from the box office.
Batgirl was only filmed; it still needed millions in post-production.
Coyote v acme deserved to fail for not casting Saul Goodman as the lawyer
That did come out and its at target.
The Government needs to investigate WB'S BS.
So waste money investigating a completely legal move by a major Hollywood studio?
I see you commenting a lot on how this is apparently legal. Actually, no, there's a high likelihood it isn't legal. Finished production cancellation is actually a recent thing, and rarely done. These movies have larger issues that can actually be justified (such as a finished Bill Cosby movie that was shelved for obvious reasons). Tax write off was never the real reason, it just happened to be one of results as it it is a legitimate loss. And most of these movies in the past, do end up with very limited releases.
WB brought too much attention to this by being the one to use Tax write off's as THE ONLY reason for these films. This sets a new precedent of legal issues that can be considered in the realm of fraud. There is substantial grounding for this.
Use some critical thinking skills, learn movie history, and don't be a braindead simp.
@@JDoe-gf5oz dude touch fucking grass and quit simping for a corporation
So happy this movie was possibly saved
Those are the "Property Brothers" you show at 7:23, not jon and josh silberman. Just so you know
I need to know how much Batgirl would suck
I'm glad the wild Coyote movie is still getting made sounds like a really interesting And cool idea And I really want to watch It.
Am i the only one wondering when the Property Brothers bacame screenwriters?
My brain is having problems processing this video because you sound JUST LIKE @Saberspark. To the point where I'm looking for evidence that this is a second Saberspark channel. I don't think you're him, but seriously, the voice and cadence is SO similar
Alan ituriel is a voice actor and creator.
They removed all that content, yet Velma still remains?
UPDATE: The movie is still not deleted thankfully. Right now its stuck in some kind of limbo and the whole script for the story was posted to Twitter.